Migration from Powerhouse MPE
Edis, Robert
REdis@Blistex.com
Mon, 22 Sep 2003 07:42:49 -0500
www.oecd.org for a start. You'll have to do a search for the specific documents. I found a couple of interesting ones on Friday but don't have the URL with me at the moment.
The United Nations also has a lot of interesting comparisions at www.un.org/databases/index.html.
There are many other sources to search as well.
Blue
-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Wedge [mailto:ian.wedge@ramesys.com]
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 5:00 AM
To: Edis, Robert
Subject: RE: Migration from Powerhouse MPE
Hi Blue
Do you have a link for those reports? Sounds like some interesting results.
Cheers
Ian Wedge
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> [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu]On Behalf Of Edis, Robert
> Sent: 19 September 2003 18:03
> To: Powerh-L (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: Migration from Powerhouse MPE
>
>
> G'day Rick
>
> 1. Who said I was American? ;)
>
> 2. OECD and other data sources track worker productivity in
> different countries around the world. This is a function of the
> amount of work output per hour worked. The USA has one of best,
> if not the best, productivity rates in the world. Slightly
> better than Germany (average 35 hour week with 6 weeks annual
> vacation) and much higher than Japan (average 45+ hour week with
> 1 week annual vacation.
>
> So what Rick says is correct; 1 hour of work input in the USA is
> not equal to 1 hour of work input in other countries.
> Unfortunately India has a very low worker productivity score.
> These are not biased opinions but published objective facts based
> on a standard formulae.
>
> What this means is that even if you pay a worker in the USA a
> higher rate per hour the productive returns would probably
> outweigh the immediate cost savings of using a worker in another
> country. I.e. a better cost/benefit ratio.
>
> These are of course generalisations and look at a country as a
> whole. It doesn't take into account specific types of work,
> individual work habits, regional location, etc.
>
> Blue
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Hill [mailto:rmhill@core.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 10:25 AM
> To: Powerh-L (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: Migration from Powerhouse MPE
>
>
> I agree that Americans work very hard, including even if they only work
> an 8 to 10 hour day. I rarely work just an 8 hours day, to make sure
> things get done right, although in America people like Blue and myself
> might be more the exception than the norm -- in India it seems to be
> the norm! For example, I have noticed that contractors that are here
> (US) from India are more likely to be working nights than the Americans
> are.
>
> However, I have also found that just because somebody is working a 12
> hour day doesn't necessarily mean you are getting 12 total hours of
> good productivity from them, regardlesss of the culture. You
> eventually run into diminishing returns -- the work produced from the
> extra 4 hours is not likely of the same quality and reliability as the
> work from the first 4 hours of the day. People tend to drag more
> during the overtime hours, they don't really want to be there, managers
> aren't around, etc. So the money paid for the last 4 hours of a 12
> hour day at a cheap rate might not be such a good deal!
>
> > Does this mean you are in India Roshan?
> >
> > In the last week I've worked 9, 10, 11 and 12 hour days plus I'll be
> working this weekend. Do you think overworking is unique to India?
> Companies in the USA are pushing their workers to significantly longer
> hours rather than hiring additional staff as a result of the economic
> slowdown in this country. I bet it's the same in other western
> countries too.
> >
> > BTW, have you looked at Singapore as a source of PH resources? There
> used to be quite a number of sites there.
> >
> > How many programmers do you need and for how long? Maybe if we on
> the list were more intimate with your needs we could come up with some
> useful ideas.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Blue
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roshan Shah [mailto:roshan_shah@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 10:52 PM
> > To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
> > Subject: Re: Migration from Powerhouse MPE
> >
> >
> > Well, Let me put it this way..
> >
> > 1) They are rare in India at least at the moment. I
> > know at least of 3 companies ( including mine) looking
> > for them
> >
> > 2) Yes - we do have training program.. But to train
> > anyone and expect the person to know it all does not
> > happen. Best learning is experience.
> >
> > 3) US / UK / Australia rates could be cheap but can't
> > be as cheap as that of Offshore Services Companies..
> > and guys in India work for 10 to 12 hours almost daily
> > .. not to mention that many a times they also work on
> > weekends to meet the tight deliveries...
> >
> > Now, while writing this, I have no intentions of
> > convincing anyone on India's capabilities but that's
> > the way it is here and I know it is not a fair
> > practice to have anyone work so long..
> >
> > Thanks
> > Roshan Shah
> >
> >
> > --- stewm@canada.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Roshan, by PowerHouse resources are scarce do you
> > > mean
> > > there is noone to do the work? I know of about 7
> > > guys
> > > out there right now with decades of experience that
> > > can't find work with PowerHouse and are looking.
> > > Through an ad out on one of the popular job search
> > > engines, with a half decent rate, I'm sure you'll
> > > still
> > > find resources.
> > >
> > > Mark Stewart
> > > Consultants Club Corp.
> > > 1-519-739-0297
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I wanted to have your inputs on strategy of doing
> > > Powerhouse Migration to Sun Solaris.
> > >
> > > a) Migrate Powerhouse Application to Solaris.
> > > Powerhouse is available on Solaris
> > >
> > > b) Rewrite Powerhouse to COBOL! (Licencing
> > > Powerhouse
> > > is very expensive) - Should one at all have
> > > Powerhouse even if it is an interim solution looking
> > > into the fact that Powerhouse resources are scarce
> > > and
> > > fast depleting.
> > >
> > > Also when in future if Powerhouse Resources are
> > > needed, they will not only be very expensive but
> > > very
> > > rare!
> > >
> > >
> > > Any other recommendations ?
> > >
> > > Roshan Shah
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