VMS/Rdb to UNIX/Oracle (classic)

[Read, Ged]

Hi Blue,

Your already preaching to the converted.

We haven't got VMS/Rdb V8 (beta) but I've upgraded to V7.0-31 quite some
time ago. I thought that Rdb/NT was released, free of charge, last year but
will not be 'officially' supported. Which means there are no guarantees, and
you can't run a live system with that; very sad :(

As for PH V8.2, we've got this but it was the 'VMS' specific commands (POW,
mailbox, etc...), V8.3 I think, that would have been useful and helped with
the decision to stay on VMS. But if our 'Bean Counter' pushes this forward
there's not much that can be done.

Ged


-----Original Message-----
From: Robert J.M. Edis [mailto:robert.edis@creatcomp.com]
Sent: 20 April 2000 16:13
To: 'Read, Ged '
Subject: RE: VMS/Rdb to UNIX/Oracle (classic)


G'day Ged

Have you checked out the Oracle Rdb web pages?  Oracle released upgrades to
version 7 recently and version 8 for VMS is imminent.  Oracle Rdb v8 was
released for Windows NT last year.  Oracle IS moving with Rdb, it's just
that they having brought it's local sales reps up-to-speed.  Check out
www.oracle.com/rdb and the RdbJournal pages.

Cognos released PH8 for VMS two years ago!  It's up to 8.20 now with 8.3 in
the works.

Let me find that TCO report I had and I'll send it to you to show your
'bean' counters.

Regards,

Blue 

-----Original Message-----
From: Read, Ged
To: 'PowerH-L'
Sent: 4/20/00 3:44 AM
Subject: RE: VMS/Rdb to UNIX/Oracle (classic)


Hi Blue,

The usual story, a bean counter (accountant) for an IT director, big
ideas
about selling an in house system. The other problem is the ambiguous
messages from Oracle regarding Rdb (great product), they talk a good
fight
but... What about the de-support notice on Database Integrator and how
many
Oracle sales rep's have you seen actively trying to push Rdb?

Has anyone heard a release date for PowerHouse V8 on VMS? How long has
this
been planned? Maybe Cognos also have these doubts.

Don't get me wrong I believe VMS/Rdb to be one of the best systems
around:
it's stable, fast and has lots of useful tools. But I'm just a
technician
that shovels the muck after it's hit the fan.

Ged


-----Original Message-----
From: Robert J.M. Edis [mailto:robert.edis@creatcomp.com]
Sent: 19 April 2000 19:21
To: 'Read, Ged '
Subject: RE: VMS/Rdb to UNIX/Oracle (classic)


G'day Ged

Detroit Edison's Fermi nuclear site did this about 1.5 years ago.  I was
invloved at the beggining of the project.  Try emailing
mehr-maybdih@dte.com
or sharmap@dte.com for details.

Why are you you moving from VMS/Oracle Rdb to unix/Oracle 7? ???

TCO on VMS/alpha systems over 3 to 5 years is a lot less than either
AIX,
Solaris and especially HP/UX systems.  Oracle Rdb is a faster RDBMS than
Oracle 7, if you make use of embedded SQL in your PowerHouse code and
database triggers, and has better management tools.

Regards,

Blue

(I currently work in a HP/UX, Oracle 7.3.4, PH 7.33.d3 environment but
have
worked with VMS/Rdb for many years)

-----Original Message-----
From: Read, Ged
To: 'PowerH-L'
Sent: 4/19/00 7:52 AM
Subject: VMS/Rdb to UNIX/Oracle (classic)


Hi,

Has anyone ported their PowerHouse system from OpenVMS with an Oracle
Rdb
database to a Unix environment with Oracle (classic) database?

Does anyone have a list of problem that can/could occur? I'm wondering
if
transaction handling (two-phase commit) and transaction models change
their
behaviour with the change in database. I don't seem to be able to find
anything on the Cognos website.

Thanks in advance for any info' that may help.

Ged Read

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