Cognos conference in Orlando, FL
Miller, Maurice
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Well said - Bob.
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From: Sam DeLeese [mailto:sdeleese@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:00 PM
To: Berry, Robert; Deskin, Bob
Cc: listserve Powerhouse
Subject: RE: Cognos conference in Orlando, FL
Bob,
You sound very diplomatic and I am happy that you are not in isolation.
However when you say that "We will continue to provide our entire customer
base with the best products available in the industry be they ADT or BI."
With all due respect, I would take some exception. When was the last time
Cognos aggressively promoted an ADT product? When was the last time ADT had
even a minor presence at a Cognos conference or "user days"? Cognos has the
best 4GL on the planet, yet I never see any advertising in trade magazines
for it. Cognos has a killer web product in PowerHouse Web, yet I never see
any advertising or promotion for it. But BI, that is another matter. BI
dominates Cognos conferences, BI is at other conferences, Cognos "user days"
are all about BI, even local user groups that used to be PH groups are now
95% BI - if not 100%. BI is where it's at for Cognos today, because Cognos
has decided that that is whe! re it is at. The direction of the company
certainly has changed. You can talk like a Cognos promotional brochure all
you want, but take it from someone who was coding in PH when Quasar was the
company name, the direction of the company is to promote BI, sell BI, and
support BI, while ADT dies a slow death due to general lack of interest by
the company. If I am wrong, maybe we will be seeing a strong presence at
conferences and an upswing in sales due to aggressive promotion of PH and
PHWeb. That would be good to see. In fact that would be great. But I
won't hold by breath.
Sorry for the rant, it is nothing personal, I am just venting out of
frustration.
"Berry, Robert" <Bob.Berry@Cognos.com> wrote:
Sam,
Speaking for the Bob's of ADT...PowerHouse is still the foundation that this
company was built on. It continues to thrive after 30+ years. However, the
need for reporting tools on the desktop prompted the next generation of
Business Intelligence software.
Because of the solid foundation that had been built, Cognos management was
able to go into the lab and develop the best of breed products that are
installed and providing tactical and critical information in the majority of
fortune 1000 companies today.
The ADT products can do things that the BI products can't and vice versa.
ADT products are still very viable and are thriving in many corporations
still today. The direction of the company hasn't changed. We will continue
to provide our entire customer base with the best products available in the
industry be they ADT or BI.
I appreciate your thoughts but be assured that we Bob's are hardly
isolated.....
Bob Berry
Director, ADT North America
-----Original Message-----
From: Sam DeLeese [mailto:sdeleese@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 1:33 PM
To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu'
Subject: RE: Cognos conference in Orlando, FL
Geez Bob, you must be feeling a bit isolated at Cognos these days. ADT,
once the foundation that Cognos was built on, is now relagated to less than
an afterthought to the powers that be. It is a shame and an injustice.
That is what is meant by the phrase "life isn't fair".
Sam
"Deskin, Bob" <Bob.Deskin@cognos.com> wrote:
I'll go out on a limb and assume that the "Bob" is me. The answer is,
unfortunately, no. Given the amount of resources it requires to prepare even
one stream and the declining response over previous conferences, it was felt
not to be a viable proposition. I am saddened, but it's hard to argue.
Bob Deskin
PowerHouse Web Product Manager, Application Development Tools, Cognos Inc.
bob.deskin@cognos.com (613) 738-1338 ext 7268 FAX: (613) 727-1178
3755 Riverside Drive P.O. Box 9707 Stn. T, Ottawa ON K1G 4K9 CANADA
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From: Edis, Robert [ mailto:Robert.Edis@blistex.com
<mailto:Robert.Edis@blistex.com> ]
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 11:38 AM
To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu'
Subject: Cognos conference in Orlando, FL
G'day Bob
Will there be any ADT presence at the upcoming Cognos User conference in
Orlando in June?
Blue
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=156344413-02052003>Well
said - Bob.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Sam DeLeese
[mailto:sdeleese@yahoo.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:00
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Berry, Robert; Deskin, Bob<BR><B>Cc:</B> listserve
Powerhouse<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Cognos conference in Orlando,
FL<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV>Bob,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>You sound very diplomatic and I am happy that you are not in
isolation. However when you say that "We will continue to provide our
entire customer base with the best products available in the industry be
they ADT or BI." With all due respect, I would take some
exception. When was the last time Cognos aggressively promoted an ADT
product? When was the last time ADT had even a minor presence at a
Cognos conference or "user days"? Cognos has the best 4GL on the planet,
yet I never see any advertising in trade magazines for it. Cognos has a
killer web product in PowerHouse Web, yet I never see any advertising or
promotion for it. But BI, that is another matter. BI dominates
Cognos conferences, BI is at other conferences, Cognos "user days" are all
about BI, even local user groups that used to be PH groups are now 95% BI - if
not 100%. BI is where it's at for Cognos today, because Cognos has
decided that that is whe! re it is at. The direction of the company
certainly has changed. You can talk like a Cognos promotional brochure
all you want, but take it from someone who was coding in PH when Quasar was
the company name, the direction of the company is to promote BI, sell BI, and
support BI, while ADT dies a slow death due to general lack of interest by the
company. If I am wrong, maybe we will be seeing a strong presence at
conferences and an upswing in sales due to aggressive promotion of PH and
PHWeb. That would be good to see. In fact that would be
great. But I won't hold by breath.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Sorry for the rant, it is nothing personal, I am just venting out of
frustration.<BR><BR><B><I>"Berry, Robert" <Bob.Berry@Cognos.com></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=815434417-30042003><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>Sam,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=815434417-30042003><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=815434417-30042003><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>Speaking for the Bob's of ADT...PowerHouse is still the foundation
that this company was built on. It continues to thrive after 30+
years. However, the need for reporting tools on the desktop prompted
the next generation of Business Intelligence software.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=815434417-30042003><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=815434417-30042003><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>Because of the solid foundation that had been built, Cognos
management was able to go into the lab and develop the best of breed
products that are installed and providing tactical and critical
information in the majority of fortune 1000 companies
today.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=815434417-30042003><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=815434417-30042003><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>The ADT products can do things that the BI products can't and vice
versa. ADT products are still very viable and are thriving in many
corporations still today. The direction of the company hasn't
changed. We will continue to provide our entire customer base with the
best products available in the industry be they ADT or
BI.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=815434417-30042003><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=815434417-30042003><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>I
appreciate your thoughts but be assured that we Bob's are hardly
isolated.....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=815434417-30042003><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=815434417-30042003><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>Bob Berry</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=815434417-30042003><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>Director, ADT North America</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=815434417-30042003><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=815434417-30042003><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Sam DeLeese
[mailto:sdeleese@yahoo.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 30, 2003 1:33
PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Cognos
conference in Orlando, FL<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Geez Bob, you must be feeling a bit isolated at Cognos these
days. ADT, once the foundation that Cognos was built on, is now
relagated to less than an afterthought to the powers that be. It is
a shame and an injustice. That is what is meant by the phrase "life
isn't fair".</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Sam<BR><BR><B><I>"Deskin, Bob" <Bob.Deskin@cognos.com></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>I'll go out on a limb and assume that the "Bob" is me.
The answer is, unfortunately, no. Given the amount of resources it
requires to prepare even one stream and the declining response over
previous conferences, it was felt not to be a viable proposition. I am
saddened, but it's hard to argue.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2>Bob
Deskin
</FONT><BR><FONT size=2>PowerHouse Web Product Manager, Application
Development Tools, Cognos Inc.</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>bob.deskin@cognos.com (613) 738-1338 ext 7268 FAX: (613)
727-1178</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>3755 Riverside Drive P.O. Box 9707 Stn.
T, Ottawa ON K1G 4K9 CANADA</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>From:
Edis, Robert [<A
href="mailto:Robert.Edis@blistex.com">mailto:Robert.Edis@blistex.com</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 11:38 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu'</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>Subject: Cognos conference in Orlando, FL</FONT> </P><BR>
<P><FONT size=2>G'day Bob</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Will there be any ADT presence at the upcoming Cognos
User conference in</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Orlando in June?</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Blue</FONT> </P>
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