Current Challenges etc. in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING !)
Berry, Robert
Bob.Berry@Cognos.com
Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:29:17 -0500
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And if you're a supported customer you will be receiving both AXiant and
PowerHouse Web along with the latest release of PowerHouse 4GL, that is
scheduled to ship any day now.
Bob
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[mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com]On Behalf Of Deskin, Bob
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:22 PM
To: 'Tim Cummings'; 'powerh-l@lists.sowder.com'
Subject: RE: Current Challenges etc. in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING !)
PowerHouse on Windows NT/2000/XP is the same as PowerHouse on the other
server platforms. It is not a GUI (that's Axiant). It runs in a command box.
It's as good a tool as PowerHouse elsewhere. We also have PowerHouse Web on
Windows NT/2000/XP.
For web development (on all platforms), you use QDESIGN or Axiant. Just like
the PowerHouse philosophy, we believe in make it work then make it pretty.
For the web, QDESIGN generates an HTML template. You make the page work,
then you modify the template using whatever editor (GUI or text) that you'd
like.
Bob
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[mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com] On Behalf Of Tim Cummings
Sent: March 29, 2004 3:03 PM
To: 'powerh-l@lists.sowder.com'
Subject: RE: Current Challenges etc. in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING !)
How about, how well it is performing?
How good of a tool is it to do web development?
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From: Deskin, Bob [mailto:Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:54 PM
To: 'Tim Cummings'; Deskin, Bob; 'Kent Heatherington';
'powerh-l@lists.sowder.com'
Subject: RE: Current Challenges etc. in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING !)
Sorry, we don't release sales figures on specific platforms.
Bob
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From: Tim Cummings [mailto:tim.cummings@frequencymarketing.com]
Sent: March 29, 2004 2:50 PM
To: 'Deskin, Bob'; 'Kent Heatherington'; 'powerh-l@lists.sowder.com'
Subject: RE: Current Challenges etc. in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING !)
Bob,
How well are sales of PH on the windows platform? Do you have any data on
that?
Tim Cummings
Cincinnati, OH
-----Original Message-----
From: Deskin, Bob [mailto:Bob.Deskin@cognos.com]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:57 PM
To: 'Kent Heatherington'; 'powerh-l@lists.sowder.com'
Subject: RE: Current Challenges etc. in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING !)
This is totally my own opinion and experience.
Why would people continue to use the HPe3000, MPE/iX and IMAGE? Because it's
like PowerHouse - it works (the vast majority of the time). MPE/iX is a
solid, if not flashy, OS and quite reliable. Many companies who bought into
HP3000 many years ago never found a reason to move elsewhere. This is not to
invite comparison or to disparage anything else. If a customer is happy, it
doesn't matter whether something else is better unless it's overwhelmingly
better.
Bob
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From: powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com [
mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com
<mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com> ] On Behalf Of Kent Heatherington
Sent: March 27, 2004 10:57 AM
To: 'powerh-l@lists.sowder.com'
Subject: Current Challenges etc. in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING !)
Bob
Here is my list to share with everyone.
1. The clients I have worked for in the last couple of years all have the
same thoughts on Cognos
1. The Maintenance is too expensive
2. They know Cognos is no longer interested in the product in any way.
3. They all know their companies or Guv depts are moving to ERP,
Oracle,SAP,Peoplesoft etc...
4. They want to do as little as possible to their legacy PH systems.
5. The techie clients want nothing to do with any Cognos Product. They
seem to want to buy anything but.
I've encountered several with this bias. These folks are just plain
angry over the PH episode.
And yet despite all of this, they continue to use the product. What an
amazing testament.
2. My personal challenges. Finding Work ! Apparently our skills developed
building PH apps on a variety of
platforms is completely useless. With Cognos training, Crystal Etc.. we are
considered to be newbies and useless. 5 years experience required on that
list of 10 skillsets required..
So to say Cognos dropping the ball with PowerHouse has certainly presented
a job challenge is an understatement.
3. Work Challenges.
Ok now I'm going to really start something. What is with this HP. I'd
forgotten just how stupid this box really is !. After years of Open/VMS and
Unix, despite having spent the first 5 years of my career on HP
I'm ruined. 8 character file names ! Image still in use ! No PHD
There is my challenge. Why would anyone still use this thing ! (now I'm in
for it !)
Regards to my fellow PH dinosaurs....
Kent Heatherington
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<DIV><SPAN class=978063720-29032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>And if
you're a supported customer you will be receiving both AXiant and PowerHouse Web
along with the latest release of PowerHouse 4GL, that is scheduled to ship any
day now.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=978063720-29032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=978063720-29032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Bob</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com [mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>Deskin, Bob<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 29, 2004 3:22
PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Tim Cummings';
'powerh-l@lists.sowder.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Current Challenges etc. in
the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING !)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=322091820-29032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>PowerHouse on Windows NT/2000/XP is the same as PowerHouse on the other
server platforms. It is not a GUI (that's Axiant). It runs in a command box.
It's as good a tool as PowerHouse elsewhere. We also have PowerHouse Web on
Windows NT/2000/XP.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=322091820-29032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=322091820-29032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>For
web development (on all platforms), you use QDESIGN or Axiant. Just like the
PowerHouse philosophy, we believe in make it work then make it pretty. For the
web, QDESIGN generates an HTML template. You make the page work, then you
modify the template using whatever editor (GUI or text) that you'd
like.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=322091820-29032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=322091820-29032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Bob</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com [mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Tim Cummings<BR><B>Sent:</B> March 29, 2004 3:03
PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'powerh-l@lists.sowder.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Current
Challenges etc. in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING !)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=456000320-29032004>How about, how well it is
performing?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=456000320-29032004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=456000320-29032004>How good of a tool is it to do web
development?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Deskin, Bob
[mailto:Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 29, 2004 2:54
PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Tim Cummings'; Deskin, Bob; 'Kent Heatherington';
'powerh-l@lists.sowder.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Current Challenges etc.
in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING !)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=663105419-29032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Sorry, we don't release sales figures on specific
platforms.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=663105419-29032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=663105419-29032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Bob</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tim
Cummings [mailto:tim.cummings@frequencymarketing.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B>
March 29, 2004 2:50 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Deskin, Bob'; 'Kent
Heatherington'; 'powerh-l@lists.sowder.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
Current Challenges etc. in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING
!)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=550055019-29032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Bob,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=550055019-29032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2>H<SPAN
class=550055019-29032004>ow well are sales of PH on the windows
platform? Do you have any data on
that?</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=550055019-29032004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=550055019-29032004>Tim Cummings</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=550055019-29032004>Cincinnati,
OH</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Deskin, Bob
[mailto:Bob.Deskin@cognos.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 29, 2004
1:57 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Kent Heatherington';
'powerh-l@lists.sowder.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Current Challenges
etc. in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING !)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>This is totally my own opinion and experience.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT size=2>Why would people continue to use the HPe3000, MPE/iX
and IMAGE? Because it's like PowerHouse - it works (the vast majority
of the time). MPE/iX is a solid, if not flashy, OS and quite reliable.
Many companies who bought into HP3000 many years ago never found a
reason to move elsewhere. This is not to invite comparison or to
disparage anything else. If a customer is happy, it doesn't matter
whether something else is better unless it's overwhelmingly
better.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2>Bob</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>From: powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com [<A
href="mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com">mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com</A>]
On Behalf Of Kent Heatherington</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Sent: March
27, 2004 10:57 AM</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>To:
'powerh-l@lists.sowder.com'</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Subject: Current
Challenges etc. in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING !)</FONT>
</P><BR><BR>
<P><FONT size=2>Bob</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2> Here is my list to share with everyone.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT size=2>1. The clients I have worked for in the last
couple of years all have the same thoughts on Cognos</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2> 1. The Maintenance is too
expensive</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2> 2. They know
Cognos is no longer interested in the product in any way.</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2> 3. They all know their companies
or Guv depts are moving to ERP, Oracle,SAP,Peoplesoft etc...</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2> 4. They want to do as little as
possible to their legacy PH systems.</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2> 5. The techie clients want nothing to do
with any Cognos Product. They seem to want to buy anything but.</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2> I've
encountered several with this bias. These folks are just plain
angry over the PH episode.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2> And yet despite all of this, they continue to
use the product. What an amazing testament.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>2. My personal challenges. Finding Work
! Apparently our skills developed building PH apps on a variety
of</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>platforms is completely useless. With
Cognos training, Crystal Etc.. we are considered to be newbies and
useless. 5 years experience required on that list of 10 skillsets
required..</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2> So to say Cognos dropping the ball with
PowerHouse has certainly presented a job challenge is an
understatement.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>3. Work Challenges.</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2> Ok now I'm going to really start something.
What is with this HP. I'd forgotten just how stupid this box really is
!. After years of Open/VMS and Unix, despite having spent the first 5
years of my career on HP </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2>I'm ruined. 8 character file names ! Image
still in use ! No PHD </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>There is my
challenge. Why would anyone still use this thing ! (now
I'm in for it !)</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Regards to my fellow PH dinosaurs....</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Kent Heatherington</FONT> </P><BR><BR><BR>
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