Tool to generate screen program?????
Deskin, Bob
Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM
Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:52:29 -0400
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Unfortunately that's a circular solution. You need to have the source code
to compile with the debugger in order to generate the .qkl files which has
the source code. If you had the .qkl file, there wouldn't be a problem. It's
the text of the source code plus generated procedures, all with line numbers
for reference.
Nice try though.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Miller, Daniel [mailto:Daniel.Miller@nightfreight.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:30 AM
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: Tool to generate screen program?????
Hi,
Am i right in thinking you could get the source code if the screen was
compiled with the debugger?
I think you would need the .qkc/.qkd/.qkl files; then you could do list all
in the quick debug facility.
Daniel Miller
Nightfreight
Any views expressed are those of the sender and not necessarily those of
Nightfreight
-----Original Message-----
From: Deskin, Bob [mailto:Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 1:46 PM
To: Hurworth, Erik; 'gary'; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: Tool to generate screen program????
If that's the question, I.e take a compiled screen file and generate QDESIGN
source code, the answer is that there has never been such a tool to my
recollection.
Bob Deskin
Product Manager, Application Development Tools, Cognos Inc.
bob.deskin@cognos.com (613) 738-1338 ext 7268 FAX: (613) 727-1178
3755 Riverside Drive P.O. Box 9707 Stn. T, Ottawa ON K1G 4K9 CANADA
-----Original Message-----
From: Hurworth, Erik
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:23 AM
To: Deskin, Bob; 'gary'; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: Tool to generate screen program?????
Hi all,
I may be wrong but I think the original question may have been aluding to
whether you can generate the source code
from a compiled program if you have since mislaid the source. The answer to
this question as far as I am aware is a
resounding NO.
Regards
Erik A. Hurworth
Technical Lead
Customer Support
Cognos Ltd.
Tel: +44 1344 707799
Email: erik.hurworth@cognos.com
Web: support.cognos.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Deskin, Bob [mailto:Bob.Deskin@cognos.com]
Sent: 21 October 2003 11:24
To: 'gary'; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: Tool to generate screen program?????
Yes it did but has not been available for many years. We found that it was
very difficult to maintain relative to the use customers got from it. Of
course there were some people who loved it, but most didn't care one way or
the other. We'd rather focus resources where they matter.
It's very difficult to translate a layout into efficient QDESIGN code. Note
the word efficient. I suppose you could use AT options for every FIELD, but
that's not efficient. Also, how do you handle ID association. The layout
section in QDESIGN is not just layout, it's processing sequence and grouping
as well. This is where Screen Painter really had problems.
Bob Deskin
Product Manager, Application Development Tools
Cognos Inc. 3755 Riverside Drive, Ottawa ON K1G 4K9 CANADA
bob.deskin@cognos.com (613) 738-1338 ext 7268
-----Original Message-----
From: gary [mailto:gary@heritage.co.za]
Sent: October 21, 2003 5:01 AM
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: Re: Tool to generate screen program?????
Didn't the PowerHouse Paint utility do something similar. I don't know if it
has been discontinued, but I remember using it to do the initial design for
screens, but that was a few versions back and I don't recall seeing it in
our present version(MPE 8.19C).
----- Original Message -----
From: Olmos, Fernando (Sericon at <mailto:Fernando.Olmos@alcoa.com.au>
Alcoa)
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu <mailto:powerh-l@lists.swau.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 1:04 AM
Subject: RE: Tool to generate screen program?????
No, but if you're pre-paired to pay me $40 an hour (AUS) I'll make one for
you in VB. Not a bad idea actually.
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Subject: Tool to generate screen program?????
Hello all,
Is there any tool which can generate screen program in QDesign when the
layout of the screen
is given as an input file(something similar to HTML code generation in
frontpage)?
If no tool is available then i would like to know if this kind of thing is
possible in powerhouse.
Danteshwari
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<DIV><SPAN class=777114814-21102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Unfortunately that's a circular solution. You need to have the source
code to compile with the debugger in order to generate the .qkl files which has
the source code. If you had the .qkl file, there wouldn't be a problem. It's the
text of the source code plus generated procedures, all with line numbers for
reference.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=777114814-21102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=777114814-21102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Nice
try though.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=777114814-21102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=777114814-21102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Bob</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Miller, Daniel
[mailto:Daniel.Miller@nightfreight.co.uk]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 21,
2003 10:30 AM<BR><B>To:</B> powerh-l@lists.swau.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
Tool to generate screen program?????<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=770192814-21102003>Hi,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=770192814-21102003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=770192814-21102003>Am i
right in thinking you could get the source code if the screen was compiled
with the debugger?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=770192814-21102003>I
think you would need the .qkc/.qkd/.qkl files; then you could do list all in
the quick debug facility.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=770192814-21102003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=770192814-21102003>Daniel Miller</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=770192814-21102003>Nightfreight</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=770192814-21102003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=770192814-21102003>Any
views expressed are those of the sender and not necessarily those of
Nightfreight</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=770192814-21102003> </SPAN>-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Deskin, Bob
[mailto:Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 21, 2003 1:46
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Hurworth, Erik; 'gary';
powerh-l@lists.swau.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Tool to generate screen
program????<BR></DIV></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"></FONT>
<DIV><SPAN class=838014312-21102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>If
that's the question, I.e take a compiled screen file and generate QDESIGN
source code, the answer is that there has never been such a tool to my
recollection. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=838014312-21102003>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bob
Deskin
</FONT><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>Product Manager, Application Development
Tools, Cognos Inc.</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>bob.deskin@cognos.com
(613) 738-1338 ext 7268 FAX: (613) 727-1178</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>3755 Riverside Drive P.O. Box 9707 Stn. T, Ottawa ON K1G 4K9
CANADA</FONT> </P></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Hurworth, Erik
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:23 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Deskin,
Bob; 'gary'; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Tool to
generate screen program?????<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=063122212-21102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Hi all,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=063122212-21102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=063122212-21102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>I may be wrong but I think the original question may have been
aluding to whether you can generate the source code
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=063122212-21102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>f</FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=063122212-21102003><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>rom a compiled </FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=063122212-21102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>program if
you have since mislaid the source. The answer to this question as far as I
am aware is a</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=063122212-21102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>resounding NO.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards</FONT> </P><BR>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Erik A. Hurworth</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Technical Lead</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>Customer
Support</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cognos Ltd.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Tel: +44 1344 707799</FONT> <BR><FONT
face=Arial size=2>Email: erik.hurworth@cognos.com</FONT> <BR><FONT
face=Arial size=2>Web: support.cognos.com</FONT> </P>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Deskin, Bob
[mailto:Bob.Deskin@cognos.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> 21 October 2003
11:24<BR><B>To:</B> 'gary'; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
Tool to generate screen program?????<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=449121910-21102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Yes it did but has not been available for many years. We found that
it was very difficult to maintain relative to the use customers got from
it. Of course there were some people who loved it, but most didn't care
one way or the other. We'd rather focus resources where they
matter.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=449121910-21102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=449121910-21102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>It's very difficult to translate a layout into efficient QDESIGN
code. Note the word efficient. I suppose you could use AT options for
every FIELD, but that's not efficient. Also, how do you handle ID
association. The layout section in QDESIGN is not just layout, it's
processing sequence and grouping as well. This is where Screen Painter
really had problems.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=449121910-21102003>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bob
Deskin
</FONT><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>Product Manager</FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2>,</FONT> <FONT face=Arial size=2>Application Development
Tools</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cognos Inc.</FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2></FONT> <FONT face=Arial size=2>3755 Riverside
Drive</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>,</FONT> <FONT face=Arial
size=2>Ottawa ON K1G 4K9 CANADA</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>bob.deskin@cognos.com</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> <FONT
face=Arial size=2>(613) 738-1338 ext</FONT> <FONT face=Arial
size=2>7268</FONT> </P></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> gary
[mailto:gary@heritage.co.za]<BR><B>Sent:</B> October 21, 2003 5:01
AM<BR><B>To:</B> powerh-l@lists.swau.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Tool to
generate screen program?????<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Garamond size=2>Didn't the PowerHouse Paint utility do
something similar. I don't know if it has been discontinued, but I
remember using it to do the initial design for screens, but that was a
few versions back and I don't recall seeing it in our present
version(MPE 8.19C).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<A title=Fernando.Olmos@alcoa.com.au
href="mailto:Fernando.Olmos@alcoa.com.au">Olmos, Fernando (Sericon at
Alcoa)</A> </DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=149050423-20102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>No, but if you're pre-paired to pay me $40 an hour (AUS) I'll
make one for you in VB. Not a bad idea actually.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Is there any tool which can
generate screen program in QDesign when the layout of the
screen </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>is given as an input file(something
similar to HTML code generation in frontpage)?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If no tool is available then i would
like to know if this kind of thing is possible in
powerhouse.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Danteshwari</FONT></DIV>
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