Stunning relicense quote

Wed Nov 2 15:30:41 CDT 2016

Hi folks, I just wanted to add some additional information to this thread.
We have gotten calls from some other Cognos customers facing the same
decision. Feel free to contact me to learn about some of the options we have
for PowerHouse transformation. We still offer clients the Core-Directed and
Self-Directed business models and offer migration to .NET, Java and Scala.
Feel free to contact me at 613 791-1386 or by email for more information.

Regards,

Garry Whitworth
CIO
www.coremigration.com
Office (613) 727-5051 x 201
Cell (613) 791 1386 
gwhitworth at coremigration.com

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   1. RE:[Bulk] RE: Stunning relicense quote (Charles Finley)
   2. Re:[Bulk] RE: Stunning relicense quote (Craig Lalley)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 06:36:53 -0700
From: "Charles Finley" <cfinley at xformix.com>
Subject: RE: [Bulk] RE: Stunning relicense quote
To: "'Ken Langendock'" <Ken at Langendock.com>,	"'Herald Kaffka'"
	<Herald.Kaffka at westfraser.com>,	"'Craig Lalley'"
	<mr_lalley at yahoo.com>,	"'Ron Seybold'" <rseybold at sbcglobal.net>,
	<powerh-l at lists.sowder.com>
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If it is true, it is difficult to imagine that this is a sustainable model.
The price makes it worthwhile to move away from Powerhouse entirely. 

Charles Finley

(619) 795-0720

From: powerh-l-bounces+cfinley=xformix.com at lists.sowder.com
[mailto:powerh-l-bounces+cfinley=xformix.com at lists.sowder.com] On Behalf Of
Ken Langendock
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 6:00 AM
To: cfinley at xformix.com; 'Herald Kaffka'; 'Craig Lalley'; 'Ron Seybold';
powerh-l at lists.sowder.com
Subject: RE: [Bulk] RE: Stunning relicense quote

>From what I have heard, nothing is included in the licence, they are just
trying to make back what they invested so far, quickly.

Sounds like a dumb-a$$ thing to do if you ask me.

Powerhouse was always looked over because of run time licence cost. These
guys just haven?t learned that yet it seams.

As for different platforms, there are things that you can do to make this
process easier.

1)     Stop using dashes and under scores in your field/file naming
conventions (mixed case works great, fields are singular, files are plural).

2)     Use Segmented Keys, do not substructure anything in your files.

3)     Stop hard coding machine specific code. I created a launch system
that works on all machine platforms (except as400, never worked on that one)
without changing anything.

4)     Stop hard coding groups (on HP3000), run your app using scripts (QKS,
sets location to exe, proclocs to source. QTC, sets location to subgroup,
proclocs to exe. Etc)

Ken

From: powerh-l-bounces+ken.langendock=rogers.com at lists.sowder.com
[mailto:powerh-l-bounces+ken.langendock=rogers.com at lists.sowder.com] On
Behalf Of Charles Finley
Sent: November 1, 2016 1:02 PM
To: 'Herald Kaffka' <Herald.Kaffka at westfraser.com>; 'Craig Lalley'
<mr_lalley at yahoo.com>; 'Ron Seybold' <rseybold at sbcglobal.net>;
powerh-l at lists.sowder.com
Subject: [Bulk] RE: Stunning relicense quote

Herald raises an important point about a platform change.  Focusing on the
base language is misleading at best.  What he identifies as the background
processing/shell scripting, etc.  Is usually more difficult to migrate than
the base application.  Therefore, I suspect that there could be more to the
story than simply the Powerhouse license.  For example, if the customer has
some dependent 3GL code such as COBOL, a few 3rd party products such as
Suprtool, MPEX along with JCL, UDC?S, Command Files the cost to migrate all
of that and the database and other file types could well exceed the price of
the Powerhouse license.  Further, there are some differences in how
Powerhouse on a Linux platform uses databases and adaptations must be made
for those. 

It will be interesting to see what all was quoted, if anything, along with
the Powerhouse license. 

Charles Finley

(619) 795-0720

From: powerh-l-bounces+cfinley=xformix.com at lists.sowder.com
[mailto:powerh-l-bounces+cfinley=xformix.com at lists.sowder.com] On Behalf Of
Herald Kaffka
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 7:58 AM
To: Craig Lalley; Ron Seybold; powerh-l at lists.sowder.com
Subject: RE: Stunning relicense quote

Big part of those costs ?should? be related to how much background
processing/Shell scripting you have.

The Native Powerhouse portion should not require much programming effort,
but batch/embedded shell scripts

Are an entirely different can of worms.

If that?s simply a software licensing quote, then somebody really is pushing
their migration consulting services?

(We looked at moving from VMS to LINUX at one point, it wasn?t the Native
Powerhouse portion that nixed the ideal, 

It was the Batch/Shell scripting work).  Decision was to ?support in place?
until such a time as we hit ?replace in total?.

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 13:44:21 +0000 (UTC)
From: Craig Lalley <mr_lalley at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: Stunning relicense quote
To: "cfinley at xformix.com" <cfinley at xformix.com>,	"'Ken Langendock'"
	<Ken at Langendock.com>,	"'Herald Kaffka'"
	<Herald.Kaffka at westfraser.com>,	"'Ron Seybold'"
	<rseybold at sbcglobal.net>,	"powerh-l at lists.sowder.com"
	<powerh-l at lists.sowder.com>
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If I remember correctly, my customer was paying 37k per year for
maintenance.
Powerhouse was promoting a free transfer of licenses from MPE to HP-UX at
the time (years ago).The cost of the "free" transfer was north of 30k.???
The customer stole from maintenance budget to pay for the transfer, with the
plan of moving off of HP-UX ASAP.
-Craig

      From: Charles Finley <cfinley at xformix.com>
 To: 'Ken Langendock' <Ken at Langendock.com>; 'Herald Kaffka'
<Herald.Kaffka at westfraser.com>; 'Craig Lalley' <mr_lalley at yahoo.com>; 'Ron
Seybold' <rseybold at sbcglobal.net>; powerh-l at lists.sowder.com 
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difficult to imagine that this is a sustainable model. The price makes it
worthwhile to move away from Powerhouse entirely. !
  ?Charles Finley(619) 795-0720 ?From:
powerh-l-bounces+cfinley=xformix.com at lists.sowder.com
[mailto:powerh-l-bounces+cfinley=xformix.com at lists.sowder.com] On Behalf Of
Ken Langendock
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 6:00 AM
To: cfinley at xformix.com; 'Herald Kaffka'; 'Craig Lalley'; 'Ron Seybold';
powerh-l at lists.sowder.com
Subject: RE: [Bulk] RE: Stunning relicense quote ?From what I have heard,
nothing is included in the licence, they are just trying to make back what
they invested so far, quickly.Sounds like a dumb-a$$ thing to do if you ask
me.Powerhouse was always looked over because of run time licence cost. These
guys just haven?t learned that yet it seams. ?As for different platforms,
there are things that you can do to make this process easier.1)???? Stop
using dashes and under scores in your field/file naming conventions (mixed
case works great, fields are singular, files are plural).2)???? Use
Segmented Keys, do not substructure anything in your files.3)???? Stop hard
coding machine specific code. I created a launch system that works on all
machine platforms (except as400, never worked on that one) without changing
anything.4)???? Stop hard coding groups (on HP3000), run your app using
scripts (QKS, sets location to exe, proclocs to source. QTC, sets location
to subgroup, proclocs to!
  exe. Etc) ?Ken ?From:
powerh-l-bounces+ken.langendock=rogers.com at lists.sowder.com
[mailto:powerh-l-bounces+ken.langendock=rogers.com at lists.sowder.com] On
Behalf Of Charles Finley
Sent: November 1, 2016 1:02 PM
To: 'Herald Kaffka' <Herald.Kaffka at westfraser.com>; 'Craig Lalley'
<mr_lalley at yahoo.com>; 'Ron Seybold' <rseybold at sbcglobal.net>;
powerh-l at lists.sowder.com
Subject: [Bulk] RE: Stunning relicense quote ?Herald raises an important
point about a platform change. ?Focusing on the base language is misleading
at best.? What he identifies as the background processing/shell scripting,
etc.? Is usually more difficult to migrate than the base application.?
Therefore, I suspect that there could be more to the story than simply the
Powerhouse license.? For example, if the customer has some dependent 3GL
code such as COBOL, a few 3rd party products such as Suprtool, MPEX along
with JCL, UDC?S, Command Files the cost to migrate all of that and the
database and other file types could well exceed the price of the Powerhouse
license.? Further, there are some differences in how Powerhouse on a Linux
platform uses databases and adaptations must be made for those.  ?It will be
interesting to see what all was quoted, if anything, along with the
Powerhouse license.  ?Charles Finley(619) 795-0720 ?From:
powerh-l-bounces+cfinley=xformix.com at lists.sowd!
 er.com [mailto:powerh-l-bounces+cfinley=xformix.com at lists.sowder.com] On
Behalf Of Herald Kaffka
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 7:58 AM
To: Craig Lalley; Ron Seybold; powerh-l at lists.sowder.com
Subject: RE: Stunning relicense quote ?Big part of those costs ?should? be
related to how much background processing/Shell scripting you have.The
Native Powerhouse portion should not require much programming effort, but
batch/embedded shell scriptsAre an entirely different can of worms. ?If
that?s simply a software licensing quote, then somebody really is pushing
their migration consulting services? ?(We looked at moving from VMS to LINUX
at one point, it wasn?t the Native Powerhouse portion that nixed the ideal,
It was the Batch/Shell scripting work).? Decision was to ?support in place?
until such a time as we hit ?replace in total?. ? ? ?
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