Is PH dead?
Edis, Bob
BEdis@usbnc.org
Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:42:15 -0500
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I think that Sam has identified an annoying trend by recruiters and IT
management. This is that they believe because the market is flat they can
demand the world (for low rates I might add) and get it. Most of the jobs
I've seen lately, especially for PH, demand such a specific set of disparate
skills that virtually nobody except the person who just left the position
can fill it. Plus many recruiters out there are even MORE ignorant of the
tool sets and client requirement than they were two years ago when people
were truly scarce.
E.g. three years plus expert in DecisionStream. The tool hasn't been out
long enough for that!
I've seen the same job here in the Chicago suburbs advertised by at least 6
different recruiters on DICE demanding high expertise in a wide variety of
skills, Cognos (5 -7 years), Oracle (min 5 years), ETL, etc. The rates
vary greatly but overall are quite low and they can't even get the suburb
right ranging from Des Plaines to Lake Forest (20 miles). I know it's the
same job as the "must haves" are always the same.
Sorry for the rant but it has been a frustrating last few months.
Blue
-----Original Message-----
From: Sam DeLeese [mailto:sdeleese@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 11:40 AM
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: Is PH dead?
Is PowerHouse Dead? Empirical evidence here in Southern California would
suggest that if it is not already dead, it is certainly on life support. I
was laid off last November, and I think I can count on one hand, (okay,
maybe both) the number of PH jobs that have been advertised. Most of these
jobs also required knowledge of Oracle or Manman, neither of which I have.
But the point is, there are vitually no jobs in SoCal for PH programmers. I
was working in an Alpha shop, and for the last year and a half, I was
working almost exclusively with PHWeb. The new management at this company,
which laid me off, has also decided that they do not want to develop anymore
web apps with PHWeb. They think it is too proprietary, they want something
more open. They think it will easier for them to hire web programmers if
what they are developing in is more main stream. Anyway, I am beginning my
8th month of this lay off, and I! have had one phone interview for a
potential PHWeb position (the company was thinking about purchasing PHWeb,
they didn't) and 1 face-to-face interview for a PH programming job, but my
lack of knowledge of Manman ultimately sunk me. I am going to be beginning
classes soon to get a certificate in Oracle DBA and programming. I learned
Powerhouse back when Cognos was still known as Quasar. I love PH and PHWeb,
but for every 1 PH ad, there are at least 15 Oracle ads. What are you going
to do? I have over 15 years of experience with PH on both OpenVMS and MPE
platforms, and I feel as if I am an endangered species, almost extinct.
If anyone in SoCal reads this, I would love to hear your take on the current
job market for PH programmers.
Regards,
Sam DeLeese
sdeleese@deleeseconsulting.com
visit us at WWW.DELEESECONSULTING.COM
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=994443217-03062002>I
think that Sam has identified an annoying trend by recruiters and IT
management. This is that they believe because the market is flat they can
demand the world (for low rates I might add) and get it. Most of the jobs
I've seen lately, especially for PH, demand such a specific set of disparate
skills that virtually nobody except the person who just left the position can
fill it. Plus many recruiters out there are even MORE ignorant of the tool
sets and client requirement than they were two years ago when people were truly
scarce.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=994443217-03062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=994443217-03062002>E.g.
three years plus expert in DecisionStream. The tool hasn't been out long
enough for that!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=994443217-03062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=994443217-03062002>I've
seen the same job here in the Chicago suburbs advertised by at least 6 different
recruiters on DICE demanding high expertise in a wide variety of skills, Cognos
(5 -7 years), Oracle (min 5 years), ETL, etc. The rates vary greatly
but overall are quite low and they can't even get the suburb right ranging from
Des Plaines to Lake Forest (20 miles). I know it's the same job as the
"must haves" are always the same.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=994443217-03062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=994443217-03062002>Sorry
for the rant but it has been a frustrating last few months.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=994443217-03062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=994443217-03062002>Blue</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Sam DeLeese
[mailto:sdeleese@yahoo.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 03, 2002 11:40
AM<BR><B>To:</B> powerh-l@lists.swau.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> Is PH
dead?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<P>Is PowerHouse Dead? Empirical evidence here in Southern California
would suggest that if it is not already dead, it is certainly on life
support. I was laid off last November, and I think I can count on one
hand, (okay, maybe both) the number of PH jobs that have been
advertised. Most of these jobs also <EM>required </EM>knowledge of
Oracle or Manman, neither of which I have. But the point is, there are
vitually no jobs in SoCal for PH programmers. I was working in an Alpha
shop, and for the last year and a half, I was working almost exclusively with
PHWeb. The new management at this company, which laid me off, has also
decided that they do not want to develop anymore web apps with PHWeb.
They think it is too proprietary, they want something more open. They
think it will easier for them to hire web programmers if what they are
developing in is more main stream. Anyway, I am beginning my 8th month
of this lay off, and I! have had one phone interview for a potential PHWeb
position (the company was thinking about purchasing PHWeb, they didn't) and 1
face-to-face interview for a PH programming job, but my lack of knowledge of
Manman ultimately sunk me. I am going to be beginning classes soon to
get a certificate in Oracle DBA and programming. I learned Powerhouse
back when Cognos was still known as Quasar. I love PH and PHWeb, but for
every 1 PH ad, there are at least 15 Oracle ads. What are you going to
do? I have over 15 years of experience with PH on both OpenVMS and MPE
platforms, and I feel as if I am an endangered species, almost extinct.
<P>If anyone in SoCal reads this, I would love to hear your take on the
current job market for PH programmers.</P><BR><BR><BR><BR>Regards,<BR>Sam
DeLeese<BR>sdeleese@deleeseconsulting.com<BR>visit us at
WWW.DELEESECONSULTING.COM
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