Powerhouse HP3000 Migration

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Does the "green screen" run in a dos window or via telnet or in a regular
window?

-----Original Message-----
From: Deskin, Bob [mailto:Bob.Deskin@cognos.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 11:02 AM
To: 'Edis, Robert'; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: Powerhouse HP3000 Migration

The "green" screen capability, in other words QUICK, is now available for
order on Windows NT/2000/XP. It's version 8.41 and was officially released
June 23.
Bob Deskin              
Product Manager, Application Development Tools, Cognos Inc. 
bob.deskin@cognos.com (613) 738-1338 ext 7268 FAX: (613) 727-1178 
3755 Riverside Drive P.O. Box 9707 Stn. T, Ottawa ON K1G 4K9 CANADA 
-----Original Message----- 
From: Edis, Robert [ mailto:Robert.Edis@blistex.com
<mailto:Robert.Edis@blistex.com> ] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 10:04 AM 
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu 
Subject: RE: Powerhouse HP3000 Migration 

G'day Luan 
I have used PH 8.24 on W2K against a SQL Server 2000 database via MS ODBC 
AND RMS and DB2 databases via Connx ODBC. 
Points: 
1. no 'green' screen available until the new version comes out (soon?).  The

Quick engine is for design purposes only and meant to be run under PH Web. 
The response time is pretty good though, especially as we had users 
connecting to the PH Web forms over 56k modems from across the country. 
2. QTP works fast and well connecting to all the above data sources. 
3. Quiz performance against SQL Server sucks.  However you can improve 
performance by incorporating embedded SQL and database stored procedures. 
For reporting I'd recommend converting to Impromptu except for the rare 
circumstances where only Quiz will do. 
The version due out soon has 'green' screen capability.  I don't know if 
Reflection supports  W2K as a server though. 
Good luck, 
Blue 
-----Original Message----- 
From: lha@bigpond.net.au [ mailto:lha@bigpond.net.au
<mailto:lha@bigpond.net.au> ] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 8:51 AM 
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu 
Subject: Powerhouse HP3000 Migration 

One of my clients has a single PowerHouse app on an old HP3000 running 
MPE/iX v 7.0. The client is part of a large multi-national who want to 
move away from the HP3000 platform. However, we find that PH does the 
job well and the client is very reluctant to spend a whole heap of 
dollars re-writing the app which would end up doing what it does now 
but at higher cost and possibly lower reliability. Although it's a 
single app, it's a core system handling high revenue. One thought I 
have is to move to PH on a Windows NT/W2K server platform, possibly 
using the Eloquence database (PH version due late this year?). 
My questions: what is your experience with running PH on Win NT/2K? I'm 
particularly interested in performance, reliability, interface to 
printers. What databases are you using? 
The client is happy to continue with text-based screens - they 
currently use WQR Reflection which gives the users plenty of options 
for customising the display etc. Can the PH/Win NT combination also be 
customised in this way without going to Axiant or PH Web? 
Any other observations or thoughts welcome! 
Thanks, 
Luan Ha 
Principal Consultant, Padys Pty Ltd. 
Email address : lha@bigpond.net.au 

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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Deskin, Bob
[mailto:Bob.Deskin@cognos.com]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July =
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11:02 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Edis, Robert';
powerh-l@lists.swau.edu<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Powerhouse =
HP3000
Migration</span></font></p>

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The &quot;green&quot; screen =
capability,
in other words QUICK, is now available for order on Windows NT/2000/XP. =
It's
version 8.41 and was officially released June 23.<o:p></o:p>=

Bob
Deskin&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;
 
Product Manager, Application Development Tools, Cognos =
Inc. 
bob.deskin@cognos.com (613) 738-1338 ext 7268 FAX: (613) =
727-1178 
3755 Riverside Drive P.O. Box 9707 Stn. T, Ottawa ON K1G =
4K9
CANADA =
<o:p></o:p>=

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</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
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</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
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Migration</span></font><font
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<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>G'day Luan</span></font><font =
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<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>I have used PH 8.24 on W2K =
against a SQL
Server 2000 database via MS ODBC</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>AND RMS and DB2 databases via Connx =
ODBC.</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font>=
</p>

Points: 
1. no 'green' screen available until the new version comes =
out
(soon?).&nbsp; The 
Quick engine is for design purposes only and meant to be =
run under
PH Web. =
 
The response time is pretty good though, especially as we =
had
users =
 
connecting to the PH Web forms over 56k modems from across =
the
country. =
 
2. QTP works fast and well connecting to all the above =
data
sources. =
 
3. Quiz performance against SQL Server sucks.&nbsp; =
However you
can improve 
performance by incorporating embedded SQL and database =
stored
procedures. 
For reporting I'd recommend converting to Impromptu except =
for the
rare 
circumstances where only Quiz will do. <o:p></o:p>=

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>The version due out soon has =
'green'
screen capability.&nbsp; I don't know if</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>Reflection supports&nbsp; W2K as a server =
though.</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font>=
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<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
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</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
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One of my clients has a single =
PowerHouse
app on an old HP3000 running 
MPE/iX v 7.0. The client is part of a large multi-national =
who
want to 
move away from the HP3000 platform. However, we find that =
PH does
the 
job well and the client is very reluctant to spend a whole =
heap of
 
dollars re-writing the app which would end up doing what =
it does
now 
but at higher cost and possibly lower reliability. =
Although it's a
 
single app, it's a core system handling high revenue. One =
thought
I 
have is to move to PH on a Windows NT/W2K server platform,
possibly 
using the Eloquence database (PH version due late this =
year?). <o:p></o:p>=

My questions: what is your =
experience with
running PH on Win NT/2K? I'm 
particularly interested in performance, reliability, =
interface to 
printers. What databases are you using? 
The client is happy to continue with text-based screens - =
they 
currently use WQR Reflection which gives the users plenty =
of
options 
for customising the display etc. Can the PH/Win NT =
combination
also be 
customised in this way without going to Axiant or PH =
Web? 
Any other observations or thoughts =
welcome! <o:p></o:p>=

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Luan Ha</span></font><font =
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style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>Principal Consultant, Padys Pty Ltd.</span></font><font
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