powerh-l Digest, Vol 43, Issue 22

Mon Dec 29 23:14:20 CST 2008

Vicki and the group,

Thanks for the suggestions.

I am confident now that QTP is not the problem.  I don't believe it is
doing anything it shouldn't in terms of bypassing IMAGE.

I will fix things with a DBUNLOAD and a DBLOAD to a freshly created
database.  

Walter  

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From: powerh-l-bounces+wmurray=surewest.net at lists.sowder.com
[mailto:powerh-l-bounces+wmurray=surewest.net at lists.sowder.com] On
Behalf Of Alan and Vicki
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 10:40 AM
To: powerh-l at lists.sowder.com
Subject: Re: powerh-l Digest, Vol 43, Issue 22

Last I knew, QTP uses HP Image intrinsics and does not bypass them.  If
you 
delete entries from a detail dataset, Image will automatic delete the 
associated entries in the related automatic master, but not the manual 
master.  If you try to delete from a manual master and there are
associated 
detailed records with the key, it will give you an error.  If you're not

trying to delete records in this QTP run, then the problem may be with
the 
database itself, as you seem to already suspect.

My best advice would be to use HP utilities (I believe DBunload/DBload -

can't remember for sure) to clean out your database and start from 
scratch -- sounds like it could be corrupted -- perhaps a bad case of 
migrating secondaries, or some sort of broken links, etc.  In any event,
I 
would try to get that worked out first and unloading/reloading your
database 
will give you a nice clean start.  If it is one QTP run only that is
causing 
the issue, then perhaps there is something wonky about it, but without 
seeing the code, it is difficult to assess.  Another thing to keep in 
mind -- at least, from the good ol' days -- it is always recommended to
use 
a prime number when sizing datasets -- in fact, I think the HP Image
manuals 
used to have a list of prime numbers in the back of the book for just
that 
purpose -- it will help eliminate some issues with having key values
resolve 
to the same address which can ultimately cause corruption in the
database.

DBGeneral is a good product, but like most 'cheater' utilities, it does
not 
do the same thing as the Image utilities when it comes to straightening
out 
a database -- it may be painful, but if you can swing it, I would try
the 
clean slate approach first -- make sure you have a good backup of the 
database first, of course.  When you see these kinds of problem
recurring, 
it is often indicative of a database that has integrity issues between
the 
detail and master datasets.

Good luck!

Vicki

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> From: "Walter J. Murray" <wmurray at surewest.net>
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> Peter and the group,
>
> I have eliminated QTP from the picture.  I can duplicate the problem
> with a COBOL program calling DBPUT directly.
>
> The only way I know to eliminate Bradmark (DBGENERAL) from the picture
> is to rebuild the database using only HP utilities, which I am in the
> process of doing.
>
> I'll post what I learn.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Walter
>
> Walter J. Murray
>
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> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 10:52 AM
> To: walter murray; PowerHouse List
> Subject: RE: TurboIMAGE database being corrupted by QTP
>
> Hi Walter:
> ?
> ??? You say:- "I can duplicate the problem consistently on a test
> machine."
> ????This is good.
> ??? I would try it without Bradmark in the picture. Just to eliminate
> one vendor.
> ??? If it reproduces without Bradmark great. If not I would call them
to
> see
> ??? if they can debug this problem.
> ?
> Regards,
> Peter Bateman
> ?
> ???
> ???
>
>
>> From: wmurray at surewest.ne
>> To: powerh-l at lists.sowder.com
>> Subject: TurboIMAGE database being corrupted by QTP
>> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:02:53 -0800
>>
>> [Also posted to HP3000-L]
>>
>> TurboIMAGE database being corrupted by QTP
>>
>> Please help me get to the root of this problem. It looks like either
a
>> bug in TurboIMAGE (I hope not!) or a bug in PowerHouse 4GL (hard to
>> imagine).
>>
>> Environment: MPE/iX 7.5 PP3, PowerHouse 8.39.C1.
>>
>> I have this production database that occasionally gets corrupted
> during
>> a QTP run. I can duplicate the problem consistently on a test
machine.
>> I don't just mean corrupted with bad data--I mean structural errors
in
>> the database. The errors always seem to be associated with a
> particular
>> detail data set. DBGENERAL typically reports the errors as (1) FREE
>> SPACE COUNT INCONSISTENT, (2) DELETE CHAIN MISSING ENTRIES, and (3)
>> DELETE CHAIN BROKEN. Sometimes there are also structural errors
> related
>> to the paths between this detail data set and the two related
> automatic
>> masters. I can repair the damage with DBGENERAL, but the database
gets
>> corrupted again in a few days.
>>
>> QTP reports the problem with these error messages:
>> "Data access error."
>> "Action Taken: Run terminated."
>> "MPE FILE ERROR 0 RETURNED BY FREADDIR ON ROOT FILE"
>>
>> After QTP terminates the run, I check the database and find it
>> corrupted.
>>
>> I am thinking that TurboIMAGE usually does an excellent job of
>> protecting itself against structural errors. Without using PM, it
>> shouldn't be possible for an application to damage a database in this
>> way. I wonder whether QTP always uses the IMAGE intrinsics, or
whether
>> it might sometimes sidestep IMAGE and modify internal database
>> structures directly. Does anybody know?
>>
>> The detail data set in question has about 15,000,000 entries. It is
>> enabled for dynamic expansion, but the current capacity is still
equal
>> to the initial capacity, so no expansion has occurred yet. None of
the
>> master data sets is enabled for dynamic expansion. The data set is
>> related to two automatic masters, and both of those paths are sorted.
>>
>> I've placed a support call with COGNOS, but they haven't come up with
>> anything yet. I also plan to place calls to HP and Bradmark. Can
>> anybody help in the mean time? Thanks.
>>
>> Walter
>>
>> Walter J. Murray
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 

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