PowerHouse in the next 3 years?

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I think the core here is "Would IT Managers embrace..."  

Not without Cognos doing some significant advertising, on a par with the
BI advertising you are doing. I think IT managers would embrace saving
millions. They just don't know they can achieve the same applications
with PH4GL and PH Web. But Cognos has ignored the need for customer
education for the 4GL products. The BI campaign was extensive. Even a
fraction of that effort would produce great results in the 4GL arena.

Also, for the future, providing a closer integration of the PH Web
product with an HTML design tool would be very helpful. Right now, the
styled HTML must be modified by hand to implement changes. A QDESIGN
recompile into HTML will not merge the HTML design with the PH logic.
Either the PH must be laid into the template or vice versa. That would
produce a productivity gain that could be a great sales point, and
better justify the PH Web costs.

Dennis Hassell 
Dennis Hassell and Associates 
(941) 746-4919 
(941) 224-3981 - cell 

-----Original Message-----
From: powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu]
On Behalf Of Berry, Robert
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 10:41 AM
To: 'Johnson, Harold A EDUC:EX'; 'Darren Reely'
Cc: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: PowerHouse in the next 3 years?

People of the board 

Free PowerHouse Web.... 

If PHWeb were included with the next release (8.4)  along with AXiant do
you believe that your applications would be better served????

Do you see the potential for migrating existing applications to the
web???? to Unix???? 

Would IT directors embrace this technology??? 

Do you think that there is a need for PH Linux??? 

Do you need Itanium support??? 

Are you prepared to show cost savings, manhour reductions, increased
productivity etc etc ?? 

If so .........please reply..... 

Bob 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Johnson, Harold A EDUC:EX 
[mailto:Harold.A.Johnson@gems1.gov.bc.ca] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 6:49 PM 
To: 'Darren Reely' 
Cc: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu 
Subject: RE: PowerHouse in the next 3 years? 

"Limit developers learning experience to 'more of the same' maintenance,

rotting their brains into believing PH is the best solution for all 
problems." 

I hadn't noticed that my brain is rotting....  Good thing you pointed
this 
out...  :-)    

Seriously though, there is no need to throw out perfectly good systems
in PH 
just so you can use the newest and shiniest toys (take a look some time
at 
how much these new products and development cycles cost - ie: Oracle 
Designer and friends).   Many of these new toys can still work in
harmony 
with the older, venerable systems and cost next to NOTHING (ie: big PH
shop 
means FREE Powerhouse Web).  (courtesy of OpenVMS/Cognos) 

cheers! 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Darren Reely [mailto:darren.reely@latticesemi.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:21 PM 
Cc: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu 
Subject: Re: PowerHouse in the next 3 years? 

Powerhouse will... 

Be used only to maintain current PH systems. Few if any _new_ major 
software projects will occur. 

Continue to shrink in the market. Companies will transition to packaged 
software and that other 'silver bullet', Java development solutions. 

Limit developers learning experience to 'more of the same' maintenance, 
rotting their brains into believing PH is the best solution for all 
problems. 

Not have any new developer enhancements worth mentioning. 

Still be considered overpriced for many. 

Not be available on open source operating systems such as Linux. 

Yet another discussion will ask; Is Powerhouse Dead? 

Lastly, Cognos will not respond to such questions. Assuming they even 
have the answers. 

In summary, we'll be exactly where we are now.  Is that where you want 
to be? 

Darren 

stewm@canada.com wrote: 

>I am curious...what will be the largest activity 
>involving PowerHouse in the next few years for 
>companies?  Does Cognos have a expected growth/decline 
>chart on their website for this product?  What are the 
>expected areas for growth?  What are the expected areas 
>for decline. 
> 
>Will it be HP3000 to HP9000 migration projects? 
>Will it be moving away from PowerHouse? 
>What about possible HP3000 to Axiant projects? 
>PowerHouse Web Projects? 
>What activities will show up the most on the scale in 
>the next few years.  It would be kind of nice to have 
>around a 3 year estimation of trends for this 
>particular product (PowerHouse).  I don't want to spark 
>one of those 'Is PowerHouse Dead' discussions please. 
>What do people/Cognos think will be the main projects 
>involving PowerHouse in the next few years? 
> 
>Just curious on how Cognos views PowerHouse 4GL in 
>their product line in 3 years. 
> 
>Mark Stewart 
>Windsor, Ontario 
> 
>Consultants Club Corp. 
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think the core here is "Would IT Managers embrace..."&nbsp; =
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<DIV>Not=20
without Cognos doing some significant advertising, on a par with the BI=20
advertising you are doing. I think IT managers would embrace saving =
millions.=20
They just don't&nbsp;<FONT=20
face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>know they can achieve the same =
applications with=20
PH4GL and PH Web. But Cognos has ignored the need for customer education =
for the=20
4GL products. The BI campaign was extensive. Even a fraction of that =
effort=20
would produce great results in the 4GL arena.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Also,=20
for the future, providing a closer integration of the PH Web product =
with an=20
HTML design tool would be very helpful. Right now, the styled HTML must =
be=20
modified by hand to implement changes. A QDESIGN recompile into HTML =
will not=20
merge the HTML design with the PH logic. Either the PH must be laid into =
the=20
template or vice versa. That would produce a productivity gain that =
could be a=20
great sales point, and better justify the PH Web =
costs.</DIV>
Dennis =
Hassell=20
 Dennis Hassell and=20
Associates (941)=20
746-4919 (941)=20
224-3981 - cell 
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align=3Dleft><FONT=20
 face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message----- From:=20
 powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu] =
On=20
 Behalf Of Berry, Robert Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 =
10:41=20
 AM To: 'Johnson, Harold A EDUC:EX'; 'Darren =
Reely' Cc:=20
 powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: RE: PowerHouse in the next =
3=20
 years? </DIV>
 People of the board 
 Free PowerHouse Web.... 
 If PHWeb were included with the next release =
(8.4)&nbsp; along=20
 with AXiant do you believe that your applications would be better=20
 served????
 Do you see the potential for migrating existing =
applications=20
 to the web???? to Unix???? 
 Would IT directors embrace this technology??? =

 Do you think that there is a need for PH =
Linux??? 
 Do you need Itanium support??? 
 Are you prepared to show cost savings, manhour =
reductions,=20
 increased productivity etc etc ?? 
 If so .........please reply..... 
 Bob 
 -----Original Message----- From:=20
 Johnson, Harold A EDUC:EX [<A=20
 =
href=3D"mailto:Harold.A.Johnson@gems1.gov.bc.ca">mailto:Harold.A.Johnson@=
gems1.gov.bc.ca</A>]=20
 Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 6:49 PM =
 <FONT=20
 size=3D2>To: 'Darren Reely' Cc:=20
 powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: RE: =
PowerHouse in the=20
 next 3 years? 
 "Limit developers learning experience to 'more of =
the same'=20
 maintenance, rotting their brains into =
believing PH is=20
 the best solution for all problems." =

 I hadn't noticed that my brain is rotting....&nbsp; =
Good thing=20
 you pointed this out...&nbsp; =
:-)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
 
 Seriously though, there is no need to throw out =
perfectly good=20
 systems in PH just so you can use the newest =
and=20
 shiniest toys (take a look some time at how =
much these=20
 new products and development cycles cost - ie: Oracle <FONT =

  size=3D2>Designer and friends).&nbsp;&nbsp; Many of these new toys can =
still=20
  work in harmony</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>with the older, venerable =
systems and=20
  cost next to NOTHING (ie: big PH shop</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>means =
FREE=20
  Powerhouse Web).&nbsp; (courtesy of OpenVMS/Cognos)</FONT> </P>
  <P><FONT size=3D2>cheers!</FONT> </P><BR><BR>
  <P><FONT size=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>From:=20
  Darren Reely [<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:darren.reely@latticesemi.com">mailto:darren.reely@lattices=
emi.com</A>]</FONT>=20
  <BR><FONT size=3D2>Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:21 PM</FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
  size=3D2>Cc: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>Subject: Re:=20
  PowerHouse in the next 3 years?</FONT> </P><BR>
  <P><FONT size=3D2>Powerhouse will...</FONT> </P>
  <P><FONT size=3D2>Be used only to maintain current PH systems. Few if =
any _new_=20
  major </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>software projects will occur.</FONT> =
</P>
  <P><FONT size=3D2>Continue to shrink in the market. Companies will =
transition to=20
  packaged </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>software and that other 'silver =
bullet', Java=20
  development solutions.</FONT> </P>
  <P><FONT size=3D2>Limit developers learning experience to 'more of the =
same'=20
  maintenance, </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>rotting their brains into =
believing PH is=20
  the best solution for all </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>problems.</FONT> =
</P>
  <P><FONT size=3D2>Not have any new developer enhancements worth=20
  mentioning.</FONT> </P>
  <P><FONT size=3D2>Still be considered overpriced for many.</FONT> </P>
  <P><FONT size=3D2>Not be available on open source operating systems =
such as=20
  Linux.</FONT> </P>
  <P><FONT size=3D2>Yet another discussion will ask; Is Powerhouse =
Dead?</FONT>=20
  </P>
  <P><FONT size=3D2>Lastly, Cognos will not respond to such questions. =
Assuming=20
  they even </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>have the answers.</FONT> </P><BR>
  <P><FONT size=3D2>In summary, we'll be exactly where we are now.&nbsp; =
Is that=20
  where you want </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>to be?</FONT> </P>
  <P><FONT size=3D2>Darren</FONT> </P><BR>
  <P><FONT size=3D2>stewm@canada.com wrote:</FONT> </P>
  <P><FONT size=3D2>&gt;I am curious...what will be the largest =
activity</FONT>=20
  <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt;involving PowerHouse in the next few years =
for</FONT>=20
  <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt;companies?&nbsp; Does Cognos have a expected=20
  growth/decline</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt;chart on their website =
for this=20
  product?&nbsp; What are the</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt;expected =
areas for=20
  growth?&nbsp; What are the expected areas</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>&gt;for=20
  decline. </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>&gt;Will it be=20
  HP3000 to HP9000 migration projects?</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>&gt;Will it be=20
  moving away from PowerHouse?</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt;What about =
possible=20
  HP3000 to Axiant projects? </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt;PowerHouse =
Web=20
  Projects?</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt;What activities will show up =
the most on=20
  the scale in</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt;the next few years.&nbsp; =
It would be=20
  kind of nice to have</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt;around a 3 year =
estimation of=20
  trends for this</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt;particular product=20
  (PowerHouse).&nbsp; I don't want to spark</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>&gt;one of=20
  those 'Is PowerHouse Dead' discussions please. </FONT><BR><FONT=20
  size=3D2>&gt;What do people/Cognos think will be the main =
projects</FONT>=20
  <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt;involving PowerHouse in the next few =
years?</FONT>=20
  <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt;Just curious on =
how Cognos=20
  views PowerHouse 4GL in</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt;their product =
line in 3=20
  years.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>&gt;Mark=20
  Stewart</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt;Windsor, Ontario</FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
  size=3D2>&gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt;Consultants Club =
Corp.</FONT>=20
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