Thank you so far and background for: Initial Estimate guideline f or a straight green-screen Axiant migration
Robert Edis
robeconsult@sbcglobal.net
Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:39:34 -0700 (PDT)
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G'day Wilbert
Is the ERP cost estimate based on what the vendor said? If so then your client better increase the budget by 50% based on industry experience with such projects. If the vendor "customises" the ERP for the client then better tripple the budget!
Plus if the ERP is SAP or Oracle stretch the duration out 2 to 4 times quoted and be prepared to go to "Plan B" after project threatens the economic viability of the firm and all the programmers have found more interesting jobs.
There are PowerHouse based ERPs out there too. Visibility is a good one, about half the annual maintenance license of Oracle Manufacturing.
Also if the ERP is a popular one (E.g. Oracle, SAP, PeopleSoft, JD Edwards) then the annual license will be very high and the sales people will be continually trying to get the client to by add-ons.
Good luck!
Blue
PS any contract work in the there if the PH conversion goes ahead? :)
"VISSERS,WILBERT (HP-NewZealand,ex1)" <wilbert.vissers@hp.com> wrote:
Blue, Mark, Glenn, Jon, Bob, John, Andrew, Christina, Stephen
Thank you very much for helping out. Quick+Eloquence, new contacts,
MPE->Windows for printing, batch jobs, thank you.
I thought I'd share the background to what we're doing, and will let you
know how we go:
Here goes.
We have been scoping the following options, looking at Total Cost of
Ownership over the next 10 years, ie business drivers, migration, support,
risks, opportunities, future change expected.
* Migration of the current application to:
Unix - For comparison only and not being recommended in this
case as
all our Customer's other apps are in Windows
Windows/2000 - This environment preferred at this stage, with
requests
to have both green-screens and windows-screens
which means either Quick+Eloquence if just-green
screens initially/quickly
or Axiant if both initially
* Full rewrite - For comparison only and not being recommended
* Migration of core components to Windows/2000 with other parts
replaced by ERP
- this is a future option not attractive straight away but
still possible -
- currently consider best to get to Windows first then
evolve, not do both -
* Migration to ERP + ERP provider doing customisation
- strong competitor option so other options need to be good
value
* Do nothing till early 2006 then decide
- timing not correct for Customer, needs 2004 or 2005
- due to own reasons not technical ones.
At this stage it looks very much like the total cost of migrating the
existing (good) application to Windows will be around half to a third the
cost of migrating to an ERP, that is after all is said and paid for from the
Customer's business end. Plus a chunk lower total cost over 10 years. This
comes down to the efficiency of Powerhouse as it doesn't apply if other
toolsets were to be used, in this case that is. This gives our Customer a
better choice: of doing BOTH 'competitive advantage / local things' in
Powerhouse in future, plus evolving to the some ERP modules as they show
value, instead of living with the downside of just one or the other.
So wish us luck that this is a match with what our Customer needs. Board
meeting in late November, project of some sort in mid 2004 / 2005
Wilbert
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<DIV>G'day Wilbert</DIV>
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<DIV>Is the ERP cost estimate based on what the vendor said? If so then your client better increase the budget by 50% based on industry experience with such projects. If the vendor "customises" the ERP for the client then better tripple the budget!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Plus if the ERP is SAP or Oracle stretch the duration out 2 to 4 times quoted and be prepared to go to "Plan B" after project threatens the economic viability of the firm and all the programmers have found more interesting jobs.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>There are PowerHouse based ERPs out there too. Visibility is a good one, about half the annual maintenance license of Oracle Manufacturing.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Also if the ERP is a popular one (E.g. Oracle, SAP, PeopleSoft, JD Edwards) then the annual license will be very high and the sales people will be continually trying to get the client to by add-ons.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Good luck!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Blue<BR></DIV>
<DIV>PS any contract work in the there if the PH conversion goes ahead? :)<BR><B><I>"VISSERS,WILBERT (HP-NewZealand,ex1)" <wilbert.vissers@hp.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><BR>Blue, Mark, Glenn, Jon, Bob, John, Andrew, Christina, Stephen<BR><BR>Thank you very much for helping out. Quick+Eloquence, new contacts,<BR>MPE->Windows for printing, batch jobs, thank you.<BR><BR>I thought I'd share the background to what we're doing, and will let you<BR>know how we go:<BR><BR>Here goes. <BR><BR>We have been scoping the following options, looking at Total Cost of<BR>Ownership over the next 10 years, ie business drivers, migration, support,<BR>risks, opportunities, future change expected. <BR><BR>* Migration of the current application to:<BR>Unix - For comparison only and not being recommended in this<BR>case as<BR>all our Customer's other apps are in Windows<BR>Windows/2000 - This environment preferred at this stage, with<BR>requests<BR>to have both green-screens and windows-screens<BR>which means either Quick+Eloquence if just-green<BR>screens
initially/quickly<BR>or Axiant if both initially<BR>* Full rewrite - For comparison only and not being recommended<BR>* Migration of core components to Windows/2000 with other parts<BR>replaced by ERP <BR>- this is a future option not attractive straight away but<BR>still possible -<BR>- currently consider best to get to Windows first then<BR>evolve, not do both -<BR>* Migration to ERP + ERP provider doing customisation <BR>- strong competitor option so other options need to be good<BR>value<BR>* Do nothing till early 2006 then decide <BR>- timing not correct for Customer, needs 2004 or 2005<BR>- due to own reasons not technical ones.<BR><BR>At this stage it looks very much like the total cost of migrating the<BR>existing (good) application to Windows will be around half to a third the<BR>cost of migrating to an ERP, that is after all is said and paid for from the<BR>Customer's business end. Plus a chunk lower total cost over 10 years. This<BR>comes down to the efficiency of
Powerhouse as it doesn't apply if other<BR>toolsets were to be used, in this case that is. This gives our Customer a<BR>better choice: of doing BOTH 'competitive advantage / local things' in<BR>Powerhouse in future, plus evolving to the some ERP modules as they show<BR>value, instead of living with the downside of just one or the other. <BR><BR>So wish us luck that this is a match with what our Customer needs. Board<BR>meeting in late November, project of some sort in mid 2004 / 2005<BR><BR>Wilbert<BR><BR>= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =<BR>Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu<BR>Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu<BR>Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe <PASSWORD>" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu<BR>http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l<BR>This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><DIV><FONT face="comic sans ms" color=#0000ff><STRONG>Robert JM
Edis</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Principle Consultant</DIV>
<DIV><EM>Robert Edis Consulting</EM></DIV>
<DIV>P.O. Box 676</DIV>
<DIV>Deerfield IL 60015</DIV>
<DIV>USA</DIV>
<DIV>1-847-612-3863</DIV>
<DIV><A href="mailto:RobEConsult@sbcglobal.net">RobEConsult@sbcglobal.net</A></DIV>
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