Migrating PowerHouse from VMS to NT
Deskin, Bob
Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM
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Correction on this. All 8.4 platforms will not have the POW interface.
Certainly 8.30 (and therefore 8.40) has POW. However the other platforms
will not have a POW interface at the 8.4 level. It is on the list for 8.5,
however it may not be included for all platforms.
Bob Deskin
PowerHouse Web Product Manager, Application Development Tools
Cognos Inc. 3755 Riverside Drive, Ottawa ON K1G 4K9 CANADA
bob.deskin@cognos.com (613) 738-1338 ext 7268
-----Original Message-----
From: Boyle, Joe [mailto:Joe.Boyle@cognos.com]
Sent: March 1, 2002 4:04 AM
To: 'Edis, Bob'; PowerHouse List (E-mail)
Subject: RE: Migrating PowerHouse from VMS to NT
just one more minor point, RE 'OpenVMS version features will not be
available to you', the only significant feature I can only think of is
mailboxes ( all 8.4 platforms will have a POW interface )
-----Original Message-----
From: Boyle, Joe [mailto:Joe.Boyle@cognos.com]
Sent: 01 March 2002 08:49
To: 'Edis, Bob'; PowerHouse List (E-mail)
Subject: RE: Migrating PowerHouse from VMS to NT
Hi all,
just one minor point, PH 8.4 for NT/Windows will have the quick terminal
interface, due out around July.
regards,
Joe Boyle.
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From: Edis, Bob [ mailto:BEdis@usbnc.org <mailto:BEdis@usbnc.org> ]
Sent: 13 February 2002 19:07
To: PowerHouse List (E-mail)
Subject: RE: Migrating PowerHouse from VMS to NT
G'day George
I have not converted an OpenVMS app to Windows NT but I have worked in both
environments.
Problem 1 - the Windows NT version of PowerHouse has no terminal interface
so you need to use either PowerHouse Web or Axiant. Of these Axiant offers
the best re-use of your existing code but in either case there is a LOT of
work to do. With PowerHouse Web you may have to re-think the whole
application interface. Even with Axiant issue such as aesthetics can bog
you down.
Problem 2 - many OpenVMS version features will not be available to you under
Windows NT. You will need to identify these and re-write the code
accordingly. If you will be using a SQL type database such as MS SQL Server
using embedded SQL in the code will significantly enhance performance.
I don't know what box you are running OpenVMS on but there is NO Windows NT
machine that comes close to a contemporary AlphaServer. Also given that
Compaq is porting OpenVMS to the Itanium processor (64 bit from Intel) it
will mean that OpenVMS has a long life and will run on boxes produced by HP,
IDM, Compaq, Dell, whoever as long as it is an Itanium. Being that OpenVMS
is 64 bit and it will be awhile before Microsoft produce a version of NT
that is not a patched-up version of the 32 bit OS, OpenVMS is a much better
strategic platform for the future for high-power applications. Purchase
costs difference will be insignificant and you can retain your in-house
OpenVMS expertise. Clustering of OpenVMS systems is light years ahead of
Windows NT clustering. No-one has ever successfully hacked into an OpenVMS
system without having a privileged account and viruses are not written for
this OS, unlike for Windows NT.
Regards,
Blue
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From: Nekolny, George B. [ mailto:george.nekolny@denverwater.org
<mailto:george.nekolny@denverwater.org> ]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 12:35 PM
To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu'
Subject: Migrating PowerHouse from VMS to NT
We currently have a number of applications running on PH 7.10.G3,
VMS. We are considering on migrating to PowerHouse on NT. From some
initial inquiries I have been informed that QUIZ and QTP will port over with
no problems. QUICK (Qdesign), however, will require some rewriting due to
differences is presentation. I have been led to believe that about 20% of
the code will have to be re-written, but was given no specifics. Is there
anyone out there that has covered this same ground who could shed some light
on the conversion process? If there is, I'd like to know your experiences
and some of the pit-falls.
George B. Nekolny
Denver Water Dept.
(303) 628-6243
George.Nekolny@denverwater.org
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=510533411-01032002>Correction on this. All 8.4 platforms will not have the
POW interface. Certainly 8.30 (and therefore 8.40) has POW. However the other
platforms will not have a POW interface at the 8.4 level. It is on the list for
8.5, however it may not be included for all platforms.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bob
Deskin
</FONT><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>PowerHouse Web Product Manager</FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2>,</FONT> <FONT face=Arial size=2>Application Development
Tools</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cognos Inc.</FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> <FONT face=Arial size=2>3755 Riverside Drive</FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2>,</FONT> <FONT face=Arial size=2>Ottawa ON K1G 4K9
CANADA</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>bob.deskin@cognos.com</FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2></FONT> <FONT face=Arial size=2>(613) 738-1338 ext</FONT>
<FONT face=Arial size=2>7268</FONT> </P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Boyle, Joe
[mailto:Joe.Boyle@cognos.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> March 1, 2002 4:04
AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Edis, Bob'; PowerHouse List (E-mail)<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
Migrating PowerHouse from VMS to NT<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=252440209-01032002>just
one more minor point, RE 'OpenVMS version features will not be available
to you', the only significant feature I can only think of is mailboxes ( all
8.4 platforms will have a POW interface )</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Boyle, Joe
[mailto:Joe.Boyle@cognos.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> 01 March 2002
08:49<BR><B>To:</B> 'Edis, Bob'; PowerHouse List (E-mail)<BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE: Migrating PowerHouse from VMS to NT<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<P><FONT size=2>Hi all,</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>just one minor point, PH 8.4 for NT/Windows will have the
quick terminal interface, due out around July.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>regards,</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Joe Boyle.</FONT> </P><BR>
<P><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>From:
Edis, Bob [<A
href="mailto:BEdis@usbnc.org">mailto:BEdis@usbnc.org</A>]</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>Sent: 13 February 2002 19:07</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>To: PowerHouse
List (E-mail)</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Subject: RE: Migrating PowerHouse from
VMS to NT</FONT> </P><BR>
<P><FONT size=2>G'day George</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>I have not converted an OpenVMS app to Windows NT but I have
worked in both</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>environments.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Problem 1 - the Windows NT version of PowerHouse has no
terminal interface</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>so you need to use either
PowerHouse Web or Axiant. Of these Axiant offers</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>the best re-use of your existing code but in either case there is a
LOT of</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>work to do. With PowerHouse Web you may
have to re-think the whole</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>application
interface. Even with Axiant issue such as aesthetics can bog</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>you down.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Problem 2 - many OpenVMS version features will not be
available to you under</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Windows NT. You will
need to identify these and re-write the code</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>accordingly. If you will be using a SQL type database such as
MS SQL Server</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>using embedded SQL in the code will
significantly enhance performance.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>I don't know what box you are running OpenVMS on but there
is NO Windows NT</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>machine that comes close to a
contemporary AlphaServer. Also given that</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>Compaq is porting OpenVMS to the Itanium processor (64 bit from
Intel) it</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>will mean that OpenVMS has a long life and
will run on boxes produced by HP,</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>IDM, Compaq, Dell,
whoever as long as it is an Itanium. Being that OpenVMS</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>is 64 bit and it will be awhile before Microsoft produce a
version of NT</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>that is not a patched-up version of
the 32 bit OS, OpenVMS is a much better</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>strategic
platform for the future for high-power applications. Purchase</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>costs difference will be insignificant and you can retain
your in-house</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>OpenVMS expertise. Clustering of
OpenVMS systems is light years ahead of</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Windows NT
clustering. No-one has ever successfully hacked into an OpenVMS</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>system without having a privileged account and viruses are
not written for</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>this OS, unlike for Windows
NT. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2>Regards,</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Blue</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>From:
Nekolny, George B. [<A
href="mailto:george.nekolny@denverwater.org">mailto:george.nekolny@denverwater.org</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 12:35 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu'</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>Subject: Migrating PowerHouse from VMS to NT</FONT> </P><BR>
<P> <FONT size=2>We currently have
a number of applications running on PH 7.10.G3,</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>VMS. We are considering on migrating to PowerHouse on NT.
From some</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>initial inquiries I have been informed
that QUIZ and QTP will port over with</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>no
problems. QUICK (Qdesign), however, will require some rewriting due
to</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>differences is presentation. I have been
led to believe that about 20% of</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>the code will have
to be re-written, but was given no specifics. Is there</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>anyone out there that has covered this same ground who
could shed some light</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>on the conversion
process? If there is, I'd like to know your experiences</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>and some of the pit-falls.</FONT> </P><BR>
<P><FONT size=2>George B. Nekolny</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Denver Water
Dept.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>(303) 628-6243</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>George.Nekolny@denverwater.org</FONT> </P><BR>
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