Anyone have Moved from VMS to WINDOWS? - hijack, great things
about AS/400
Latimer, Richard
richard.latimer@airways.co.nz
Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:01:45 +1300
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and don't forget the most useful feature of all - the ability for ANY
file on the machine to be treated as a subfile ...
=20
eg=20
access *production(datafile)
select whatever you like
output testing(datafile)
=20
cheers
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com
[mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com] On Behalf Of Michael Lee
Sent: Thursday, 10 March 2005 6:01 a.m.
To: Ken@Langendock.com
Cc: Joe Boyle; 'Deskin, Bob'; powerh-l@lists.sowder.com
Subject: Re: Anyone have Moved from VMS to WINDOWS?
=09
=09
Hi Ken,
=09
I wasn't a big fan of AS/400 myself. In fact I told our mutual
friend Mark Stenzler that I would never work on an AS/400... then
someone offered me some money and I became a tad more flexible. After
working on it for 3 to 4 years I came to appreciate it's strengths and
benefits. It's a very complete , secure system-albeit very different
from any other operating system.=20
=09
I would agree that migration to AS/400 would probably be harder
than any other machine due to it's panel mode processing and the fact
that it's EBCDIC based rather than ASCII based. In fact there are some
AS/400 specific Powerhouse options just not available to other machine
lines:
i) It allows more than 31 files per screen.
ii) The While Retrieving option allows a date range (W/R via
date-key from 20050101 to sysdate)
iii) The ASCII function is known as CCONVERT.
iv) and of course all the other panel mode features
=09
However the AS/400 product is a mature product according to
Cognos and no new releases will be done for it. In fact I'm pretty sure
that the current release is still the 6.00 series and I'm not even sure
if Cognos is still putting out bug fixes for that product line anymore.
=09
I do admit that, like you, I'd put the VAX system at the top of
my own preferential list though.
=09
Regards,
=09
=09
Michael Lee
MCL Systems Inc.
=09
=09
=09
=09
Ken Langendock wrote:
=09
LOL, from what I heard there is no such thing as an=20
AS400 migration....Just dump everything and start
writing it all again from scratch.
=09
Sorry...Not a big AS400 fan.
=09
=09
--- Joe Boyle <atla38@dsl.pipex.com>
<mailto:atla38@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:=20
=20
Will there be a version for the AS400 and any
idea
of time table ?
=09
Regards, Joe.
=09
=09
=09
-----Original Message-----
From: powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com
[mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com] On
Behalf
Of Deskin, Bob
Sent: 09 March 2005 15:38
To: powerh-l@lists.sowder.com
Subject: RE: Anyone have Moved from VMS to
WINDOWS?
=09
This is probably a good time to mention our soon
to
be released
PowerHouse MPE/iX Migration Guide. It should be
available by the end of
March from the PowerHouse documentation web page
=09
=20
=09
(powerhouse.cognos.com/products/powerhouse/download.html)
=20
and from
support.cognos.com. It covers migration from
MPE/iX
to UNIX or Windows.
Unfortunately, it doesn't have Stephen's
approach to
handling temporary
subfiles but it does have lots of other good
stuff.
=09
The reason for covering MPE/iX is because of the
pending end of support
from HP on the HPe3000-MPE/iX platform. Although
not
specific to OpenVMS
(to UNIX or Windows), it will highlight many of
the
things that have to
be considered for that migration as well. If
there's
enough demand, then
we'll do a version for OpenVMS.
=09
Bob
=09
-----Original Message-----
From: powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com
[mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com] On
Behalf
Of Othman
Sent: March 9, 2005 10:13 AM
To: powerh-l@lists.sowder.com
Cc: Ken@langendock.com;
ken.langendock@rogers.com
Subject: Re: Anyone have Moved from VMS to
WINDOWS?
=09
=09
how about the database migration.
=09
our system running with the following
environment=20
-System: HP 3000/968 Rx
-OS : MPE / ix HP 31900
=09
-Reporting Quiz - Cognos PowerHouse 8.19.C4
version.
=09
-Screen Designing QDESIGN - Cognos
PowerHouse
8.19.C4 version.
=09
-Transaction Processing QTP - Cognos PowerHouse
8.19.C4 version.
=09
-Data Base Dictionary PDL - Cognos PowerHouse
8.19.C4 version.
=09
what is the recommended path to migrate to NT
,MS
SQL
=09
On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:44:56 -0500 (EST), Ken
Langendock
<ken.langendock@rogers.com>
<mailto:ken.langendock@rogers.com> wrote:
=20
I'm not sure what you mean by tool.
=09
I used a free ware search and replace
tool that I
downloaded from the net to fix the
source.
=09
The last conversion was from DG ISAM to
ISAM for
=20
NT.
=20
So all I did there was export the file
definitions
from QSHOW on the UNIX box and cleaned
them up for
=20
NT.
=20
Most of the time I convert everything by
search
=20
and
=20
replace then do the rest by hand.
=09
By using my application as a building
block. I
converted a 100 program application
within 2 weeks
(working at night). And that app was
written back
=20
in
=20
the early 80's, it was all crap code.
=09
Ken
=09
--- Othman <othman2@gmail.com>
<mailto:othman2@gmail.com> wrote:
=20
what tool did you use for migration
=09
=09
On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 08:50:58 -0500 (EST),
Ken
Langendock
<ken.langendock@rogers.com>
<mailto:ken.langendock@rogers.com> wrote:
=20
I have converted an application from
many
=20
machines
=20
to
=20
other lines.
=09
I started out on the VAX (in my opinion
the
=20
best
=20
machine still to this day), then to
HP3000,
=20
then
=20
UNIX
=20
(HP, SUN, IBM, DG, etc) then to
Powerhouse NT.
=09
I created a system management module
that
=20
takes
=20
all of
=20
the O/S level code away from your
application.
=20
This
=20
allows me to convert from one platform
to
=20
another transparently to
=09
=20
the User/Application.
=09
The problems you are going to encounter
are:
1) Quiz does not run in compiled form
(at
=20
least it
=20
didn't work correctly at the time of
=20
implementation).
=20
Not a big problem since every user has
their
=20
own
=20
CPU,
=20
they do not notice.
2) There is no real Batch Queue.
Everything is
=20
run interactively.=20
=20
I didn't have time to create one
=20
and
=20
the client didn't care as the
performance was
=20
10
=20
times
=20
faster.
3) Printing is a little more difficult
to set
=20
up.
=20
The
=20
printers have to be set up on the
network
=20
server.
=20
My
=20
system management module took care of
this,
=20
but
=20
the
=20
testing was a bitch.
4) I used strictly Powerhouse, no COBOL,
etc.
=20
That
=20
may
=20
be a problem for you, depends on what
you are
=20
doing in
=20
there.
=09
Hope this helps.
Ken@langendock.com
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don't forget the most useful feature of all - the ability for ANY file on t=
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machine to be treated as a subfile ...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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*production(datafile)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN class=3D481585621-09=
032005>select=20
whatever you like</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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testing(datafile)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D481585621-09032005>Richard</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com [mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com] =
<B>On=20
Behalf Of </B>Michael Lee<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 10 March 2005 6:01=20
a.m.<BR><B>To:</B> Ken@Langendock.com<BR><B>Cc:</B> Joe Boyle; 'Deskin, B=
ob';=20
powerh-l@lists.sowder.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Anyone have Moved from V=
MS to=20
WINDOWS?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Hi Ken,<BR><BR>I wasn't a big fan of AS/400=
myself. In fact I told our mutual friend Mark Stenzler that I would <I>n=
ever=20
</I>work on an AS/400... then someone offered me some money and I became =
a tad=20
more flexible. After working on it for 3 to 4 years I came to appre=
ciate=20
it's strengths and benefits. It's a very complete , secure system-albeit =
very=20
different from any other operating system. <BR><BR>I would agree that=20
migration to AS/400 would probably be harder than any other machine due t=
o=20
it's panel mode processing and the fact that it's EBCDIC based rather tha=
n=20
ASCII based. In fact there are some AS/400 specific Powerhouse options ju=
st=20
not available to other machine lines:<BR>i) It allows more than 31 files =
per=20
screen.<BR>ii) The While Retrieving option allows a date range (W/R via=
date-key from 20050101 to sysdate)<BR>iii) The ASCII function is k=
nown=20
as CCONVERT.<BR>iv) and of course all the other panel mode=20
features<BR><BR>However the AS/400 product is a mature product according =
to=20
Cognos and no new releases will be done for it. In fact I'm pretty sure t=
hat=20
the current release is still the 6.00 series and I'm not even sure if Cog=
nos=20
is still putting out bug fixes for that product line anymore.<BR><BR>I do=
admit that, like you, I'd put the VAX system at the top of my own prefer=
ential=20
list though.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR><BR>Michael Lee<BR>MCL Systems=20
Inc.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Ken Langendock wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3Dmid20050309160901.21816.qmail@web88012.mail.re2.yahoo.=
com=20
type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">LOL, from what I heard there is no such thin=
g as an=20
AS400 migration....Just dump everything and start
writing it all again from scratch.
Sorry...Not a big AS400 fan.
--- Joe Boyle <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E href=3D"mailto:atla38@dsl.p=
ipex.com"><atla38@dsl.pipex.com></A> wrote:=20
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">Will there be a version for th=
e AS400 and any idea
of time table ?
Regards, Joe.
-----Original Message-----
From: <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated href=3D"mailto:powerh-l-admin@lis=
ts.sowder.com">powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com</A>
[<A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext href=3D"mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowde=
r.com">mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com</A>] On Behalf
Of Deskin, Bob
Sent: 09 March 2005 15:38
To: <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated href=3D"mailto:powerh-l@lists.sowde=
r.com">powerh-l@lists.sowder.com</A>
Subject: RE: Anyone have Moved from VMS to WINDOWS?
This is probably a good time to mention our soon to
be released
PowerHouse MPE/iX Migration Guide. It should be
available by the end of
March from the PowerHouse documentation web page
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D""><!---->(powerhouse.cognos.com/product=
s/powerhouse/download.html)
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">and from
support.cognos.com. It covers migration from MPE/iX
to UNIX or Windows.
Unfortunately, it doesn't have Stephen's approach to
handling temporary
subfiles but it does have lots of other good stuff.
The reason for covering MPE/iX is because of the
pending end of support
from HP on the HPe3000-MPE/iX platform. Although not
specific to OpenVMS
(to UNIX or Windows), it will highlight many of the
things that have to
be considered for that migration as well. If there's
enough demand, then
we'll do a version for OpenVMS.
Bob
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ts.sowder.com">powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com</A>
[<A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext href=3D"mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowde=
r.com">mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com</A>] On Behalf
Of Othman
Sent: March 9, 2005 10:13 AM
To: <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated href=3D"mailto:powerh-l@lists.sowde=
r.com">powerh-l@lists.sowder.com</A>
Cc: <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated href=3D"mailto:Ken@langendock.com">=
Ken@langendock.com</A>; <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated href=3D"mailto:=
ken.langendock@rogers.com">ken.langendock@rogers.com</A>
Subject: Re: Anyone have Moved from VMS to WINDOWS?
how about the database migration.
our system running with the following environment=20
-System: HP 3000/968 Rx
-OS : MPE / ix HP 31900
=09
-Reporting Quiz - Cognos PowerHouse 8.19.C4 version.
=09
-Screen Designing QDESIGN - Cognos PowerHouse
8.19.C4 version.
=09
-Transaction Processing QTP - Cognos PowerHouse
8.19.C4 version.
=09
-Data Base Dictionary PDL - Cognos PowerHouse
8.19.C4 version.
what is the recommended path to migrate to NT ,MS
SQL
On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:44:56 -0500 (EST), Ken
Langendock
<A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E href=3D"mailto:ken.langendock@rogers.com">=
<ken.langendock@rogers.com></A> wrote:
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">I'm not sure what you mean b=
y tool.
I used a free ware search and replace tool that I
downloaded from the net to fix the source.
The last conversion was from DG ISAM to ISAM for
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D"">NT.
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">So all I did there was expor=
t the file definitions
from QSHOW on the UNIX box and cleaned them up for
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D"">NT.
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">Most of the time I convert e=
verything by search
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D"">and
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">replace then do the rest by =
hand.
By using my application as a building block. I
converted a 100 program application within 2 weeks
(working at night). And that app was written back
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D"">in
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">the early 80's, it was all c=
rap code.
Ken
--- Othman <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E href=3D"mailto:othman2@gmail.co=
m"><othman2@gmail.com></A> wrote:
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">what tool did you use for =
migration
On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 08:50:58 -0500 (EST), Ken
Langendock
<A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E href=3D"mailto:ken.langendock@rogers.com">=
<ken.langendock@rogers.com></A> wrote:
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">I have converted an appl=
ication from many
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D"">machi=
nes
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">to
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">other lines.
I started out on the VAX (in my opinion the
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D"">best
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">machine still to this da=
y), then to HP3000,
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D"">then
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">UNIX
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">(HP, SUN, IBM, DG, etc) =
then to Powerhouse NT.
I created a system management module that
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D"">takes
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">all of
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">the O/S level code away =
from your application.
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D"">This
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">allows me to convert fro=
m one platform to
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D"">anoth=
er transparently to
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">the User/Application.
The problems you are going to encounter are:
1) Quiz does not run in compiled form (at
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D"">least=
it
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">didn't work correctly at=
the time of
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D"">implementation).
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">Not a big problem since =
every user has their
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D"">own
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">CPU,
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">they do not notice.
2) There is no real Batch Queue. Everything is
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D"">run i=
nteractively.=20
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">I didn't have time to cr=
eate one
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D"">and
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">the client didn't care a=
s the performance was
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D"">10
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">times
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">faster.
3) Printing is a little more difficult to set
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D"">up.
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">The
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">printers have to be set =
up on the network
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D"">serve=
r.
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
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