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Mike, I've never done a PH to PH web conversion but did migrate from PH/HP3000 to .Net. What an expensive, time-consuming mess.<div><br></div><div>Karen<br><br><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: mgo@columbus.rr.com<br>To: cfinley@xformix.com; kbarrett00@hotmail.com; powerh-l@lists.sowder.com<br>Subject: RE: PH future<br>Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 21:22:52 -0400<br><br><style><!--
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--></style><div class="ecxWordSection1"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We had a project to migrate from the HP3000 platform a few years ago. I was told to compare a conversion to PH web and a fully Java design. We estimated it would take 7 developers 3 years to do the Java or 4 programmers 2 months to move to PH web. The PH web was chosen. We delivered ahead of schedule and zero defects. How many Java apps can claim that?</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Mike Godsey</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> powerh-l-bounces+mgo=columbus.rr.com@lists.sowder.com [mailto:powerh-l-bounces+mgo=columbus.rr.com@lists.sowder.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Charles Finley<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 01, 2012 20:58<br><b>To:</b> 'Karen Barrett'; 'PowerhouseList Post'<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: PH future</span></p></div></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Karen writes:</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">… . By my calculation, it would cost 2 - 5M to replace. Inexpensive to maintain. With that kind of financial incentive, PH will be around a long time. …”</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">This makes sense, however, it does not ensure anything. I have seen a full gamut of behaviors that would contradict this. Here are a few examples:</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><span style="">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">One prospect hired their web content developer to “completely replace” a working application in 6 months because the developers assured them that the 300 program project could be replaced in that amount of time. This was done against the advice of the existing developer and, initially, without consulting her. 4 months into the project the web developer asked the programmer for a printout of the database structures. They were TurboIMAGE schema’s so they needed the HP 3000 developer to explain them. The VP running the project who hired the web developers suggested that they print out all of the data in the database and have volunteers do the data entry. When the programmer pointed out that there could be lots of errors she stopped getting invited to the meetings. I last heard that the system was finally going into testing 2 years late. What did that cost? This was a non-profit and they did it to save money! Also, as an extra incentive they would have nice web screens instead of those dull terminal screens. </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><span style="">2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Another example, is a working system that might be replaced for about $80 million dollars because it does not comply with “best practices”. Best practice for this particular application is to use a package. The existing application works, and it is relatively inexpensive to maintain.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><span style="">3.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Another was an S&L that was acquired by another larger company in the late 1990’s. The CIO was in his early 30’s and wanted to get rid of anything old. They had the money at the time, so he got his way. BTW, the company did not survive the downturn. </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><span style="">4.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Several other examples involve large ERP implementations such as SAP due to either corporate mandate or mergers. </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">There are others. The ERP ones can perhaps be explained away, however, some of these cannot. Rational reasons and sensibility only matter sometimes. Perhaps at your company, it might be the usual thing and that’s why you expect it. It is not done that way everywhere. </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Charles Finley</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span class="skype_pnh_print_container_1335895052">(619) 795-0720</span><span class="skype_pnh_container" dir="ltr" tabindex="-1"><span class="skype_pnh_mark"> begin_of_the_skype_highlighting</span> <span class="skype_pnh_highlighting_inactive_common" dir="ltr" skypeaction="skype_dropdown" title="Click to make a low cost call with Skype"><span class="skype_pnh_left_span" skypeaction="skype_dropdown" title="Skype actions"> </span><span class="skype_pnh_dropart_span" skypeaction="skype_dropdown" title="Skype actions"><span class="skype_pnh_dropart_flag_span" skypeaction="skype_dropdown" style="background-position:-5849px 1px !important;"> </span> </span><span class="skype_pnh_textarea_span"><span class="skype_pnh_text_span">(619) 795-0720</span></span><span class="skype_pnh_right_span"> </span></span> <span class="skype_pnh_mark">end_of_the_skype_highlighting</span></span></span></p></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Karen Barrett [<a href="mailto:kbarrett00@hotmail.com">mailto:kbarrett00@hotmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 01, 2012 1:46 PM<br><b>To:</b> PowerhouseList Post<br><b>Subject:</b> PH future</span></p></div></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">We use a PH system for 24/7 WIP. Been running great since the 80's and still developing on it. By my calculation, it would cost 2 - 5M to replace. Inexpensive to maintain. With that kind of financial incentive, PH will be around a long time. As for the programmers getting grey, PH is easy to learn.</span></p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Karen</span></p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font face="Tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">> 1. Re:Is there a future for PowerHouse? 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