PowerHouse in the next 3 years?
Deskin, Bob
Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM
Wed, 7 May 2003 19:51:40 -0400
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What I meant was that there is nothing that physically connects HTML code
with QDESIGN source. I was thinking of Axiant or even PowerHouse Client,
where PowerHouse could relate the generated form to specific objects in the
code. I'm not saying that you can't get most of the HTML into QDESIGN as
text, and we know that you've got lots of techniques for generating HTML on
the fly, but it's not what most people expect.
I don't know whether we'll do a template, embed HTML in special QDESIGN
keywords, or some combination. But it is needed. And I don't want to go the
way of the painters, where the user spends lots of time making things pretty
without worrying if it works. PH Web is perfect for making it work and then
making it pretty, but maintaining things after it's pretty isn't as easy as
it could be.
And that's what a productivity tool's all about. Taking those mundane tasks
and automating them so that you have time for the stuff that needs brain
power. But you knew that :-)
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Sheehan, Richard [mailto:RSheehan@ci.bellevue.wa.us]
Sent: May 7, 2003 5:30 PM
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: PowerHouse in the next 3 years?
Bob,
You say there are no hooks into the QDESIGN source. You can create your own
hooks using custom tags, e.g..<!--PH-HOOK--><!--PH-END-HOOK-->
Sure it is straight text, but you can add your own logic into the text as
desired and thus effect the rendering of the HTML as desired; or if added
for information only, the result could be no impact as well.
Richard.
Richard S Sheehan
425.452.6177
Business Systems Analyst
City of Bellevue, WA
-----Original Message-----
From: Deskin, Bob [mailto:Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:48 AM
To: 'Dennis Hassell'; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: PowerHouse in the next 3 years?
Dennis wrote:
Also, for the future, providing a closer integration of the PH Web product
with an HTML design tool would be very helpful. Right now, the styled HTML
must be modified by hand to implement changes. A QDESIGN recompile into HTML
will not merge the HTML design with the PH logic. Either the PH must be laid
into the template or vice versa. That would produce a productivity gain that
could be a great sales point, and better justify the PH Web costs.
The upcoming version, 2.4, will let you do a much better job of prototyping
the entire application before any HTML changes have to be made. Basically,
in 2.2, you had to make HTML changes just to get a basic application that
passed data back and forth between pages. This is now handled automatically.
We are looking at further enhancements to merge the HTML but since the HTML
is simple text, with no hooks to the QDESIGN source, it's not a simple task.
All I can say is that we are looking at it for a future release.
Bob
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=180264823-07052003>What I
meant was that there is nothing that physically connects HTML code with QDESIGN
source. I was thinking of Axiant or even PowerHouse Client, where PowerHouse
could relate the generated form to specific objects in the code. I'm not saying
that you can't get most of the HTML into QDESIGN as text, and we know that
you've got lots of techniques for generating HTML on the fly, but it's not what
most people expect.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=180264823-07052003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=180264823-07052003>I
don't know whether we'll do a template, embed HTML in special QDESIGN keywords,
or some combination. But it is needed. And I don't want to go the way of the
painters, where the user spends lots of time making things pretty without
worrying if it works. PH Web is perfect for making it work and then making it
pretty, but maintaining things after it's pretty isn't as easy as it could
be.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=180264823-07052003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=180264823-07052003>And
that's what a productivity tool's all about. Taking those mundane tasks and
automating them so that you have time for the stuff that needs brain power. But
you knew that :-)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=180264823-07052003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=180264823-07052003>Bob</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Sheehan, Richard
[mailto:RSheehan@ci.bellevue.wa.us]<BR><B>Sent:</B> May 7, 2003 5:30
PM<BR><B>To:</B> powerh-l@lists.swau.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: PowerHouse in
the next 3 years?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=678462121-07052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Bob,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=678462121-07052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=678462121-07052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>You
say there are no hooks into the QDESIGN source. You can create your own
hooks using custom tags,
e.g..<!--PH-HOOK--><!--PH-END-HOOK--></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=678462121-07052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=678462121-07052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Sure
it is straight text, but you can add your own logic into the text as desired
and thus effect the rendering of the HTML as desired; or if added for
information only, the result could be no impact as well.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=678462121-07052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=678462121-07052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Richard.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=678462121-07052003></SPAN><SPAN
class=678462121-07052003></SPAN><SPAN class=678462121-07052003></SPAN><SPAN
class=678462121-07052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV><!-- Converted from text/rtf format -->
<P><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Georgia color=#0000ff size=2>Richard S
Sheehan</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Georgia color=#0000ff
size=2>425.452.6177</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Georgia
color=#0000ff size=2>Business Systems Analyst </FONT></SPAN><BR><SPAN
lang=en-us><FONT face=Georgia color=#0000ff size=2>City of Bellevue,
WA</FONT></SPAN> </P>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Deskin, Bob
[mailto:Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:48
AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Dennis Hassell'; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE: PowerHouse in the next 3 years?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=445014218-07052003>Dennis</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2><SPAN class=445014218-07052003> wrote:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><SPAN class=562315816-07052003><FONT
face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2>Also, for the future, providing
a closer integration of the PH Web product with an HTML design tool would be
very helpful. Right now, the styled HTML must be modified by hand to
implement changes. A QDESIGN recompile into HTML will not merge the HTML
design with the PH logic. Either the PH must be laid into the template or
vice versa. That would produce a productivity gain that could be a great
sales point, and better justify the PH Web costs.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=445014218-07052003>The upcoming version, 2.4, will let you do a much
better job of prototyping the entire application before any HTML changes have
to be made. Basically, in 2.2, you had to make HTML changes just to get a
basic application that passed data back and forth between pages. This is now
handled automatically.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=445014218-07052003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=445014218-07052003>We are looking at further enhancements to merge the
HTML but since the HTML is simple text, with no hooks to the QDESIGN source,
it's not a simple task. All I can say is that we are looking at it for a
future release.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=445014218-07052003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=445014218-07052003>Bob</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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size=2><SPAN class=445014218-07052003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
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