PowerHouse on Linux

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Jeff

For such small packages PH nor VB or Java will EVER be viable.  MS Access is
great for small apps, quick to develop in, flexible with forms, reports,
database all rolled into one AND can be sold as a 'compiled' version.  As
long as you have only a handful of users and no more than 2GB of data go
with Access.

Blue

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Hoffman [mailto:wonicon@optushome.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 3:36 PM
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: Re: PowerHouse on Linux

At 12:38 PM 02-04-03 -0800, Chuck Reinke wrote: 

>>>> 

Well this is an interesting economic analysis. Programming talent must be
little valued in Australia. In the US the cost you cite might buy 2 to 10
days of consulting effort in the US. If programmer makes about $10.00/ hr
where you are, maybe it's a real advantage to develop and maintain a system
in C++, visual basic or something like that. 

<<<< 

Very true my friend, however I have this dream, that small business could be
advantaged by purchasing a package developed in PH. 

As we all know it is more cost effective to develop a system using PH and
more versatile with maintenance. 

I ran a shop using 2 developers using PH, doing the same work as another
shop employing upto 10 developers using Powerbuilder. 

How can PC packages be develop using C++ etc that should cost a lot more to
be produced and maintained, be sold for less than a US$500, yet if we did
the same with PH the starting price has to include the US$3,000 PH licence,
before you add development costs. 

I guess I will just keep on dreaming. 

Jeff 

>>>> 

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From: <mailto:mr_lalley@yahoo.com>Craig Lalley 

To: <mailto:wonicon@optushome.com.au>Jeff Hoffman ;
<mailto:powerh-l@lists.swau.edu>powerh-l@lists.swau.edu 

Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:54 PM 

Subject: Re: PowerHouse on Linux 

Jeff Hoffman <<mailto:wonicon@optushome.com.au>wonicon@optushome.com.au>
wrote: 

Another reason that PH will not advance is cost, I was just looking at PH 

8.41 on Win2000 and if I developed a system for a customer there would be 

immediately a $6,000 ($australian approx 3,000 $US) upfront cost for just 

the PH licenece (one developer / five user run-time / five user data 

access) I would then have to recover development costs. This would put the 

Kybo on most projects. 

I remember when the current OS that was happening was OS/2 vs the yet to be
released Win95, circa 1995. That year I went to Comdex. 

IBM was trying to sell thier developers kits for $395 (I think, it may have
been more.) 

Microsoft was giving them away by the handful. 

The rest is history. 

-Craig 

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<DIV>Jeff</DIV>
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such small packages PH nor VB or Java will EVER be viable.&nbsp; MS Access is 
great for small apps, quick to develop in, flexible with forms, reports, 
database all rolled into one AND can be sold as a 'compiled' version.&nbsp; As 
long as you have only a handful of users and no more than 2GB of data go with 
Access.</DIV>
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<DIV>Blue</DIV>
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 <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left>-----Original Message----- From: Jeff Hoffman 
 [mailto:wonicon@optushome.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 
 3:36 PM To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: Re: 
 PowerHouse on Linux </DIV>
 At 12:38 PM 02-04-03 -0800, Chuck Reinke wrote: 
 &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 
 Well this is an interesting economic analysis. 
 Programming talent must be little valued in Australia. In the US the cost you 
 cite might buy 2 to 10 days of consulting effort in the US. If programmer 
 makes about $10.00/ hr where you are, maybe it's a real advantage to develop 
 and maintain a system in C++, visual basic or something like that. 
 
 &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt; 
 Very true my friend, however I have this dream, that small business could 
 be advantaged by purchasing a package developed in PH. 
 As we all know it is more cost effective to develop a system using PH and 
 more versatile with maintenance. 
 I ran a shop using 2 developers using PH, doing the same work as another 
 shop employing upto 10 developers using Powerbuilder. 
 How can PC packages be develop using C++ etc that should cost a lot more to 
 be produced and maintained, be sold for less than a US$500, yet if we did the 
 same with PH the starting price has to include the US$3,000 PH licence, before 
 you add development costs. 
 I guess I will just keep on dreaming. 
 Jeff 
 &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 
 
 ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: &lt;mailto:mr_lalley@yahoo.com&gt;Craig Lalley 
 To: &lt;mailto:wonicon@optushome.com.au&gt;Jeff Hoffman ; 
 &lt;mailto:powerh-l@lists.swau.edu&gt;powerh-l@lists.swau.edu 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:54 PM 
 Subject: Re: PowerHouse on Linux 
 
 
 
 Jeff Hoffman 
 &lt;&lt;mailto:wonicon@optushome.com.au&gt;wonicon@optushome.com.au&gt; 
 wrote: 
 
 Another reason that PH will not advance is cost, I was just looking at 
 PH 
 8.41 on Win2000 and if I developed a system for a customer there would 
 be 
 immediately a $6,000 ($australian approx 3,000 $US) upfront cost for 
 just 
 the PH licenece (one developer / five user run-time / five user data 
 
 access) I would then have to recover development costs. This would put 
 the 
 Kybo on most projects. 
 
 I remember when the current OS that was happening was OS/2 vs the yet to 
 be released Win95, circa 1995. That year I went to Comdex. 
 
 IBM was trying to sell thier developers kits for $395 (I think, it may 
 have been more.) 
 
 Microsoft was giving them away by the handful. 
 
 The rest is history. 
 
 -Craig 
 
 
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