Current Challenges etc. in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING !)
Tim Cummings
tim.cummings@frequencymarketing.com
Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:45:03 -0500
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Bob,
=20
It seems to me that Cognos should want to dominate both markets (ADT, =
BI),
not just BI. I use PH, Impromptu, Powerplay and Reportnet. All very =
good
products, All deserve good marketing and support in my opinion.
=20
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: Berry, Robert [mailto:Bob.Berry@Cognos.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:37 AM
To: 'Tim Cummings'; Deskin, Bob; '"Selfors, Bj=F8rn"';
powerh-l@lists.sowder.com
Subject: RE: Current Challenges etc. in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING =
!)
Tim,
=20
My initial answer to your question was a simple "NO".
=20
However, one has to recognize that Cognos is the dominant BI software
company in the world. They have a marketing strategy for this side of =
the
business and are seeing great results. I believe that some of the best
marketing that any company can do is by word of mouth and by list =
servers
such as this. In many ways this forum is one of the best exposure =
areas for
topical discussions on the problems and opportunities that we all face.
Perhaps limited in scope but powerful in getting news out to the legion =
of
PH supporters.
=20
I was asked earlier "what does 6 months mean". Let me explain: In the
package that all supported customers will receive will be the =
following.
=20
The latest version of PH on the appropriate platform.
=20
PowerHouse Web and AXiant will be included. You will be asked =
to
call Cognos for a Temporary license key that will allow you to use both =
or
either products for a six month period. Upon completion of the trial =
you
will have the choice to either keep the software for the price of =
support or
discontinue using it.
=20
I hope that this helps anyone and everyone in their future plans =
regarding
PowerHouse.
=20
Bob Berry
Director ADT Development/
Customer Operations
Tel. 1-781-313-2270
-----Original Message-----
From: powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com
[mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com]On Behalf Of Tim Cummings
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:08 AM
To: 'Deskin, Bob'; '"Selfors, Bj=F8rn"'; powerh-l@lists.sowder.com
Subject: RE: Current Challenges etc. in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING =
!)
Bob,
=20
Is there a reason that Cognos does not advertise PH?
=20
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: Deskin, Bob [mailto:Bob.Deskin@cognos.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:34 AM
To: '"Selfors, Bj=F8rn"'; powerh-l@lists.sowder.com
Subject: RE: Current Challenges etc. in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING =
!)
We have published a date for PowerHouse on MPE/iX. We did so very soon =
after
HP's announcement. As previously announced PowerHouse on MPE/iX will be
supported until Dec 31, 2006. We have also matured PowerHouse on VAX =
(due to
HP's end of life on VAX), and on AS/400 and Tru64 (due to business =
reasons).
We have updated the supported products list on the support.cognos.com =
web
site to include these dates.=20
=20
All other platforms, OpenVMS Alpha, UNIX (HP-UX, AIX, Solaris), and =
Windows
NT/2000/XP are fully supported.
=20
Don't ask me how long PowerHouse will be supported on those platforms
because there is no end-of-support date. If there's business, it will =
go on
forever. If not, we will make that decision based on the business at =
the
time.
=20
Hopefully you saw Cognos' announcement of their annual results. =
Application
Development Tools' revenue for our last fiscal year was about 29.5 =
million
dollars US. That is not insignificant. We're not going away any time =
soon.
Bob Deskin =20
Senior Product Manager, Application Development Tools, Cognos Inc.=20
bob.deskin@cognos.com (613) 738-1338 ext 7268 FAX: (613) 727-1178=20
3755 Riverside Drive P.O. Box 9707 Stn. T, Ottawa ON K1G 4K9 CANADA=20
-----Original Message-----
From: "Selfors, Bj=F8rn" [mailto:Bjorn.Selfors@bergen.kommune.no]=20
Sent: March 30, 2004 2:50 AM
To: Deskin, Bob; powerh-l@lists.sowder.com
Subject: SV: Current Challenges etc. in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING =
!)
HP has been honest and given us the 3000-date, Dec 31, 2006. =20
What about Cognos? Will they give us the PowerHouse-date soon?
"We have no plans for that" they probably say, but what are the Cognos =
plans
for PH? No marketing for years, that gives us a clue! I think you =
know
Bob, are Cognos going to let it slowly die, or are you going to be =
straight
and give us the date?
Bj=F8rn Selfors =20
-----Opprinnelig melding-----
Fra: Deskin, Bob [mailto:Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM]
Sendt: 29. mars 2004 22:18
Til: 'Bill D Michael'; 'powerh-l@lists.sowder.com'
Emne: RE: Current Challenges etc. in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING !)
We've had a version on Windows for years. We've had articles in =
SupportLink.
It's mentioned on the PowerHouse web site (which is somewhat out of =
date but
not that out of date).
It's full PowerHouse including QUICK.=20
Bob=20
-----Original Message-----=20
From: powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com [
mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com
<mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com> ] On Behalf Of Bill D Michael=20
Sent: March 29, 2004 3:04 PM=20
To: 'powerh-l@lists.sowder.com'=20
Subject: RE: Current Challenges etc. in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING =
!)=20
>How well are sales of PH on the windows platform? Do you have any =
data=20
>on=20
that?=20
You mean there IS a version that runs on Windows? How is anyone =
supposed to
know that? Is this buried somewhere in the Cognos web site? Advertised =
in
all the major media? What are the specs? Advantages? Missing features?
:-(=20
Bill=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D687153615-30032004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Bob,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D687153615-30032004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D687153615-30032004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>It=20
seems to me that Cognos should want to dominate both markets (ADT, BI), =
not just=20
BI. I use PH, Impromptu, Powerplay and Reportnet. All very =
good=20
products, All deserve good marketing and support in my=20
opinion.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D687153615-30032004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D687153615-30032004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Tim</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Berry, Robert=20
[mailto:Bob.Berry@Cognos.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 30, 2004 =
10:37=20
AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Tim Cummings'; Deskin, Bob; '"Selfors, Bj=F8rn"';=20
powerh-l@lists.sowder.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Current Challenges =
etc. in=20
the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING !)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D156053315-30032004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Tim,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D156053315-30032004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D156053315-30032004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>My=20
initial answer to your question was a simple =
"NO".</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D156053315-30032004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D156053315-30032004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>However, one has to recognize that Cognos is the dominant BI =
software=20
company in the world. They have a marketing strategy for this =
side of the=20
business and are seeing great results. I believe that some of =
the best=20
marketing that any company can do is by word of mouth and by list =
servers such=20
as this. In many ways this forum is one of the best exposure =
areas for=20
topical discussions on the problems and opportunities that we all =
face. =20
Perhaps limited in scope but powerful in getting news out to the =
legion of PH=20
supporters.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D156053315-30032004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D156053315-30032004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I=20
was asked earlier "what does 6 months mean". Let me =
explain: In=20
the package that all supported customers will receive will be the=20
following.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D156053315-30032004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN =
class=3D156053315-30032004> =20
<FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>The latest version of PH =
on the=20
appropriate platform.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D156053315-30032004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN =
class=3D156053315-30032004> =20
<FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>PowerHouse Web and AXiant =
will be=20
included. You will be asked to call Cognos for a Temporary =
license key=20
that will allow you to use both or either products for a six month=20
period. Upon completion of the trial you will have the choice =
to either=20
keep the software for the price of support or discontinue using=20
it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D156053315-30032004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D156053315-30032004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I=20
hope that this helps anyone and everyone in their future plans =
regarding=20
PowerHouse.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D156053315-30032004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D156053315-30032004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Bob=20
Berry</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D156053315-30032004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Director ADT Development/</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D156053315-30032004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Customer Operations</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D156053315-30032004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Tel. 1-781-313-2270</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com=20
[mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Tim=20
Cummings<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:08 =
AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
'Deskin, Bob'; '"Selfors, Bj=F8rn"';=20
powerh-l@lists.sowder.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Current Challenges =
etc. in=20
the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING !)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D765450815-30032004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Bob,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D765450815-30032004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D765450815-30032004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Is=20
there a reason that Cognos does not advertise =
PH?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D765450815-30032004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D765450815-30032004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Tim</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Deskin, Bob=20
[mailto:Bob.Deskin@cognos.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 30, =
2004=20
9:34 AM<BR><B>To:</B> '"Selfors, Bj=F8rn"';=20
powerh-l@lists.sowder.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Current =
Challenges etc.=20
in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING !)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D713202614-30032004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>We have published a date for PowerHouse on MPE/iX. We =
did so very=20
soon after HP's announcement. As previously announced =
</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D713202614-30032004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>PowerHouse=20
on MPE/iX will be supported until Dec 31, 2006. We have also =
matured=20
PowerHouse on VAX (due to HP's end of life on VAX), and on =
AS/400 and=20
Tru64 (due to business reasons). We have updated the supported =
products=20
list on the support.cognos.com web site to include these =
dates.=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D713202614-30032004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D713202614-30032004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>All other platforms, OpenVMS Alpha, UNIX (HP-UX, AIX, =
Solaris), and=20
Windows NT/2000/XP are fully supported.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D713202614-30032004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D713202614-30032004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Don't ask me how long PowerHouse will be supported on =
those=20
platforms because there is no end-of-support date. If =
there's=20
business, it will go on forever. If not, we will make that =
decision based=20
on the business at the time.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D713202614-30032004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D713202614-30032004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Hopefully you saw Cognos' announcement of their annual =
results.=20
Application Development Tools' revenue for our last fiscal year =
was about=20
29.5 million dollars US. That is not insignificant. We're not =
going away=20
any time soon.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D713202614-30032004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><!-- Converted from text/rtf format -->
<P><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><!-- Converted =
from text/rtf format --></P>
<P><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bob=20
=
Deskin =
=20
</FONT></SPAN><BR><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>Senior Product=20
Manager, Application Development Tools, Cognos Inc.</FONT></SPAN> =
<BR><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>bob.deskin@cognos.com (613)=20
738-1338 ext 7268 FAX: (613) 727-1178</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN=20
lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>3755 Riverside Drive =
P.O. Box 9707 Stn.=20
T, Ottawa ON K1G 4K9 CANADA</FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P></FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original=20
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> "Selfors, Bj=F8rn"=20
[mailto:Bjorn.Selfors@bergen.kommune.no] <BR><B>Sent:</B> March =
30, 2004=20
2:50 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Deskin, Bob;=20
powerh-l@lists.sowder.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> SV: Current =
Challenges etc.=20
in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING !)<BR><BR></FONT>
<P></P></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; =
mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">HP=20
has been honest and given us the 3000-date, </SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3DEN-GB=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; =
mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">Dec=20
31, 2006.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =20
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></FONT>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; =
mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT=20
face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2>What about Cognos?<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Will they give us the =
PowerHouse-date soon?<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoBodyText><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>"We have=20
no plans for that" they probably say, but what are the Cognos =
plans for=20
PH?<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>No =
marketing for=20
years, that gives us a clue!<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes"> =20
</SPAN>I think you know Bob, are Cognos going to let it slowly =
die, or=20
are you going to be straight and give us the=20
date?</FONT></SPAN></P></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Bj=F8rn Selfors </FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Opprinnelig melding-----<BR><B>Fra:</B> Deskin, =
Bob=20
[mailto:Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM]<BR><B>Sendt:</B> 29. mars 2004 =
22:18<BR><B>Til:</B> 'Bill D Michael';=20
'powerh-l@lists.sowder.com'<BR><B>Emne:</B> RE: Current =
Challenges=20
etc. in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING =
!)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT size=3D2>We've had a version on Windows for years. =
We've had=20
articles in SupportLink. It's mentioned on the PowerHouse web =
site=20
(which is somewhat out of date but not that out of =
date).</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>It's full PowerHouse including =
QUICK.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Bob</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>From: powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com [<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com">mailto:powerh-l-admin@li=
sts.sowder.com</A>]=20
On Behalf Of Bill D Michael</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>Sent: =
March 29,=20
2004 3:04 PM</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>To:=20
'powerh-l@lists.sowder.com'</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>Subject: RE:=20
Current Challenges etc. in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING =
!)</FONT>=20
</P><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<P><FONT size=3D2>>How well are sales of PH on the windows =
platform? Do you have any data </FONT><BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>>on</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>that?</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>You mean there IS a version that runs on =
Windows? How=20
is anyone supposed to know that? Is this buried somewhere in =
the=20
Cognos web site? Advertised in all the major media? What are =
the=20
specs? Advantages? Missing features?</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>:-(</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Bill</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>------------------</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>"This=20
posting reflects the individual views and opinions of the =
author and=20
does not necessarily represent the views and opinions of =
International=20
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