Is PH dead?

David Morrison - Corporate dmorrison@mcbrideelectric.com
Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:53:05 -0700


This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand
this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C20B1F.214D4900
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="iso-8859-1"

Sam,
 
We utilize PH on the AS/400 (now iSeries), here in San Diego.  We're almost
certainly the only PH-AS/400 shop in the county, and maybe the only PH shop
of any platform left in the county (no PHWeb for us, of course).
 
The AS/400 is kind of like PH - it's got a lot of advantages, but is seen as
old and proprietary by many.
 
David Morrison
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Sam DeLeese [mailto:sdeleese@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 9:40 AM
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: Is PH dead?
 
Is PowerHouse Dead?  Empirical evidence here in Southern California would
suggest that if it is not already dead, it is certainly on life support.  I
was laid off last November, and I think I can count on one hand, (okay,
maybe both) the number of PH jobs that have been advertised.  Most of these
jobs also required knowledge of Oracle or Manman, neither of which I have.
But the point is, there are vitually no jobs in SoCal for PH programmers.  I
was working in an Alpha shop, and for the last year and a half, I was
working almost exclusively with PHWeb.  The new management at this company,
which laid me off, has also decided that they do not want to develop anymore
web apps with PHWeb.  They think it is too proprietary, they want something
more open.  They think it will easier for them to hire web programmers if
what they are developing in is more main stream.  Anyway, I am beginning my
8th month of this lay off, and I! have had one phone interview for a
potential PHWeb position (the company was thinking about purchasing PHWeb,
they didn't) and 1 face-to-face interview for a PH programming job, but my
lack of knowledge of Manman ultimately sunk me.  I am going to be beginning
classes soon to get a certificate in Oracle DBA and programming.  I learned
Powerhouse back when Cognos was still known as Quasar.  I love PH and PHWeb,
but for every 1 PH ad, there are at least 15 Oracle ads.  What are you going
to do?  I have over 15 years of experience with PH on both OpenVMS and MPE
platforms, and I feel as if I am an endangered species, almost extinct. 
If anyone in SoCal reads this, I would love to hear your take on the current
job market for PH programmers.




Regards,
Sam DeLeese
sdeleese@deleeseconsulting.com
visit us at WWW.DELEESECONSULTING.COM
 
  _____  

Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! <http://rd.yahoo.com/welcome/*http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com>  -
Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup

------_=_NextPart_001_01C20B1F.214D4900
Content-Type: text/html;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" =
xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" =
xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" =
xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">

<head>
<META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Diso-8859-1">


<meta name=3DProgId content=3DWord.Document>
<meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 9">
<meta name=3DOriginator content=3D"Microsoft Word 9">
<link rel=3DFile-List href=3D"cid:filelist.xml@01C20AE4.750B6EE0">
<link rel=3DEdit-Time-Data href=3D"cid:editdata.mso@01C20AE4.750B6EE0">
<!--[if !mso]>
<style>
v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
.shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
</style>
<![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
 <o:OfficeDocumentSettings>
  <o:DoNotRelyOnCSS/>
 </o:OfficeDocumentSettings>
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
 <w:WordDocument>
  <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom>
  <w:DocumentKind>DocumentEmail</w:DocumentKind>
  <w:EnvelopeVis/>
  <w:Compatibility>
   <w:ForgetLastTabAlignment/>
   <w:DoNotUseHTMLParagraphAutoSpacing/>
  </w:Compatibility>
 </w:WordDocument>
</xml><![endif]-->
<style>
<!--
 /* Font Definitions */
@font-face
	{font-family:Tahoma;
	panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;
	mso-font-charset:0;
	mso-generic-font-family:swiss;
	mso-font-pitch:variable;
	mso-font-signature:16792199 0 0 0 65791 0;}
 /* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
	{mso-style-parent:"";
	margin:0in;
	margin-bottom:.0001pt;
	mso-pagination:widow-orphan;
	font-size:12.0pt;
	font-family:"Times New Roman";
	mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
	{color:blue;
	text-decoration:underline;
	text-underline:single;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
	{color:blue;
	text-decoration:underline;
	text-underline:single;}
p.MsoAutoSig, li.MsoAutoSig, div.MsoAutoSig
	{margin:0in;
	margin-bottom:.0001pt;
	mso-pagination:widow-orphan;
	font-size:12.0pt;
	font-family:"Times New Roman";
	mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";}
p
	{margin-right:0in;
	mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
	mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
	margin-left:0in;
	mso-pagination:widow-orphan;
	font-size:12.0pt;
	font-family:"Times New Roman";
	mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";}
span.EmailStyle19
	{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
	mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt;
	mso-ascii-font-family:Arial;
	mso-hansi-font-family:Arial;
	mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
	color:navy;}
@page Section1
	{size:8.5in 11.0in;
	margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;
	mso-header-margin:.5in;
	mso-footer-margin:.5in;
	mso-paper-source:0;}
div.Section1
	{page:Section1;}
-->
</style>
</head>

<body lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue vlink=3Dblue =
style=3D'tab-interval:.5in'>

<div class=3DSection1>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStyle19><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>S=
am,<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStyle19><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><=
![if =
!supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>=


<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStyle19><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>W=
e utilize
PH on the AS/400 (now iSeries), here in San Diego.<span =
style=3D"mso-spacerun:
yes">&nbsp; </span>We&#8217;re almost certainly the only PH-AS/400 shop =
in the
county, and maybe the only PH shop of any platform left in the county =
(no PHWeb
for us, of course).<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStyle19><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><=
![if =
!supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>=


<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStyle19><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>T=
he AS/400
is kind of like PH &#8211; it&#8217;s got a lot of advantages, but is =
seen as old and
proprietary by many.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStyle19><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><=
![if =
!supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>=


<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><!--[if supportFields]><span =
class=3DEmailStyle19><font=20
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><span =
style=3D'mso-element:field-begin'></span><span=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</span>AUTOTEXTLIST \s &quot;E-mail=20
Signature&quot; <span =
style=3D'mso-element:field-separator'></span></span></font></span><![end=
if]--><font
color=3Dnavy><span style=3D'color:navy'>David =
Morrison</span></font><font size=3D2
color=3Dnavy><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><!--[if supportFields]><span =
class=3DEmailStyle19><font=20
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><span =
style=3D'mso-element:field-end'></span></span></font></span><![endif]-->=
<span
class=3DEmailStyle19><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>=


<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Sam DeLeese
[mailto:sdeleese@yahoo.com]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, June 03, =
2002 9:40
AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
powerh-l@lists.swau.edu<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Is PH =
dead?</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Is PowerHouse Dead?&nbsp; =
Empirical
evidence here in Southern California would suggest that if it is not =
already
dead, it is certainly on life support.&nbsp; I was laid off last =
November, and
I think I can count on one hand, (okay, maybe both) the number of PH =
jobs that
have been advertised.&nbsp; Most of these jobs also <em><i>required =
</i></em>knowledge
of Oracle or Manman, neither of which I have.&nbsp; But the point is, =
there are
vitually no jobs in SoCal for PH programmers.&nbsp; I was working in an =
Alpha
shop, and for the last year and a half, I was working almost =
exclusively with
PHWeb.&nbsp; The new management at this company, which laid me off, has =
also
decided that they do not want to develop anymore web apps with =
PHWeb.&nbsp;
They think it is too proprietary, they want something more open.&nbsp; =
They
think it will easier for them to hire web programmers if what they are
developing in is more main stream.&nbsp; Anyway, I am beginning my 8th =
month of
this lay off, and I! have had one phone interview for a potential PHWeb
position (the company was thinking about purchasing PHWeb, they didn't) =
and 1
face-to-face interview for a PH programming job, but my lack of =
knowledge of
Manman ultimately sunk me.&nbsp; I am going to be beginning classes =
soon to get
a certificate in Oracle DBA and programming.&nbsp; I learned Powerhouse =
back
when Cognos was still known as Quasar.&nbsp; I love PH and PHWeb, but =
for every
1 PH ad, there are at least 15 Oracle ads.&nbsp; What are you going to =
do?&nbsp;
I have over 15 years of experience with PH on both OpenVMS and MPE =
platforms,
and I feel as if I am an endangered species, almost extinct. =
</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font>=
</p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>If anyone in SoCal reads this, I =
would
love to hear your take on the current job market for PH =
programmers.</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font>=
</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Sam DeLeese<br>
sdeleese@deleeseconsulting.com<br>
visit us at WWW.DELEESECONSULTING.COM</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font>=
</p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]></span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font>=
</p>


<div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;text-align:center'><font
size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
color:black'>

<hr size=3D1 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter>

</span></font></div>


<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black;font-weight:
bold'>Do You Yahoo!?</span></font></b><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:
black'><br>
<a =
href=3D"http://rd.yahoo.com/welcome/*http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com">Yaho=
o!</a>
- Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font>=
</p>

</div>

</body>

</html>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C20B1F.214D4900--