Current Challenges etc. in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING !)
Tim Cummings
tim.cummings@frequencymarketing.com
Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:03:25 -0500
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How about, how well it is performing?
How good of a tool is it to do web development?
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From: Deskin, Bob [mailto:Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:54 PM
To: 'Tim Cummings'; Deskin, Bob; 'Kent Heatherington';
'powerh-l@lists.sowder.com'
Subject: RE: Current Challenges etc. in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING !)
Sorry, we don't release sales figures on specific platforms.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Cummings [mailto:tim.cummings@frequencymarketing.com]
Sent: March 29, 2004 2:50 PM
To: 'Deskin, Bob'; 'Kent Heatherington'; 'powerh-l@lists.sowder.com'
Subject: RE: Current Challenges etc. in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING !)
Bob,
How well are sales of PH on the windows platform? Do you have any data on
that?
Tim Cummings
Cincinnati, OH
-----Original Message-----
From: Deskin, Bob [mailto:Bob.Deskin@cognos.com]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:57 PM
To: 'Kent Heatherington'; 'powerh-l@lists.sowder.com'
Subject: RE: Current Challenges etc. in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING !)
This is totally my own opinion and experience.
Why would people continue to use the HPe3000, MPE/iX and IMAGE? Because it's
like PowerHouse - it works (the vast majority of the time). MPE/iX is a
solid, if not flashy, OS and quite reliable. Many companies who bought into
HP3000 many years ago never found a reason to move elsewhere. This is not to
invite comparison or to disparage anything else. If a customer is happy, it
doesn't matter whether something else is better unless it's overwhelmingly
better.
Bob
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From: powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com [
mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com
<mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com> ] On Behalf Of Kent Heatherington
Sent: March 27, 2004 10:57 AM
To: 'powerh-l@lists.sowder.com'
Subject: Current Challenges etc. in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING !)
Bob
Here is my list to share with everyone.
1. The clients I have worked for in the last couple of years all have the
same thoughts on Cognos
1. The Maintenance is too expensive
2. They know Cognos is no longer interested in the product in any way.
3. They all know their companies or Guv depts are moving to ERP,
Oracle,SAP,Peoplesoft etc...
4. They want to do as little as possible to their legacy PH systems.
5. The techie clients want nothing to do with any Cognos Product. They
seem to want to buy anything but.
I've encountered several with this bias. These folks are just plain
angry over the PH episode.
And yet despite all of this, they continue to use the product. What an
amazing testament.
2. My personal challenges. Finding Work ! Apparently our skills developed
building PH apps on a variety of
platforms is completely useless. With Cognos training, Crystal Etc.. we are
considered to be newbies and useless. 5 years experience required on that
list of 10 skillsets required..
So to say Cognos dropping the ball with PowerHouse has certainly presented
a job challenge is an understatement.
3. Work Challenges.
Ok now I'm going to really start something. What is with this HP. I'd
forgotten just how stupid this box really is !. After years of Open/VMS and
Unix, despite having spent the first 5 years of my career on HP
I'm ruined. 8 character file names ! Image still in use ! No PHD
There is my challenge. Why would anyone still use this thing ! (now I'm in
for it !)
Regards to my fellow PH dinosaurs....
Kent Heatherington
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=456000320-29032004>How
about, how well it is performing?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=456000320-29032004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=456000320-29032004>How
good of a tool is it to do web development?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Deskin, Bob
[mailto:Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 29, 2004 2:54
PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Tim Cummings'; Deskin, Bob; 'Kent Heatherington';
'powerh-l@lists.sowder.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Current Challenges etc. in
the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING !)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=663105419-29032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Sorry, we don't release sales figures on specific
platforms.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=663105419-29032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=663105419-29032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Bob</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tim Cummings
[mailto:tim.cummings@frequencymarketing.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> March 29, 2004
2:50 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Deskin, Bob'; 'Kent Heatherington';
'powerh-l@lists.sowder.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Current Challenges etc.
in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING !)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=550055019-29032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Bob,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=550055019-29032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2>H<SPAN
class=550055019-29032004>ow well are sales of PH on the windows
platform? Do you have any data on
that?</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=550055019-29032004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=550055019-29032004>Tim Cummings</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=550055019-29032004>Cincinnati, OH</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Deskin, Bob
[mailto:Bob.Deskin@cognos.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 29, 2004 1:57
PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Kent Heatherington';
'powerh-l@lists.sowder.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Current Challenges etc.
in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING !)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>This is totally my own opinion and experience.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Why would people continue to use the HPe3000, MPE/iX and
IMAGE? Because it's like PowerHouse - it works (the vast majority of the
time). MPE/iX is a solid, if not flashy, OS and quite reliable. Many
companies who bought into HP3000 many years ago never found a reason to
move elsewhere. This is not to invite comparison or to disparage anything
else. If a customer is happy, it doesn't matter whether something else is
better unless it's overwhelmingly better.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2>Bob</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>From:
powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com [<A
href="mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com">mailto:powerh-l-admin@lists.sowder.com</A>]
On Behalf Of Kent Heatherington</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Sent: March 27,
2004 10:57 AM</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>To:
'powerh-l@lists.sowder.com'</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Subject: Current
Challenges etc. in the PowerHouse World (SHRINKING !)</FONT> </P><BR><BR>
<P><FONT size=2>Bob</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2> Here is my list to share with everyone.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>1. The clients I have worked for in the last couple
of years all have the same thoughts on Cognos</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2> 1. The Maintenance is too
expensive</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2> 2. They know Cognos
is no longer interested in the product in any way.</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2> 3. They all know their companies or Guv depts
are moving to ERP, Oracle,SAP,Peoplesoft etc...</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2> 4. They want to do as little as possible to
their legacy PH systems.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2> 5. The
techie clients want nothing to do with any Cognos Product. They seem to
want to buy anything but.</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2> I've encountered several
with this bias. These folks are just plain angry over the PH
episode.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2> And yet despite all of this, they continue to use
the product. What an amazing testament.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>2. My personal challenges. Finding Work
! Apparently our skills developed building PH apps on a variety
of</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>platforms is completely useless. With Cognos
training, Crystal Etc.. we are considered to be newbies and useless. 5
years experience required on that list of 10 skillsets
required..</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2> So to say Cognos dropping the ball with PowerHouse
has certainly presented a job challenge is an understatement.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>3. Work Challenges.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>
Ok now I'm going to really start something. What is with this HP.
I'd forgotten just how stupid this box really is !. After years of
Open/VMS and Unix, despite having spent the first 5 years of my career on
HP </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2>I'm ruined. 8 character file names ! Image
still in use ! No PHD </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>There is my
challenge. Why would anyone still use this thing ! (now I'm in
for it !)</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Regards to my fellow PH dinosaurs....</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Kent Heatherington</FONT> </P><BR><BR><BR>
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