Powerhouse HP3000 Migration

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Normally you would run it in a "DOS" window (i.e. the Command Console
window). You can use a Telnet client if it emulates the DOS window, but
there aren't many that do. However, since the cost is the same (we license
by user count) you're better off running on the PC rather than as a client.
You can still access remote databases and use remote screens (i.e. use
PROCLOC to point to a network drive).

I wrote an article in SupportLink a few months ago about this.

Bob Deskin              
Product Manager, Application Development Tools, Cognos Inc. 
bob.deskin@cognos.com (613) 738-1338 ext 7268 FAX: (613) 727-1178 
3755 Riverside Drive P.O. Box 9707 Stn. T, Ottawa ON K1G 4K9 CANADA 
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Cummings [mailto:tim.cummings@frequencymarketing.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 2:15 PM
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: Powerhouse HP3000 Migration

Does the "green screen" run in a dos window or via telnet or in a regular
window?

-----Original Message-----
From: Deskin, Bob [mailto:Bob.Deskin@cognos.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 11:02 AM
To: 'Edis, Robert'; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: Powerhouse HP3000 Migration

The "green" screen capability, in other words QUICK, is now available for
order on Windows NT/2000/XP. It's version 8.41 and was officially released
June 23.
Bob Deskin              
Product Manager, Application Development Tools, Cognos Inc. 
bob.deskin@cognos.com (613) 738-1338 ext 7268 FAX: (613) 727-1178 
3755 Riverside Drive P.O. Box 9707 Stn. T, Ottawa ON K1G 4K9 CANADA 
-----Original Message----- 
From: Edis, Robert [ mailto:Robert.Edis@blistex.com
<mailto:Robert.Edis@blistex.com> ] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 10:04 AM 
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu 
Subject: RE: Powerhouse HP3000 Migration 

G'day Luan 
I have used PH 8.24 on W2K against a SQL Server 2000 database via MS ODBC 
AND RMS and DB2 databases via Connx ODBC. 
Points: 
1. no 'green' screen available until the new version comes out (soon?).  The

Quick engine is for design purposes only and meant to be run under PH Web. 
The response time is pretty good though, especially as we had users 
connecting to the PH Web forms over 56k modems from across the country. 
2. QTP works fast and well connecting to all the above data sources. 
3. Quiz performance against SQL Server sucks.  However you can improve 
performance by incorporating embedded SQL and database stored procedures. 
For reporting I'd recommend converting to Impromptu except for the rare 
circumstances where only Quiz will do. 
The version due out soon has 'green' screen capability.  I don't know if 
Reflection supports  W2K as a server though. 
Good luck, 
Blue 
-----Original Message----- 
From: lha@bigpond.net.au [ mailto:lha@bigpond.net.au
<mailto:lha@bigpond.net.au> ] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 8:51 AM 
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu 
Subject: Powerhouse HP3000 Migration 

One of my clients has a single PowerHouse app on an old HP3000 running 
MPE/iX v 7.0. The client is part of a large multi-national who want to 
move away from the HP3000 platform. However, we find that PH does the 
job well and the client is very reluctant to spend a whole heap of 
dollars re-writing the app which would end up doing what it does now 
but at higher cost and possibly lower reliability. Although it's a 
single app, it's a core system handling high revenue. One thought I 
have is to move to PH on a Windows NT/W2K server platform, possibly 
using the Eloquence database (PH version due late this year?). 
My questions: what is your experience with running PH on Win NT/2K? I'm 
particularly interested in performance, reliability, interface to 
printers. What databases are you using? 
The client is happy to continue with text-based screens - they 
currently use WQR Reflection which gives the users plenty of options 
for customising the display etc. Can the PH/Win NT combination also be 
customised in this way without going to Axiant or PH Web? 
Any other observations or thoughts welcome! 
Thanks, 
Luan Ha 
Principal Consultant, Padys Pty Ltd. 
Email address : lha@bigpond.net.au 

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size=3D2>Normally you would run it in a "DOS" window (i.e. the Command =
Console=20
window). You can use a Telnet client if it emulates the DOS window, but =
there=20
aren't many that do. However, since the cost is the same (we license by =
user=20
count) you're better off running on the PC rather than as a client. You =
can=20
still access remote databases and use remote screens (i.e. use PROCLOC =
to point=20
to a network drive).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771473218-02072003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771473218-02072003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I=20
wrote an article in SupportLink a few months ago about =
this.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771473218-02072003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771473218-02072003>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bob=20
Deskin&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
</FONT><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Product Manager, Application =
Development=20
Tools, Cognos Inc.</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>bob.deskin@cognos.com=20
(613) 738-1338 ext 7268 FAX: (613) 727-1178</FONT> <BR><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>3755 Riverside Drive P.O. Box 9707 Stn. T, Ottawa ON K1G 4K9=20
CANADA</FONT> </P></SPAN></DIV>
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  <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
  size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tim Cummings=20
  [mailto:tim.cummings@frequencymarketing.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> =
Wednesday, July=20
  02, 2003 2:15 PM<BR><B>To:</B> =
powerh-l@lists.swau.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:=20
  Powerhouse HP3000 Migration<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV class=3DSection1>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle18><FONT face=3DArial =
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  size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: =
12.0pt">Does=20
  the "green screen" run in a dos window or via telnet or in a regular=20
  window?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle18><FONT face=3DArial =
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  size=3D2><SPAN=20
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12.0pt"><![if =
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DTahoma =
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  size=3D2><SPAN=20
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Tahoma">-----Original=20
  Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> =
Deskin,=20
  Bob [mailto:Bob.Deskin@cognos.com]<BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, July 02, 2003 =
11:02=20
  AM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 'Edis, =
Robert';=20
  powerh-l@lists.swau.edu<BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: Powerhouse HP3000 =

Migration
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]><![endif]>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p>
 The "green" =
screen=20
 capability, in other words QUICK, is now available for order on =
Windows=20
 NT/2000/XP. It's version 8.41 and was officially released June=20
 23.<SPAN=20
 style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p>
 Bob=20
 =
Deskin&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"COLOR: black"> <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Product Manager, Application =
Development=20
 Tools, Cognos Inc.=20
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">bob.deskin@cognos.com (613) =
738-1338 ext=20
 7268 FAX: (613) 727-1178<SPAN=20
 style=3D"COLOR: black"> <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">3755 Riverside Drive P.O. Box =
9707 Stn.=20
 T, Ottawa ON K1G 4K9 CANADA<SPAN=20
 style=3D"COLOR: black"> <SPAN=20
 style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p>
 -----Original=20
 Message-----=20
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">From: Edis, Robert [<A=20
 =
href=3D"mailto:Robert.Edis@blistex.com">mailto:Robert.Edis@blistex.com</=
A>]<FONT=20
 color=3Dblack> Sent: =
Wednesday, July 02,=20
 2003 10:04 AM=20
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">To:=20
 powerh-l@lists.swau.edu<SPAN=20
 style=3D"COLOR: black"> <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Subject: RE: Powerhouse =
HP3000=20
 Migration=20
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p>
 <![if !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]>&nbsp;<FONT=20
 color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
 style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p>
 G'day=20
 Luan=20
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p>
 I have used PH =
8.24 on W2K=20
 against a SQL Server 2000 database via MS ODBC<FONT=20
 color=3Dblack> AND RMS and =
DB2 databases=20
 via Connx ODBC.=20
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p>
 Points:<FONT=20
 color=3Dblack> 1. no 'green' =
screen=20
 available until the new version comes out (soon?).&nbsp;=20
 The=20
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Quick engine is for design =
purposes only=20
 and meant to be run under PH Web.<SPAN=20
 style=3D"COLOR: black"> <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">The response time is pretty =
good though,=20
 especially as we had users<SPAN=20
 style=3D"COLOR: black"> <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">connecting to the PH Web =
forms over 56k=20
 modems from across the country.<SPAN=20
 style=3D"COLOR: black"> <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">2. QTP works fast and well =
connecting to=20
 all the above data sources.<SPAN=20
 style=3D"COLOR: black"> <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">3. Quiz performance against =
SQL Server=20
 sucks.&nbsp; However you can improve<SPAN=20
 style=3D"COLOR: black"> <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">performance by incorporating =
embedded=20
 SQL and database stored procedures.<SPAN=20
 style=3D"COLOR: black"> <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">For reporting I'd recommend =
converting=20
 to Impromptu except for the rare<SPAN=20
 style=3D"COLOR: black"> <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">circumstances where only Quiz =
will=20
 do.=20
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p>
 The version =
due out soon=20
 has 'green' screen capability.&nbsp; I don't know =
if<FONT=20
 color=3Dblack> Reflection =
supports&nbsp;=20
 W2K as a server though.<SPAN=20
 style=3D"COLOR: black"> <SPAN=20
 style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p>
 Good=20
 luck,=20
 <SPAN=20
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windowtext"><o:p></o:p>
 Blue<FONT=20
 color=3Dblack> <SPAN=20
 style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
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 -----Original=20
 Message-----=20
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">From: lha@bigpond.net.au [<A=20
 =
href=3D"mailto:lha@bigpond.net.au">mailto:lha@bigpond.net.au</A>]=
<FONT=20
 color=3Dblack> Sent: =
Wednesday, July 02,=20
 2003 8:51 AM=20
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">To:=20
 powerh-l@lists.swau.edu<SPAN=20
 style=3D"COLOR: black"> <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Subject: Powerhouse HP3000=20
 Migration=20
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p>
 <FONT=20
 face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblack size=3D3><SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]><![endif]>&nbsp;<FONT=20
 color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
 style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p>
 One of my =
clients has a=20
 single PowerHouse app on an old HP3000 running <FONT=20
 color=3Dblack> MPE/iX v 7.0. =
The client is=20
 part of a large multi-national who want to <FONT=20
 color=3Dblack> move away from =
the HP3000=20
 platform. However, we find that PH does the <FONT=20
 color=3Dblack> job well and =
the client is=20
 very reluctant to spend a whole heap of <SPAN=20
 style=3D"COLOR: black"> <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">dollars re-writing the app =
which would=20
 end up doing what it does now <SPAN =

style=3D"COLOR: black"> <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">but at higher cost and =
possibly lower=20
 reliability. Although it's a <SPAN=20
 style=3D"COLOR: black"> <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">single app, it's a core =
system handling=20
 high revenue. One thought I <SPAN=20
 style=3D"COLOR: black"> <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">have is to move to PH on a =
Windows=20
 NT/W2K server platform, possibly <SPAN=20
 style=3D"COLOR: black"> <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">using the Eloquence database =
(PH version=20
 due late this year?).<SPAN=20
 style=3D"COLOR: black"> <SPAN=20
 style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p>
 My questions: =
what is your=20
 experience with running PH on Win NT/2K? I'm <FONT=20
 color=3Dblack> particularly =
interested in=20
 performance, reliability, interface to <SPAN=20
 style=3D"COLOR: black"> <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">printers. What databases are =
you=20
 using? =

<SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">The client is happy to =
continue with=20
 text-based screens - they <SPAN=20
 style=3D"COLOR: black"> <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">currently use WQR Reflection =
which gives=20
 the users plenty of options <SPAN=20
 style=3D"COLOR: black"> <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">for customising the display =
etc. Can the=20
 PH/Win NT combination also be <SPAN =

  style=3D"COLOR: black"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">customised in this way =
without going to=20
  Axiant or PH Web?</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN =
style=3D"COLOR: black">=20
  <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Any other observations or =
thoughts=20
  welcome!</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
black">=20
  </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
  style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
  size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: =
black">Thanks,</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
  color=3Dblack><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT =
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
  style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
  size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Luan =
Ha</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
  color=3Dblack><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT =
color=3Dblack=20
  size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Principal =
Consultant, Padys=20
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