Anyone have Moved from VMS to WINDOWS? - hijack,
great things about AS/400
Michael Lee
Michael.Lee@mclsystemsinc.com
Wed, 09 Mar 2005 14:11:15 -0800
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Ahhh yes, that's right. It's been a few years so I'd forgotten that
feature.
Mike
Latimer, Richard wrote:
> and don't forget the most useful feature of all - the ability for ANY
> file on the machine to be treated as a subfile ...
>
> eg
> access *production(datafile)
> select whatever you like
> output testing(datafile)
>
> cheers
> Richard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com
> [mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com] On Behalf Of Michael Lee
> Sent: Thursday, 10 March 2005 6:01 a.m.
> To: Ken@Langendock.com
> Cc: Joe Boyle; 'Deskin, Bob'; powerh-l@lists.sowder.com
> Subject: Re: Anyone have Moved from VMS to WINDOWS?
>
> Hi Ken,
>
> I wasn't a big fan of AS/400 myself. In fact I told our mutual
> friend Mark Stenzler that I would never work on an AS/400... then
> someone offered me some money and I became a tad more flexible.
> After working on it for 3 to 4 years I came to appreciate it's
> strengths and benefits. It's a very complete , secure
> system-albeit very different from any other operating system.
>
> I would agree that migration to AS/400 would probably be harder
> than any other machine due to it's panel mode processing and the
> fact that it's EBCDIC based rather than ASCII based. In fact there
> are some AS/400 specific Powerhouse options just not available to
> other machine lines:
> i) It allows more than 31 files per screen.
> ii) The While Retrieving option allows a date range (W/R via
> date-key from 20050101 to sysdate)
> iii) The ASCII function is known as CCONVERT.
> iv) and of course all the other panel mode features
>
> However the AS/400 product is a mature product according to Cognos
> and no new releases will be done for it. In fact I'm pretty sure
> that the current release is still the 6.00 series and I'm not even
> sure if Cognos is still putting out bug fixes for that product
> line anymore.
>
> I do admit that, like you, I'd put the VAX system at the top of my
> own preferential list though.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Michael Lee
> MCL Systems Inc.
>
>
>
>
> Ken Langendock wrote:
>
>>LOL, from what I heard there is no such thing as an
>>AS400 migration....Just dump everything and start
>>writing it all again from scratch.
>>
>>Sorry...Not a big AS400 fan.
>>
>>
>> --- Joe Boyle <atla38@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Will there be a version for the AS400 and any idea
>>>of time table ?
>>>
>>>Regards, Joe.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com
>>>[mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com] On Behalf
>>>Of Deskin, Bob
>>>Sent: 09 March 2005 15:38
>>>To: powerh-l@lists.sowder.com
>>>Subject: RE: Anyone have Moved from VMS to WINDOWS?
>>>
>>>This is probably a good time to mention our soon to
>>>be released
>>>PowerHouse MPE/iX Migration Guide. It should be
>>>available by the end of
>>>March from the PowerHouse documentation web page
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>(powerhouse.cognos.com/products/powerhouse/download.html)
>>
>>
>>>and from
>>>support.cognos.com. It covers migration from MPE/iX
>>>to UNIX or Windows.
>>>Unfortunately, it doesn't have Stephen's approach to
>>>handling temporary
>>>subfiles but it does have lots of other good stuff.
>>>
>>>The reason for covering MPE/iX is because of the
>>>pending end of support
>>>from HP on the HPe3000-MPE/iX platform. Although not
>>>specific to OpenVMS
>>>(to UNIX or Windows), it will highlight many of the
>>>things that have to
>>>be considered for that migration as well. If there's
>>>enough demand, then
>>>we'll do a version for OpenVMS.
>>>
>>>Bob
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com
>>>[mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com] On Behalf
>>>Of Othman
>>>Sent: March 9, 2005 10:13 AM
>>>To: powerh-l@lists.sowder.com
>>>Cc: Ken@langendock.com; ken.langendock@rogers.com
>>>Subject: Re: Anyone have Moved from VMS to WINDOWS?
>>>
>>>
>>>how about the database migration.
>>>
>>>our system running with the following environment
>>>-System: HP 3000/968 Rx
>>>-OS : MPE / ix HP 31900
>>>
>>>-Reporting Quiz - Cognos PowerHouse 8.19.C4 version.
>>>
>>>-Screen Designing QDESIGN - Cognos PowerHouse
>>>8.19.C4 version.
>>>
>>>-Transaction Processing QTP - Cognos PowerHouse
>>>8.19.C4 version.
>>>
>>>-Data Base Dictionary PDL - Cognos PowerHouse
>>>8.19.C4 version.
>>>
>>>what is the recommended path to migrate to NT ,MS
>>>SQL
>>>
>>>On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:44:56 -0500 (EST), Ken
>>>Langendock
>>><ken.langendock@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'm not sure what you mean by tool.
>>>>
>>>>I used a free ware search and replace tool that I
>>>>downloaded from the net to fix the source.
>>>>
>>>>The last conversion was from DG ISAM to ISAM for
>>>>
>>>>
>>>NT.
>>>
>>>
>>>>So all I did there was export the file definitions
>>>>from QSHOW on the UNIX box and cleaned them up for
>>>>
>>>>
>>>NT.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Most of the time I convert everything by search
>>>>
>>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>
>>>>replace then do the rest by hand.
>>>>
>>>>By using my application as a building block. I
>>>>converted a 100 program application within 2 weeks
>>>>(working at night). And that app was written back
>>>>
>>>>
>>>in
>>>
>>>
>>>>the early 80's, it was all crap code.
>>>>
>>>>Ken
>>>>
>>>>--- Othman <othman2@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>what tool did you use for migration
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 08:50:58 -0500 (EST), Ken
>>>>>Langendock
>>>>><ken.langendock@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I have converted an application from many
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>machines
>>>
>>>
>>>>>to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>other lines.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I started out on the VAX (in my opinion the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>best
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>machine still to this day), then to HP3000,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>then
>>>
>>>
>>>>>UNIX
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>(HP, SUN, IBM, DG, etc) then to Powerhouse NT.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I created a system management module that
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>takes
>>>
>>>
>>>>>all of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>the O/S level code away from your application.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>This
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>allows me to convert from one platform to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>another transparently to
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>the User/Application.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The problems you are going to encounter are:
>>>>>>1) Quiz does not run in compiled form (at
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>least it
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>didn't work correctly at the time of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>implementation).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Not a big problem since every user has their
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>own
>>>
>>>
>>>>>CPU,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>they do not notice.
>>>>>>2) There is no real Batch Queue. Everything is
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>run interactively.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>I didn't have time to create one
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>the client didn't care as the performance was
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>10
>>>
>>>
>>>>>times
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>faster.
>>>>>>3) Printing is a little more difficult to set
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>up.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>The
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>printers have to be set up on the network
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>server.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>My
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>system management module took care of this,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>but
>>>
>>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>testing was a bitch.
>>>>>>4) I used strictly Powerhouse, no COBOL, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>That
>>>
>>>
>>>>>may
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>be a problem for you, depends on what you are
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>doing in
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hope this helps.
>>>>>>Ken@langendock.com
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Ahhh yes, that's right. It's been a few years so I'd forgotten that
feature. <br>
<br>
Mike<br>
<br>
Latimer, Richard wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span
class="481585621-09032005">and don't forget the most useful feature of
all - the ability for ANY file on the machine to be treated as a
subfile ...</span></font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span
class="481585621-09032005">eg </span></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span
class="481585621-09032005">access *production(datafile)</span></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span
class="481585621-09032005">select whatever you like</span></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span
class="481585621-09032005">output testing(datafile)</span></font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span
class="481585621-09032005">cheers</span></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><span
class="481585621-09032005">Richard</span></font></div>
<blockquote dir="ltr" style="margin-right: 0px;">
<div class="OutlookMessageHeader" lang="en-us" dir="ltr"
align="left"><font face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com">powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com">mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael
Lee<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 10 March 2005 6:01 a.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Ken@Langendock.com">Ken@Langendock.com</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Joe Boyle; 'Deskin, Bob'; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:powerh-l@lists.sowder.com">powerh-l@lists.sowder.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Anyone have Moved from VMS to WINDOWS?<br>
<br>
</font></div>
Hi Ken,<br>
<br>
I wasn't a big fan of AS/400 myself. In fact I told our mutual friend
Mark Stenzler that I would <i>never </i>work on an AS/400... then
someone offered me some money and I became a tad more flexible. After
working on it for 3 to 4 years I came to appreciate it's strengths and
benefits. It's a very complete , secure system-albeit very different
from any other operating system. <br>
<br>
I would agree that migration to AS/400 would probably be harder than
any other machine due to it's panel mode processing and the fact that
it's EBCDIC based rather than ASCII based. In fact there are some
AS/400 specific Powerhouse options just not available to other machine
lines:<br>
i) It allows more than 31 files per screen.<br>
ii) The While Retrieving option allows a date range (W/R via date-key
from 20050101 to sysdate)<br>
iii) The ASCII function is known as CCONVERT.<br>
iv) and of course all the other panel mode features<br>
<br>
However the AS/400 product is a mature product according to Cognos and
no new releases will be done for it. In fact I'm pretty sure that the
current release is still the 6.00 series and I'm not even sure if
Cognos is still putting out bug fixes for that product line anymore.<br>
<br>
I do admit that, like you, I'd put the VAX system at the top of my own
preferential list though.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
<br>
Michael Lee<br>
MCL Systems Inc.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Ken Langendock wrote:<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid20050309160901.21816.qmail@web88012.mail.re2.yahoo.com"
type="cite">
<pre wrap="">LOL, from what I heard there is no such thing as an
AS400 migration....Just dump everything and start
writing it all again from scratch.
Sorry...Not a big AS400 fan.
--- Joe Boyle <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:atla38@dsl.pipex.com"><atla38@dsl.pipex.com></a> wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Will there be a version for the AS400 and any idea
of time table ?
Regards, Joe.
-----Original Message-----
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com">powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com">mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com</a>] On Behalf
Of Deskin, Bob
Sent: 09 March 2005 15:38
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:powerh-l@lists.sowder.com">powerh-l@lists.sowder.com</a>
Subject: RE: Anyone have Moved from VMS to WINDOWS?
This is probably a good time to mention our soon to
be released
PowerHouse MPE/iX Migration Guide. It should be
available by the end of
March from the PowerHouse documentation web page
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->(powerhouse.cognos.com/products/powerhouse/download.html)
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">and from
support.cognos.com. It covers migration from MPE/iX
to UNIX or Windows.
Unfortunately, it doesn't have Stephen's approach to
handling temporary
subfiles but it does have lots of other good stuff.
The reason for covering MPE/iX is because of the
pending end of support
from HP on the HPe3000-MPE/iX platform. Although not
specific to OpenVMS
(to UNIX or Windows), it will highlight many of the
things that have to
be considered for that migration as well. If there's
enough demand, then
we'll do a version for OpenVMS.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com">powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com">mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com</a>] On Behalf
Of Othman
Sent: March 9, 2005 10:13 AM
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:powerh-l@lists.sowder.com">powerh-l@lists.sowder.com</a>
Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Ken@langendock.com">Ken@langendock.com</a>; <a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:ken.langendock@rogers.com">ken.langendock@rogers.com</a>
Subject: Re: Anyone have Moved from VMS to WINDOWS?
how about the database migration.
our system running with the following environment
-System: HP 3000/968 Rx
-OS : MPE / ix HP 31900
-Reporting Quiz - Cognos PowerHouse 8.19.C4 version.
-Screen Designing QDESIGN - Cognos PowerHouse
8.19.C4 version.
-Transaction Processing QTP - Cognos PowerHouse
8.19.C4 version.
-Data Base Dictionary PDL - Cognos PowerHouse
8.19.C4 version.
what is the recommended path to migrate to NT ,MS
SQL
On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:44:56 -0500 (EST), Ken
Langendock
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ken.langendock@rogers.com"><ken.langendock@rogers.com></a> wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">I'm not sure what you mean by tool.
I used a free ware search and replace tool that I
downloaded from the net to fix the source.
The last conversion was from DG ISAM to ISAM for
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">NT.
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">So all I did there was export the file definitions
from QSHOW on the UNIX box and cleaned them up for
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">NT.
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Most of the time I convert everything by search
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">and
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">replace then do the rest by hand.
By using my application as a building block. I
converted a 100 program application within 2 weeks
(working at night). And that app was written back
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">in
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">the early 80's, it was all crap code.
Ken
--- Othman <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:othman2@gmail.com"><othman2@gmail.com></a> wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">what tool did you use for migration
On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 08:50:58 -0500 (EST), Ken
Langendock
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ken.langendock@rogers.com"><ken.langendock@rogers.com></a> wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">I have converted an application from many
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">machines
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">to
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">other lines.
I started out on the VAX (in my opinion the
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">best
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">machine still to this day), then to HP3000,
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">then
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">UNIX
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">(HP, SUN, IBM, DG, etc) then to Powerhouse NT.
I created a system management module that
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">takes
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">all of
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">the O/S level code away from your application.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">This
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">allows me to convert from one platform to
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">another transparently to
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">the User/Application.
The problems you are going to encounter are:
1) Quiz does not run in compiled form (at
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">least it
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">didn't work correctly at the time of
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">implementation).
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Not a big problem since every user has their
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">own
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">CPU,
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">they do not notice.
2) There is no real Batch Queue. Everything is
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">run interactively.
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">I didn't have time to create one
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">and
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">the client didn't care as the performance was
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">10
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">times
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">faster.
3) Printing is a little more difficult to set
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">up.
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">The
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">printers have to be set up on the network
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">server.
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">My
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">system management module took care of this,
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">but
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">the
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">testing was a bitch.
4) I used strictly Powerhouse, no COBOL, etc.
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">That
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">may
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">be a problem for you, depends on what you are
</pre>
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<pre wrap="">doing in
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