PowerHouse in the next 3 years?

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Bob D.

In Axiant there is a form that allows "drawing" of the screen.  I.e.
placement and format of objects such as fields, field labels, titles, etc.
Couldn't a HTML tool bar be included there to allow the insertion of HTML
tags?  Something similar but not necessarily as complex as the tool bar/s
found in say HomeSite.  This tool bar would only be available to the editor
if the screen HTML attributes were set to on.

Blue

-----Original Message-----
From: Deskin, Bob [mailto:Bob.Deskin@cognos.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 6:52 PM
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: PowerHouse in the next 3 years?

What I meant was that there is nothing that physically connects HTML code
with QDESIGN source. I was thinking of Axiant or even PowerHouse Client,
where PowerHouse could relate the generated form to specific objects in the
code. I'm not saying that you can't get most of the HTML into QDESIGN as
text, and we know that you've got lots of techniques for generating HTML on
the fly, but it's not what most people expect.

I don't know whether we'll do a template, embed HTML in special QDESIGN
keywords, or some combination. But it is needed. And I don't want to go the
way of the painters, where the user spends lots of time making things pretty
without worrying if it works. PH Web is perfect for making it work and then
making it pretty, but maintaining things after it's pretty isn't as easy as
it could be.

And that's what a productivity tool's all about. Taking those mundane tasks
and automating them so that you have time for the stuff that needs brain
power. But you knew that :-)

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Sheehan, Richard [mailto:RSheehan@ci.bellevue.wa.us]
Sent: May 7, 2003 5:30 PM
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: PowerHouse in the next 3 years?

Bob,

You say there are no hooks into the QDESIGN source.  You can create your own
hooks using custom tags, e.g..

Sure it is straight text, but you can add your own logic into the text as
desired and thus effect the rendering of the HTML as desired; or if added
for information only, the result could be no impact as well.

Richard.

Richard S Sheehan 
425.452.6177 
Business Systems Analyst 
City of Bellevue, WA 

-----Original Message-----
From: Deskin, Bob [mailto:Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:48 AM
To: 'Dennis Hassell'; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: PowerHouse in the next 3 years?

Dennis wrote:

Also, for the future, providing a closer integration of the PH Web product
with an HTML design tool would be very helpful. Right now, the styled HTML
must be modified by hand to implement changes. A QDESIGN recompile into HTML
will not merge the HTML design with the PH logic. Either the PH must be laid
into the template or vice versa. That would produce a productivity gain that
could be a great sales point, and better justify the PH Web costs.

The upcoming version, 2.4, will let you do a much better job of prototyping
the entire application before any HTML changes have to be made. Basically,
in 2.2, you had to make HTML changes just to get a basic application that
passed data back and forth between pages. This is now handled automatically.

We are looking at further enhancements to merge the HTML but since the HTML
is simple text, with no hooks to the QDESIGN source, it's not a simple task.
All I can say is that we are looking at it for a future release.

Bob

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=234584714-08052003>Bob 
D.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=234584714-08052003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=234584714-08052003>In 
Axiant there is a form that allows "drawing" of the screen.&nbsp; I.e. placement 
and format of objects such as fields, field labels, titles, etc.&nbsp; Couldn't 
a HTML tool bar be included there to allow the insertion of HTML tags?&nbsp; 
Something similar but not necessarily as complex as the tool bar/s found in say 
HomeSite.&nbsp; This tool bar would only be available to the editor if the 
screen HTML attributes were set to on.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=234584714-08052003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=234584714-08052003>Blue</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Deskin, Bob 
  [mailto:Bob.Deskin@cognos.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 07, 2003 6:52 
  PM<BR><B>To:</B> powerh-l@lists.swau.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: PowerHouse in 
  the next 3 years?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=180264823-07052003>What 
  I meant was that there is nothing that physically connects HTML code with 
  QDESIGN source. I was thinking of Axiant or even PowerHouse Client, where 
  PowerHouse could relate the generated form to specific objects in the code. 
  I'm not saying that you can't get most of the HTML into QDESIGN as text, and 
  we know that you've got lots of techniques for generating HTML on the fly, but 
  it's not what most people expect.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
  class=180264823-07052003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=180264823-07052003>I 
  don't know whether we'll do a template, embed HTML in special QDESIGN 
  keywords, or some combination. But it is needed. And I don't want to go the 
  way of the painters, where the user spends lots of time making things pretty 
  without worrying if it works. PH Web is perfect for making it work and then 
  making it pretty, but maintaining things after it's pretty isn't as easy as it 
  could be.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
  class=180264823-07052003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=180264823-07052003>And 
  that's what a productivity tool's all about. Taking those mundane tasks and 
  automating them so that you have time for the stuff that needs brain power. 
  But you knew that :-)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
  class=180264823-07052003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
  class=180264823-07052003>Bob</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
    size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Sheehan, Richard 
    [mailto:RSheehan@ci.bellevue.wa.us]<BR><B>Sent:</B> May 7, 2003 5:30 
    PM<BR><B>To:</B> powerh-l@lists.swau.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: PowerHouse 
    in the next 3 years?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=678462121-07052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
    size=2>Bob,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=678462121-07052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
    size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=678462121-07052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
    size=2>You say there are no hooks into the QDESIGN source.&nbsp; You can 
    create your own hooks using custom tags, 
    e.g..&lt;!--PH-HOOK--&gt;&lt;!--PH-END-HOOK--&gt;</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=678462121-07052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
    size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=678462121-07052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
    size=2>Sure it is straight text, but you can add your own logic into the 
    text as desired and thus effect the rendering of the HTML as desired; or if 
    added for information only, the result could be no impact as 
    well.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=678462121-07052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
    size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=678462121-07052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
    size=2>Richard.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=678462121-07052003></SPAN><SPAN 
    class=678462121-07052003></SPAN><SPAN class=678462121-07052003></SPAN><SPAN 
    class=678462121-07052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
    size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV><!-- Converted from text/rtf format -->
    <P><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Georgia color=#0000ff size=2>Richard S 
    Sheehan</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Georgia color=#0000ff 
    size=2>425.452.6177</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Georgia 
    color=#0000ff size=2>Business Systems Analyst </FONT></SPAN><BR><SPAN 
    lang=en-us><FONT face=Georgia color=#0000ff size=2>City of Bellevue, 
    WA</FONT></SPAN> </P>
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT 
    face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Deskin, Bob 
    [mailto:Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 07, 2003 
    11:48 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Dennis Hassell'; 
    powerh-l@lists.swau.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: PowerHouse in the next 3 
    years?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
    class=445014218-07052003>Dennis</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
    size=2><SPAN class=445014218-07052003>&nbsp;wrote:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
      <DIV dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><SPAN 
      class=562315816-07052003><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT 
      size=2>Also, for the future, providing a closer integration of the PH Web 
      product with an HTML design tool would be very helpful. Right now, the 
      styled HTML must be modified by hand to implement changes. A QDESIGN 
      recompile into HTML will not merge the HTML design with the PH logic. 
      Either the PH must be laid into the template or vice versa. That would 
      produce a productivity gain that could be a great sales point, and better 
      justify the PH Web costs.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
    <DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
    class=445014218-07052003>The upcoming version, 2.4, will let you do a much 
    better job of prototyping the entire application before any HTML changes 
    have to be made. Basically, in 2.2, you had to make HTML changes just to get 
    a basic application that passed data back and forth between pages. This is 
    now handled automatically.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
    class=445014218-07052003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
    class=445014218-07052003>We are looking at further enhancements to merge the 
    HTML but since the HTML is simple text, with no hooks to the QDESIGN source, 
    it's not a simple task. All I can say is that we are looking at it for a 
    future release.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
    class=445014218-07052003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
    class=445014218-07052003>Bob</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
    size=2><SPAN class=445014218-07052003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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      style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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