Thank you so far and background for: Initial Estimate guideli
ne f or a straight green-screen Axiant migration
Deskin, Bob
Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM
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Just to make sure that everyone's aware, Axiant will support Eloquence in
both fat client and thin client. So whether you go to NT/2000/XP using QUICK
(green screen UI) or Axiant (Windows UI) you can use Eloquence. Eloquence
support is currently in field/beta test and will be available in PowerHouse
and PowerHouse Web 8.4xD and Axiant 3.4D early in 2004.
Bob Deskin
Product Manager, Application Development Tools, Cognos Inc.
bob.deskin@cognos.com (613) 738-1338 ext 7268 FAX: (613) 727-1178
3755 Riverside Drive P.O. Box 9707 Stn. T, Ottawa ON K1G 4K9 CANADA
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From: VISSERS,WILBERT (HP-NewZealand,ex1)
[mailto:wilbert.vissers@hp.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:38 PM
To: 'powerh-l@cube.swau.edu'
Subject: Thank you so far and background for: Initial Estimate guideline
f or a straight green-screen Axiant migration
Blue, Mark, Glenn, Jon, Bob, John, Andrew, Christina, Stephen
Thank you very much for helping out. Quick+Eloquence, new contacts,
MPE->Windows for printing, batch jobs, thank you.
I thought I'd share the background to what we're doing, and will let you
know how we go:
Here goes.
We have been scoping the following options, looking at Total Cost of
Ownership over the next 10 years, ie business drivers, migration, support,
risks, opportunities, future change expected.
* Migration of the current application to:
Unix - For comparison only and not being recommended in this
case as
all our Customer's other apps are in Windows
Windows/2000 - This environment preferred at this stage, with
requests
to have both green-screens and windows-screens
which means either Quick+Eloquence if just-green
screens initially/quickly
or Axiant if both initially
* Full rewrite - For comparison only and not being recommended
* Migration of core components to Windows/2000 with other parts
replaced by ERP
- this is a future option not attractive straight away but
still possible -
- currently consider best to get to Windows first then
evolve, not do both -
* Migration to ERP + ERP provider doing customisation
- strong competitor option so other options need to be good
value
* Do nothing till early 2006 then decide
- timing not correct for Customer, needs 2004 or 2005
- due to own reasons not technical ones.
At this stage it looks very much like the total cost of migrating the
existing (good) application to Windows will be around half to a third the
cost of migrating to an ERP, that is after all is said and paid for from the
Customer's business end. Plus a chunk lower total cost over 10 years. This
comes down to the efficiency of Powerhouse as it doesn't apply if other
toolsets were to be used, in this case that is. This gives our Customer a
better choice: of doing BOTH 'competitive advantage / local things' in
Powerhouse in future, plus evolving to the some ERP modules as they show
value, instead of living with the downside of just one or the other.
So wish us luck that this is a match with what our Customer needs. Board
meeting in late November, project of some sort in mid 2004 / 2005
Wilbert
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Just to make sure that everyone's aware, Axiant will =
support Eloquence in both fat client and thin client. So whether you go =
to NT/2000/XP using QUICK (green screen UI) or Axiant (Windows UI) you =
can use Eloquence. Eloquence support is currently in field/beta test =
and will be available in PowerHouse and PowerHouse Web 8.4xD and Axiant =
3.4D early in 2004.</FONT></P>
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Deskin =
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Cognos Inc.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>bob.deskin@cognos.com (613) 738-1338 ext 7268 FAX: =
(613) 727-1178</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>3755 Riverside Drive P.O. Box 9707 Stn. T, Ottawa ON =
K1G 4K9 CANADA</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: VISSERS,WILBERT (HP-NewZealand,ex1)</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:38 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: 'powerh-l@cube.swau.edu'</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Thank you so far and background for: =
Initial Estimate guideline</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>f or a straight green-screen Axiant migration</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Blue, Mark, Glenn, Jon, Bob, John, Andrew, Christina, =
Stephen</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thank you very much for helping =
out. Quick+Eloquence, new contacts,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>MPE->Windows for printing, batch jobs, thank =
you.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I thought I'd share the background to what we're =
doing, and will let you</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>know how we go:</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Here goes. </FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>We have been scoping the following options, looking =
at Total Cost of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Ownership over the next 10 years, ie business =
drivers, migration, support,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>risks, opportunities, future change expected. =
</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>* Migration of =
the current application to:</FONT>
<BR> =
<FONT SIZE=3D2>Unix - For =
comparison only and not being recommended in this</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>case as</FONT>
<BR> =
=
<FONT SIZE=3D2>all our =
Customer's other apps are in Windows</FONT>
<BR> <FONT =
SIZE=3D2> Windows/2000 - This environment =
preferred at this stage, with</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>requests</FONT>
<BR> =
=
<FONT SIZE=3D2>to have both =
green-screens and windows-screens</FONT>
<BR> =
=
<FONT SIZE=3D2>which means =
either Quick+Eloquence if just-green</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>screens initially/quickly</FONT>
<BR> =
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<FONT SIZE=3D2>or Axiant if =
both initially</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>* Full rewrite - =
For comparison only and not being recommended</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>* Migration of =
core components to Windows/2000 with other parts</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>replaced by ERP </FONT>
<BR> =
<FONT SIZE=3D2>- this is a =
future option not attractive straight away but</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>still possible -</FONT>
<BR> =
<FONT SIZE=3D2>- currently =
consider best to get to Windows first then</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>evolve, not do both -</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>* Migration to =
ERP + ERP provider doing customisation </FONT>
<BR> =
<FONT SIZE=3D2>- strong =
competitor option so other options need to be good</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>value</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>* Do nothing =
till early 2006 then decide </FONT>
<BR> =
<FONT SIZE=3D2>- timing not =
correct for Customer, needs 2004 or 2005</FONT>
<BR> =
<FONT SIZE=3D2>- due to own =
reasons not technical ones.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>At this stage it looks very much like the total cost =
of migrating the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>existing (good) application to Windows will be =
around half to a third the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>cost of migrating to an ERP, that is after all is =
said and paid for from the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Customer's business end. Plus a chunk lower =
total cost over 10 years. This</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>comes down to the efficiency of Powerhouse as it =
doesn't apply if other</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>toolsets were to be used, in this case that =
is. This gives our Customer a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>better choice: of doing BOTH 'competitive =
advantage / local things' in</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Powerhouse in future, plus evolving to the some ERP =
modules as they show</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>value, instead of living with the downside of =
just one or the other. </FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>So wish us luck that this is a match with what our =
Customer needs. Board</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>meeting in late November, project of some sort in =
mid 2004 / 2005</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Wilbert</FONT>
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