Is powerhouse dead?
Olmos, Fernando(Sericon at Alcoa)
Fernando.Olmos@alcoa.com.au
Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:28:54 +0800
This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand
this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.
------_=_NextPart_001_01C20B56.6D14AE00
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Could I please have that list of organisations in case I need to look for
work elsewhere? Thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: Clarke, Sam [mailto:Sam.Clarke@Cognos.COM]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 9:38
To: 'Steve Heaslip'; powerh-l@cube.swau.edu
Subject: RE: Is powerhouse dead?
Hi Steve,
Not quite dead in Australia based on calls to our Help Desk, I just checked
our stats and since March 1st, 2002 , 30 different organisations in
Australia have placed PowerHouse calls and you weren't on the list.
Definitely down on past years, but looks like there is still life out there.
We continue to have 3 Powerhouse staff on the Help Desk in Sydney.
Rgds..Sam
Sam Clarke
Vice President - IT, Support, Services and Marketing
Asia Pacific Offshore
COGNOS Pty Ltd
Sydney, Australia
Phone : +612 9437 6655
sam.clarke@cognos.com
Fax : +612 9438 1641
www.cognos.com
Notice of Confidentiality
This message is confidential and intended only for the recipient or
recipients named above. It may also be privileged solicitor-client
communication. If you are not the named recipient or a person charged with
delivering this message to the named recipient, you have received this
message in error. Immediately delete the message from your computer. Thank
you.
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Heaslip [mailto:heaslips@ozemail.com.au]
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 11:44 PM
To: 'Olmos, Fernando(Sericon at Alcoa)'; powerh-l@cube.swau.edu
Subject: RE: Is powerhouse dead?
It's certainly dead in Australia. You can count yourself amongst a select
few there at Alcoa, but for how much longer?
I've worked with PowerHouse since version 4.01D on the Vax - and it's sad to
see it going the way of the Tassie Tiger. Most of the larger companies have
replaced their in-house PowerHouse systems with the big packages, while some
of the smaller sites have re-developed their systems with tools such as
PowerBuilder etc, because Cognos was too slow off the mark with a viable
Windows version.
What intrigues me though is how company after company keeps making the same
mistake - they're prepared to spend tens of millions of dollars implementing
a package to replace a system that, at the very worst, probably just needs
an overhaul and an upgrade to PowerHouse Web at a fraction of the cost! And,
after they've spent those millions what have they got? A package that (if
they're lucky) does 80% of what the old system did, a room full of
consultants that charge $300 an hour but have no ability to add a new field
or change the way a particular calculation works when the business rules
change, and a capital expenditure request for several million dollars more
to buy the add-ons needed because all the reports produced by the system are
unreadable in their standard form!
I suppose the problem is that company management just aren't looking at
their own IT departments (and therefore places like Cognos) for the big
solutions anymore - they've usually got one of those big accounting firms
whispering in their ears telling them that once they've signed this piece of
paper life will be easy - there'll be a flood of endorphins, there'll be
peace in the middle east and beer will be 20c a schooner again.
If Cognos are serious about PowerHouse having any sort of future, they need
to start promoting their AD Toolset the way they promote the BI tools - and
not just to us propellerheads. They need to start pitching it to management
- to make management aware that there IS an alternative to spending
mega-millions on the big packages.
It's too late here in Australia for the old, large PowerHouse sites as
they've now invested too much money in the packages, but maybe a new
generation of companies might pick up on PowerHouse as a development tool
that will allow them to build customised solutions at a fraction of the cost
of a package, if Cognos can get out there and market it that way.
I wonder if the dinosaurs had dreams like this as that meteor streaked
across the sky? :-)
Steve Heaslip.
-----Original Message-----
From: powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu]On
Behalf Of Olmos, Fernando(Sericon at Alcoa)
Sent: Friday, 31 May 2002 3:45 PM
To: 'powerh-l@cube.swau.edu'
Subject: Is powerhouse dead?
How many of you are now dedicating (or already done so) your time porting
your Powerhouse system(s) to the Windows platform? It seems most large
companies have already signed on the dotted line to either have PeoplSoft,
SAP, Oracle or some other "fancy" system take over the
true-tried-and-trusted text-terminal systems. The logistics of these
exercises make ENRON crashes seem like kids play.
This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you
have received this e-mail in error or are not the intended recipient, you
may not use, copy, disseminate or distribute it; do not open any
attachments, delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender
promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank you.
------_=_NextPart_001_01C20B56.6D14AE00
Content-Type: text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Diso-8859-1">
<TITLE></TITLE>
<META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD>
<BODY>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D168142823-03062002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Could=20
I please have that list of organisations in case I need to look for =
work=20
elsewhere? Thanks</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px =
solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Clarke, Sam=20
[mailto:Sam.Clarke@Cognos.COM]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 03, 2002 =
9:38=20
<BR><B>To:</B> 'Steve Heaslip'; =
powerh-l@cube.swau.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:=20
Is powerhouse dead?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D139473223-02062002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Hi=20
Steve,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D139473223-02062002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D139473223-02062002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Not=20
quite dead in Australia based on calls to our Help Desk, I just =
checked our=20
stats and since March 1st, 2002 , 30 different organisations in =
Australia have=20
placed PowerHouse calls and you weren't on the =
list.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D139473223-02062002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D139473223-02062002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Definitely down on past years, but looks like there is still =
life out=20
there. We continue to have 3 Powerhouse staff on the Help Desk in=20
Sydney.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D139473223-02062002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D139473223-02062002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Rgds..Sam</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D139473223-02062002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D139473223-02062002>
<P><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Sam =
Clarke</FONT>=20
<BR><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Vice =
President=20
-</FONT><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#0000ff size=3D2> IT, =
Support,=20
Services and Marketing</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Asia Pacific</FONT><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>=20
Offshore</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>COGNOS=20
Pty Ltd</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Sydney,=20
Australia</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Phone :=20
+612 9437=20
=
6655 &n=
bsp; &n=
bsp; =20
</FONT><BR><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>sam.clarke@cognos.com</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman"=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Fax : =
+612 9438=20
=
1641 &n=
bsp; &n=
bsp; =20
</FONT><BR><U><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>www.cognos.com</FONT></U> </P><BR>
<P><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Notice of=20
Confidentiality</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3D#000000=20
size=3D2>This message is confidential and intended only for the =
recipient or=20
recipients named above. It may also be privileged solicitor-client=20
communication. If you are not the named recipient or a person charged =
with
delivering this message to the named recipient, you have received =
this message=20
in error. Immediately delete the message from your computer. Thank=20
you.</FONT></P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D139473223-02062002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D139473223-02062002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Steve Heaslip=20
[mailto:heaslips@ozemail.com.au]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, June 01, =
2002=20
11:44 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Olmos, Fernando(Sericon at Alcoa)';=20
powerh-l@cube.swau.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Is powerhouse=20
dead?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D160101712-01062002>It's certainly=20
dead in Australia. You can count yourself amongst a select few =
there at=20
Alcoa, but for how much longer?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D160101712-01062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D160101712-01062002>I've worked with=20
PowerHouse since version 4.01D on the Vax - and it's sad to see it =
going the=20
way of the Tassie Tiger. Most of the larger companies have =
replaced=20
their in-house PowerHouse systems with the big packages, while some =
of the=20
smaller sites have re-developed their systems with tools such=20
as PowerBuilder etc, because Cognos was too slow off the mark =
with a=20
viable Windows version.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D160101712-01062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D160101712-01062002>What intrigues=20
me though is how company after company keeps making the same =
mistake -=20
they're prepared to spend tens of millions of dollars implementing =
a package=20
to replace a system that, at the very worst, probably just needs an =
overhaul=20
and an upgrade to PowerHouse Web at a fraction of the cost! And, =
after=20
they've spent those millions what have they got? A package=20
that (if they're lucky) does 80% of what the old system =
did, a=20
room full of consultants that charge $300 an hour but have no =
ability=20
to add a new field or change the way a particular calculation works =
when the=20
business rules change, and a capital expenditure request =
for several=20
million dollars more to buy the add-ons needed because all the =
reports=20
produced by the system are unreadable in their standard form!=20
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D160101712-01062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D160101712-01062002>I =
suppose the=20
problem is that company management just aren't looking at =
their own IT=20
departments (and therefore places like Cognos) for the big =
solutions anymore=20
- they've usually got one of those big accounting firms whispering =
in their=20
ears telling them that once they've signed this piece of paper life =
will be=20
easy - there'll be a flood of endorphins, there'll be peace in the =
middle=20
east and beer will be 20c a schooner=20
again. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D160101712-01062002></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D160101712-01062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D160101712-01062002>If Cognos are=20
serious about PowerHouse having any sort of future, they need to =
start=20
promoting their AD Toolset the way they promote the BI tools - and =
not just=20
to us propellerheads. They need to start pitching it =
to management - to=20
make management aware that there IS an alternative to spending =
mega-millions on the big packages. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D160101712-01062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D160101712-01062002>It's too late=20
here in Australia for the old, large PowerHouse sites as they've =
now=20
invested too much money in the packages, but maybe a new generation =
of=20
companies might pick up on PowerHouse as a development tool that =
will allow=20
them to build customised solutions at a fraction of the cost of a =
package,=20
if Cognos can get out there and market it that =
way.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D160101712-01062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D160101712-01062002>I =
wonder if the=20
dinosaurs had dreams like this as that meteor streaked across the =
sky?=20
:-)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D160101712-01062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff><SPAN class=3D160101712-01062002>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000=20
size=3D2><STRONG><U></U></STRONG></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT =
size=3D2>Steve=20
Heaslip<SPAN=20
=
class=3D160101712-01062002>.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000=20
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D160101712-01062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D160101712-01062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D160101712-01062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu =
[mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu]<B>On=20
Behalf Of </B>Olmos, Fernando(Sericon at Alcoa)<BR><B>Sent:</B> =
Friday, 31=20
May 2002 3:45 PM<BR><B>To:</B> =
'powerh-l@cube.swau.edu'<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
Is powerhouse dead?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>How many of you =
are now=20
dedicating (or already done so) your time porting your Powerhouse =
system(s)=20
to the Windows platform? It seems most large companies have already =
signed=20
on the dotted line to either have PeoplSoft, SAP, Oracle or some =
other=20
"fancy" system take over the true-tried-and-trusted text-terminal =
systems.=20
The logistics of these exercises make ENRON crashes seem like kids=20
play.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This message may contain privileged =
and/or=20
confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error =
or are not=20
the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disseminate or =
distribute it;=20
do not open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system =
and notify=20
the sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank=20
you.</FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
------_=_NextPart_001_01C20B56.6D14AE00--