[Bulk] RE: Stunning relicense quote

[Craig Lalley]

If I remember correctly, my customer was paying 37k per year for maintenance.
Powerhouse was promoting a free transfer of licenses from MPE to HP-UX at the time (years ago).The cost of the "free" transfer was north of 30k.    The customer stole from maintenance budget to pay for the 
transfer, with the plan of moving off of HP-UX ASAP.
-Craig


      From: Charles Finley <cfinley at xformix.com>
 To: 'Ken Langendock' <Ken at Langendock.com>; 'Herald Kaffka' <Herald.Kaffka at westfraser.com>; 'Craig Lalley' <mr_lalley at yahoo.com>; 'Ron Seybold' <rseybold at sbcglobal.net>; powerh-l at lists.sowder.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 6:36 AM
 Subject: RE: [Bulk] RE: Stunning relicense quote
   
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Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 6:00 AM
To: cfinley at xformix.com; 'Herald Kaffka'; 'Craig Lalley'; 'Ron Seybold'; powerh-l at lists.sowder.com
Subject: RE: [Bulk] RE: Stunning relicense quote  From what I have heard, nothing is included in the licence, they are just trying to make back what they invested so far, quickly.Sounds like a dumb-a$$ thing to do if you ask me.Powerhouse was always looked over because of run time licence cost. These guys just haven’t learned that yet it seams.  As for different platforms, there are things that you can do to make this process easier.1)     Stop using dashes and under scores in your field/file naming conventions (mixed case works great, fields are singular, files are plural).2)     Use Segmented Keys, do not substructure anything in your files.3)     Stop hard coding machine specific code. I created a launch system that works on all machine platforms (except as400, never worked on that one) without changing anything.4)     Stop hard coding groups (on HP3000), run your app using scripts (QKS, sets location to exe, proclocs to source. QTC, sets location to subgroup, proclocs to exe. Etc)  Ken  From: powerh-l-bounces+ken.langendock=rogers.com at lists.sowder.com [mailto:powerh-l-bounces+ken.langendock=rogers.com at lists.sowder.com] On Behalf Of Charles Finley
Sent: November 1, 2016 1:02 PM
To: 'Herald Kaffka' <Herald.Kaffka at westfraser.com>; 'Craig Lalley' <mr_lalley at yahoo.com>; 'Ron Seybold' <rseybold at sbcglobal.net>; powerh-l at lists.sowder.com
Subject: [Bulk] RE: Stunning relicense quote  Herald raises an important point about a platform change.  Focusing on the base language is misleading at best.  What he identifies as the background processing/shell scripting, etc.  Is usually more difficult to migrate than the base application.  Therefore, I suspect that there could be more to the story than simply the Powerhouse license.  For example, if the customer has some dependent 3GL code such as COBOL, a few 3rd party products such as Suprtool, MPEX along with JCL, UDC’S, Command Files the cost to migrate all of that and the database and other file types could well exceed the price of the Powerhouse license.  Further, there are some differences in how Powerhouse on a Linux platform uses databases and adaptations must be made for those.   It will be interesting to see what all was quoted, if anything, along with the Powerhouse license.   Charles Finley(619) 795-0720  From: powerh-l-bounces+cfinley=xformix.com at lists.sowder.com [mailto:powerh-l-bounces+cfinley=xformix.com at lists.sowder.com] On Behalf Of Herald Kaffka
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 7:58 AM
To: Craig Lalley; Ron Seybold; powerh-l at lists.sowder.com
Subject: RE: Stunning relicense quote  Big part of those costs “should” be related to how much background processing/Shell scripting you have.The Native Powerhouse portion should not require much programming effort, but batch/embedded shell scriptsAre an entirely different can of worms.  If that’s simply a software licensing quote, then somebody really is pushing their migration consulting services…  (We looked at moving from VMS to LINUX at one point, it wasn’t the Native Powerhouse portion that nixed the ideal, It was the Batch/Shell scripting work).  Decision was to “support in place” until such a time as we hit “replace in total”.      
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