Powerhouse and my personality disorder.

[Robert Edis]

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Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:56:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Robert Edis <robeconsult@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Powerhouse and my personality disorder.
To: "Fyfield, Derek" <DEREK.FYFIELD@orbit.net>
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You guys make me feel like a privileged baby!  Punch
cards were just a curiosity in my first year at
college.  I don't think I've ever done programming
without a monitor of some sort and I started in 1986.

Hey, I've got a real up-to-date (1992) MicroVAX
workstation you could buy if you want to update to
something modern.  And how about a Commodore Vic20
(2KB RAM) for a real programming challenge?

Blue

--- "Fyfield, Derek" <DEREK.FYFIELD@orbit.net> wrote:

> Hi Richard,
> 
> Yes, you could use cards to store data.  I used
> paper tape in '69.  It
> probably gave a more physical meaning to 'Cut and
> paste' when one had to
> splice in new numbers into a torn tape.  Cards had
> something of an advantage
> though.  Instead of punching an entirely new card if
> there was only one hole
> wrong, one could temporarily plug the column with a
> spare chad from the
> punch's waste-bin, expanding it into position with a
> bit of pressure and
> maybe a damp finger, and then repunching the
> character.  It was a one-time
> solution used when overcrowding in the office meant
> the only card-punch
> available was the finger-powered Hollerith.
> 
> Regards,
>  
> Derek Fyfield
> Orbit Bahrain HO 
> SMS Development & Report Writing
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Sheehan [mailto:sheerich@isu.edu] 
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 5:16 PM
> To: Deskin, Bob
> Cc: Joe Boyle; Guy Werry; powerh-l@lists.sowder.com
> Subject: Re: Powerhouse and my personality disorder.
> 
> Of course you can do plenty of stuff with a small
> amount of memory.  You 
> just have to decide how many times you want to
> write/read the results 
> to/from some other medium while crunching other
> numbers.
> 
> So were punch cards used for storing data as well as
> coding?  - Newbie 
> question here :-)
> 
> 
> 
> Richard Sheehan
> College of Technology - Student Services
> IT Programmer Analyst
> 208-282-4427
> Idaho State University
> Pocatello, ID  83209-8380
> 
> 
> 
> Deskin, Bob wrote:
> 
> >I know I'm a bit evangelical (as in passionate
> support for) about PH Web,
> but not this time. You really could do a lot of
> stuff in small memory.
> >
> >Bob
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Joe Boyle [mailto:atla38@dsl.pipex.com]
> >Sent: April 22, 2005 6:53 PM
> >To: Deskin, Bob; 'Guy Werry';
> powerh-l@lists.sowder.com
> >Subject: RE: Powerhouse and my personality
> disorder.
> >
> >
> >I am thinking that BobD might be swinging the
> conversation towards the
> >excellent value to be tapped from the Phweb cgi exe
> - no ?
> >
> >Regards, Joe.
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com
> >[mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com] On Behalf
> Of Deskin, Bob
> >Sent: 22 April 2005 22:43
> >To: Joe Boyle; Guy Werry; powerh-l@lists.sowder.com
> >Subject: RE: Powerhouse and my personality
> disorder.
> >
> >You could do an amazing amount of processing with
> 4K, but not colour
> >graphics.
> >
> >Bob
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com
> >[mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com] On Behalf
> Of Joe Boyle
> >Sent: April 22, 2005 5:32 PM
> >To: 'Guy Werry'; powerh-l@lists.sowder.com
> >Subject: RE: Powerhouse and my personality
> disorder.
> >
> >
> >I am splitting my sides after reading enough to
> create even an image of
> >where this might be heading - for which many thanks
> :)
> >
> >Presumably with only 4K they were able to logon -
> which verified that if
> >they had more memory - the 'whole computing thing'
> might be worth
> >pursuing
> >:)
> >
> >Regards, Joe.
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com
> >[mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com] On Behalf
> Of Guy Werry
> >Sent: 22 April 2005 21:53
> >To: powerh-l@lists.sowder.com
> >Subject: RE: Powerhouse and my personallity
> disorder.
> >
> >I can't top that, although I did talk to an
> old-timer who had been in
> >computers since 1958.  The first machine he worked
> on had 4K.  They used
> >to diagnose memory problems by turning all of the
> memory on and then
> >turning the lights in the memory ROOM off, walking
> in and looking for
> >burned-out tubes!  (I think that the 'valves' term
> might be British).
> >
> >Guy.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Joe Boyle [mailto:atla38@dsl.pipex.com]
> >Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 3:42 PM
> >To: 'Deskin, Bob'; powerh-l@lists.sowder.com
> >Subject: RE: Powerhouse and my personallity
> disorder.
> >
> >
> >my first boss in COBOL used to regail us with
> stories of having to smack
> >'valves' with a broom handle to test which one had
> failed - beat that !
> >
> >Regards, Joe.
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com
> >[mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com] On Behalf
> Of Deskin, Bob
> >Sent: 22 April 2005 21:13
> >To: powerh-l@lists.sowder.com
> >Subject: RE: Powerhouse and my personallity
> disorder.
> >
> >Hey, I figure I can still code a mean COBOL
> program. By the way, it
> >should be spelled in uppercase since it's an
> acronym for COmmon Business
> >Oriented Language. And I'm not THAT old. Mind you,
> I never learned how
> >to touch type or keyboard as it's called now. My
> son puts me to shame.
> >On the other hand, I made fewer mistakes with those
> punched cards :-)
> >
> >Bob
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com
> >[mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com] On Behalf
> Of Ken Langendock
> >Sent: April 22, 2005 3:59 PM
> >To: powerh-l@lists.sowder.com
> >Subject: RE: Powerhouse and my personallity
> disorder.
> >
> >
> >ARGGGGG COBOL. Haven't used that since my first
> year
> >of professional programming....back in 1986.
> >
> >As for your typing teacher...mine looked like an
> old battle-axe. Hence I
> >took auto mechanics instead. Maybe if yours was at
> my school I would
> >have taken it...definately would have learned to
> type without looking at
> 
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