Cognos conference in Orlando, FL
Sam DeLeese
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Bob, You sound very diplomatic and I am happy that you are not in isolation. However when you say that "We will continue to provide our entire customer base with the best products available in the industry be they ADT or BI." With all due respect, I would take some exception. When was the last time Cognos aggressively promoted an ADT product? When was the last time ADT had even a minor presence at a Cognos conference or "user days"? Cognos has the best 4GL on the planet, yet I never see any advertising in trade magazines for it. Cognos has a killer web product in PowerHouse Web, yet I never see any advertising or promotion for it. But BI, that is another matter. BI dominates Cognos conferences, BI is at other conferences, Cognos "user days" are all about BI, even local user groups that used to be PH groups are now 95% BI - if not 100%. BI is where it's at for Cognos today, because Cognos has decided that that is where it is at. The direction of the company certain!
ly has changed. You can talk like a Cognos promotional brochure all you want, but take it from someone who was coding in PH when Quasar was the company name, the direction of the company is to promote BI, sell BI, and support BI, while ADT dies a slow death due to general lack of interest by the company. If I am wrong, maybe we will be seeing a strong presence at conferences and an upswing in sales due to aggressive promotion of PH and PHWeb. That would be good to see. In fact that would be great. But I won't hold by breath. Sorry for the rant, it is nothing personal, I am just venting out of frustration.
"Berry, Robert" <Bob.Berry@Cognos.com> wrote:Sam, Speaking for the Bob's of ADT...PowerHouse is still the foundation that this company was built on. It continues to thrive after 30+ years. However, the need for reporting tools on the desktop prompted the next generation of Business Intelligence software. Because of the solid foundation that had been built, Cognos management was able to go into the lab and develop the best of breed products that are installed and providing tactical and critical information in the majority of fortune 1000 companies today. The ADT products can do things that the BI products can't and vice versa. ADT products are still very viable and are thriving in many corporations still today. The direction of the company hasn't changed. We will continue to provide our entire customer base with the best products available in the industry be they ADT or BI. I appreciate your thoughts but be assured that we Bob's are hardly isolated..... Bob BerryDirecto!
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From: Sam DeLeese [mailto:sdeleese@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 1:33 PM
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Subject: RE: Cognos conference in Orlando, FL
Geez Bob, you must be feeling a bit isolated at Cognos these days. ADT, once the foundation that Cognos was built on, is now relagated to less than an afterthought to the powers that be. It is a shame and an injustice. That is what is meant by the phrase "life isn't fair". Sam
"Deskin, Bob" <Bob.Deskin@cognos.com> wrote:
I'll go out on a limb and assume that the "Bob" is me. The answer is, unfortunately, no. Given the amount of resources it requires to prepare even one stream and the declining response over previous conferences, it was felt not to be a viable proposition. I am saddened, but it's hard to argue.
Bob Deskin
PowerHouse Web Product Manager, Application Development Tools, Cognos Inc.
bob.deskin@cognos.com (613) 738-1338 ext 7268 FAX: (613) 727-1178
3755 Riverside Drive P.O. Box 9707 Stn. T, Ottawa ON K1G 4K9 CANADA
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Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 11:38 AM
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Subject: Cognos conference in Orlando, FL
G'day Bob
Will there be any ADT presence at the upcoming Cognos User conference in
Orlando in June?
Blue
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<DIV>Bob,</DIV>
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<DIV>You sound very diplomatic and I am happy that you are not in isolation. However when you say that "We will continue to provide our entire customer base with the best products available in the industry be they ADT or BI." With all due respect, I would take some exception. When was the last time Cognos aggressively promoted an ADT product? When was the last time ADT had even a minor presence at a Cognos conference or "user days"? Cognos has the best 4GL on the planet, yet I never see any advertising in trade magazines for it. Cognos has a killer web product in PowerHouse Web, yet I never see any advertising or promotion for it. But BI, that is another matter. BI dominates Cognos conferences, BI is at other conferences, Cognos "user days" are all about BI, even local user groups that used to be PH groups are now 95% BI - if not 100%. BI is where it's at for Cognos today, because Cognos has decided that that is whe!
re it is at. The direction of the company certainly has changed. You can talk like a Cognos promotional brochure all you want, but take it from someone who was coding in PH when Quasar was the company name, the direction of the company is to promote BI, sell BI, and support BI, while ADT dies a slow death due to general lack of interest by the company. If I am wrong, maybe we will be seeing a strong presence at conferences and an upswing in sales due to aggressive promotion of PH and PHWeb. That would be good to see. In fact that would be great. But I won't hold by breath.</DIV>
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<DIV>Sorry for the rant, it is nothing personal, I am just venting out of frustration.<BR><BR><B><I>"Berry, Robert" <Bob.Berry@Cognos.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=815434417-30042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Speaking for the Bob's of ADT...PowerHouse is still the foundation that this company was built on. It continues to thrive after 30+ years. However, the need for reporting tools on the desktop prompted the next generation of Business Intelligence software.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=815434417-30042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=815434417-30042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Because of the solid foundation that had been built, Cognos management was able to go into the lab and develop the best of breed products that are installed and providing tactical and critical information in the majority of fortune 1000 companies today.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=815434417-30042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The ADT products can do things that the BI products can't and vice versa. ADT products are still very viable and are thriving in many corporations still today. The direction of the company hasn't changed. We will continue to provide our entire customer base with the best products available in the industry be they ADT or BI.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=815434417-30042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I appreciate your thoughts but be assured that we Bob's are hardly isolated.....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Sam DeLeese [mailto:sdeleese@yahoo.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 30, 2003 1:33 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Cognos conference in Orlando, FL<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Geez Bob, you must be feeling a bit isolated at Cognos these days. ADT, once the foundation that Cognos was built on, is now relagated to less than an afterthought to the powers that be. It is a shame and an injustice. That is what is meant by the phrase "life isn't fair".</DIV>
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<DIV>Sam<BR><BR><B><I>"Deskin, Bob" <Bob.Deskin@cognos.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>I'll go out on a limb and assume that the "Bob" is me. The answer is, unfortunately, no. Given the amount of resources it requires to prepare even one stream and the declining response over previous conferences, it was felt not to be a viable proposition. I am saddened, but it's hard to argue.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2>Bob Deskin </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>PowerHouse Web Product Manager, Application Development Tools, Cognos Inc.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>bob.deskin@cognos.com (613) 738-1338 ext 7268 FAX: (613) 727-1178</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>3755 Riverside Drive P.O. Box 9707 Stn. T, Ottawa ON K1G 4K9 CANADA</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>From: Edis, Robert [<A href="mailto:Robert.Edis@blistex.com">mailto:Robert.Edis@blistex.com</A>]</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 11:38 AM</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu'</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Subject: Cognos conference in Orlando, FL</FONT> </P><BR>
<P><FONT size=2>G'day Bob</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Will there be any ADT presence at the upcoming Cognos User conference in</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Orlando in June?</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Blue</FONT> </P>
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