VMS to WINDOWS approach ( set lang SQL - gen database...) ?

Wed, 9 Mar 2005 14:43:44 -0500

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I tried this on MPE and the only bad thing about it is if you have a column
that is re-defined, it only creates the higher level item.

Is there an option to get it to create columns for the lower level items?

Timothy J Cummings
Ridgewood Corporate Center
1000 Summit Drive, Suite 200
Milford, Ohio  45150
tim.cummings@frequencymarketing.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Boyle [mailto:atla38@dsl.pipex.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 2:33 PM
To: powerh-l@lists.sowder.com
Subject: RE: VMS to WINDOWS approach ( set lang SQL - gen database...) ?

I have been asked if this approach ( set lang SQL - gen database...) should
work on PH7 on VMS; I then remembered that BobD told the list that he tested
this and his words are pasted below -

Well, this doesn't happen every day. This is a new one on me as well.
I've tried it in 8.40D on OpenVMS and 8.41D on Windows. I'll make a bold
assumption that UNIX works like Windows. On OpenVMS, the file created is
named QSHOSQL.TXT. On UNIX and Windows the file is named qshogen.sql.
The general syntax is...

And if anyone cares, QSHOW on MPE/iX does the same, generating a file named
QSHOSQL. And yes, it generates a table for each dataset in an IMAGE
database.

Regards, Joe.

-----Original Message-----
From: powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com
[mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com] On Behalf Of Deskin, Bob
Sent: 09 March 2005 15:33
To: powerh-l@lists.sowder.com
Subject: RE: Anyone have Moved from VMS to WINDOWS?

Our recommendation when migrating from IMAGE/indexed to relational is to
use Axiant. However, there is an undocumented feature (no I don't know
why it's undocumented) of QSHOW that will let you generate a skeleton
SQL table definition.

In QSHOW:

SET LANG SQL
GENERATE DATABASE <indexed-file>

Yes, I know it's a FILE and not a DATABASE, but you have to fool QSHOW
into thinking it's dealing with relational.

On Windows, this create a file named qshogen.sql with the basic table
definition. If you generate all your files this way and put the results
together, and add the constraints and so on, you can come up with a
fairly complete database schema. It's not as good as Axiant but it's a
start.

Bob

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From: powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com
[mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com] On Behalf Of Ken Langendock
Sent: March 9, 2005 10:18 AM
To: powerh-l@lists.sowder.com
Subject: Re: Anyone have Moved from VMS to WINDOWS?

I know there have been many conversations flying back
and forth about how to convert from ISAM/KSAM/RMS to a database. And
unless I didn't see the actually "final" message. There wasn't a nice
way of doing this unless you are going Axiant.

Mom always told me to never touched the stuff.

When I converted from ISAM (or all of the above) I
exported my file definitions in QSHOW to PDL.

Then I started my Search and Replace routine. 
1) change all the - to _
2) change all file names to sql sytax "create..."
3) changed all item statements to sql syntax.
4) etc.
5)....test/retest.

Ken

 --- Othman <othman2@gmail.com> wrote: 
> how about the database migration.
> 
> our system running with the following environment 
> -System:	HP 3000/968 Rx
> -OS : MPE / ix HP 31900
> 	
> -Reporting	Quiz - Cognos PowerHouse 8.19.C4 version.
> 	
> -Screen Designing	QDESIGN - Cognos PowerHouse
> 8.19.C4 version.
> 	
> -Transaction Processing	QTP - Cognos PowerHouse
> 8.19.C4 version.
> 	
> -Data Base Dictionary	PDL - Cognos PowerHouse
> 8.19.C4 version.
> 
> what is the recommended path to migrate to NT ,MS
> SQL
> 
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:44:56 -0500 (EST), Ken
> Langendock
> <ken.langendock@rogers.com> wrote:
> > I'm not sure what you mean by tool.
> > 
> > I used a free ware search and replace tool that I downloaded from 
> > the net to fix the source.
> > 
> > The last conversion was from DG ISAM to ISAM for
> NT.
> > So all I did there was export the file definitions
> > from QSHOW on the UNIX box and cleaned them up for
> NT.
> > 
> > Most of the time I convert everything by search
> and
> > replace then do the rest by hand.
> > 
> > By using my application as a building block. I
> > converted a 100 program application within 2 weeks
> > (working at night). And that app was written back
> in
> > the early 80's, it was all crap code.
> > 
> > Ken
> > 
> > --- Othman <othman2@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > what tool did you use for migration
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 08:50:58 -0500 (EST), Ken
> > > Langendock
> > > <ken.langendock@rogers.com> wrote:
> > > > I have converted an application from many
> machines
> > > to
> > > > other lines.
> > > >
> > > > I started out on the VAX (in my opinion the
> best
> > > > machine still to this day), then to HP3000,
> then
> > > UNIX
> > > > (HP, SUN, IBM, DG, etc) then to Powerhouse NT.
> > > >
> > > > I created a system management module that
> takes
> > > all of
> > > > the O/S level code away from your application.
> > > This
> > > > allows me to convert from one platform to
> another
> > > > transparently to the User/Application.
> > > >
> > > > The problems you are going to encounter are:
> > > > 1) Quiz does not run in compiled form (at
> least it
> > > > didn't work correctly at the time of
> > > implementation).
> > > > Not a big problem since every user has their
> own
> > > CPU,
> > > > they do not notice.
> > > > 2) There is no real Batch Queue. Everything is
> run
> > > > interactively. I didn't have time to create
> one
> > > and
> > > > the client didn't care as the performance was
> 10
> > > times
> > > > faster.
> > > > 3) Printing is a little more difficult to set
> up.
> > > The
> > > > printers have to be set up on the network
> server.
> > > My
> > > > system management module took care of this,
> but
> > > the
> > > > testing was a bitch.
> > > > 4) I used strictly Powerhouse, no COBOL, etc.
> That
> > > may
> > > > be a problem for you, depends on what you are
> > > doing in
> > > > there.
> > > >
> > > > Hope this helps.
> > > > Ken@langendock.com
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I tried this on MPE and the only bad thing about it =
is if you have a column that is re-defined, it only creates the higher =
level item.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Is there an option to get it to create columns for =
the lower level items?</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Timothy J Cummings</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Ridgewood Corporate Center</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>1000 Summit Drive, Suite 200</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Milford, Ohio&nbsp; 45150</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>tim.cummings@frequencymarketing.com</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Joe Boyle [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:atla38@dsl.pipex.com">mailto:atla38@dsl.pipex.com</A>]</F=
ONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 2:33 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: powerh-l@lists.sowder.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: RE: VMS to WINDOWS approach ( set lang SQL =
- gen database...) ?</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I have been asked if this approach ( set lang SQL - =
gen database...) should</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>work on PH7 on VMS; I then remembered that BobD told =
the list that he tested</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>this and his words are pasted below -</FONT>
</P>

Well, this doesn't happen every day. This is a new =
one on me as well.
 I've tried it in 8.40D on OpenVMS and 8.41D on =
Windows. I'll make a bold
 assumption that UNIX works like Windows. On OpenVMS, =
the file created is
 named QSHOSQL.TXT. On UNIX and Windows the file is =
named qshogen.sql.
 The general syntax is...

And if anyone cares, QSHOW on MPE/iX does the same, =
generating a file named
 QSHOSQL. And yes, it generates a table for each =
dataset in an IMAGE
 database.

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Regards, Joe.</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>[<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com">mailto:powerh-l-admin@li=
sts.sowder.com</A>] On Behalf Of Deskin, Bob</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: 09 March 2005 15:33</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: powerh-l@lists.sowder.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: RE: Anyone have Moved from VMS to =
WINDOWS?</FONT>
</P>

Our recommendation when migrating from IMAGE/indexed =
to relational is to
 use Axiant. However, there is an undocumented =
feature (no I don't know
 why it's undocumented) of QSHOW that will let you =
generate a skeleton
 SQL table definition.

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>In QSHOW:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>SET LANG SQL</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>GENERATE DATABASE &lt;indexed-file&gt;</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Yes, I know it's a FILE and not a DATABASE, but you =
have to fool QSHOW</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>into thinking it's dealing with relational.</FONT>
</P>

On Windows, this create a file named qshogen.sql with =
the basic table
 definition. If you generate all your files this way =
and put the results
 together, and add the constraints and so on, you can =
come up with a
 fairly complete database schema. It's not as good as =
Axiant but it's a
 start.

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Bob</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>[<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com">mailto:powerh-l-admin@li=
sts.sowder.com</A>] On Behalf Of Ken Langendock</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: March 9, 2005 10:18 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: powerh-l@lists.sowder.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: Anyone have Moved from VMS to =
WINDOWS?</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

I know there have been many conversations flying =
back
 and forth about how to convert from ISAM/KSAM/RMS to =
a database. And
 unless I didn't see the actually &quot;final&quot; =
message. There wasn't a nice
 way of doing this unless you are going =
Axiant.

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Mom always told me to never touched the stuff.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>When I converted from ISAM (or all of the above) =
I</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>exported my file definitions in QSHOW to PDL.</FONT>
</P>

Then I started my Search and Replace routine. 
 1) change all the - to _
 2) change all file names to sql sytax =
&quot;create...&quot;
 3) changed all item statements to sql syntax.
 4) etc.
 5)....test/retest.

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Ken</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

&nbsp;--- Othman &lt;othman2@gmail.com&gt; wrote: =

 &gt; how about the database migration.
 &gt; 
 &gt; our system running with the following =
environment 
 &gt; -System:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; HP =
3000/968 Rx
 &gt; -OS : MPE / ix HP 31900
 &gt; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
 &gt; -Reporting&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Quiz - Cognos =
PowerHouse 8.19.C4 version.
 &gt; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
 &gt; -Screen Designing&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
QDESIGN - Cognos PowerHouse
 &gt; 8.19.C4 version.
 &gt; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
 &gt; -Transaction =
Processing&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; QTP - Cognos =
PowerHouse
 &gt; 8.19.C4 version.
 &gt; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
 &gt; -Data Base Dictionary PDL - Cognos =
PowerHouse
 &gt; 8.19.C4 version.
 &gt; 
 &gt; what is the recommended path to migrate to NT =
,MS
 &gt; SQL
 &gt; 
 &gt; On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:44:56 -0500 (EST), =
Ken
 &gt; Langendock
 &gt; &lt;ken.langendock@rogers.com&gt; wrote:
 &gt; &gt; I'm not sure what you mean by tool.
 &gt; &gt; 
 &gt; &gt; I used a free ware search and replace tool =
that I downloaded from 
 &gt; &gt; the net to fix the source.
 &gt; &gt; 
 &gt; &gt; The last conversion was from DG ISAM to =
ISAM for
 &gt; NT.
 &gt; &gt; So all I did there was export the file =
definitions
 &gt; &gt; from QSHOW on the UNIX box and cleaned =
them up for
 &gt; NT.
 &gt; &gt; 
 &gt; &gt; Most of the time I convert everything by =
search
 &gt; and
 &gt; &gt; replace then do the rest by hand.
 &gt; &gt; 
 &gt; &gt; By using my application as a building =
block. I
 &gt; &gt; converted a 100 program application within =
2 weeks
 &gt; &gt; (working at night). And that app was =
written back
 &gt; in
 &gt; &gt; the early 80's, it was all crap =
code.
 &gt; &gt; 
 &gt; &gt; Ken
 &gt; &gt; 
 &gt; &gt; --- Othman &lt;othman2@gmail.com&gt; =
wrote:
 &gt; &gt; &gt; what tool did you use for =
migration
 &gt; &gt; &gt;
 &gt; &gt; &gt;
 &gt; &gt; &gt; On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 08:50:58 -0500 =
(EST), Ken
 &gt; &gt; &gt; Langendock
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;ken.langendock@rogers.com&gt; =
wrote:
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I have converted an application =
from many
 &gt; machines
 &gt; &gt; &gt; to
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; other lines.
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I started out on the VAX (in my =
opinion the
 &gt; best
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; machine still to this day), then =
to HP3000,
 &gt; then
 &gt; &gt; &gt; UNIX
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; (HP, SUN, IBM, DG, etc) then to =
Powerhouse NT.
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I created a system management =
module that
 &gt; takes
 &gt; &gt; &gt; all of
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; the O/S level code away from =
your application.
 &gt; &gt; &gt; This
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; allows me to convert from one =
platform to
 &gt; another
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; transparently to the =
User/Application.
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; The problems you are going to =
encounter are:
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 1) Quiz does not run in compiled =
form (at
 &gt; least it
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; didn't work correctly at the =
time of
 &gt; &gt; &gt; implementation).
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Not a big problem since every =
user has their
 &gt; own
 &gt; &gt; &gt; CPU,
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; they do not notice.
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 2) There is no real Batch Queue. =
Everything is
 &gt; run
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; interactively. I didn't have =
time to create
 &gt; one
 &gt; &gt; &gt; and
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; the client didn't care as the =
performance was
 &gt; 10
 &gt; &gt; &gt; times
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; faster.
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 3) Printing is a little more =
difficult to set
 &gt; up.
 &gt; &gt; &gt; The
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; printers have to be set up on =
the network
 &gt; server.
 &gt; &gt; &gt; My
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; system management module took =
care of this,
 &gt; but
 &gt; &gt; &gt; the
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; testing was a bitch.
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 4) I used strictly Powerhouse, =
no COBOL, etc.
 &gt; That
 &gt; &gt; &gt; may
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; be a problem for you, depends on =
what you are
 &gt; &gt; &gt; doing in
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; there.
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Hope this helps.
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Ken@langendock.com
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