PH future

[Karen Barrett]

Mike, I've never done a PH to PH web conversion but did migrate from PH/HP3000 to .Net.  What an expensive, time-consuming mess.
Karen

From: mgo at columbus.rr.com
To: cfinley at xformix.com; kbarrett00 at hotmail.com; powerh-l at lists.sowder.com
Subject: RE: PH future
Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 21:22:52 -0400

We had a project to migrate from the HP3000 platform a few years ago. I was told to compare a conversion to PH web and a fully Java design. We estimated it would take 7 developers 3 years to do the Java or 4 programmers 2 months to move to PH web. The PH web was chosen. We delivered ahead of schedule and zero defects.  How many Java apps can claim that?Mike Godsey  From: powerh-l-bounces+mgo=columbus.rr.com at lists.sowder.com [mailto:powerh-l-bounces+mgo=columbus.rr.com at lists.sowder.com] On Behalf Of Charles Finley
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 20:58
To: 'Karen Barrett'; 'PowerhouseList Post'
Subject: RE: PH future Karen writes:… . By my calculation, it would cost 2 - 5M to replace. Inexpensive to maintain. With that kind of financial incentive, PH will be around a long time.  …” This makes sense, however, it does not ensure anything.  I have seen a full gamut of behaviors that would contradict this.  Here are a few examples: 1.     One prospect hired their web content developer to “completely replace” a working application in 6 months because the developers assured them that the 300 program project could be replaced in that amount of time. This was done against the advice of the existing developer and, initially, without consulting her.  4 months into the project the web developer asked the programmer for a printout of the database structures. They were TurboIMAGE schema’s so they needed the HP 3000 developer to explain them. The VP running the project who hired the web developers suggested that they print out all of the data in the database and have volunteers do the data entry.  When the programmer pointed out that there could be lots of errors she stopped getting invited to the meetings.  I last heard that the system was finally going into testing 2 years late.  What did that cost?  This was a non-profit and they did it to save money!  Also, as an extra incentive they would have nice web screens instead of those dull terminal screens.  2.     Another example, is a working system that might be replaced for about $80 million dollars because it does not comply with  “best practices”.  Best practice for this particular application is to use a package.  The existing application works, and it is relatively inexpensive to maintain.  3.     Another was an S&L that was acquired by another larger company in the late 1990’s.  The CIO was in his early 30’s and wanted to get rid of anything old.  They had the money at the time, so he got his way.  BTW, the company did not survive the downturn.  4.     Several other examples involve large ERP implementations such as SAP due to either corporate mandate or mergers.   There are others.  The ERP ones can perhaps be explained away, however, some of these cannot. Rational reasons and sensibility only matter sometimes.  Perhaps  at your company, it might be the usual thing and that’s why you expect it.  It is not done that way everywhere.    Charles Finley(619) 795-0720 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting            (619) 795-0720      end_of_the_skype_highlighting From: Karen Barrett [mailto:kbarrett00 at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 1:46 PM
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Subject: PH future We use a PH system for 24/7 WIP. Been running great since the 80's and still developing on it. By my calculation, it would cost 2 - 5M to replace. Inexpensive to maintain. With that kind of financial incentive, PH will be around a long time.  As for the programmers getting grey, PH is easy to learn. Karen
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