Powerhouse HP3000 Migration
Whittall, Conrad
Conrad.Whittall@Cognos.COM
Wed, 2 Jul 2003 15:35:52 -0400
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While it is true that Cognos does not officially support the use of its
products under Windows Terminal Services, Microsoft claim that this
environment is identical to running on a regular Windows platform and
transparent to the application itself. Hence, any issue that manifests
itself with any product under WTS, not just Cognos ones, should be easily
reproducible under Windows 2000 or Windows XP. In that case it should be
easy to provide Customer Support with a test case that reproduces the
problem in a supported environment (which is probably how you'd be
developing the application in any case).
The same goes for other WTS-like products (Citrix, etc.). Since they claim
100% compatibility with Windows any problems seen with a PH app should be
reproducible under Windows 2000/XP. If they are not, then the problem
probably lies with the terminal server product being used.
This situation is similar to that seen with ODBC drivers. Since Cognos
cannot test and support every ODBC driver out there, if an issue can be
reproduced with one of the tested/supported drivers then it will likely be
acknowledged as an issue with the Cognos product. If it can't be reproduced
with one of the tested and supported ODBC drivers then it is likely to be
considered a problem with the specific ODBC driver that is being used.
Best regards,
Conrad
-----Original Message-----
From: Edis, Robert [mailto:Robert.Edis@blistex.com]
Sent: 2 July 2003 15:05
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: Powerhouse HP3000 Migration
But be warned! Cognos support will give you grief if you say you are
running the software remotely via Terminal Services, pcAnywhere, etc. as it
is a 'non-supported' environment.
This has happened to me repeatedly. :(
Blue
-----Original Message-----
From: Whittall, Conrad [mailto:Conrad.Whittall@cognos.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 1:50 PM
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: Powerhouse HP3000 Migration
Of course another option you might consider if you want to run the
application on a Windows server, rather than on each user's desktop, is to
look into using Windows Terminal Services. The app will still be running in
a DOS box, its just that all of your users will be running different DOS
boxes on the same machine...so you only have one machine to worry about
deploying the application to. Obviously you still need the same number of PH
licensed users...just as you would if you deployed to a UNIX box.
Best regards,
Conrad
Conrad Whittall
Solutions Architect, Global Customer Services
Cognos Incorporated, 3755 Riverside Drive, Ottawa, Ontario, K1G 4K9, Canada
-----Original Message-----
From: Deskin, Bob [mailto:Bob.Deskin@cognos.com]
Sent: 2 July 2003 14:35
To: 'Tim Cummings'; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: Powerhouse HP3000 Migration
Normally you would run it in a "DOS" window (i.e. the Command Console
window). You can use a Telnet client if it emulates the DOS window, but
there aren't many that do. However, since the cost is the same (we license
by user count) you're better off running on the PC rather than as a client.
You can still access remote databases and use remote screens (i.e. use
PROCLOC to point to a network drive).
I wrote an article in SupportLink a few months ago about this.
Bob Deskin
Product Manager, Application Development Tools, Cognos Inc.
bob.deskin@cognos.com (613) 738-1338 ext 7268 FAX: (613) 727-1178
3755 Riverside Drive P.O. Box 9707 Stn. T, Ottawa ON K1G 4K9 CANADA
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Cummings [mailto:tim.cummings@frequencymarketing.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 2:15 PM
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: Powerhouse HP3000 Migration
Does the "green screen" run in a dos window or via telnet or in a regular
window?
-----Original Message-----
From: Deskin, Bob [mailto:Bob.Deskin@cognos.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 11:02 AM
To: 'Edis, Robert'; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: Powerhouse HP3000 Migration
The "green" screen capability, in other words QUICK, is now available for
order on Windows NT/2000/XP. It's version 8.41 and was officially released
June 23.
Bob Deskin
Product Manager, Application Development Tools, Cognos Inc.
bob.deskin@cognos.com (613) 738-1338 ext 7268 FAX: (613) 727-1178
3755 Riverside Drive P.O. Box 9707 Stn. T, Ottawa ON K1G 4K9 CANADA
-----Original Message-----
From: Edis, Robert [ mailto:Robert.Edis@blistex.com
<mailto:Robert.Edis@blistex.com> ]
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 10:04 AM
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: Powerhouse HP3000 Migration
G'day Luan
I have used PH 8.24 on W2K against a SQL Server 2000 database via MS ODBC
AND RMS and DB2 databases via Connx ODBC.
Points:
1. no 'green' screen available until the new version comes out (soon?). The
Quick engine is for design purposes only and meant to be run under PH Web.
The response time is pretty good though, especially as we had users
connecting to the PH Web forms over 56k modems from across the country.
2. QTP works fast and well connecting to all the above data sources.
3. Quiz performance against SQL Server sucks. However you can improve
performance by incorporating embedded SQL and database stored procedures.
For reporting I'd recommend converting to Impromptu except for the rare
circumstances where only Quiz will do.
The version due out soon has 'green' screen capability. I don't know if
Reflection supports W2K as a server though.
Good luck,
Blue
-----Original Message-----
From: lha@bigpond.net.au [ mailto:lha@bigpond.net.au
<mailto:lha@bigpond.net.au> ]
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 8:51 AM
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: Powerhouse HP3000 Migration
One of my clients has a single PowerHouse app on an old HP3000 running
MPE/iX v 7.0. The client is part of a large multi-national who want to
move away from the HP3000 platform. However, we find that PH does the
job well and the client is very reluctant to spend a whole heap of
dollars re-writing the app which would end up doing what it does now
but at higher cost and possibly lower reliability. Although it's a
single app, it's a core system handling high revenue. One thought I
have is to move to PH on a Windows NT/W2K server platform, possibly
using the Eloquence database (PH version due late this year?).
My questions: what is your experience with running PH on Win NT/2K? I'm
particularly interested in performance, reliability, interface to
printers. What databases are you using?
The client is happy to continue with text-based screens - they
currently use WQR Reflection which gives the users plenty of options
for customising the display etc. Can the PH/Win NT combination also be
customised in this way without going to Axiant or PH Web?
Any other observations or thoughts welcome!
Thanks,
Luan Ha
Principal Consultant, Padys Pty Ltd.
Email address : lha@bigpond.net.au
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<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D373271119-02072003>While it is true=20
that Cognos does not officially support the use of its products under =
Windows=20
Terminal Services, Microsoft claim that this environment is identical =
to running=20
on a regular Windows platform and transparent to the application =
itself. Hence,=20
any issue that manifests itself with any product under WTS, not just =
Cognos=20
ones, should be easily reproducible under Windows 2000 or Windows XP. =
In that=20
case it should be easy to provide Customer Support with a test case =
that=20
reproduces the problem in a supported environment (which is probably =
how you'd=20
be developing the application in any case).</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D373271119-02072003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2><SPAN class=3D373271119-02072003>The =
same goes for=20
other WTS-like products (Citrix, etc.). Since they claim 100% =
compatibility with=20
Windows any problems seen with a PH app should be reproducible under =
Windows=20
2000/XP. If they are not, then the problem probably lies with the =
terminal=20
server product being used.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D373271119-02072003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D373271119-02072003>This situation is=20
similar to that seen with ODBC drivers. Since Cognos cannot test and =
support=20
every ODBC driver out there, if an issue can be reproduced with one of =
the=20
tested/supported drivers then it will likely be acknowledged as an =
issue with=20
the Cognos product. If it can't be reproduced with one of the tested =
and=20
supported ODBC drivers then it is likely to be considered a problem =
with the=20
specific ODBC driver that is being used.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D373271119-02072003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D373271119-02072003></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DVerdana =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D373271119-02072003><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2>Best=20
regards,</FONT><BR><B><I><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#000080 =
size=3D6>Conrad</FONT></I></B> </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Edis, Robert=20
[mailto:Robert.Edis@blistex.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> 2 July 2003 =
15:05<BR><B>To:</B>=20
powerh-l@lists.swau.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Powerhouse HP3000=20
Migration<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D656360319-02072003>But be=20
warned! Cognos support will give you grief if you say you are =
running the=20
software remotely via Terminal Services, pcAnywhere, etc. as it is =
a=20
'non-supported' environment. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D656360319-02072003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D656360319-02072003>This=20
has happened to me repeatedly. :(</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D656360319-02072003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D656360319-02072003>Blue</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Whittall, Conrad=20
[mailto:Conrad.Whittall@cognos.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July =
02, 2003=20
1:50 PM<BR><B>To:</B> powerh-l@lists.swau.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:=20
Powerhouse HP3000 Migration<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D921364318-02072003>Of course=20
another option you might consider if you want to run the application =
on a=20
Windows server, rather than on each user's desktop, is to look into =
using=20
Windows Terminal Services. The app will still be running in a DOS =
box, its=20
just that all of your users will be running different DOS boxes on =
the same=20
machine...so you only have one machine to worry about deploying the=20
application to. Obviously you still need the same number of PH =
licensed=20
users...just as you would if you deployed to a UNIX =
box.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D921364318-02072003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D921364318-02072003></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DVerdana =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D921364318-02072003><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2>Best=20
regards,</FONT><BR><B><I><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3D#000080=20
size=3D6>Conrad</FONT></I></B><I></I> </DIV>
<DIV>
<P><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#808080 size=3D1>Conrad=20
Whittall</FONT></B><BR><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#808080 =
size=3D1>Solutions=20
Architect, Global Customer Services</FONT></B><BR><B><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#808080 size=3D1>Cognos Incorporated, 3755 Riverside Drive, =
Ottawa,=20
Ontario, K1G 4K9, Canada</FONT></B></P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Deskin, Bob=20
[mailto:Bob.Deskin@cognos.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> 2 July 2003 =
14:35<BR><B>To:</B>=20
'Tim Cummings'; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: =
Powerhouse=20
HP3000 Migration<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771473218-02072003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Normally you would run it in a "DOS" window (i.e. the =
Command Console=20
window). You can use a Telnet client if it emulates the DOS window, =
but there=20
aren't many that do. However, since the cost is the same (we license =
by user=20
count) you're better off running on the PC rather than as a client. =
You can=20
still access remote databases and use remote screens (i.e. use =
PROCLOC to=20
point to a network drive).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771473218-02072003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771473218-02072003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I=20
wrote an article in SupportLink a few months ago about=20
this.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771473218-02072003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D771473218-02072003>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bob=20
=
Deskin =
=20
</FONT><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Product Manager, Application =
Development=20
Tools, Cognos Inc.</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>bob.deskin@cognos.com=20
(613) 738-1338 ext 7268 FAX: (613) 727-1178</FONT> <BR><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>3755 Riverside Drive P.O. Box 9707 Stn. T, Ottawa ON K1G 4K9 =
CANADA</FONT> </P></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tim Cummings=20
[mailto:tim.cummings@frequencymarketing.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> =
Wednesday, July=20
02, 2003 2:15 PM<BR><B>To:</B> =
powerh-l@lists.swau.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
RE: Powerhouse HP3000 Migration<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=3DSection1>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle18><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dnavy=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: =
12.0pt">Does=20
the "green screen" run in a dos window or via telnet or in a =
regular=20
window?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle18><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dnavy=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: =
12.0pt"><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>=
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3DTahoma color=3Dblack=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">-----Original=20
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">From:</SPAN></B> Deskin,=20
Bob [mailto:Bob.Deskin@cognos.com]<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, July 02, =
2003 11:02=20
AM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 'Edis, =
Robert';=20
powerh-l@lists.swau.edu<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: Powerhouse =
HP3000=20
Migration</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">The "green" =
screen=20
capability, in other words QUICK, is now available for order on =
Windows=20
NT/2000/XP. It's version 8.41 and was officially released June=20
23.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Bob=20
=
Deskin =
=20
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Product Manager, =
Application=20
Development Tools, Cognos Inc.</SPAN></FONT><FONT =
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">bob.deskin@cognos.com (613) =
738-1338=20
ext 7268 FAX: (613) 727-1178</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN =
style=3D"COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">3755 Riverside Drive P.O. =
Box 9707=20
Stn. T, Ottawa ON K1G 4K9 CANADA</SPAN></FONT><FONT =
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: =
black">-----Original=20
Message-----</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
black">=20
<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">From: Edis, Robert [<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:Robert.Edis@blistex.com">mailto:Robert.Edis@blistex.com</=
A>]</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Sent: =
Wednesday, July 02,=20
2003 10:04 AM</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN =
style=3D"COLOR: black">=20
<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">To:=20
powerh-l@lists.swau.edu</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Subject: RE: Powerhouse =
HP3000=20
Migration</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
black">=20
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
color=3Dblack size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: =
black"><![if !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">G'day=20
Luan</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black"> =
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">I have used =
PH 8.24 on=20
W2K against a SQL Server 2000 database via MS =
ODBC</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">AND RMS and =
DB2 databases=20
via Connx ODBC.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN =
style=3D"COLOR: black">=20
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Points:</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">1. no =
'green' screen=20
available until the new version comes out (soon?). =20
The</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">=20
<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Quick engine is for design =
purposes=20
only and meant to be run under PH Web.</SPAN></FONT><FONT =
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">The response time is pretty =
good=20
though, especially as we had users</SPAN></FONT><FONT =
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">connecting to the PH Web =
forms over=20
56k modems from across the country.</SPAN></FONT><FONT =
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">2. QTP works fast and well =
connecting=20
to all the above data sources.</SPAN></FONT><FONT =
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">3. Quiz performance against =
SQL Server=20
sucks. However you can improve</SPAN></FONT><FONT =
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">performance by =
incorporating embedded=20
SQL and database stored procedures.</SPAN></FONT><FONT =
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">For reporting I'd recommend =
converting=20
to Impromptu except for the rare</SPAN></FONT><FONT =
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">circumstances where only =
Quiz will=20
do.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">=20
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">The version =
due out soon=20
has 'green' screen capability. I don't know =
if</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Reflection =
supports =20
W2K as a server though.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Good=20
luck,</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
black">=20
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: =
black">Blue</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: =
black">-----Original=20
Message-----</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
black">=20
<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">From: lha@bigpond.net.au =
[<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:lha@bigpond.net.au">mailto:lha@bigpond.net.au</A>]</SPAN>=
</FONT><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Sent: Wednesday, July 02, =
2003 8:51=20
AM</SPAN></FONT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">To:=20
powerh-l@lists.swau.edu</SPAN></FONT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">=20
<BR></SPAN><FONT size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: =
black">Subject:=20
Powerhouse HP3000 Migration</SPAN></FONT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
black">=20
</SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: =
0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; =
COLOR: black"><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> </SPAN></FONT><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">One of my clients has a =
single=20
PowerHouse app on an old HP3000 running </SPAN></FONT><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">MPE/iX v 7.0. The client is =
part of a=20
large multi-national who want to </SPAN></FONT><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">move away from the HP3000 =
platform.=20
However, we find that PH does the </SPAN></FONT><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">job well and the client is =
very=20
reluctant to spend a whole heap of </SPAN></FONT><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">dollars re-writing the app =
which would=20
end up doing what it does now </SPAN></FONT><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">but at higher cost and =
possibly lower=20
reliability. Although it's a </SPAN></FONT><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">single app, it's a core =
system=20
handling high revenue. One thought I </SPAN></FONT><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">have is to move to PH on a =
Windows=20
NT/W2K server platform, possibly </SPAN></FONT><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">using the Eloquence =
database (PH=20
version due late this year?).</SPAN></FONT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
black">=20
</SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">My questions: what is your =
experience=20
with running PH on Win NT/2K? I'm </SPAN></FONT><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">particularly interested in=20
performance, reliability, interface to </SPAN></FONT><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">printers. What databases =
are you=20
using?</SPAN></FONT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN><FONT=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">The client =
is happy to=20
continue with text-based screens - they </SPAN></FONT><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">currently use WQR =
Reflection which=20
gives the users plenty of options </SPAN></FONT><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">for customising the display =
etc. Can=20
the PH/Win NT combination also be </SPAN></FONT><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">customised in this way =
without going=20
to Axiant or PH Web?</SPAN></FONT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">=20
<BR></SPAN><FONT size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: =
black">Any=20
other observations or thoughts welcome!</SPAN></FONT><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"> </SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Thanks,</SPAN></FONT><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"> </SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Luan Ha</SPAN></FONT><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Principal Consultant, Padys =
Pty=20
Ltd.</SPAN></FONT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black"> </SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Email address :=20
lha@bigpond.net.au</SPAN></FONT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black"> =
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