PowerHouse in the next 3 years?
Hasse, Christina
Christina.Hasse@COGNOS.com
Wed, 7 May 2003 13:42:17 -0400
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Hi Dennis,
Actually you can merge PH changes with the HTML. You just need to set the
option of SET TEMPLATE HTML. Initially it was always changing the HTML when
you compiled your PH and developers decided they would prefer to have the
option of telling PH when to do it.
Please call me if you would like further explanation.
Regards,
Christina Hasse
ADT North American Technical Manager
COGNOS CORPORATION
christina.hasse@cognos.com
425 N. Martingale Road, Suite 600
Schaumburg, IL 60173
Office: 847 - 285 - 2905
Cell: 847 - 269 - 1909 (new)
Fax: 847 - 240 - 0252
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Hassell [mailto:dennis@dhassell.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:26 PM
To: 'Berry, Robert'; 'Johnson, Harold A EDUC:EX'; 'Darren Reely'
Cc: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: PowerHouse in the next 3 years?
I think the core here is "Would IT Managers embrace..."
Not without Cognos doing some significant advertising, on a par with the BI
advertising you are doing. I think IT managers would embrace saving
millions. They just don't know they can achieve the same applications with
PH4GL and PH Web. But Cognos has ignored the need for customer education for
the 4GL products. The BI campaign was extensive. Even a fraction of that
effort would produce great results in the 4GL arena.
Also, for the future, providing a closer integration of the PH Web product
with an HTML design tool would be very helpful. Right now, the styled HTML
must be modified by hand to implement changes. A QDESIGN recompile into HTML
will not merge the HTML design with the PH logic. Either the PH must be laid
into the template or vice versa. That would produce a productivity gain that
could be a great sales point, and better justify the PH Web costs.
Dennis Hassell
Dennis Hassell and Associates
(941) 746-4919
(941) 224-3981 - cell
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From: powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu] On
Behalf Of Berry, Robert
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 10:41 AM
To: 'Johnson, Harold A EDUC:EX'; 'Darren Reely'
Cc: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: PowerHouse in the next 3 years?
People of the board
Free PowerHouse Web....
If PHWeb were included with the next release (8.4) along with AXiant do you
believe that your applications would be better served????
Do you see the potential for migrating existing applications to the web????
to Unix????
Would IT directors embrace this technology???
Do you think that there is a need for PH Linux???
Do you need Itanium support???
Are you prepared to show cost savings, manhour reductions, increased
productivity etc etc ??
If so .........please reply.....
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Johnson, Harold A EDUC:EX
[ mailto:Harold.A.Johnson@gems1.gov.bc.ca
<mailto:Harold.A.Johnson@gems1.gov.bc.ca> ]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 6:49 PM
To: 'Darren Reely'
Cc: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: PowerHouse in the next 3 years?
"Limit developers learning experience to 'more of the same' maintenance,
rotting their brains into believing PH is the best solution for all
problems."
I hadn't noticed that my brain is rotting.... Good thing you pointed this
out... :-)
Seriously though, there is no need to throw out perfectly good systems in PH
just so you can use the newest and shiniest toys (take a look some time at
how much these new products and development cycles cost - ie: Oracle
Designer and friends). Many of these new toys can still work in harmony
with the older, venerable systems and cost next to NOTHING (ie: big PH shop
means FREE Powerhouse Web). (courtesy of OpenVMS/Cognos)
cheers!
-----Original Message-----
From: Darren Reely [ mailto:darren.reely@latticesemi.com
<mailto:darren.reely@latticesemi.com> ]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:21 PM
Cc: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: Re: PowerHouse in the next 3 years?
Powerhouse will...
Be used only to maintain current PH systems. Few if any _new_ major
software projects will occur.
Continue to shrink in the market. Companies will transition to packaged
software and that other 'silver bullet', Java development solutions.
Limit developers learning experience to 'more of the same' maintenance,
rotting their brains into believing PH is the best solution for all
problems.
Not have any new developer enhancements worth mentioning.
Still be considered overpriced for many.
Not be available on open source operating systems such as Linux.
Yet another discussion will ask; Is Powerhouse Dead?
Lastly, Cognos will not respond to such questions. Assuming they even
have the answers.
In summary, we'll be exactly where we are now. Is that where you want
to be?
Darren
stewm@canada.com wrote:
>I am curious...what will be the largest activity
>involving PowerHouse in the next few years for
>companies? Does Cognos have a expected growth/decline
>chart on their website for this product? What are the
>expected areas for growth? What are the expected areas
>for decline.
>
>Will it be HP3000 to HP9000 migration projects?
>Will it be moving away from PowerHouse?
>What about possible HP3000 to Axiant projects?
>PowerHouse Web Projects?
>What activities will show up the most on the scale in
>the next few years. It would be kind of nice to have
>around a 3 year estimation of trends for this
>particular product (PowerHouse). I don't want to spark
>one of those 'Is PowerHouse Dead' discussions please.
>What do people/Cognos think will be the main projects
>involving PowerHouse in the next few years?
>
>Just curious on how Cognos views PowerHouse 4GL in
>their product line in 3 years.
>
>Mark Stewart
>Windsor, Ontario
>
>Consultants Club Corp.
>Quote for the Day: Live by the sword, die by the sword.
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<DIV><SPAN class=502454016-07052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi
Dennis,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=502454016-07052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=502454016-07052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Actually you can merge PH changes with the HTML. You just need to
set the option of SET TEMPLATE HTML. Initially it was always changing the
HTML when you compiled your PH and developers decided they would prefer to have
the option of telling PH when to do it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=502454016-07052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=502454016-07052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Please
call me if you would like further explanation.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=502454016-07052003><BR>
<P><I><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards,</FONT></I> </P>
<P><I><FONT face=Arial size=2>Christina Hasse</FONT></I> <BR><I><FONT face=Arial
size=2>ADT North American Technical Manager</FONT></I> <BR><I><FONT face=Arial
size=2>COGNOS CORPORATION</FONT></I> <BR><I><U><FONT face=Arial color=#000080
size=2>christina.hasse@cognos.com</FONT></U></I> <BR><I><FONT face=Arial
size=2>425 N. Martingale Road, Suite 600</FONT></I> <BR><I><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Schaumburg, IL 60173</FONT></I> <BR><I><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Office: <B> 847 - 285 - 2905</B></FONT></I> <BR><I><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Cell: </FONT><B> <FONT face=Arial size=2>847 - 269 - 1909
</FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#ff0000 size=2>(new)</FONT></B></I> <BR><FONT
face=Arial size=2>Fax: </FONT><B></B><B><I> <FONT face=Arial size=2>847 -
240 - 0252</FONT></I></B> </P></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Dennis Hassell
[mailto:dennis@dhassell.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:26
PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Berry, Robert'; 'Johnson, Harold A EDUC:EX'; 'Darren
Reely'<BR><B>Cc:</B> powerh-l@lists.swau.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: PowerHouse
in the next 3 years?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=562315816-07052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
think the core here is "Would IT Managers embrace..."
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=562315816-07052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=562315816-07052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Not
without Cognos doing some significant advertising, on a par with the BI
advertising you are doing. I think IT managers would embrace saving millions.
They just don't </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=562315816-07052003><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>know they can achieve the same applications
with PH4GL and PH Web. But Cognos has ignored the need for customer education
for the 4GL products. The BI campaign was extensive. Even a fraction of that
effort would produce great results in the 4GL arena.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=562315816-07052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=562315816-07052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Also, for the future, providing a closer integration of the PH Web
product with an HTML design tool would be very helpful. Right now, the styled
HTML must be modified by hand to implement changes. A QDESIGN recompile into
HTML will not merge the HTML design with the PH logic. Either the PH must be
laid into the template or vice versa. That would produce a productivity gain
that could be a great sales point, and better justify the PH Web
costs.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><!-- Converted from text/rtf format -->
<P><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dennis Hassell</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dennis Hassell and
Associates</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>(941)
746-4919</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>(941)
224-3981 - cell</FONT></SPAN> </P>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Berry, Robert<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 07, 2003 10:41
AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Johnson, Harold A EDUC:EX'; 'Darren Reely'<BR><B>Cc:</B>
powerh-l@lists.swau.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: PowerHouse in the next 3
years?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>People of the board</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Free PowerHouse Web....</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>If PHWeb were included with the next release (8.4)
along with AXiant do you believe that your applications would be better
served????</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2>Do you see the potential for migrating existing applications
to the web???? to Unix????</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Would IT directors embrace this technology???</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Do you think that there is a need for PH Linux???</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT size=2>Do you need Itanium support???</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Are you prepared to show cost savings, manhour reductions,
increased productivity etc etc ??</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>If so .........please reply.....</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Bob </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>From:
Johnson, Harold A EDUC:EX</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>[<A
href="mailto:Harold.A.Johnson@gems1.gov.bc.ca">mailto:Harold.A.Johnson@gems1.gov.bc.ca</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 6:49 PM</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>To: 'Darren Reely'</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Cc:
powerh-l@lists.swau.edu</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Subject: RE: PowerHouse in
the next 3 years?</FONT> </P><BR>
<P><FONT size=2>"Limit developers learning experience to 'more of the same'
maintenance, </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>rotting their brains into believing PH
is the best solution for all </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>problems."</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>I hadn't noticed that my brain is rotting.... Good
thing you pointed this</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>out...
:-) </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2>Seriously though, there is no need to throw out perfectly
good systems in PH</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>just so you can use the newest
and shiniest toys (take a look some time at</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>how much
these new products and development cycles cost - ie: Oracle</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>Designer and friends). Many of these new toys can still
work in harmony</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>with the older, venerable systems
and cost next to NOTHING (ie: big PH shop</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>means FREE
Powerhouse Web). (courtesy of OpenVMS/Cognos)</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>cheers!</FONT> </P><BR><BR>
<P><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>From:
Darren Reely [<A
href="mailto:darren.reely@latticesemi.com">mailto:darren.reely@latticesemi.com</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:21 PM</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>Cc: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Subject: Re:
PowerHouse in the next 3 years?</FONT> </P><BR>
<P><FONT size=2>Powerhouse will...</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Be used only to maintain current PH systems. Few if any
_new_ major </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>software projects will occur.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT size=2>Continue to shrink in the market. Companies will transition
to packaged </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>software and that other 'silver bullet',
Java development solutions.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Limit developers learning experience to 'more of the same'
maintenance, </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>rotting their brains into believing PH
is the best solution for all </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>problems.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Not have any new developer enhancements worth
mentioning.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Still be considered overpriced for many.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Not be available on open source operating systems such as
Linux.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Yet another discussion will ask; Is Powerhouse Dead?</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT size=2>Lastly, Cognos will not respond to such questions. Assuming
they even </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>have the answers.</FONT> </P><BR>
<P><FONT size=2>In summary, we'll be exactly where we are now. Is that
where you want </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>to be?</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Darren</FONT> </P><BR>
<P><FONT size=2>stewm@canada.com wrote:</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>>I am curious...what will be the largest activity</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>>involving PowerHouse in the next few years for</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>>companies? Does Cognos have a expected
growth/decline</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>chart on their website for this
product? What are the</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>expected areas for
growth? What are the expected areas</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>for
decline. </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>Will it be
HP3000 to HP9000 migration projects?</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>Will it be
moving away from PowerHouse?</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>What about possible
HP3000 to Axiant projects? </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>>PowerHouse Web
Projects?</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>What activities will show up the most
on the scale in</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>the next few years. It
would be kind of nice to have</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>around a 3 year
estimation of trends for this</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>particular product
(PowerHouse). I don't want to spark</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>one of
those 'Is PowerHouse Dead' discussions please. </FONT><BR><FONT
size=2>>What do people/Cognos think will be the main projects</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>>involving PowerHouse in the next few years?</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>Just curious on how Cognos
views PowerHouse 4GL in</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>their product line in 3
years.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>Mark
Stewart</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>Windsor, Ontario</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>Consultants Club Corp.</FONT>
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