PowerHouse on Linux
Edis, Robert
Robert.Edis@blistex.com
Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:04:58 -0500
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I agree with Chuck. As an Australian working in the USA I find the argument
that AUD6,000 for a 5 user license a bit weak. PH consultant costs in the
USA range from USD30 to USD200+ per hour. I remember the rates in Oz to be
similar (in AUD). Given that a business app can be developed in PH -
without requiring the client to purchase new hardware/Os/DBMS - in between
2/3 to 9/10 less time that in say VB or Java the license cost is irrelevant
as MOST of the development costs will be in personnel.
Compare AUD6,000 with what Oracle would charge for Developer?
Blue
-----Original Message-----
From: chuck.reinke [mailto:chuck.reinke@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 2:39 PM
To: Craig Lalley; Jeff Hoffman; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: Re: PowerHouse on Linux
Well this is an interesting economic analysis. Programming talent must be
little valued in Australia. In the US the cost you cite might buy 2 to 10
days of consulting effort in the US. If programmer makes about $10.00/ hr
where you are, maybe it's a real advantage to develop and maintain a system
in C++, visual basic or something like that.
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig <mailto:mr_lalley@yahoo.com> Lalley
To: Jeff Hoffman <mailto:wonicon@optushome.com.au> ;
powerh-l@lists.swau.edu <mailto:powerh-l@lists.swau.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: PowerHouse on Linux
Jeff Hoffman < wonicon@optushome.com.au <mailto:wonicon@optushome.com.au> >
wrote:
Another reason that PH will not advance is cost, I was just looking at PH
8.41 on Win2000 and if I developed a system for a customer there would be
immediately a $6,000 ($australian approx 3,000 $US) upfront cost for just
the PH licenece (one developer / five user run-time / five user data
access) I would then have to recover development costs. This would put the
Kybo on most projects.
I remember when the current OS that was happening was OS/2 vs the yet to be
released Win95, circa 1995. That year I went to Comdex.
IBM was trying to sell thier developers kits for $395 (I think, it may have
been more.)
Microsoft was giving them away by the handful.
The rest is history.
-Craig
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=078335813-09042003>I
agree with Chuck. As an Australian working in the USA I find the argument
that AUD6,000 for a 5 user license a bit weak. PH consultant costs in the
USA range from USD30 to USD200+ per hour. I remember the rates in Oz
to be similar (in AUD). Given that a business app can be developed in PH -
without requiring the client to purchase new hardware/Os/DBMS - in between 2/3
to 9/10 less time that in say VB or Java the license cost is irrelevant as MOST
of the development costs will be in personnel.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=078335813-09042003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=078335813-09042003>Compare AUD6,000 with what Oracle would charge for
Developer?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=078335813-09042003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=078335813-09042003>Blue</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> chuck.reinke
[mailto:chuck.reinke@sbcglobal.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 02, 2003
2:39 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Craig Lalley; Jeff Hoffman;
powerh-l@lists.swau.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: PowerHouse on
Linux<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well this is an interesting economic analysis.
Programming talent must be little valued in Australia. In the US the cost you
cite might buy 2 to 10 days of consulting effort in the US. If programmer
makes about $10.00/ hr where you are, maybe it's a real advantage to develop
and maintain a system in C++, visual basic or something like
that.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=mr_lalley@yahoo.com href="mailto:mr_lalley@yahoo.com">Craig
Lalley</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=wonicon@optushome.com.au
href="mailto:wonicon@optushome.com.au">Jeff Hoffman</A> ; <A
title=powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
href="mailto:powerh-l@lists.swau.edu">powerh-l@lists.swau.edu</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:54
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: PowerHouse on Linux</DIV>
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<P> <B><I>Jeff Hoffman <<A
href="mailto:wonicon@optushome.com.au">wonicon@optushome.com.au</A>></I></B>
wrote:
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<P>Another reason that PH will not advance is cost, I was just looking at
PH<BR>8.41 on Win2000 and if I developed a system for a customer there
would be<BR>immediately a $6,000 ($australian approx 3,000 $US) upfront
cost for just<BR>the PH licenece (one developer / five user run-time /
five user data<BR>access) I would then have to recover development costs.
This would put the<BR>Kybo on most projects.</P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<P>I remember when the current OS that was happening was OS/2 vs the yet to
be released Win95, circa 1995. That year I went to Comdex. </P>
<P>IBM was trying to sell thier developers kits for $395 (I think, it may
have been more.)</P>
<P>Microsoft was giving them away by the handful. </P>
<P>The rest is history.</P>
<P>-Craig</P>
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