Current Challenges etc. in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING !)
Berry, Robert
Bob.Berry@Cognos.com
Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:36:45 -0500
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Tim,
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My initial answer to your question was a simple "NO".
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However, one has to recognize that Cognos is the dominant BI software
company in the world. They have a marketing strategy for this side of =
the
business and are seeing great results. I believe that some of the best
marketing that any company can do is by word of mouth and by list =
servers
such as this. In many ways this forum is one of the best exposure =
areas for
topical discussions on the problems and opportunities that we all face.
Perhaps limited in scope but powerful in getting news out to the legion =
of
PH supporters.
=20
I was asked earlier "what does 6 months mean". Let me explain: In the
package that all supported customers will receive will be the =
following.
=20
The latest version of PH on the appropriate platform.
=20
PowerHouse Web and AXiant will be included. You will be asked =
to
call Cognos for a Temporary license key that will allow you to use both =
or
either products for a six month period. Upon completion of the trial =
you
will have the choice to either keep the software for the price of =
support or
discontinue using it.
=20
I hope that this helps anyone and everyone in their future plans =
regarding
PowerHouse.
=20
Bob Berry
Director ADT Development/
Customer Operations
Tel. 1-781-313-2270
-----Original Message-----
From: powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com
[mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com]On Behalf Of Tim Cummings
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:08 AM
To: 'Deskin, Bob'; '"Selfors, Bj=F8rn"'; powerh-l@lists.sowder.com
Subject: RE: Current Challenges etc. in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING =
!)
Bob,
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Is there a reason that Cognos does not advertise PH?
=20
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: Deskin, Bob [mailto:Bob.Deskin@cognos.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:34 AM
To: '"Selfors, Bj=F8rn"'; powerh-l@lists.sowder.com
Subject: RE: Current Challenges etc. in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING =
!)
We have published a date for PowerHouse on MPE/iX. We did so very soon =
after
HP's announcement. As previously announced PowerHouse on MPE/iX will be
supported until Dec 31, 2006. We have also matured PowerHouse on VAX =
(due to
HP's end of life on VAX), and on AS/400 and Tru64 (due to business =
reasons).
We have updated the supported products list on the support.cognos.com =
web
site to include these dates.=20
=20
All other platforms, OpenVMS Alpha, UNIX (HP-UX, AIX, Solaris), and =
Windows
NT/2000/XP are fully supported.
=20
Don't ask me how long PowerHouse will be supported on those platforms
because there is no end-of-support date. If there's business, it will =
go on
forever. If not, we will make that decision based on the business at =
the
time.
=20
Hopefully you saw Cognos' announcement of their annual results. =
Application
Development Tools' revenue for our last fiscal year was about 29.5 =
million
dollars US. That is not insignificant. We're not going away any time =
soon.
Bob Deskin =20
Senior Product Manager, Application Development Tools, Cognos Inc.=20
bob.deskin@cognos.com (613) 738-1338 ext 7268 FAX: (613) 727-1178=20
3755 Riverside Drive P.O. Box 9707 Stn. T, Ottawa ON K1G 4K9 CANADA=20
-----Original Message-----
From: "Selfors, Bj=F8rn" [mailto:Bjorn.Selfors@bergen.kommune.no]=20
Sent: March 30, 2004 2:50 AM
To: Deskin, Bob; powerh-l@lists.sowder.com
Subject: SV: Current Challenges etc. in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING =
!)
HP has been honest and given us the 3000-date, Dec 31, 2006. =20
What about Cognos? Will they give us the PowerHouse-date soon?
"We have no plans for that" they probably say, but what are the Cognos =
plans
for PH? No marketing for years, that gives us a clue! I think you =
know
Bob, are Cognos going to let it slowly die, or are you going to be =
straight
and give us the date?
Bj=F8rn Selfors =20
-----Opprinnelig melding-----
Fra: Deskin, Bob [mailto:Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM]
Sendt: 29. mars 2004 22:18
Til: 'Bill D Michael'; 'powerh-l@lists.sowder.com'
Emne: RE: Current Challenges etc. in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING !)
We've had a version on Windows for years. We've had articles in =
SupportLink.
It's mentioned on the PowerHouse web site (which is somewhat out of =
date but
not that out of date).
It's full PowerHouse including QUICK.=20
Bob=20
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Subject: RE: Current Challenges etc. in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING =
!)=20
>How well are sales of PH on the windows platform? Do you have any =
data=20
>on=20
that?=20
You mean there IS a version that runs on Windows? How is anyone =
supposed to
know that? Is this buried somewhere in the Cognos web site? Advertised =
in
all the major media? What are the specs? Advantages? Missing features?
:-(=20
Bill=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=156053315-30032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Tim,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=156053315-30032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=156053315-30032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>My
initial answer to your question was a simple "NO".</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=156053315-30032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=156053315-30032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>However, one has to recognize that Cognos is the dominant BI software
company in the world. They have a marketing strategy for this side of the
business and are seeing great results. I believe that some of the best
marketing that any company can do is by word of mouth and by list servers such
as this. In many ways this forum is one of the best exposure areas for
topical discussions on the problems and opportunities that we all face.
Perhaps limited in scope but powerful in getting news out to the legion of PH
supporters.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=156053315-30032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=156053315-30032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I was
asked earlier "what does 6 months mean". Let me explain: In the
package that all supported customers will receive will be the
following.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=156053315-30032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=156053315-30032004>
<FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The latest version of PH on the
appropriate platform.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=156053315-30032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=156053315-30032004>
<FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>PowerHouse Web and AXiant will be
included. You will be asked to call Cognos for a Temporary license key
that will allow you to use both or either products for a six month period.
Upon completion of the trial you will have the choice to either keep the
software for the price of support or discontinue using it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=156053315-30032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=156053315-30032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I hope
that this helps anyone and everyone in their future plans regarding
PowerHouse.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=156053315-30032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=156053315-30032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Bob
Berry</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=156053315-30032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Director ADT Development/</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=156053315-30032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Customer Operations</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=156053315-30032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Tel. 1-781-313-2270</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com [mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>Tim Cummings<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:08
AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Deskin, Bob'; '"Selfors, Bjørn"';
powerh-l@lists.sowder.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Current Challenges etc. in
the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING !)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=765450815-30032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Bob,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=765450815-30032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=765450815-30032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Is
there a reason that Cognos does not advertise PH?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=765450815-30032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=765450815-30032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Tim</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Deskin, Bob
[mailto:Bob.Deskin@cognos.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:34
AM<BR><B>To:</B> '"Selfors, Bjørn"';
powerh-l@lists.sowder.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Current Challenges etc. in
the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING !)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=713202614-30032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>We
have published a date for PowerHouse on MPE/iX. We did so very soon after
HP's announcement. As previously announced </FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=713202614-30032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>PowerHouse on
MPE/iX will be supported until Dec 31, 2006. We have also matured PowerHouse
on VAX (due to HP's end of life on VAX), and on AS/400 and Tru64 (due
to business reasons). We have updated the supported products list on
the support.cognos.com web site to include these dates. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=713202614-30032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=713202614-30032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>All other platforms, OpenVMS Alpha, UNIX (HP-UX, AIX, Solaris), and
Windows NT/2000/XP are fully supported.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=713202614-30032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=713202614-30032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Don't ask me how long PowerHouse will be supported on those
platforms because there is no end-of-support date. If there's business,
it will go on forever. If not, we will make that decision based on the
business at the time.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=713202614-30032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=713202614-30032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Hopefully you saw Cognos' announcement of their annual results.
Application Development Tools' revenue for our last fiscal year was about
29.5 million dollars US. That is not insignificant. We're not going away any
time soon.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=713202614-30032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><!-- Converted from text/rtf format -->
<P><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2><!-- Converted from text/rtf format --></P>
<P><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bob
Deskin
</FONT></SPAN><BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>Senior Product
Manager, Application Development Tools, Cognos Inc.</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN
lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>bob.deskin@cognos.com (613) 738-1338 ext
7268 FAX: (613) 727-1178</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial
size=2>3755 Riverside Drive P.O. Box 9707 Stn. T, Ottawa ON K1G 4K9
CANADA</FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P></FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV></DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> "Selfors, Bjørn"
[mailto:Bjorn.Selfors@bergen.kommune.no] <BR><B>Sent:</B> March 30, 2004
2:50 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Deskin, Bob;
powerh-l@lists.sowder.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> SV: Current Challenges etc. in
the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING !)<BR><BR></FONT>
<P></P></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">HP
has been honest and given us the 3000-date, </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">Dec
31, 2006.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></FONT>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT
face=Arial><FONT size=2>What about Cognos?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Will they give us the
PowerHouse-date soon?<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoBodyText><SPAN lang=EN-GB><FONT face=Arial size=2>"We have no
plans for that" they probably say, but what are the Cognos plans for
PH?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>No marketing for
years, that gives us a clue!<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>I think you know Bob, are Cognos going to let it slowly die, or are
you going to be straight and give us the
date?</FONT></SPAN></P></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Bjørn Selfors </FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Opprinnelig melding-----<BR><B>Fra:</B> Deskin, Bob
[mailto:Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM]<BR><B>Sendt:</B> 29. mars 2004
22:18<BR><B>Til:</B> 'Bill D Michael';
'powerh-l@lists.sowder.com'<BR><B>Emne:</B> RE: Current Challenges etc.
in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING !)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>We've had a version on Windows for years. We've had
articles in SupportLink. It's mentioned on the PowerHouse web site
(which is somewhat out of date but not that out of date).</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2>It's full PowerHouse including QUICK.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Bob</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>From:
powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com [<A
href="mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com">mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com</A>]
On Behalf Of Bill D Michael</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Sent: March 29, 2004
3:04 PM</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>To: 'powerh-l@lists.sowder.com'</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>Subject: RE: Current Challenges etc. in the PowerHouse
World (SHRINKING !)</FONT> </P><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<P><FONT size=2>>How well are sales of PH on the windows
platform? Do you have any data </FONT><BR><FONT
size=2>>on</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>that?</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>You mean there IS a version that runs on Windows? How is
anyone supposed to know that? Is this buried somewhere in the Cognos web
site? Advertised in all the major media? What are the specs? Advantages?
Missing features?</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2>:-(</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Bill</FONT> </P>
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