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Fra: Deskin, Bob=20 [mailto:Bob.Deskin@cognos.com]
Sendt: 7. mai 2003=20 20:48
Til: 'Dennis Hassell'; = powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Emne:=20 RE: PowerHouse in the next 3 years?

Dennis wrote:

Also, for the = future, providing=20 a closer integration of the PH Web product with an HTML design tool = would be=20 very helpful. Right now, the styled HTML must be modified by hand to = implement changes. A QDESIGN recompile into HTML will not merge the = HTML=20 design with the PH logic. Either the PH must be laid into the = template or=20 vice versa. That would produce a productivity gain that could be a = great=20 sales point, and better justify the PH Web costs.

The upcoming version, 2.4, will let you do = a much=20 better job of prototyping the entire application before any HTML = changes have=20 to be made. Basically, in 2.2, you had to make HTML changes just to = get a=20 basic application that passed data back and forth between pages. This = is now=20 handled automatically.

We are looking at further enhancements to = merge the=20 HTML but since the HTML is simple text, with no hooks to the QDESIGN = source,=20 it's not a simple task. All I can say is that we are looking at it for = a=20 future release.

Bob

=00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3155E.333C9108-- ------=_NextPartTM-000-3e75e635-7d23-458f-947d-ffee9373d412-- From Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM Thu May 8 13:45:39 2003 From: Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM (Deskin, Bob) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 08:45:39 -0400 Subject: PHWeb Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3155F.BAFA0610 Content-Type: text/plain There are no plans to change the base technology. We have a small CGI component (PHCGI) that is launched by the Web Server in response to a PH Web request. The PHCGI passes the request to the waiting, already running Dispatcher that sends the request on to the PowerHouse Web Server, again already running. The PowerHouse Web Server is the familiar QUICK engine with a new front-end piece that handles the web request. This is similar to the PH Server that runs with Axiant where you have the engine plus a front-end to handle client-server connections. Since the engine is QUICK, you can use DO EXTERNALs to call almost anything you want. We have customers calling third party tools to do credit card validation and so on. We are also investigating XML mechanisms for the next release but it's too soon to discuss in detail. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Jon Kvisli [mailto:jon.kvisli@lindorffapplications.com] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:35 AM To: Deskin, Bob; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: PHWeb Hi Bob. Can You provide information about any possible changes in the base techology of PHWeb? E.g. are there any plans for replacing the CGI-based mechanisms with generation of Java JSP/servlets that can run on a J2EE app.server? This will probably make it easier to separate HTML-styles from PH-logic. Regards Jon Kvisli ---------------------------------------------- Principal Consultant Lindorff Applications as Hellandtunet research- og businesscentre P.O.Box 4, 3833 Bo in Telemark phone: +47 35 06 15 71 fax: +47 35 06 15 01 mail: jon.kvisli@lindorffapplications.com www.lindorffapplications.com ---------------------------------------------- -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: Deskin, Bob [mailto:Bob.Deskin@cognos.com] Sendt: 7. mai 2003 20:48 Til: 'Dennis Hassell'; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Emne: RE: PowerHouse in the next 3 years? Dennis wrote: Also, for the future, providing a closer integration of the PH Web product with an HTML design tool would be very helpful. Right now, the styled HTML must be modified by hand to implement changes. A QDESIGN recompile into HTML will not merge the HTML design with the PH logic. Either the PH must be laid into the template or vice versa. That would produce a productivity gain that could be a great sales point, and better justify the PH Web costs. The upcoming version, 2.4, will let you do a much better job of prototyping the entire application before any HTML changes have to be made. Basically, in 2.2, you had to make HTML changes just to get a basic application that passed data back and forth between pages. This is now handled automatically. We are looking at further enhancements to merge the HTML but since the HTML is simple text, with no hooks to the QDESIGN source, it's not a simple task. All I can say is that we are looking at it for a future release. Bob This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error or are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disseminate or distribute it; do not open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3155F.BAFA0610 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Melding

There=20 are no plans to change the base technology. We have a small CGI = component=20 (PHCGI) that is launched by the Web Server in response to a PH Web = request.=20 The PHCGI passes the request to the waiting, already=20 running Dispatcher that sends the request on to the PowerHouse Web = Server,=20 again already running. The PowerHouse Web Server is the familiar QUICK = engine=20 with a new front-end piece that handles the web request. This is = similar=20 to the PH Server that runs with Axiant where you have the engine plus a = front-end to handle client-server connections.

Since=20 the engine is QUICK, you can use DO EXTERNALs to call almost anything = you want.=20 We have customers calling third party tools to do credit card = validation and so=20 on.

We are=20 also investigating XML mechanisms for the next release but it's too = soon to=20 discuss in detail.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Kvisli=20 [mailto:jon.kvisli@lindorffapplications.com]
Sent: = Thursday, May 08,=20 2003 8:35 AM
To: Deskin, Bob;=20 powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: PHWeb

Hi=20 Bob.

Can You=20 provide information about any possible changes in the base = techology of=20 PHWeb? E.g. are there any plans for replacing the CGI-based = mechanisms=20 with generation of Java JSP/servlets that can run on a J2EE = app.server? This=20 will probably make it easier to separate HTML-styles from=20 PH-logic.

Regards

Jon = Kvisli
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Principal=20 Consultant
Lindorff Applications as
Hellandtunet research- og=20 businesscentre
P.O.Box 4, 3833 Bo in Telemark
phone: +47 35 06 = 15=20 71
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mail: jon.kvisli@lindorffa= pplications.com
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Fra: Deskin, Bob=20 [mailto:Bob.Deskin@cognos.com]
Sendt: 7. mai 2003=20 20:48
Til: 'Dennis Hassell';=20 powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Emne: RE: PowerHouse in the next = 3=20 years?

Dennis wrote:

Also, for the future, providing a closer integration of = the PH Web=20 product with an HTML design tool would be very helpful. Right = now, the=20 styled HTML must be modified by hand to implement changes. A = QDESIGN=20 recompile into HTML will not merge the HTML design with the PH = logic.=20 Either the PH must be laid into the template or vice versa. That = would=20 produce a productivity gain that could be a great sales point, = and better=20 justify the PH Web costs.

The upcoming version, 2.4, will let you = do a much=20 better job of prototyping the entire application before any HTML = changes=20 have to be made. Basically, in 2.2, you had to make HTML changes = just to get=20 a basic application that passed data back and forth between pages. = This is=20 now handled automatically.

We are looking at further enhancements = to merge the=20 HTML but since the HTML is simple text, with no hooks to the = QDESIGN source,=20 it's not a simple task. All I can say is that we are looking at it = for a=20 future release.

Bob

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3155F.BAFA0610-- From VGoparaju@tradepointsystems.com Thu May 8 15:45:24 2003 From: VGoparaju@tradepointsystems.com (Goparaju, Vidyasagar) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 10:45:24 -0400 Subject: Sector_7 tools Message-ID: Hello All, Has anybody tried or successfully utilized Sector_7 tools for VMS/DCL on UNIX/Solaris/Powerhouse Environment? Thanks Sagar From Robert.Edis@blistex.com Thu May 8 15:50:51 2003 From: Robert.Edis@blistex.com (Edis, Robert) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 09:50:51 -0500 Subject: PowerHouse in the next 3 years? Message-ID: <003EC701AC78D5119B180000D1EEC32C012F20A4@BLISTEXEXC> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31571.382655B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bob D. In Axiant there is a form that allows "drawing" of the screen. I.e. placement and format of objects such as fields, field labels, titles, etc. Couldn't a HTML tool bar be included there to allow the insertion of HTML tags? Something similar but not necessarily as complex as the tool bar/s found in say HomeSite. This tool bar would only be available to the editor if the screen HTML attributes were set to on. Blue -----Original Message----- From: Deskin, Bob [mailto:Bob.Deskin@cognos.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 6:52 PM To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: RE: PowerHouse in the next 3 years? What I meant was that there is nothing that physically connects HTML code with QDESIGN source. I was thinking of Axiant or even PowerHouse Client, where PowerHouse could relate the generated form to specific objects in the code. I'm not saying that you can't get most of the HTML into QDESIGN as text, and we know that you've got lots of techniques for generating HTML on the fly, but it's not what most people expect. I don't know whether we'll do a template, embed HTML in special QDESIGN keywords, or some combination. But it is needed. And I don't want to go the way of the painters, where the user spends lots of time making things pretty without worrying if it works. PH Web is perfect for making it work and then making it pretty, but maintaining things after it's pretty isn't as easy as it could be. And that's what a productivity tool's all about. Taking those mundane tasks and automating them so that you have time for the stuff that needs brain power. But you knew that :-) Bob -----Original Message----- From: Sheehan, Richard [mailto:RSheehan@ci.bellevue.wa.us] Sent: May 7, 2003 5:30 PM To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: RE: PowerHouse in the next 3 years? Bob, You say there are no hooks into the QDESIGN source. You can create your own hooks using custom tags, e.g.. Sure it is straight text, but you can add your own logic into the text as desired and thus effect the rendering of the HTML as desired; or if added for information only, the result could be no impact as well. Richard. Richard S Sheehan 425.452.6177 Business Systems Analyst City of Bellevue, WA -----Original Message----- From: Deskin, Bob [mailto:Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM] Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:48 AM To: 'Dennis Hassell'; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: RE: PowerHouse in the next 3 years? Dennis wrote: Also, for the future, providing a closer integration of the PH Web product with an HTML design tool would be very helpful. Right now, the styled HTML must be modified by hand to implement changes. A QDESIGN recompile into HTML will not merge the HTML design with the PH logic. Either the PH must be laid into the template or vice versa. That would produce a productivity gain that could be a great sales point, and better justify the PH Web costs. The upcoming version, 2.4, will let you do a much better job of prototyping the entire application before any HTML changes have to be made. Basically, in 2.2, you had to make HTML changes just to get a basic application that passed data back and forth between pages. This is now handled automatically. We are looking at further enhancements to merge the HTML but since the HTML is simple text, with no hooks to the QDESIGN source, it's not a simple task. All I can say is that we are looking at it for a future release. Bob This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error or are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disseminate or distribute it; do not open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank you. This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error or are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disseminate or distribute it; do not open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31571.382655B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Message
Bob D.

In Axiant there is a form that allows "drawing" of the screen. I.e. placement and format of objects such as fields, field labels, titles, etc. Couldn't a HTML tool bar be included there to allow the insertion of HTML tags? Something similar but not necessarily as complex as the tool bar/s found in say HomeSite. This tool bar would only be available to the editor if the screen HTML attributes were set to on.

Blue

-----Original Message-----
From: Deskin, Bob [mailto:Bob.Deskin@cognos.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 6:52 PM
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: PowerHouse in the next 3 years?

What I meant was that there is nothing that physically connects HTML code with QDESIGN source. I was thinking of Axiant or even PowerHouse Client, where PowerHouse could relate the generated form to specific objects in the code. I'm not saying that you can't get most of the HTML into QDESIGN as text, and we know that you've got lots of techniques for generating HTML on the fly, but it's not what most people expect.

I don't know whether we'll do a template, embed HTML in special QDESIGN keywords, or some combination. But it is needed. And I don't want to go the way of the painters, where the user spends lots of time making things pretty without worrying if it works. PH Web is perfect for making it work and then making it pretty, but maintaining things after it's pretty isn't as easy as it could be.

And that's what a productivity tool's all about. Taking those mundane tasks and automating them so that you have time for the stuff that needs brain power. But you knew that :-)

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Sheehan, Richard [mailto:RSheehan@ci.bellevue.wa.us]
Sent: May 7, 2003 5:30 PM
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: PowerHouse in the next 3 years?

Bob,

You say there are no hooks into the QDESIGN source. You can create your own hooks using custom tags, e.g..

Sure it is straight text, but you can add your own logic into the text as desired and thus effect the rendering of the HTML as desired; or if added for information only, the result could be no impact as well.

Richard.

Richard S Sheehan
425.452.6177
Business Systems Analyst
City of Bellevue, WA

-----Original Message-----
From: Deskin, Bob [mailto:Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:48 AM
To: 'Dennis Hassell'; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: PowerHouse in the next 3 years?

Dennis wrote:

Also, for the future, providing a closer integration of the PH Web product with an HTML design tool would be very helpful. Right now, the styled HTML must be modified by hand to implement changes. A QDESIGN recompile into HTML will not merge the HTML design with the PH logic. Either the PH must be laid into the template or vice versa. That would produce a productivity gain that could be a great sales point, and better justify the PH Web costs.

The upcoming version, 2.4, will let you do a much better job of prototyping the entire application before any HTML changes have to be made. Basically, in 2.2, you had to make HTML changes just to get a basic application that passed data back and forth between pages. This is now handled automatically.

We are looking at further enhancements to merge the HTML but since the HTML is simple text, with no hooks to the QDESIGN source, it's not a simple task. All I can say is that we are looking at it for a future release.

Bob

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C31571.382655B0-- From Robert.Edis@blistex.com Thu May 8 16:13:14 2003 From: Robert.Edis@blistex.com (Edis, Robert) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 10:13:14 -0500 Subject: PowerHouse in the next 3 years? Message-ID: <003EC701AC78D5119B180000D1EEC32C012F20A6@BLISTEXEXC> I agree, the Itanium IS an issue. With HP-UX, True64, OpenVMS and MS Windows NT being ported to this processor it is definitely the way servers will go. Other processor technologies will fall by the wayside due to economics over the next few years. Alpha has/is being merged into the Itanium, the SPARC is getting long-in-the-tooth and I think IBM will use the Itanium in preference to developing a new 64bit chip of its own. The only possible contender will be AMD's Sledgehammer which has the advantage of running 32bit apps in native mode as well as 64bit apps. The Itanium runs 32bit apps in emulation mode I believe and therefore such apps run slower on Itanium than on a 32bit CPU. Blue -----Original Message----- From: Hans-Ole Kaae, ScanConsult [mailto:hok@scanconsult.dk] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:21 AM To: Berry, Robert Cc: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: RE: PowerHouse in the next 3 years? Hi, I will just point one thing out. The Itanium thing. I don't know how HP marketing is going on in US/Canada - but here in Europe, Itanium 2 *is* around - alive, well and kicking. If you were to order an upgrade of your HP-UX PA-RISC box today - you would probably go for Itanium - if all your 3. party software does support it, that is. One major issue, based on our own experience: You get more power for less money - and that's of course difficult to ignore. We requested 2 offers from HP - and Itanium was cheaper than PA-RISC - so for the same money we would get more power out of the box. I don't now if this is true for the whole range of HP-boxes - but if it is, shouldn't Cognos support for Itanium be available today? Itanium is more than one thing. PowerHouse for Unix running on Itanium 2 with HP-UX 11i is our issue - and shouldn't be extremely difficult to port, I guess... /With kind regards Hans On 7 May 2003 at 10:41, Berry, Robert wrote: > > People of the board > Free PowerHouse Web.... > If PHWeb were included with the next release (8.4) along with AXiant do > you believe that your applications would be better served???? Do you see > the potential for migrating existing applications to the web???? to > Unix???? Would IT directors embrace this technology??? Do you think that > there is a need for PH Linux??? Do you need Itanium support??? Are you > prepared to show cost savings, manhour reductions, increased > productivity etc etc ?? If so .........please reply..... 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From Christina.Hasse@COGNOS.com Thu May 8 16:26:56 2003 From: Christina.Hasse@COGNOS.com (Hasse, Christina) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 11:26:56 -0400 Subject: PowerHouse in the next 3 years? Message-ID: <31755677B4F9D211929C0008C71BAFF6013144DE@schicorp.cognos.com> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31576.42A66070 Content-Type: text/plain Hi Chris, I am unsure why you had this experience, but I would like to investigate it so it does not happen again. Can you please provide your company name and the person who corresponded with you, so I may follow up with this. Regards, Christina Hasse ADT North American Technical Manager COGNOS CORPORATION christina.hasse@cognos.com 425 N. Martingale Road, Suite 600 Schaumburg, IL 60173 Office: 847 - 285 - 2905 Cell: 847 - 269 - 1909 (new) Fax: 847 - 240 - 0252 -----Original Message----- From: Chris Sharman [mailto:chris.sharman@ccagroup.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 6:10 AM To: Hasse, Christina; PowerH List Subject: Re: PowerHouse in the next 3 years? Hasse, Christina wrote: > RE: PowerHouse in the next 3 years? > > Hi Mark, > > I am trying to understand why you have stated that it is difficult to > get a demo copy of our software. All a company has to do is ask for a > demo copy and we are more than happy to provide one. What was your > experience? I had to jump through hoops to get a copy, too. When I finally did get it, the timing wasn't of my choosing, & the licence was, iirc, quite short, so not much was done with it. An eval copy should be easy to obtain - should come on every CD you send me, or should be easy to find on the web. I found a page to order a 'demo cd' (pc) but I don't think that's the same thing. 90 or 180 days evaluation should be time enough to get real apps up & used, which provides far more leverage to buy the product. Now we're headed down other roads, so PH & PH web have lost preferred supplier status, and need to do a lot of work to recover, and be price/performance competitive too. Chris ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Any views expressed in this message are those of the sender and not necessarily those of CCA Group. The unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is forbidden. The contents of this message may be confidential and/or privileged, copyright CCA Group and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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Hi Chris,

I am unsure why you had this experience, but I would = like to investigate it so it does not happen again. Can you = please provide your company name and the person who corresponded with = you, so I may follow up with this.

Regards,

Christina Hasse
ADT North American Technical Manager
COGNOS CORPORATION
christina.hasse@cognos.com
425 N. Martingale Road, Suite 600
Schaumburg, IL 60173
Office: 847 - 285 - 2905
Cell: 847 - 269 - 1909 (new)
Fax: 847 - 240 - 0252

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Sharman [mailto:chris.sharman@ccagro= up.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 6:10 AM
To: Hasse, Christina; PowerH List
Subject: Re: PowerHouse in the next 3 years?

Hasse, Christina wrote:
>   RE: PowerHouse in the next 3 = years?
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> I am trying to understand why you have stated = that it is difficult to
> get a demo copy of our software. All a = company has to do is ask for a
> demo copy and we are more than happy to provide = one. What was your
> experience?

I had to jump through hoops to get a copy, = too.
When I finally did get it, the timing wasn't of my = choosing, & the
licence was, iirc, quite short, so not much was done = with it.

An eval copy should be easy to obtain - should come = on every CD you send
me, or should be easy to find on the web. I found a = page to order a
'demo cd' (pc) but I don't think that's the same = thing.

90 or 180 days evaluation should be time enough to = get real apps up &
used, which provides far more leverage to buy the = product.

Now we're headed down other roads, so PH & PH web = have lost preferred
supplier status, and need to do a lot of work to = recover, and be
price/performance competitive too.

Chris

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C31576.42A66070-- From Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM Thu May 8 16:30:06 2003 From: Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM (Deskin, Bob) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 11:30:06 -0400 Subject: PowerHouse in the next 3 years? Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31576.B3E0BC40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Part of our design philosophy for PH Web was not to compete with HTML editors, either text based or GUI based. There are too many out there. Plus, we'd be spending a lot of time keeping up with the latest in HTML. Rather, we generate a template that should work on most browsers (at least versions 4 and up). We have talked about doing something in Axiant but nothing definite yet. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Edis, Robert [mailto:Robert.Edis@blistex.com] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:51 AM To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: RE: PowerHouse in the next 3 years? Bob D. In Axiant there is a form that allows "drawing" of the screen. I.e. placement and format of objects such as fields, field labels, titles, etc. Couldn't a HTML tool bar be included there to allow the insertion of HTML tags? Something similar but not necessarily as complex as the tool bar/s found in say HomeSite. This tool bar would only be available to the editor if the screen HTML attributes were set to on. Blue -----Original Message----- From: Deskin, Bob [mailto:Bob.Deskin@cognos.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 6:52 PM To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: RE: PowerHouse in the next 3 years? What I meant was that there is nothing that physically connects HTML code with QDESIGN source. I was thinking of Axiant or even PowerHouse Client, where PowerHouse could relate the generated form to specific objects in the code. I'm not saying that you can't get most of the HTML into QDESIGN as text, and we know that you've got lots of techniques for generating HTML on the fly, but it's not what most people expect. I don't know whether we'll do a template, embed HTML in special QDESIGN keywords, or some combination. But it is needed. And I don't want to go the way of the painters, where the user spends lots of time making things pretty without worrying if it works. PH Web is perfect for making it work and then making it pretty, but maintaining things after it's pretty isn't as easy as it could be. And that's what a productivity tool's all about. Taking those mundane tasks and automating them so that you have time for the stuff that needs brain power. But you knew that :-) Bob -----Original Message----- From: Sheehan, Richard [mailto:RSheehan@ci.bellevue.wa.us] Sent: May 7, 2003 5:30 PM To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: RE: PowerHouse in the next 3 years? Bob, You say there are no hooks into the QDESIGN source. You can create your own hooks using custom tags, e.g.. Sure it is straight text, but you can add your own logic into the text as desired and thus effect the rendering of the HTML as desired; or if added for information only, the result could be no impact as well. Richard. Richard S Sheehan 425.452.6177 Business Systems Analyst City of Bellevue, WA -----Original Message----- From: Deskin, Bob [mailto:Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM] Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:48 AM To: 'Dennis Hassell'; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: RE: PowerHouse in the next 3 years? Dennis wrote: Also, for the future, providing a closer integration of the PH Web product with an HTML design tool would be very helpful. Right now, the styled HTML must be modified by hand to implement changes. A QDESIGN recompile into HTML will not merge the HTML design with the PH logic. Either the PH must be laid into the template or vice versa. That would produce a productivity gain that could be a great sales point, and better justify the PH Web costs. The upcoming version, 2.4, will let you do a much better job of prototyping the entire application before any HTML changes have to be made. Basically, in 2.2, you had to make HTML changes just to get a basic application that passed data back and forth between pages. This is now handled automatically. We are looking at further enhancements to merge the HTML but since the HTML is simple text, with no hooks to the QDESIGN source, it's not a simple task. All I can say is that we are looking at it for a future release. Bob This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. 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Part of our design philosophy for PH Web was not to compete with HTML editors, either text based or GUI based. There are too many out there. Plus, we'd be spending a lot of time keeping up with the latest in HTML. Rather, we generate a template that should work on most browsers (at least versions 4 and up). We have talked about doing something in Axiant but nothing definite yet.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Edis, Robert [mailto:Robert.Edis@blistex.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:51 AM
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: PowerHouse in the next 3 years?

Bob D.

In Axiant there is a form that allows "drawing" of the screen. I.e. placement and format of objects such as fields, field labels, titles, etc. Couldn't a HTML tool bar be included there to allow the insertion of HTML tags? Something similar but not necessarily as complex as the tool bar/s found in say HomeSite. This tool bar would only be available to the editor if the screen HTML attributes were set to on.

Blue

-----Original Message-----
From: Deskin, Bob [mailto:Bob.Deskin@cognos.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 6:52 PM
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: PowerHouse in the next 3 years?

What I meant was that there is nothing that physically connects HTML code with QDESIGN source. I was thinking of Axiant or even PowerHouse Client, where PowerHouse could relate the generated form to specific objects in the code. I'm not saying that you can't get most of the HTML into QDESIGN as text, and we know that you've got lots of techniques for generating HTML on the fly, but it's not what most people expect.

I don't know whether we'll do a template, embed HTML in special QDESIGN keywords, or some combination. But it is needed. And I don't want to go the way of the painters, where the user spends lots of time making things pretty without worrying if it works. PH Web is perfect for making it work and then making it pretty, but maintaining things after it's pretty isn't as easy as it could be.

And that's what a productivity tool's all about. Taking those mundane tasks and automating them so that you have time for the stuff that needs brain power. But you knew that :-)

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Sheehan, Richard [mailto:RSheehan@ci.bellevue.wa.us]
Sent: May 7, 2003 5:30 PM
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: PowerHouse in the next 3 years?

Bob,

You say there are no hooks into the QDESIGN source. You can create your own hooks using custom tags, e.g..

Sure it is straight text, but you can add your own logic into the text as desired and thus effect the rendering of the HTML as desired; or if added for information only, the result could be no impact as well.

Richard.

Richard S Sheehan
425.452.6177
Business Systems Analyst
City of Bellevue, WA

-----Original Message-----
From: Deskin, Bob [mailto:Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:48 AM
To: 'Dennis Hassell'; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: PowerHouse in the next 3 years?

Dennis wrote:

Also, for the future, providing a closer integration of the PH Web product with an HTML design tool would be very helpful. Right now, the styled HTML must be modified by hand to implement changes. A QDESIGN recompile into HTML will not merge the HTML design with the PH logic. Either the PH must be laid into the template or vice versa. That would produce a productivity gain that could be a great sales point, and better justify the PH Web costs.

The upcoming version, 2.4, will let you do a much better job of prototyping the entire application before any HTML changes have to be made. Basically, in 2.2, you had to make HTML changes just to get a basic application that passed data back and forth between pages. This is now handled automatically.

We are looking at further enhancements to merge the HTML but since the HTML is simple text, with no hooks to the QDESIGN source, it's not a simple task. All I can say is that we are looking at it for a future release.

Bob

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C31576.B3E0BC40-- From Bob.Berry@Cognos.com Thu May 8 16:44:25 2003 From: Bob.Berry@Cognos.com (Berry, Robert) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 11:44:25 -0400 Subject: Questionaire results Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31578.B3A88350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Good Day to all The results of my email questionaire follow below. However, I must first comment on the appreciation of all those who chose to respond and speak their frank and honest opinions, both for and against PowerHouse and Cognos. Please be assured that you have been heard. As for the results... 1.) Include PHWeb and AXiant in the box for the 8.4 release?? A resounding "YES" The idea has been discussed and I believe this will happen. 2.) Migrating to Unix or Web?? "YES" 3.) Would IT directors embrace this technology?? FREE will always be embraced!!! 4.) Is there as a need for PH Linux?? "YES" 5.) Do you need Itanium support?? In Europe it appears to be more prominent. In North America the results are mixed. Cognos is reviewing Itanium currently. 6.) Are you willing to show cost savings, manhour reductions, increased productivity, etc. etc?? "YES" I would like to address some of the critics that seem to feel that the ADT Development is not keeping up with the demands of the installed base. Please review the release of products and the dates that we expect to release back to the base. This is the work of a very talented team that continues to produce great software. PowerHouse 8.4xC, PowerHouse Web 2.4xC, Axiant 3.4 - On-Request Release. NT and UNIX (HP-UX, AIX, Solaris) should be available by the end of May. OpenVMS, MPE/iX, UNIX (Tru64) about 2 months later, say July. We hope to have a beta for Eloquence in the summer, probably August. PowerHouse 8.4xD, PowerHouse Web 2.4xD, Axiant 3.4 (maybe D) - Back-to-Base Will include Eloquence on NT and HP-UX plus performance improvements NT and UNIX (HP-UX, AIX, Solaris) maybe October OpenVMS, MPE/iX, UNIX (Tru64) December If you should have any questions, please feel free to contact me and I'd be happy to discuss any of your concerns. Robert Berry Director Customer Operations Phone 781-313-2270 Email bob.berry@cognos.com This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have recieved this e-mail in error or are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disseminate or distribute it; do no open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31578.B3A88350 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Questionaire results
Good Day to all

The results of my email questionaire follow = below. However, I must first comment on the appreciation of all = those who chose to respond and speak their frank and honest opinions, = both for and against PowerHouse and Cognos. Please be assured = that you have been heard.

As for the results...

1.) Include PHWeb and AXiant in the box for the 8.4 = release??

        A = resounding "YES"
The idea has been discussed and I believe this will = happen.

2.) Migrating to Unix or Web??

        "YES"

3.) Would IT directors embrace this = technology??
       =20
        FREE will = always be embraced!!!

4.) Is there as a need for PH Linux??

        "YES"

5.) Do you need Itanium support??

        In Europe = it appears to be more prominent.

        In North = America the results are mixed.

        Cognos is = reviewing Itanium currently.

6.) Are you willing to show cost savings, manhour = reductions, increased productivity, etc. etc??

        "YES"

I would like to address some of the critics that seem = to feel that the ADT Development is not keeping up with the demands of = the installed base. Please review the release of products and the = dates that we expect to release back to the base. This is the = work of a very talented team that continues to produce great = software.

PowerHouse 8.4xC, PowerHouse Web 2.4xC, Axiant 3.4 - = On-Request Release.

NT and UNIX (HP-UX, AIX, Solaris) should be available = by the end of May.

OpenVMS, MPE/iX, UNIX (Tru64) about 2 months later, = say July.

We hope to have a beta for Eloquence in the summer, = probably August.

PowerHouse 8.4xD, PowerHouse Web 2.4xD, Axiant 3.4 = (maybe D) - Back-to-Base
Will include Eloquence on NT and HP-UX plus = performance improvements

NT and UNIX (HP-UX, AIX, Solaris) maybe October =

OpenVMS, MPE/iX, UNIX (Tru64) December

If you should have any questions, please feel free to = contact me and I'd be happy to discuss any of your concerns.

Robert Berry
Director Customer Operations
Phone   781-313-2270
Email bob.berry@cognos.com

This message may contain privileged and/or = confidential information. If you have recieved this e-mail in = error or are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, = disseminate or distribute it; do no open any attachments, delete it = immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by e-mail = that you have done so. Thank you.
------_=_NextPart_001_01C31578.B3A88350-- From darren.reely@latticesemi.com Thu May 8 17:27:19 2003 From: darren.reely@latticesemi.com (Darren Reely) Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 09:27:19 -0700 Subject: Questionaire results References: Message-ID: <3EBA8567.3080003@latticesemi.com> Berry, Robert wrote: > We hope to have a beta for Eloquence in the summer, probably August. > What is Eloquence and does it matter to Powerhouse developers? From Conrad.Whittall@Cognos.COM Thu May 8 17:47:02 2003 From: Conrad.Whittall@Cognos.COM (Whittall, Conrad) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 12:47:02 -0400 Subject: Questionaire results Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31581.735DD6C0 Content-Type: text/plain HP Eloquence is an HP IMAGE "workalike" (the network DBMS supplied with HP3000 servers), and so is only really of interest to those who might be migrating PowerHouse application from MPE to HP-UX or Windows and who don't want to migrate to a relational database such as Oracle, DB2, or SQL Server at the same time. Best regards, Conrad -----Original Message----- From: Darren Reely [mailto:darren.reely@latticesemi.com] Sent: 8 May 2003 12:27 Cc: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' Subject: Re: Questionaire results Berry, Robert wrote: > We hope to have a beta for Eloquence in the summer, probably August. > What is Eloquence and does it matter to Powerhouse developers? = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error or are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disseminate or distribute it; do not open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31581.735DD6C0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Questionaire results

HP Eloquence is an HP IMAGE "workalike" = (the network DBMS supplied with HP3000 servers), and so is only really = of interest to those who might be migrating PowerHouse application from = MPE to HP-UX or Windows and who don't want to migrate to a relational = database such as Oracle, DB2, or SQL Server at the same = time.

Best regards,
Conrad

-----Original Message-----
From: Darren Reely [mailto:darren.reely@lattice= semi.com]
Sent: 8 May 2003 12:27
Cc: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu'
Subject: Re: Questionaire results

Berry, Robert wrote:

> We hope to have a beta for Eloquence in the = summer, probably August.
>
What is Eloquence and does it matter to Powerhouse = developers?

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C31581.735DD6C0-- From macljohn@isu.edu Thu May 8 17:49:52 2003 From: macljohn@isu.edu (John MacLerran) Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 10:49:52 -0600 Subject: Questionaire results References: <3EBA8567.3080003@latticesemi.com> Message-ID: <3EBA8AB0.1060601@isu.edu> Hi Darren, Eloquence is a Turbo-Image work-alike available for HP-UX / Windows / Linux. It matters to HP3000 PH Developers who want to migrate to one of those platforms and not incur the expense and overhead of moving from Image to Relational. Eloquence, by working almost exactly like Image, will save tons of time and money in the migration. You can learn more about Eloquence at www.hp-eloquence.com. I'm pleased to hear that work is still progressing on Eloquence. It matters enough to us that I'd request an Alpha copy, if Cognos would allow it.... Cheers. Darren Reely wrote: > Berry, Robert wrote: > >> We hope to have a beta for Eloquence in the summer, probably August. >> > What is Eloquence and does it matter to Powerhouse developers? > > > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu > Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu > Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to > powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu > http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l > This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. > -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- John MacLerran IT Systems Analyst email: macljohn@isu.edu Idaho State University V(208) 282-2954 http://www.isu.edu/~macljohn F(208) 282-3673 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From mr_lalley@yahoo.com Thu May 8 17:53:01 2003 From: mr_lalley@yahoo.com (Craig Lalley) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 09:53:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Questionaire results In-Reply-To: <3EBA8567.3080003@latticesemi.com> Message-ID: <20030508165301.26900.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> Eloquence, Is a Turbo-Image "look-alike" database that can run on NT, Unix or Linux. http://www.hp-eloquence.com/ The advantage is a quick migration path, native DB calls, (DBPUT, DBGET etc...) and price. -Craig --- Darren Reely wrote: > Berry, Robert wrote: > > > We hope to have a beta for Eloquence in the summer, probably August. > > > What is Eloquence and does it matter to Powerhouse developers? > > > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu > Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu > Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to > powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu > http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l > This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From darren.reely@latticesemi.com Thu May 8 18:17:47 2003 From: darren.reely@latticesemi.com (Darren Reely) Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 10:17:47 -0700 Subject: Processor Direction (was PowerHouse in the next 3 years?) References: <003EC701AC78D5119B180000D1EEC32C012F20A6@BLISTEXEXC> Message-ID: <3EBA913B.1050008@latticesemi.com> Blue, Apparently IBM is producing Itanium boxes just as they do Pentium boxes, but they are also continuing development on their Power processor lines for both servers and lower end machines. They show no intentions of giving up on their own high performance processor. Like the new AMD chip, IBMs 970 runs both 32bit and 64bit applications natively. The reason I know this much, is because I've been following rumors that Apple will soon use this chip. And the SPARC camp isn't sleeping either. I hope your dead wrong regarding "Other processor technologies will fall by the wayside". If that occurs we will begin to see a slowdown to delivered performance increases. In large part, it is the competition that has been pushing us forward at such a fast rate. I think we'll continue to see healthy competition because people do like to have choices. Likely the selection is shrink. Darren Edis, Robert wrote: >I agree, the Itanium IS an issue. With HP-UX, True64, OpenVMS and MS >Windows NT being ported to this processor it is definitely the way servers >will go. Other processor technologies will fall by the wayside due to >economics over the next few years. Alpha has/is being merged into the >Itanium, the SPARC is getting long-in-the-tooth and I think IBM will use the >Itanium in preference to developing a new 64bit chip of its own. The only >possible contender will be AMD's Sledgehammer which has the advantage of >running 32bit apps in native mode as well as 64bit apps. The Itanium runs >32bit apps in emulation mode I believe and therefore such apps run slower on >Itanium than on a 32bit CPU. > > > From oran@intertechsystems.com Thu May 8 18:19:02 2003 From: oran@intertechsystems.com (Oran Shapitka) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 11:19:02 -0600 Subject: Questionaire results In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C31553.A0E69240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Questionaire resultsBob, Seeing as you are open to enhancing the ADT products, and are demonstrating a commitment to ADT from Cognos, maybe you could share what type of licensing activity you see with the ADT products. It seems that you believe there is a strong opportunity for ADT to grow. Maybe we have the wrong perception that the product is dying.? Oran Shapitka, I.S.P. Intertech Business Systems, Inc. 1100 Empire Building 10080 Jasper Ave Edmonton, AB T5J 1V9 Canada Email: orshapitka@wsiconsultants.com Voice: (780) 413-0400 Fax: (780) 413-0398 www.intertechsavant.com -----Original Message----- From: powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu]On Behalf Of Berry, Robert Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 9:44 AM To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' Subject: Questionaire results Good Day to all The results of my email questionaire follow below. However, I must first comment on the appreciation of all those who chose to respond and speak their frank and honest opinions, both for and against PowerHouse and Cognos. Please be assured that you have been heard. As for the results... 1.) Include PHWeb and AXiant in the box for the 8.4 release?? A resounding "YES" The idea has been discussed and I believe this will happen. 2.) Migrating to Unix or Web?? "YES" 3.) Would IT directors embrace this technology?? FREE will always be embraced!!! 4.) Is there as a need for PH Linux?? "YES" 5.) Do you need Itanium support?? In Europe it appears to be more prominent. In North America the results are mixed. Cognos is reviewing Itanium currently. 6.) Are you willing to show cost savings, manhour reductions, increased productivity, etc. etc?? "YES" I would like to address some of the critics that seem to feel that the ADT Development is not keeping up with the demands of the installed base. Please review the release of products and the dates that we expect to release back to the base. This is the work of a very talented team that continues to produce great software. PowerHouse 8.4xC, PowerHouse Web 2.4xC, Axiant 3.4 - On-Request Release. NT and UNIX (HP-UX, AIX, Solaris) should be available by the end of May. OpenVMS, MPE/iX, UNIX (Tru64) about 2 months later, say July. We hope to have a beta for Eloquence in the summer, probably August. PowerHouse 8.4xD, PowerHouse Web 2.4xD, Axiant 3.4 (maybe D) - Back-to-Base Will include Eloquence on NT and HP-UX plus performance improvements NT and UNIX (HP-UX, AIX, Solaris) maybe October OpenVMS, MPE/iX, UNIX (Tru64) December If you should have any questions, please feel free to contact me and I'd be happy to discuss any of your concerns. Robert Berry Director Customer Operations Phone 781-313-2270 Email bob.berry@cognos.com This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have recieved this e-mail in error or are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disseminate or distribute it; do no open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank you. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C31553.A0E69240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Questionaire results
Bob,

Seeing as you are open to enhancing = the ADT=20 products, and are demonstrating a commitment to ADT from Cognos, maybe you could share what type = of=20 licensing activity you see with the ADT products.  It seems that you believe there is a strong = opportunity=20 for ADT to grow. Maybe we have the wrong perception that = the=20 product is dying.?

Oran Shapitka, = I.S.P.

Intertech Business Systems, = Inc.=20
1100 Empire Building
10080 Jasper=20 Ave
Edmonton, AB T5J 1V9    Canada

Email: orshapitka@wsiconsultants.com

Voice: (780) 413-0400 =
Fax:    (780) 413-0398

www.intertechsavant.com=20

-----Original Message-----
From: = powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu=20 [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu]On Behalf Of Berry,=20 Robert
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 9:44 AM
To:=20 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu'
Subject: Questionaire=20 results

Good Day to all

The results of my email questionaire follow = below. =20 However, I must first comment on the appreciation of all those who chose = to=20 respond and speak their frank and honest opinions, both for and against=20 PowerHouse and Cognos. Please be assured that you have been=20 heard.

As for the results...

1.) Include PHWeb and AXiant in the box for the 8.4=20 release??

        A = resounding=20 "YES"
The idea has been discussed and I = believe this=20 will happen.

2.) Migrating to Unix or Web??

        "YES"

3.) Would IT directors embrace this = technology??=20
       =20
        FREE will = always be=20 embraced!!!

4.) Is there as a need for PH Linux??

        "YES"

5.) Do you need Itanium support??

        In Europe = it appears=20 to be more prominent.

        In North = America the=20 results are mixed.

        Cognos is = reviewing=20 Itanium currently.

6.) Are you willing to show cost savings, manhour = reductions,=20 increased productivity, etc. etc??

        "YES"

I would like to address some of the critics that seem = to feel=20 that the ADT Development is not keeping up with the demands of the = installed=20 base. Please review the release of products and the dates that we = expect=20 to release back to the base. This is the work of a very talented = team that=20 continues to produce great software.

PowerHouse 8.4xC, PowerHouse Web 2.4xC, Axiant 3.4 - = On-Request=20 Release.

NT and UNIX (HP-UX, AIX, Solaris) should be available = by the end=20 of May.

OpenVMS, MPE/iX, UNIX (Tru64) about 2 months later, = say=20 July.

We hope to have a beta for Eloquence in the summer, = probably=20 August.

PowerHouse 8.4xD, PowerHouse Web 2.4xD, Axiant 3.4 = (maybe D) -=20 Back-to-Base
Will include Eloquence on NT and = HP-UX plus=20 performance improvements

NT and UNIX (HP-UX, AIX, Solaris) maybe October =20

OpenVMS, MPE/iX, UNIX (Tru64) December

If you should have any questions, please feel free to = contact me=20 and I'd be happy to discuss any of your concerns.

Robert Berry
Director = Customer=20 Operations
Phone   = 781-313-2270=20
Email bob.berry@cognos.com

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------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C31553.A0E69240-- From Robert.Edis@blistex.com Thu May 8 18:37:30 2003 From: Robert.Edis@blistex.com (Edis, Robert) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 12:37:30 -0500 Subject: Processor Direction (was PowerHouse in the next 3 years?) Message-ID: <003EC701AC78D5119B180000D1EEC32C012F20AB@BLISTEXEXC> Thanks for the info Darren Technology (and other areas of commercial enterprise) seems to be heading for a situation of only 2 or 3 big players in any given market space who control 90+% of the market. The remaining 10-% will be fought over by small new comers and niche players, all of whom stand the chance of being bought up by one of the biggies if successful. We can see this trend with hardware manufacturers, car rental companies, car manufacturers, DoD suppliers, health care, petroleum, you name it. Even the funeral home industry has been largely consolidated. The inevitable results in such industry consolidation is that redundant technology (I'm saying inferior) is disposed of (albeit slowly so as to deal with backlash from customers) to avoid competing revenue streams in the new mega-corp. *Sometimes* there is enough consumer demand to support multiple "brands" but there is always the conflict between "the bottom line" and consumer sentiment. Very little has to do with quality, appropriateness, or other attributes that get in the way of making money. The advantage of all this is that the big corps lose site of the future which is often happening in the 10% of the market they ignore. So the little guy has a chance, not to compete in the same market as the mega-corps, but in the opportunities they can't see. So ends today's sermon. :) Blue -----Original Message----- From: Darren Reely [mailto:darren.reely@latticesemi.com] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 12:18 PM Cc: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' Subject: Processor Direction (was PowerHouse in the next 3 years?) Blue, Apparently IBM is producing Itanium boxes just as they do Pentium boxes, but they are also continuing development on their Power processor lines for both servers and lower end machines. They show no intentions of giving up on their own high performance processor. Like the new AMD chip, IBMs 970 runs both 32bit and 64bit applications natively. The reason I know this much, is because I've been following rumors that Apple will soon use this chip. And the SPARC camp isn't sleeping either. I hope your dead wrong regarding "Other processor technologies will fall by the wayside". If that occurs we will begin to see a slowdown to delivered performance increases. In large part, it is the competition that has been pushing us forward at such a fast rate. I think we'll continue to see healthy competition because people do like to have choices. Likely the selection is shrink. Darren Edis, Robert wrote: >I agree, the Itanium IS an issue. With HP-UX, True64, OpenVMS and MS >Windows NT being ported to this processor it is definitely the way servers >will go. Other processor technologies will fall by the wayside due to >economics over the next few years. Alpha has/is being merged into the >Itanium, the SPARC is getting long-in-the-tooth and I think IBM will use the >Itanium in preference to developing a new 64bit chip of its own. The only >possible contender will be AMD's Sledgehammer which has the advantage of >running 32bit apps in native mode as well as 64bit apps. The Itanium runs >32bit apps in emulation mode I believe and therefore such apps run slower on >Itanium than on a 32bit CPU. > > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. From Robert.Edis@blistex.com Thu May 8 18:43:33 2003 From: Robert.Edis@blistex.com (Edis, Robert) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 12:43:33 -0500 Subject: Questionaire results Message-ID: <003EC701AC78D5119B180000D1EEC32C012F20AC@BLISTEXEXC> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31589.588CC830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Also Bob B., do you have an idea as to what percent of the ADT marketplace 4GLs current have and the trend for 4GL acceptance? What percentage of this market segment does PH have and is this share changing? How much does ADT contribute to the bottom line at Cognos and how does the cost benefit of ADT compare with BI? I am a Cognos share holder and the annual reports don't say ANYTHING about ADT contributions/costs. Blue -----Original Message----- From: Oran Shapitka [mailto:oran@intertechsystems.com] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 12:19 PM To: Berry, Robert; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: RE: Questionaire results Bob, Seeing as you are open to enhancing the ADT products, and are demonstrating a commitment to ADT from Cognos, maybe you could share what type of licensing activity you see with the ADT products. It seems that you believe there is a strong opportunity for ADT to grow. Maybe we have the wrong perception that the product is dying.? Oran Shapitka, I.S.P. Intertech Business Systems, Inc. 1100 Empire Building 10080 Jasper Ave Edmonton, AB T5J 1V9 Canada Email: orshapitka@wsiconsultants.com Voice: (780) 413-0400 Fax: (780) 413-0398 www.intertechsavant.com -----Original Message----- From: powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu]On Behalf Of Berry, Robert Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 9:44 AM To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' Subject: Questionaire results Good Day to all The results of my email questionaire follow below. However, I must first comment on the appreciation of all those who chose to respond and speak their frank and honest opinions, both for and against PowerHouse and Cognos. Please be assured that you have been heard. As for the results... 1.) Include PHWeb and AXiant in the box for the 8.4 release?? A resounding "YES" The idea has been discussed and I believe this will happen. 2.) Migrating to Unix or Web?? "YES" 3.) Would IT directors embrace this technology?? FREE will always be embraced!!! 4.) Is there as a need for PH Linux?? "YES" 5.) Do you need Itanium support?? In Europe it appears to be more prominent. In North America the results are mixed. Cognos is reviewing Itanium currently. 6.) Are you willing to show cost savings, manhour reductions, increased productivity, etc. etc?? "YES" I would like to address some of the critics that seem to feel that the ADT Development is not keeping up with the demands of the installed base. Please review the release of products and the dates that we expect to release back to the base. This is the work of a very talented team that continues to produce great software. PowerHouse 8.4xC, PowerHouse Web 2.4xC, Axiant 3.4 - On-Request Release. NT and UNIX (HP-UX, AIX, Solaris) should be available by the end of May. OpenVMS, MPE/iX, UNIX (Tru64) about 2 months later, say July. We hope to have a beta for Eloquence in the summer, probably August. PowerHouse 8.4xD, PowerHouse Web 2.4xD, Axiant 3.4 (maybe D) - Back-to-Base Will include Eloquence on NT and HP-UX plus performance improvements NT and UNIX (HP-UX, AIX, Solaris) maybe October OpenVMS, MPE/iX, UNIX (Tru64) December If you should have any questions, please feel free to contact me and I'd be happy to discuss any of your concerns. Robert Berry Director Customer Operations Phone 781-313-2270 Email bob.berry@cognos.com This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have recieved this e-mail in error or are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disseminate or distribute it; do no open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31589.588CC830 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Questionaire results
Also Bob B., do you have an idea as to what percent of the ADT marketplace 4GLs current have and the trend for 4GL acceptance? What percentage of this market segment does PH have and is this share changing? How much does ADT contribute to the bottom line at Cognos and how does the cost benefit of ADT compare with BI?

I am a Cognos share holder and the annual reports don't say ANYTHING about ADT contributions/costs.

Blue

-----Original Message-----
From: Oran Shapitka [mailto:oran@intertechsystems.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 12:19 PM
To: Berry, Robert; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: Questionaire results

Bob,

Seeing as you are open to enhancing the ADT products, and are demonstrating a commitment to ADT from Cognos, maybe you could share what type of licensing activity you see with the ADT products.  It seems that you believe there is a strong opportunity for ADT to grow. Maybe we have the wrong perception that the product is dying.?

Oran Shapitka, I.S.P.

Intertech Business Systems, Inc.
1100 Empire Building
10080 Jasper Ave
Edmonton, AB T5J 1V9    Canada

Email: orshapitka@wsiconsultants.com

Voice: (780) 413-0400
Fax:    (780) 413-0398

www.intertechsavant.com

-----Original Message-----
From: powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu]On Behalf Of Berry, Robert
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 9:44 AM
To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu'
Subject: Questionaire results

Good Day to all

The results of my email questionaire follow below. However, I must first comment on the appreciation of all those who chose to respond and speak their frank and honest opinions, both for and against PowerHouse and Cognos. Please be assured that you have been heard.

As for the results...

1.) Include PHWeb and AXiant in the box for the 8.4 release??

        A resounding "YES"
The idea has been discussed and I believe this will happen.

2.) Migrating to Unix or Web??

        "YES"

3.) Would IT directors embrace this technology??

        FREE will always be embraced!!!

4.) Is there as a need for PH Linux??

        "YES"

5.) Do you need Itanium support??

        In Europe it appears to be more prominent.

        In North America the results are mixed.

        Cognos is reviewing Itanium currently.

6.) Are you willing to show cost savings, manhour reductions, increased productivity, etc. etc??

        "YES"

I would like to address some of the critics that seem to feel that the ADT Development is not keeping up with the demands of the installed base. Please review the release of products and the dates that we expect to release back to the base. This is the work of a very talented team that continues to produce great software.

PowerHouse 8.4xC, PowerHouse Web 2.4xC, Axiant 3.4 - On-Request Release.

NT and UNIX (HP-UX, AIX, Solaris) should be available by the end of May.

OpenVMS, MPE/iX, UNIX (Tru64) about 2 months later, say July.

We hope to have a beta for Eloquence in the summer, probably August.

PowerHouse 8.4xD, PowerHouse Web 2.4xD, Axiant 3.4 (maybe D) - Back-to-Base
Will include Eloquence on NT and HP-UX plus performance improvements

NT and UNIX (HP-UX, AIX, Solaris) maybe October

OpenVMS, MPE/iX, UNIX (Tru64) December

If you should have any questions, please feel free to contact me and I'd be happy to discuss any of your concerns.

Robert Berry
Director Customer Operations
Phone   781-313-2270
Email bob.berry@cognos.com

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C31589.588CC830-- From Bob.Berry@Cognos.com Thu May 8 19:22:14 2003 From: Bob.Berry@Cognos.com (Berry, Robert) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:22:14 -0400 Subject: Questionnaire results Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3158E.C01421B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Oran, Let me first say that I'm open to the enhancement of the ADT products...However, I'm not responsible for the enhancements. Second, I'm extremely committed to the the ADT product line but more importantly I'm committed to my customer base. I've been with Cognos for over 14 years and have seen the company become one of the strongest reporting tool companies in the world. The peak in ADT growth came between 1998 and 2000. This was due to the Y2K issues that gripped us all. For the past three years revenues have declined but to a level that if Y2K hadn't occurred we would have been rather consistent in our performance. The state of the ADT base today is similar to the Y2K situation. HP has announced the discontinuance of the 3000 line and there customer base must decide which way they are going to turn. Stay on IX...go to UX...or ????? As I stated in my "Questionnaire Results" email, "Cognos continues to support and enhance the ADT line of products as you saw with the release schedule." The FUD (Fear Uncertainty Doubt) is as prominent today as it was back in the late nineties with the Y2K issue. I have seen a commitment to PowerHouse over the past few years growing. For the past thirty years developers like yourself have written applications that have withstood the test of time. Corporations are beginning to look for low cost alternatives, now more than ever. What they don't realize is that it's been working for them for a number of years and continues to produce quality results at a very low cost. Only minimal maintenance is required, larger servers to handle more data and an application that still continues to handle all that is thrown at it with n'er a complaint. As far as licensing activity is concerned...I'm not a liberty to give out specific numbers ...However I can assure you that the license transaction level for both North America and the rest of the world still remains strong. As well as the number of customers that maintain support for there PowerHouse licenses. As many people have complained about the pricing of Cognos ADT products you must also understand that the price of a Powerhouse license has declined over 70% in the past few years. We chose to reduce prices to maintain and expand our customer base. With products such as PHWeb and AXiant we feel that our customer base now has necessary tools to move forward. New and exciting success stories are available on the PowerHouse website. Please review what customers are doing with low cost and high productivity tools from Cognos. I hope this answers your questions Oran and enlightens the rest of the Cognos PowerHouse Community. Yours in ADT Bob Berry -----Original Message----- From: Oran Shapitka [mailto:oran@intertechsystems.com] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:19 PM To: Berry, Robert; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: RE: Questionaire results Bob, Seeing as you are open to enhancing the ADT products, and are demonstrating a commitment to ADT from Cognos, maybe you could share what type of licensing activity you see with the ADT products. It seems that you believe there is a strong opportunity for ADT to grow. Maybe we have the wrong perception that the product is dying.? Oran Shapitka, I.S.P. Intertech Business Systems, Inc. 1100 Empire Building 10080 Jasper Ave Edmonton, AB T5J 1V9 Canada Email: orshapitka@wsiconsultants.com Voice: (780) 413-0400 Fax: (780) 413-0398 www.intertechsavant.com -----Original Message----- From: powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu]On Behalf Of Berry, Robert Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 9:44 AM To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' Subject: Questionaire results Good Day to all The results of my email questionaire follow below. However, I must first comment on the appreciation of all those who chose to respond and speak their frank and honest opinions, both for and against PowerHouse and Cognos. Please be assured that you have been heard. As for the results... 1.) Include PHWeb and AXiant in the box for the 8.4 release?? A resounding "YES" The idea has been discussed and I believe this will happen. 2.) Migrating to Unix or Web?? "YES" 3.) Would IT directors embrace this technology?? FREE will always be embraced!!! 4.) Is there as a need for PH Linux?? "YES" 5.) Do you need Itanium support?? In Europe it appears to be more prominent. In North America the results are mixed. Cognos is reviewing Itanium currently. 6.) Are you willing to show cost savings, manhour reductions, increased productivity, etc. etc?? "YES" I would like to address some of the critics that seem to feel that the ADT Development is not keeping up with the demands of the installed base. Please review the release of products and the dates that we expect to release back to the base. This is the work of a very talented team that continues to produce great software. PowerHouse 8.4xC, PowerHouse Web 2.4xC, Axiant 3.4 - On-Request Release. NT and UNIX (HP-UX, AIX, Solaris) should be available by the end of May. OpenVMS, MPE/iX, UNIX (Tru64) about 2 months later, say July. We hope to have a beta for Eloquence in the summer, probably August. PowerHouse 8.4xD, PowerHouse Web 2.4xD, Axiant 3.4 (maybe D) - Back-to-Base Will include Eloquence on NT and HP-UX plus performance improvements NT and UNIX (HP-UX, AIX, Solaris) maybe October OpenVMS, MPE/iX, UNIX (Tru64) December If you should have any questions, please feel free to contact me and I'd be happy to discuss any of your concerns. Robert Berry Director Customer Operations Phone 781-313-2270 Email bob.berry@cognos.com This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have recieved this e-mail in error or are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disseminate or distribute it; do no open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank you. This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have recieved this e-mail in error or are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disseminate or distribute it; do no open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3158E.C01421B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Questionaire results
Oran,

Let me first say that I'm open to the enhancement of the ADT products...However, I'm not responsible for the enhancements. Second, I'm extremely committed to the the ADT product line but more importantly I'm committed to my customer base.

I've been with Cognos for over 14 years and have seen the company become one of the strongest reporting tool companies in the world. The peak in ADT growth came between 1998 and 2000. This was due to the Y2K issues that gripped us all. For the past three years revenues have declined but to a level that if Y2K hadn't occurred we would have been rather consistent in our performance.

The state of the ADT base today is similar to the Y2K situation. HP has announced the discontinuance of the 3000 line and there customer base must decide which way they are going to turn. Stay on IX...go to UX...or ?????    As I stated in my "Questionnaire Results" email, "Cognos continues to support and enhance the ADT line of products as you saw with the release schedule."

The FUD (Fear Uncertainty Doubt) is as prominent today as it was back in the late nineties with the Y2K issue. I have seen a commitment to PowerHouse over the past few years growing. For the past thirty years developers like yourself have written applications that have withstood the test of time. Corporations are beginning to look for low cost alternatives, now more than ever.  What they don't realize is that it's been working for them for a number of years and continues to produce quality results at a very low cost. Only minimal maintenance is required, larger servers to handle more data and an application that still continues to handle all that is thrown at it with n'er a complaint.

As far as licensing activity is concerned...I'm not a liberty to give out specific numbers ...However I can assure you that the license transaction level for both North America and the rest of the world still remains strong. As well as the number of customers that maintain support for there PowerHouse licenses.

As many people have complained about the pricing of Cognos ADT products you must also understand that the price of a Powerhouse license has declined over 70% in the past few years. We chose to reduce prices to maintain and expand our customer base. With products such as PHWeb and AXiant we feel that our customer base now has necessary tools to move forward. New and exciting success stories are available on the PowerHouse website. Please review what customers are doing with low cost and high productivity tools from Cognos.

I hope this answers your questions Oran and enlightens the rest of the Cognos PowerHouse Community.

Yours in ADT

Bob Berry

-----Original Message-----
From: Oran Shapitka [mailto:oran@intertechsystems.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:19 PM
To: Berry, Robert; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: Questionaire results

Bob,

Seeing as you are open to enhancing the ADT products, and are demonstrating a commitment to ADT from Cognos, maybe you could share what type of licensing activity you see with the ADT products.  It seems that you believe there is a strong opportunity for ADT to grow. Maybe we have the wrong perception that the product is dying.?

Oran Shapitka, I.S.P.

Intertech Business Systems, Inc.
1100 Empire Building
10080 Jasper Ave
Edmonton, AB T5J 1V9    Canada

Email: orshapitka@wsiconsultants.com

Voice: (780) 413-0400
Fax:    (780) 413-0398

www.intertechsavant.com

-----Original Message-----
From: powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu]On Behalf Of Berry, Robert
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 9:44 AM
To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu'
Subject: Questionaire results

Good Day to all

The results of my email questionaire follow below. However, I must first comment on the appreciation of all those who chose to respond and speak their frank and honest opinions, both for and against PowerHouse and Cognos. Please be assured that you have been heard.

As for the results...

1.) Include PHWeb and AXiant in the box for the 8.4 release??

        A resounding "YES"
The idea has been discussed and I believe this will happen.

2.) Migrating to Unix or Web??

        "YES"

3.) Would IT directors embrace this technology??

        FREE will always be embraced!!!

4.) Is there as a need for PH Linux??

        "YES"

5.) Do you need Itanium support??

        In Europe it appears to be more prominent.

        In North America the results are mixed.

        Cognos is reviewing Itanium currently.

6.) Are you willing to show cost savings, manhour reductions, increased productivity, etc. etc??

        "YES"

I would like to address some of the critics that seem to feel that the ADT Development is not keeping up with the demands of the installed base. Please review the release of products and the dates that we expect to release back to the base. This is the work of a very talented team that continues to produce great software.

PowerHouse 8.4xC, PowerHouse Web 2.4xC, Axiant 3.4 - On-Request Release.

NT and UNIX (HP-UX, AIX, Solaris) should be available by the end of May.

OpenVMS, MPE/iX, UNIX (Tru64) about 2 months later, say July.

We hope to have a beta for Eloquence in the summer, probably August.

PowerHouse 8.4xD, PowerHouse Web 2.4xD, Axiant 3.4 (maybe D) - Back-to-Base
Will include Eloquence on NT and HP-UX plus performance improvements

NT and UNIX (HP-UX, AIX, Solaris) maybe October

OpenVMS, MPE/iX, UNIX (Tru64) December

If you should have any questions, please feel free to contact me and I'd be happy to discuss any of your concerns.

Robert Berry
Director Customer Operations
Phone   781-313-2270
Email bob.berry@cognos.com

This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have recieved this e-mail in error or are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disseminate or distribute it; do no open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank you.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3158E.C01421B0-- From stewm@canada.com Thu May 8 19:34:25 2003 From: stewm@canada.com (stewm@canada.com) Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 11:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: PowerHouse in the next 3 years? Message-ID: <20030508113431.24323.h011.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net> Christina, I would agree. I the past when I called Cognos with a customer number in hand I was embraced with open arms. I'm talking about what about when you do not have a customer number in hand? What if my company is a service company. The real Cognos customer is our client. How easily is it for business information technologists of private service companies? Let's say I get an email in my inbox and it's says have you ever worked with Axiant. Let's says one of the ways that is ever going to happen is you get your hands on it. Let's say that individual wants to gets his hands on it so the next time he can say 'yes, I've started using it'. The other way I guess is he could go take some lessons at Cognos for $1000's. How long with it take for that person (not a company), with no inclination to buy a demo or eval copies of Axiant? 24 hours, 2 weeks,?? How long does it take a college student who is considering trying to enter the work force and starts to see some PowerHouseWeb jobs out there on monsterjobs? How does he get his hands on it? He can start doing Java any day of the week. Recruiters get asked for Axiant resources from time to time. Poor guys have a better chance of winning the lottery sometimes then finding a guy to do an Axiant project. It's not true that this software is easily accessible for those of us in IT (Information Technology). Those of us with Computer Science Degrees and Business Information Technology Diplomas that actually do the work, right. You send the customer your manuals and your evals and it they sit there for the first time they get Tom, Dick, and Harry from Sales, Accounting, and the warehouse to come over and try it out. Then maybe stick it on a shelf in their office with the other evals and pretend they know something about software. I've been places with they have bookkeepers programming in PowerHouse. Try explain to them why they should use a Choose instead of a Select. Good luck. Try putting your product in the hands of Information Technologists with training and the ability to learn and know the concepts required to make real use of your ADT product. Then MAYBE the customer might want to go to Axiant if they knew there were some people out there with a solid computer science education that know Axiant and could design reliable business applications. Maybe though, if all that did happen...then your customers wouldn't be forced to call Cognos and have to pay one of your consultants to come out and do the job for double the rate the rest us poor IT guys would charge. Let's face it who would want to haggle with Java to write business applications when they could use PowerHouse Web. If I had to sit there and start hammering out 200 lines of Java to do some that would take 20 seconds in PowerHouse I'd be asking myself why? Appets and servets using Java fine. The application side of things, PowerHouseWeb would rule. Thing is noone with a computer science background knows PowerHouseWEB from a hole in the ground nor will most of them ever get a chance to try it. Mark Hi Mark, I am trying to understand why you have stated that it is difficult to get a demo copy of our software. All a company has to do is ask for a demo copy and we are more than happy to provide one. What was your experience? Regards, Hasse ADT North American Technical Manager COGNOS CORPORATION christina.hasse@cognos.com 425 N. Martingale Road, Suite 600 Schaumburg, IL 60173 Office: 847 - 285 - 2905 Cell: 847 - 269 - 1909 (new) Fax: 847 - 240 - 0252 -----Original Message----- From: stewm@canada.com [mailto:stewm@canada.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:48 AM To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: PowerHouse in the next 3 years? Bob B., it wouldn't hurt to let the masses try out the products at least. Trying to get a demo copy of Axiant, PowerHouse Web is like trying to find out how they got the caramel in the Caramilk Bar with you guys. It wouldn't hurt to make the products more out there to the public (downloadable perhaps). I have Java on my machine at home for free. Got it from Sun. Was able to dive right in to Java. Imagine if is was that easy for the masses to dive right into PowerHouse Web. Mark Stewart Windsor, Ontario Berry, Robert Bob.Berry@Cognos.com Wed, 7 May 2003 10:41:06 -0400 Previous message: INTERBASE Next message: PowerHouse in the next 3 years? Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C314A6.B13800F0 Content-Type: text/plain;         charset="iso-8859-1" People of the board Free PowerHouse Web.... If PHWeb were included with the next release (8.4) along with AXiant do you believe that your applications would be better served???? Do you see the potential for migrating existing applications to the web???? to Unix???? Would IT directors embrace this technology??? Do you think that there is a need for PH Linux??? Do you need Itanium support??? Are you prepared to show cost savings, manhour reductions, increased productivity etc etc ?? If so .........please reply..... Bob Consultants Club Corp. Quote for the Day: Live by the sword, die by the sword. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error or are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disseminate or distribute it; do not open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank you. Consultants Club Corp. Quote for the Day: Live by the sword, die by the sword. From smiller@the-med.org Thu May 8 19:42:57 2003 From: smiller@the-med.org (Miller, Maurice) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:42:57 -0500 Subject: PowerHouse in the next 3 years? Message-ID: <6F9EFB4A59E646449F1BE3BEBA072163510FC6@stanford.the-med.org> I just got a telephone call from our application vendor, explaining why I probably don't need PHWeb or Axiant. He was very helpful and apologetic, however I have to "sadly" agree that Mark and Bob B. anon -----Original Message----- From: stewm@canada.com [mailto:stewm@canada.com] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:34 PM To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: RE: PowerHouse in the next 3 years? Christina, I would agree. I the past when I called Cognos with a customer number in hand I was embraced with open arms. I'm talking about what about when you do not have a customer number in hand? What if my company is a service company. The real Cognos customer is our client. How easily is it for business information technologists of private service companies? Let's say I get an email in my inbox and it's says have you ever worked with Axiant. Let's says one of the ways that is ever going to happen is you get your hands on it. Let's say that individual wants to gets his hands on it so the next time he can say 'yes, I've started using it'. The other way I guess is he could go take some lessons at Cognos for $1000's. How long with it take for that person (not a company), with no inclination to buy a demo or eval copies of Axiant? 24 hours, 2 weeks,?? How long does it take a college student who is considering trying to enter the work force and starts to see some PowerHouseWeb jobs out there on monsterjobs? How does he get his hands on it? He can start doing Java any day of the week. Recruiters get asked for Axiant resources from time to time. Poor guys have a better chance of winning the lottery sometimes then finding a guy to do an Axiant project. It's not true that this software is easily accessible for those of us in IT (Information Technology). Those of us with Computer Science Degrees and Business Information Technology Diplomas that actually do the work, right. You send the customer your manuals and your evals and it they sit there for the first time they get Tom, Dick, and Harry from Sales, Accounting, and the warehouse to come over and try it out. Then maybe stick it on a shelf in their office with the other evals and pretend they know something about software. I've been places with they have bookkeepers programming in PowerHouse. Try explain to them why they should use a Choose instead of a Select. Good luck. Try putting your product in the hands of Information Technologists with training and the ability to learn and know the concepts required to make real use of your ADT product. Then MAYBE the customer might want to go to Axiant if they knew there were some people out there with a solid computer science education that know Axiant and could design reliable business applications. Maybe though, if all that did happen...then your customers wouldn't be forced to call Cognos and have to pay one of your consultants to come out and do the job for double the rate the rest us poor IT guys would charge. Let's face it who would want to haggle with Java to write business applications when they could use PowerHouse Web. If I had to sit there and start hammering out 200 lines of Java to do some that would take 20 seconds in PowerHouse I'd be asking myself why? Appets and servets using Java fine. The application side of things, PowerHouseWeb would rule. Thing is noone with a computer science background knows PowerHouseWEB from a hole in the ground nor will most of them ever get a chance to try it. Mark Hi Mark, I am trying to understand why you have stated that it is difficult to get a demo copy of our software. All a company has to do is ask for a demo copy and we are more than happy to provide one. What was your experience? Regards, Hasse ADT North American Technical Manager COGNOS CORPORATION christina.hasse@cognos.com 425 N. Martingale Road, Suite 600 Schaumburg, IL 60173 Office: 847 - 285 - 2905 Cell: 847 - 269 - 1909 (new) Fax: 847 - 240 - 0252 -----Original Message----- From: stewm@canada.com [mailto:stewm@canada.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:48 AM To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: PowerHouse in the next 3 years? Bob B., it wouldn't hurt to let the masses try out the products at least. Trying to get a demo copy of Axiant, PowerHouse Web is like trying to find out how they got the caramel in the Caramilk Bar with you guys. It wouldn't hurt to make the products more out there to the public (downloadable perhaps). I have Java on my machine at home for free. Got it from Sun. Was able to dive right in to Java. Imagine if is was that easy for the masses to dive right into PowerHouse Web. Mark Stewart Windsor, Ontario Berry, Robert Bob.Berry@Cognos.com Wed, 7 May 2003 10:41:06 -0400 Previous message: INTERBASE Next message: PowerHouse in the next 3 years? Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C314A6.B13800F0 Content-Type: text/plain;         charset="iso-8859-1" People of the board Free PowerHouse Web.... If PHWeb were included with the next release (8.4) along with AXiant do you believe that your applications would be better served???? Do you see the potential for migrating existing applications to the web???? to Unix???? Would IT directors embrace this technology??? Do you think that there is a need for PH Linux??? Do you need Itanium support??? Are you prepared to show cost savings, manhour reductions, increased productivity etc etc ?? If so .........please reply..... Bob Consultants Club Corp. Quote for the Day: Live by the sword, die by the sword. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error or are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disseminate or distribute it; do not open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank you. Consultants Club Corp. Quote for the Day: Live by the sword, die by the sword. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. From Robert.Edis@blistex.com Thu May 8 19:49:05 2003 From: Robert.Edis@blistex.com (Edis, Robert) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:49:05 -0500 Subject: PowerHouse in the next 3 years? Message-ID: <003EC701AC78D5119B180000D1EEC32C012F20AE@BLISTEXEXC> To be fair to Christina, she and others at Cognos have really tried to help with issues like this. They DO understand what we are saying and wish they could help more. The BEST way to get a personal (not to used to develop commercial solutions) copy of PH/Web/Axiant to get involved with the Beta program. You get the latest version of the software on CD-ROM (no support) and the opportunity to not only get familiar with the tools in your own time but help the Cognos development team with finding the bugs before final release as well. Blue -----Original Message----- From: stewm@canada.com [mailto:stewm@canada.com] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:34 PM To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: RE: PowerHouse in the next 3 years? Christina, I would agree. I the past when I called Cognos with a customer number in hand I was embraced with open arms. I'm talking about what about when you do not have a customer number in hand? What if my company is a service company. The real Cognos customer is our client. How easily is it for business information technologists of private service companies? Let's say I get an email in my inbox and it's says have you ever worked with Axiant. Let's says one of the ways that is ever going to happen is you get your hands on it. Let's say that individual wants to gets his hands on it so the next time he can say 'yes, I've started using it'. The other way I guess is he could go take some lessons at Cognos for $1000's. How long with it take for that person (not a company), with no inclination to buy a demo or eval copies of Axiant? 24 hours, 2 weeks,?? How long does it take a college student who is considering trying to enter the work force and starts to see some PowerHouseWeb jobs out there on monsterjobs? How does he get his hands on it? He can start doing Java any day of the week. Recruiters get asked for Axiant resources from time to time. Poor guys have a better chance of winning the lottery sometimes then finding a guy to do an Axiant project. It's not true that this software is easily accessible for those of us in IT (Information Technology). Those of us with Computer Science Degrees and Business Information Technology Diplomas that actually do the work, right. You send the customer your manuals and your evals and it they sit there for the first time they get Tom, Dick, and Harry from Sales, Accounting, and the warehouse to come over and try it out. Then maybe stick it on a shelf in their office with the other evals and pretend they know something about software. I've been places with they have bookkeepers programming in PowerHouse. Try explain to them why they should use a Choose instead of a Select. Good luck. Try putting your product in the hands of Information Technologists with training and the ability to learn and know the concepts required to make real use of your ADT product. Then MAYBE the customer might want to go to Axiant if they knew there were some people out there with a solid computer science education that know Axiant and could design reliable business applications. Maybe though, if all that did happen...then your customers wouldn't be forced to call Cognos and have to pay one of your consultants to come out and do the job for double the rate the rest us poor IT guys would charge. Let's face it who would want to haggle with Java to write business applications when they could use PowerHouse Web. If I had to sit there and start hammering out 200 lines of Java to do some that would take 20 seconds in PowerHouse I'd be asking myself why? Appets and servets using Java fine. The application side of things, PowerHouseWeb would rule. Thing is noone with a computer science background knows PowerHouseWEB from a hole in the ground nor will most of them ever get a chance to try it. Mark Hi Mark, I am trying to understand why you have stated that it is difficult to get a demo copy of our software. All a company has to do is ask for a demo copy and we are more than happy to provide one. What was your experience? Regards, Hasse ADT North American Technical Manager COGNOS CORPORATION christina.hasse@cognos.com 425 N. Martingale Road, Suite 600 Schaumburg, IL 60173 Office: 847 - 285 - 2905 Cell: 847 - 269 - 1909 (new) Fax: 847 - 240 - 0252 -----Original Message----- From: stewm@canada.com [mailto:stewm@canada.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:48 AM To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: PowerHouse in the next 3 years? Bob B., it wouldn't hurt to let the masses try out the products at least. Trying to get a demo copy of Axiant, PowerHouse Web is like trying to find out how they got the caramel in the Caramilk Bar with you guys. It wouldn't hurt to make the products more out there to the public (downloadable perhaps). I have Java on my machine at home for free. Got it from Sun. Was able to dive right in to Java. Imagine if is was that easy for the masses to dive right into PowerHouse Web. Mark Stewart Windsor, Ontario Berry, Robert Bob.Berry@Cognos.com Wed, 7 May 2003 10:41:06 -0400 Previous message: INTERBASE Next message: PowerHouse in the next 3 years? Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C314A6.B13800F0 Content-Type: text/plain;         charset="iso-8859-1" People of the board Free PowerHouse Web.... If PHWeb were included with the next release (8.4) along with AXiant do you believe that your applications would be better served???? Do you see the potential for migrating existing applications to the web???? to Unix???? Would IT directors embrace this technology??? Do you think that there is a need for PH Linux??? Do you need Itanium support??? Are you prepared to show cost savings, manhour reductions, increased productivity etc etc ?? If so .........please reply..... Bob Consultants Club Corp. Quote for the Day: Live by the sword, die by the sword. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error or are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disseminate or distribute it; do not open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank you. Consultants Club Corp. Quote for the Day: Live by the sword, die by the sword. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. From JMBackus@TechGroupMD.com Thu May 8 19:52:51 2003 From: JMBackus@TechGroupMD.com (Jonathan M. Backus) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:52:51 -0400 Subject: Questionaire results In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007701c31593$0a9664b0$1713200a@Laptop> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C31571.8384C4B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Conrad, Can you tell us were Cognos stands on supporting a 'PA-RISC' emulator that would allow the "true" MPE operating system, complete with Image and all other sub-systems, to continue to run on non-HP3000 hardware? Thanx, Jon Backus -----Original Message----- From: powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu] On Behalf Of Whittall, Conrad Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 12:47 PM To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' Subject: RE: Questionaire results HP Eloquence is an HP IMAGE "workalike" (the network DBMS supplied with HP3000 servers), and so is only really of interest to those who might be migrating PowerHouse application from MPE to HP-UX or Windows and who don't want to migrate to a relational database such as Oracle, DB2, or SQL Server at the same time. Best regards, Conrad -----Original Message----- From: Darren Reely [mailto:darren.reely@latticesemi.com] Sent: 8 May 2003 12:27 Cc: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' Subject: Re: Questionaire results Berry, Robert wrote: > We hope to have a beta for Eloquence in the summer, probably August. > What is Eloquence and does it matter to Powerhouse developers? = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error or are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disseminate or distribute it; do not open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank you. ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C31571.8384C4B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Conrad,

    Can you tell us were Cognos stands on = supporting a=20 'PA-RISC' emulator that would allow the "true" MPE operating system, = complete=20 with Image and all other sub-systems, to continue to run on non-HP3000=20 hardware?

Thanx,
    Jon Backus =

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu] = On=20 Behalf Of Whittall, Conrad
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 = 12:47=20 PM
To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu'
Subject: RE: = Questionaire=20 results

HP Eloquence is an HP IMAGE "workalike" (the network = DBMS=20 supplied with HP3000 servers), and so is only really of interest to = those who=20 might be migrating PowerHouse application from MPE to HP-UX or Windows = and who=20 don't want to migrate to a relational database such as Oracle, DB2, or = SQL=20 Server at the same time.

Best regards,
Conrad

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 Darren Reely [mailto:darren.reely@lattices= emi.com]=20
Sent: 8 May 2003 12:27
Cc:=20 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu'
Subject: Re: = Questionaire=20 results

Berry, Robert wrote:

> We hope to have a beta for Eloquence in the = summer,=20 probably August.
>
What is=20 Eloquence and does it matter to Powerhouse developers?

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This message may contain privileged and/or = confidential=20 information. If you have received this e-mail in error or are = not the=20 intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disseminate or distribute = it; do=20 not open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system and = notify=20 the sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank=20 you.
------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C31571.8384C4B0-- From dennis@dhassell.com Thu May 8 21:21:00 2003 From: dennis@dhassell.com (Dennis Hassell) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 16:21:00 -0400 Subject: Questionnaire results In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004101c3159f$57a21810$800101df@DHA05> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C3157D.D0907810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob, Thanks for your candid response to these questions. I have one statement and one question. The statement is regarding "the test of time". converted a system for a client from RPG to PH in 1989 - right at the time of the Loma Prieta earthquake in California. I just called the manager and the basics of the system are still in use and being maintained today. And it's a government application with many tax and fee changes since then. The question is what about ADT advertising? I'm not seeing it, especially compared to BI advertising. I lied - I have a second question - a repeat of a previous one that I have not seen a response to yet - what is the top and bottom line contribution of the ADT business to Cognos overall? Sales and net. Is that figure available? Dennis Hassell Dennis Hassell and Associates (941) 746-4919 (941) 224-3981 - cell -----Original Message----- From: powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu] On Behalf Of Berry, Robert Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:22 PM To: 'Oran Shapitka'; Berry, Robert; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: RE: Questionnaire results Oran, Let me first say that I'm open to the enhancement of the ADT products...However, I'm not responsible for the enhancements. Second, I'm extremely committed to the the ADT product line but more importantly I'm committed to my customer base. I've been with Cognos for over 14 years and have seen the company become one of the strongest reporting tool companies in the world. The peak in ADT growth came between 1998 and 2000. This was due to the Y2K issues that gripped us all. For the past three years revenues have declined but to a level that if Y2K hadn't occurred we would have been rather consistent in our performance. The state of the ADT base today is similar to the Y2K situation. HP has announced the discontinuance of the 3000 line and there customer base must decide which way they are going to turn. Stay on IX...go to UX...or ????? As I stated in my "Questionnaire Results" email, "Cognos continues to support and enhance the ADT line of products as you saw with the release schedule." The FUD (Fear Uncertainty Doubt) is as prominent today as it was back in the late nineties with the Y2K issue. I have seen a commitment to PowerHouse over the past few years growing. For the past thirty years developers like yourself have written applications that have withstood the test of time. Corporations are beginning to look for low cost alternatives, now more than ever. What they don't realize is that it's been working for them for a number of years and continues to produce quality results at a very low cost. Only minimal maintenance is required, larger servers to handle more data and an application that still continues to handle all that is thrown at it with n'er a complaint. As far as licensing activity is concerned...I'm not a liberty to give out specific numbers ...However I can assure you that the license transaction level for both North America and the rest of the world still remains strong. As well as the number of customers that maintain support for there PowerHouse licenses. As many people have complained about the pricing of Cognos ADT products you must also understand that the price of a Powerhouse license has declined over 70% in the past few years. We chose to reduce prices to maintain and expand our customer base. With products such as PHWeb and AXiant we feel that our customer base now has necessary tools to move forward. New and exciting success stories are available on the PowerHouse website. Please review what customers are doing with low cost and high productivity tools from Cognos. I hope this answers your questions Oran and enlightens the rest of the Cognos PowerHouse Community. Yours in ADT Bob Berry -----Original Message----- From: Oran Shapitka [mailto:oran@intertechsystems.com] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:19 PM To: Berry, Robert; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: RE: Questionaire results Bob, Seeing as you are open to enhancing the ADT products, and are demonstrating a commitment to ADT from Cognos, maybe you could share what type of licensing activity you see with the ADT products. It seems that you believe there is a strong opportunity for ADT to grow. Maybe we have the wrong perception that the product is dying.? Oran Shapitka, I.S.P. Intertech Business Systems, Inc. 1100 Empire Building 10080 Jasper Ave Edmonton, AB T5J 1V9 Canada Email: orshapitka@wsiconsultants.com Voice: (780) 413-0400 Fax: (780) 413-0398 www.intertechsavant.com -----Original Message----- From: powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu]On Behalf Of Berry, Robert Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 9:44 AM To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' Subject: Questionaire results Good Day to all The results of my email questionaire follow below. However, I must first comment on the appreciation of all those who chose to respond and speak their frank and honest opinions, both for and against PowerHouse and Cognos. Please be assured that you have been heard. As for the results... 1.) Include PHWeb and AXiant in the box for the 8.4 release?? A resounding "YES" The idea has been discussed and I believe this will happen. 2.) Migrating to Unix or Web?? "YES" 3.) Would IT directors embrace this technology?? FREE will always be embraced!!! 4.) Is there as a need for PH Linux?? "YES" 5.) Do you need Itanium support?? In Europe it appears to be more prominent. In North America the results are mixed. Cognos is reviewing Itanium currently. 6.) Are you willing to show cost savings, manhour reductions, increased productivity, etc. etc?? "YES" I would like to address some of the critics that seem to feel that the ADT Development is not keeping up with the demands of the installed base. Please review the release of products and the dates that we expect to release back to the base. This is the work of a very talented team that continues to produce great software. PowerHouse 8.4xC, PowerHouse Web 2.4xC, Axiant 3.4 - On-Request Release. NT and UNIX (HP-UX, AIX, Solaris) should be available by the end of May. OpenVMS, MPE/iX, UNIX (Tru64) about 2 months later, say July. We hope to have a beta for Eloquence in the summer, probably August. PowerHouse 8.4xD, PowerHouse Web 2.4xD, Axiant 3.4 (maybe D) - Back-to-Base Will include Eloquence on NT and HP-UX plus performance improvements NT and UNIX (HP-UX, AIX, Solaris) maybe October OpenVMS, MPE/iX, UNIX (Tru64) December If you should have any questions, please feel free to contact me and I'd be happy to discuss any of your concerns. Robert Berry Director Customer Operations Phone 781-313-2270 Email bob.berry@cognos.com This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have recieved this e-mail in error or are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disseminate or distribute it; do no open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank you. This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. 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Bob,

Thanks=20 for your candid response to these questions. I have one statement and = one=20 question. The statement is regarding "the test of time". converted a = system for=20 a client from RPG to PH in 1989 - right at the time of the Loma Prieta=20 earthquake in California. I just called the manager and the basics of = the system=20 are still in use and being maintained today. And it's a government = application=20 with many tax and fee changes since then.

The=20 question is what about ADT advertising? I'm not seeing it, especially = compared=20 to BI advertising.

I lied=20 - I have a second question - a repeat of a previous one that I have not = seen a=20 response to yet - what is the top and bottom line contribution of the = ADT=20 business to Cognos overall? Sales and net. Is that figure=20 available?

Dennis = Hassell=20
Dennis Hassell and=20 Associates
(941)=20 746-4919
(941)=20 224-3981 - cell

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu] = On=20 Behalf Of Berry, Robert
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 = 2:22=20 PM
To: 'Oran Shapitka'; Berry, Robert;=20 powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: Questionnaire=20 results

Oran,

Let=20 me first say that I'm open to the enhancement of the ADT = products...However,=20 I'm not responsible for the enhancements. Second, I'm extremely=20 committed to the the ADT product line but more importantly I'm = committed to my=20 customer base.

I've=20 been with Cognos for over 14 years and have seen the company become = one of the=20 strongest reporting tool companies in the world. The peak in ADT = growth=20 came between 1998 and 2000. This was due to the Y2K issues that = gripped=20 us all. For the past three years revenues have declined but to a = level=20 that if Y2K hadn't occurred we would have been rather consistent in = our=20 performance.

The=20 state of the ADT base today is similar to the Y2K situation. HP = has=20 announced the discontinuance of the 3000 line and there customer base = must=20 decide which way they are going to turn. Stay on IX...go to = UX...or=20 ?????    As I stated in my "Questionnaire Results" = email,=20 "Cognos continues to support and enhance the ADT line of products as = you saw=20 with the release schedule."

The=20 FUD (Fear Uncertainty Doubt) is as prominent today as it was back in = the late=20 nineties with the Y2K issue. I have seen a commitment to = PowerHouse over=20 the past few years growing. For the past thirty years developers = like=20 yourself have written applications that have withstood the test of = time. =20 Corporations are beginning to look for low cost alternatives, now more = than=20 ever.  What they don't realize is that it's been = working for=20 them for a number of years and continues to produce quality = results at a=20 very low cost. Only minimal maintenance is required, larger = servers=20 to handle more data and an application that still continues = to=20 handle all that is thrown at it with n'er a=20 complaint.

As=20 far as licensing activity is concerned...I'm not a liberty to give out = specific numbers ...However I can assure you that the license = transaction=20 level for both North America and the rest of the world still = remains=20 strong. As well as the number of customers that maintain support = for=20 there PowerHouse licenses.

As=20 many people have complained about the pricing of Cognos ADT products = you must=20 also understand that the price of a Powerhouse license has declined = over 70%=20 in the past few years. We chose to reduce prices to maintain and = expand=20 our customer base. With products such as PHWeb and AXiant we = feel that=20 our customer base now has necessary tools to move forward. New = and=20 exciting success stories are available on the PowerHouse = website. Please=20 review what customers are doing with low cost and high productivity = tools from=20 Cognos.

I=20 hope this answers your questions Oran and enlightens the rest of the=20 Cognos PowerHouse Community.

Yours in ADT

Bob=20 Berry

-----Original Message-----
From: Oran Shapitka=20 [mailto:oran@intertechsystems.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 08, = 2003=20 1:19 PM
To: Berry, Robert;=20 powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: Questionaire=20 results

Bob,

Seeing as you are open to = enhancing the ADT=20 products, and are demonstrating a commitment to ADT from = Cognos, maybe you could share what = type of=20 licensing activity you see with the ADT = products.  It seems that you believe there is a = strong=20 opportunity for ADT to grow. Maybe we have the wrong = perception=20 that the product is dying.?

Oran Shapitka, = I.S.P.=20

Intertech Business Systems, = Inc.=20
1100 Empire Building
10080 Jasper = Ave
Edmonton, AB T5J 1V9    = Canada

Email: orshapitka@wsiconsultants.com =

Voice: (780) 413-0400 =
Fax:    (780) 413-0398 =

www.intertechsavant.com=20

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu = [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu]On=20 Behalf Of Berry, Robert
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 = 9:44=20 AM
To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu'
Subject: = Questionaire=20 results

Good Day to all

The results of my email questionaire follow = below. =20 However, I must first comment on the appreciation of all those who = chose to=20 respond and speak their frank and honest opinions, both for and = against=20 PowerHouse and Cognos. Please be assured that you have been=20 heard.

As for the results...

1.) Include PHWeb and AXiant in the box for the = 8.4=20 release??

        A = resounding=20 "YES"
The idea has been discussed and I = believe this=20 will happen.

2.) Migrating to Unix or Web??

        "YES"

3.) Would IT directors embrace this = technology??=20
       =20
        FREE = will always=20 be embraced!!!

4.) Is there as a need for PH Linux??

        "YES"

5.) Do you need Itanium support??

        In = Europe it=20 appears to be more prominent.

        In = North America=20 the results are mixed.

        Cognos = is=20 reviewing Itanium currently.

6.) Are you willing to show cost savings, manhour=20 reductions, increased productivity, etc. etc??

        "YES"

I would like to address some of the critics that = seem to=20 feel that the ADT Development is not keeping up with the demands of = the=20 installed base. Please review the release of products and the = dates=20 that we expect to release back to the base. This is the work = of a very=20 talented team that continues to produce great software.

PowerHouse 8.4xC, PowerHouse Web 2.4xC, Axiant 3.4 = -=20 On-Request Release.

NT and UNIX (HP-UX, AIX, Solaris) should be = available by the=20 end of May.

OpenVMS, MPE/iX, UNIX (Tru64) about 2 months = later, say=20 July.

We hope to have a beta for Eloquence in the = summer, probably=20 August.

PowerHouse 8.4xD, PowerHouse Web 2.4xD, Axiant 3.4 = (maybe D)=20 - Back-to-Base
Will include Eloquence on = NT and=20 HP-UX plus performance improvements

NT and UNIX (HP-UX, AIX, Solaris) maybe = October =20

OpenVMS, MPE/iX, UNIX (Tru64) December

If you should have any questions, please feel free = to=20 contact me and I'd be happy to discuss any of your concerns. =

Robert Berry
Director = Customer=20 Operations
Phone   = 781-313-2270=20
Email bob.berry@cognos.com

This message may contain privileged and/or = confidential=20 information. If you have recieved this e-mail in error or are = not the=20 intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disseminate or distribute = it; do=20 no open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system and = notify=20 the sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank=20 you.

This message may contain privileged = and/or=20 confidential information. If you have recieved this e-mail in error or = are not=20 the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disseminate or = distribute it;=20 do no open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system and = notify=20 the sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank=20 you.
------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C3157D.D0907810-- From stewm@canada.com Thu May 8 23:34:13 2003 From: stewm@canada.com (stewm@canada.com) Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 15:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <20030508153415.11774.h002.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net> If my memory is correct...Ron Zambonini openly announced that figure to the audience at the 1998 conference in Atlanta. I could be mistaken it has been a while but at that time, Dennis, I think Ron said up on stage around $76million for ADT that year. Also at that time he talked about a strong commitment by Cognos to the product line. Mark I lied - I have a second question - a repeat of a previous one that I have not seen a response to yet - what is the top and bottom line contribution of the ADT business to Cognos overall? Sales and net. Is that figure available? Dennis Hassell Dennis Hassell and Associates (941) 746-4919 (941) 224-3981 - cell Consultants Club Corp. Quote for the Day: Live by the sword, die by the sword. From darren.reely@latticesemi.com Thu May 8 23:58:25 2003 From: darren.reely@latticesemi.com (Darren Reely) Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 15:58:25 -0700 Subject: Questionnaire results References: <20030508153415.11774.h002.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <3EBAE111.1040705@latticesemi.com> That data is about 5 years old. Something more current would be nice. Like, last quarter, what did the BI tools bring in, and what did the ADT tools bring in? And my favorite for this discussion, advertising, what were the two budgets? Should I 'assume' zero for ADT, as I've never noticed any ads for it. Darren stewm@canada.com wrote: >If my memory is correct...Ron Zambonini openly >announced that figure to the audience at the 1998 >conference in Atlanta. I could be mistaken it has been >a while but at that time, Dennis, I think Ron said up >on stage around $76million for ADT that year. Also at >that time he talked about a strong commitment by Cognos >to the product line. > >Mark > >I lied - I have a second question - a repeat of a >previous one that I >have not seen a response to yet - what is the top and >bottom line >contribution of the ADT business to Cognos overall? >Sales and net. Is >that figure available? > > From Conrad.Whittall@Cognos.COM Fri May 9 00:28:09 2003 From: Conrad.Whittall@Cognos.COM (Whittall, Conrad) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 19:28:09 -0400 Subject: PA-RISC Emulator (WAS: Questionnaire results) Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C315B9.7C0D8620 Content-Type: text/plain Hello Jon, Unfortunately I've not been involved with the management of the ADT business for a couple of years now (although I keep my hand in with designing and building new internal -- and hopefully external -- PHWeb apps from time to time). Therefore the question of whether Cognos will consider supporting the ADT products on a PA-RISC emulator is something that I can't really comment on. Perhaps someone else might be able to let us know where this topic currently stands. Best regards, Conrad Conrad Whittall Solutions Architect, Global Customer Services Cognos Incorporated, 3755 Riverside Drive, Ottawa, Ontario, K1G 4K9, Canada -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan M. Backus [mailto:JMBackus@TechGroupMD.com] Sent: 8 May 2003 14:53 To: 'Whittall, Conrad'; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: RE: Questionaire results Conrad, Can you tell us were Cognos stands on supporting a 'PA-RISC' emulator that would allow the "true" MPE operating system, complete with Image and all other sub-systems, to continue to run on non-HP3000 hardware? Thanx, Jon Backus This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error or are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disseminate or distribute it; do not open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C315B9.7C0D8620 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hello=20 Jon,

Unfortunately I've=20 not been involved with the management of the ADT business for a couple = of years=20 now (although I keep my hand in with designing and building new = internal -- and=20 hopefully external -- PHWeb apps from time to time). Therefore=20 the=20 question of whether Cognos will consider supporting the ADT products on = a=20 PA-RISC emulator is something that I can't really comment on. Perhaps = someone=20 else might be able to let us know where this topic currently=20 stands.

Best=20 regards,
Conrad

Conrad = Whittall=20
Solutions Architect, = Global=20 Customer Services
Cognos=20 Incorporated, 3755 Riverside Drive, Ottawa, Ontario, K1G 4K9,=20 Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan M. Backus=20 [mailto:JMBackus@TechGroupMD.com]
Sent: 8 May 2003 = 14:53
To:=20 'Whittall, Conrad'; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: = Questionaire=20 results

Conrad,

    Can you tell us were Cognos stands on = supporting a=20 'PA-RISC' emulator that would allow the "true" MPE operating system, = complete=20 with Image and all other sub-systems, to continue to run on non-HP3000=20 hardware?

Thanx,
    Jon = Backus

<snip>

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C315B9.7C0D8620-- From stewm@canada.com Fri May 9 00:29:11 2003 From: stewm@canada.com (stewm@canada.com) Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 16:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Questionnaire results Message-ID: <20030508162914.14753.h001.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net> Darren, might be better to direct your question at Cognos investor relations. I don't know if any of those types are on this listserv. Mark That data is about 5 years old. Something more current would be nice. Like, last quarter, what did the BI tools bring in, and what did the ADT tools bring in? And my favorite for this discussion, advertising, what were the two budgets? Should I 'assume' zero for ADT, as I've never noticed any ads for it. Darren Consultants Club Corp. Quote for the Day: Live by the sword, die by the sword. From Allen.Jones@vpgroup.com Fri May 9 00:56:14 2003 From: Allen.Jones@vpgroup.com (Jones Allen) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 16:56:14 -0700 Subject: Questionnaire results Message-ID: I found the relevant information at www.cognos.com/company/investor/ar/index.html where there is a downloadable copy of the 2002 annual report. You have to click on "View the Cognos Annual Report 2002", then click on the downloads tab at the top of the javascript window. Select the "Complete Annual Report (1,217 Kb)" It's in PDF format, but if you followed along this far, use the Adobe reader to search for "application development tool" and "powerhouse". There are several references for each. -----Original Message----- From: stewm@canada.com [mailto:stewm@canada.com] Sent: May 8, 2003 4:29 PM To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: Questionnaire results Darren, might be better to direct your question at Cognos investor relations. I don't know if any of those types are on this listserv. Mark That data is about 5 years old. Something more current would be nice. Like, last quarter, what did the BI tools bring in, and what did the ADT tools bring in? And my favorite for this discussion, advertising, what were the two budgets? Should I 'assume' zero for ADT, as I've never noticed any ads for it. Darren Consultants Club Corp. Quote for the Day: Live by the sword, die by the sword. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. From Burton.Leathers@Cognos.COM Fri May 9 01:27:53 2003 From: Burton.Leathers@Cognos.COM (Leathers, Burton) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 20:27:53 -0400 Subject: PA-RISC Emulator (WAS: Questionnaire results) Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C315C1.D4502740 Content-Type: text/plain Jon, First, allow me to introduce myself. I am Burton Leathers and have recently joined the ADT team as architect. Since you ask a question about a hypothetical matter, it warrants a hypothetical answer. A PA-RISC emulator must, to deserve the name, be indistinguishable from a PA-RISC system. It should, therefore, be possible to run ADT products without any change on any such emulator. The practical question is whether Cognos would support a system used in such a setting. That would depend very much upon whether the emulator was certified as being valid. So long as Cognos supports the ADT products on a PA-RISC system then users should be able to use an emulator. (I pointedly ignore details such as licensing.) However, any problem reported on an emulator would also have to be reproducible on a PA-RISC system. That said, if there turns out to be a significant uptake of PA-RISC emulation by existing customers, there would have to be a reconsideration of whether "non-reproducible" bugs would be addressed, i.e. whether the emulator would be treated as a separate, supported platform. Let's wait to see how the future unfolds. Burton Leathers Software Architect Cognos Incorporated -----Original Message----- From: Whittall, Conrad [mailto:Conrad.Whittall@cognos.com] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:28 PM To: 'JMBackus@TechGroupMD.com'; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: PA-RISC Emulator (WAS: Questionnaire results) Hello Jon, Unfortunately I've not been involved with the management of the ADT business for a couple of years now (although I keep my hand in with designing and building new internal -- and hopefully external -- PHWeb apps from time to time). Therefore the question of whether Cognos will consider supporting the ADT products on a PA-RISC emulator is something that I can't really comment on. Perhaps someone else might be able to let us know where this topic currently stands. Best regards, Conrad Conrad Whittall Solutions Architect, Global Customer Services Cognos Incorporated, 3755 Riverside Drive, Ottawa, Ontario, K1G 4K9, Canada -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan M. Backus [mailto:JMBackus@TechGroupMD.com] Sent: 8 May 2003 14:53 To: 'Whittall, Conrad'; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: RE: Questionaire results Conrad, Can you tell us were Cognos stands on supporting a 'PA-RISC' emulator that would allow the "true" MPE operating system, complete with Image and all other sub-systems, to continue to run on non-HP3000 hardware? Thanx, Jon Backus This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error or are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disseminate or distribute it; do not open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank you. This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. 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Jon,

First, allow me to introduce myself. I am Burton Leathers and have recently joined the ADT team as architect.

Since you ask a question about a hypothetical matter, it warrants a hypothetical answer. A PA-RISC emulator must, to deserve the name, be indistinguishable from a PA-RISC system. It should, therefore, be possible to run ADT products without any change on any such emulator.

The practical question is whether Cognos would support a system used in such a setting. That would depend very much upon whether the emulator was certified as being valid. So long as Cognos supports the ADT products on a PA-RISC system then users should be able to use an emulator. (I pointedly ignore details such as licensing.) However, any problem reported on an emulator would also have to be reproducible on a PA-RISC system.

That said, if there turns out to be a significant uptake of PA-RISC emulation by existing customers, there would have to be a reconsideration of whether "non-reproducible" bugs would be addressed, i.e. whether the emulator would be treated as a separate, supported platform. Let's wait to see how the future unfolds.

Burton Leathers
Software Architect
Cognos Incorporated

-----Original Message-----
From: Whittall, Conrad [mailto:Conrad.Whittall@cognos.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:28 PM
To: 'JMBackus@TechGroupMD.com'; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: PA-RISC Emulator (WAS: Questionnaire results)

Hello Jon,

Unfortunately I've not been involved with the management of the ADT business for a couple of years now (although I keep my hand in with designing and building new internal -- and hopefully external -- PHWeb apps from time to time). Therefore the question of whether Cognos will consider supporting the ADT products on a PA-RISC emulator is something that I can't really comment on. Perhaps someone else might be able to let us know where this topic currently stands.

Best regards,
Conrad

Conrad Whittall
Solutions Architect, Global Customer Services
Cognos Incorporated, 3755 Riverside Drive, Ottawa, Ontario, K1G 4K9, Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan M. Backus [mailto:JMBackus@TechGroupMD.com]
Sent: 8 May 2003 14:53
To: 'Whittall, Conrad'; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: Questionaire results

Conrad,

    Can you tell us were Cognos stands on supporting a 'PA-RISC' emulator that would allow the "true" MPE operating system, complete with Image and all other sub-systems, to continue to run on non-HP3000 hardware?

Thanx,
    Jon Backus

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C315C1.D4502740-- From darren.reely@latticesemi.com Fri May 9 01:45:32 2003 From: darren.reely@latticesemi.com (Darren Reely) Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 17:45:32 -0700 Subject: PowerHouse in the next 3 years? References: <20030508113431.24323.h011.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <3EBAFA2C.30207@latticesemi.com> What I've never seen is the sale of Axiant outside of Cognos or its Consultant resellers. Why isn't Axiant competing on the same retail shelves as Borland and MS development products. Out of curiosity, I did a search on Amazon and got back; 'No matches for "Axiant". Below are matches for "giant".' By the way, what does Axiant cost? The following are some issues I see with the Cognos web site. The reason I mention this is because new interested people may not get far at the Cognos site. The ADT message need to be brought forward a bit. The Product menu item on the front Cognos page needs an adjustment. It looks like this... Products -- Overview -- Enterprise Planning -- Enterprise Scorecarding -- Enterprise Business Intelligence Where is "Enterprise Application Development Tools"? The Powerhouse page you eventually find is sparse compared to Axiant and Powerhouse Web. You learn more about Powerhouse on these last two pages! The main page is nearly useless due to lack of content. Hell, this link, http://www.cognos.com/products/powerhouse/ph_brochure.pdf, is on the PHWeb page but not on the Powerhouse page. I eventually found it by drilling down to the Documentation page. Perhaps some PH awards should be referenced in the PH page as the BI page has some. Here is an interesting statement from an undated Cognos document; "PowerHouse surpasses the $1 billion life-to-date mark". Interesting. Must be a few people using the product then. I think that main Powerhouse page needs some filling in. It doesn't say anything interesting except to specific _current_ customers. Darren stewm@canada.com wrote: >Christina, > >I would agree. I the past when I called Cognos with a >customer number in hand I was embraced with open arms. >I'm talking about what about when you do not have a >customer number in hand? > >What if my company is a service company. The real >Cognos customer is our client. How easily is it for >business information technologists of private service >companies? Let's say I get an email in my inbox and >it's says have you ever worked with Axiant. Let's says >one of the ways that is ever going to happen is you get >your hands on it. Let's say that individual wants to >gets his hands on it so the next time he can say 'yes, >I've started using it'. The other way I guess is he >could go take some lessons at Cognos for $1000's. > > [a bunch of stuff in the middle deleted] >Thing is noone with a computer science background knows >PowerHouseWEB from a hole in the ground nor will most >of them ever get a chance to try it. > >Mark > From darren.reely@latticesemi.com Fri May 9 01:48:12 2003 From: darren.reely@latticesemi.com (Darren Reely) Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 17:48:12 -0700 Subject: Questionnaire results References: Message-ID: <3EBAFACC.4000206@latticesemi.com> Thanks for the link. It makes for an interesting read. I didn't notice anything regarding advertising budgets. Jones Allen wrote: >I found the relevant information at >www.cognos.com/company/investor/ar/index.html where there is a downloadable >copy of the 2002 annual report. You have to click on "View the Cognos Annual >Report 2002", then click on the downloads tab at the top of the javascript >window. Select the "Complete Annual Report (1,217 Kb)" It's in PDF format, >but if you followed along this far, use the Adobe reader to search for >"application development tool" and "powerhouse". There are several >references for each. > From mbigley@cfl.rr.com Fri May 9 02:00:13 2003 From: mbigley@cfl.rr.com (Mike and Joanne Bigley) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 21:00:13 -0400 Subject: Powerhouse in 3 years Message-ID: I say this half tongue-in-cheek, but by the large volume of response from various people at Cognos on this topic, maybe things are a little slow there - otherwise they wouldn't have so much time to be e-mailing the list. Don't get me wrong, I love Powerhouse too, and am saddened by the exodus to all that new-n-shiny stuff everyone's been talking about. It may be new and shiny, but it sure isn't better. Not by a long shot. Mike in Florida From marc.vandemeerssche@nationalesuisse.be Fri May 9 12:59:14 2003 From: marc.vandemeerssche@nationalesuisse.be (VAN DE MEERSSCHE Marc) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:59:14 +0200 Subject: REMOTE_USER in PHWeb Message-ID: Hi all, We use the web server authentication method to check the login of our users on a small intranet. Is it possible to access the user_id from the authentication in a qdesign screen to perform some tests. In the documentation there talking about REMOTE_USER environment variable, but how to get it ? Note: the Powerhouse Web-tool runs on a NT 4 machine with IIS 3. Thanks, Marc From chris.sharman@ccagroup.co.uk Fri May 9 13:52:16 2003 From: chris.sharman@ccagroup.co.uk (Chris Sharman) Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 13:52:16 +0100 Subject: REMOTE_USER in PHWeb In-Reply-To: <200305091315474127872@equus.ccagroup.co.uk> References: <200305091315474127872@equus.ccagroup.co.uk> Message-ID: <3EBBA480.5040304@ccagroup.co.uk> VAN DE MEERSSCHE Marc wrote: > Hi all, > > > We use the web server authentication method to check the login of our users > on a small intranet. > > Is it possible to access the user_id from the authentication in a qdesign > screen to perform some tests. > In the documentation there talking about REMOTE_USER environment variable, > but how to get it ? > > Note: the Powerhouse Web-tool runs on a NT 4 machine with IIS 3. getsystemval("REMOTE_USER") On VMS it would be getsystemval("WWW_REMOTE_USER",symbol) but I guess environment variable stuff varies across platforms, and so might the prefix. 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From Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM Fri May 9 14:04:10 2003 From: Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM (Deskin, Bob) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 09:04:10 -0400 Subject: REMOTE_USER in PHWeb Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3162B.7B79F1E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The REMOTE_USER environment variable is set by the Web Server, not by PH Web. It is the username entered in the authentication prompt. It is probably not available directly to PH Web. However, the authenticated user name is available in the WEBLOGONID function, assuming that the user was authenticated. Take a look at the security chapter of the PH Web manual. Some versions say LOGONID but that is incorrect. The function is WEBLOGONID. Bob Deskin Product Manager, Application Development Tools, Cognos Inc. bob.deskin@cognos.com (613) 738-1338 ext 7268 FAX: (613) 727-1178 3755 Riverside Drive P.O. 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The REMOTE_USER environment variable is set by the = Web Server, not by PH Web. It is the username entered in the = authentication prompt. It is probably not available directly to PH Web. = However, the authenticated user name is available in the WEBLOGONID = function, assuming that the user was authenticated. Take a look at the = security chapter of the PH Web manual. Some versions say LOGONID but = that is incorrect. The function is WEBLOGONID.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3162B.7B79F1E0-- From kaz_dsouza@yahoo.com Fri May 9 14:30:39 2003 From: kaz_dsouza@yahoo.com (karen d'souza) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 06:30:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RELATIVE file organization In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030509133039.71589.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> --0-266773723-1052487039=:71363 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does Powerhouse support relative file organization ... Or do i need to change ti to sequential Regards Karen --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. --0-266773723-1052487039=:71363 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Does Powerhouse support relative file organization ... Or do i need to change ti to sequential

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The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. --0-266773723-1052487039=:71363-- From kaz_dsouza@yahoo.com Fri May 9 14:47:19 2003 From: kaz_dsouza@yahoo.com (karen d'souza) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 06:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RELATIVE file organization In-Reply-To: <20030509133039.71589.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030509134719.67251.qmail@web40506.mail.yahoo.com> --0-162254607-1052488039=:66104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Migration an app to UNIX from VMS ... VMS supports it whereas UNIX does'nt ... Any ideas karen d'souza wrote: Does Powerhouse support relative file organization ... Or do i need to change ti to sequential Regards Karen --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. --0-162254607-1052488039=:66104 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Migration an app to UNIX from VMS ... VMS supports it whereas UNIX does'nt ... Any ideas

karen d'souza <kaz_dsouza@yahoo.com> wrote:

Does Powerhouse support relative file organization ... Or do i need to change ti to sequential

Regards

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The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. --0-162254607-1052488039=:66104-- From Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM Fri May 9 16:27:33 2003 From: Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM (Deskin, Bob) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 11:27:33 -0400 Subject: RELATIVE file organization Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3163F.830CA2E0 Content-Type: text/plain PowerHouse supports relative files on MPE and OpenVMS. Relative files are not available in the Windows NT/2000/XP and UNIX file systems. Note that this support is an operating system issue rather than a PowerHouse issue. Bob Deskin Product Manager, Application Development Tools, Cognos Inc. bob.deskin@cognos.com (613) 738-1338 ext 7268 FAX: (613) 727-1178 3755 Riverside Drive P.O. Box 9707 Stn. T, Ottawa ON K1G 4K9 CANADA -----Original Message----- From: karen d'souza [mailto:kaz_dsouza@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:31 AM To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: RELATIVE file organization Does Powerhouse support relative file organization ... Or do i need to change ti to sequential Regards Karen _____ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error or are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disseminate or distribute it; do not open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3163F.830CA2E0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3163F.830CA2E0-- From Leonard_Berkowitz@harvardpilgrim.org Fri May 9 19:40:49 2003 From: Leonard_Berkowitz@harvardpilgrim.org (Leonard_Berkowitz@harvardpilgrim.org) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:40:49 -0400 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: MPE/iX 6.5 PowerHouse 8.19C Here is a screen error in trying to access an indexed subfile (file code=644; TYP=FAK): MODE:F ACTION:F Mass UnComp Care AAC136K2 05/09/03 OP#: SWM5433 UNCOMPAM.PHCDBASE V 1.0 14:27 R,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,T . Ambulatory & Surgical Center Providers . F,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,G 01 Irs# 02 Provider 03 Op# 04 Ymdtrans Data access error. (UNCOMPAM*01) THE FILE MUST BE LOCKED BEFORE ISSUING THIS INTRINSIC (FSERR 179) We recompiled the screen and the error disappeared. Why is that the case? How could we have avoided the problem in the first place? What intrinsic might require locking in the FIND PROCEDURE? This file is the only file used by this screen. Thanks in advance. -- Leonard S. Berkowitz Perot Health Care Systems (Harvard Pilgrim Health Care account) voice: 617-509-1212 fax: 617-509-1955 pager: 781-226-2431 The information contained in this email message and any attachments may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete the message without saving, copying or disclosing it. Thank you. From dennis@dhassell.com Fri May 9 19:42:35 2003 From: dennis@dhassell.com (Dennis Hassell) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:42:35 -0400 Subject: Questionnaire results In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c3165a$c41c90e0$800101df@DHA05> Thanks for the reference. My perusal of the financials shows that the ADT revenue has decreased from 58Mil FY2000 to 38Mil FY2002, and the comments later said that the trend was expected to continue. As a percentage of the Cognos revenue, It has decreased from 15% to 9.9% to 7.7%, 2000 thru 2002. I didn't see any break out of the bottom line contribution. To that I say "Of course!" If you don't advertise and if you don't mention that there is such a thing as ADT (see the intro paragraph to the financials - BI is highlighted and well promoted for almost a page, but nary a word about ADT. Bob asked me about where to advertise: PHWeb and Axiant could go mainstream in pubs targeted at web developers and their managers - How about 8 hour development cycles instead of 8 days? How about platform neutral apps? How about a business model more in line with the pricing (and volume) of Borland and Microsoft, instead of targeting only the enterprise level of buyers. ADT will get into businesses (and schools) if it can get below the financial radar ($500-900) so a department can buy it with it's discretionary funds, instead of a multi-$$$$ CIO/VP/9-month purchasing cycle. Can Cognos handle 50,000++ small customers? I think the corporate mindset leans toward enterprise and multi-$$$$, but as Microsoft has proven, a few million small customers can also work out pretty well. I think the question is not about where or how to advertise and promote - we all have seen very good BI ads, so we know Cognos can write and target good ads. The question is: Is there a corporate will to increase ADT business, or have the execs written it off as "legacy"? With the neglect of the ADT market over the last years, it will take some catch-up investment and time to see any meaningful results. The ROI is there, but will there be the patience for it to happen? Bob, any comments? Dennis Hassell Dennis Hassell and Associates (941) 746-4919 (941) 224-3981 - cell After the final No, there comes a Yes, and on that Yes the future of the world depends. Wallace Stevens. -----Original Message----- From: powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu] On Behalf Of Jones Allen Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:56 PM To: 'stewm@canada.com'; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: RE: Questionnaire results I found the relevant information at www.cognos.com/company/investor/ar/index.html where there is a downloadable copy of the 2002 annual report. You have to click on "View the Cognos Annual Report 2002", then click on the downloads tab at the top of the javascript window. Select the "Complete Annual Report (1,217 Kb)" It's in PDF format, but if you followed along this far, use the Adobe reader to search for "application development tool" and "powerhouse". There are several references for each. -----Original Message----- From: stewm@canada.com [mailto:stewm@canada.com] Sent: May 8, 2003 4:29 PM To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: Questionnaire results Darren, might be better to direct your question at Cognos investor relations. I don't know if any of those types are on this listserv. Mark That data is about 5 years old. Something more current would be nice. Like, last quarter, what did the BI tools bring in, and what did the ADT tools bring in? And my favorite for this discussion, advertising, what were the two budgets? Should I 'assume' zero for ADT, as I've never noticed any ads for it. Darren Consultants Club Corp. Quote for the Day: Live by the sword, die by the sword. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. From Robert.Edis@blistex.com Fri May 9 20:27:07 2003 From: Robert.Edis@blistex.com (Edis, Robert) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:27:07 -0500 Subject: Questionnaire results Message-ID: <003EC701AC78D5119B180000D1EEC32C012F20B0@BLISTEXEXC> I don't think you can compare the pricing of PowerHouse to Borland or Microsoft. For a start neither of those offer the level of support that comes with Cognos tools. Cognos could of course offer two levels of pricing - one with support and one without (charging $200 bucks a call like Micro$oft does). *But* Micro$oft doesn't make any money on its development tools and doesn't have to. It's financial cream is from Windows and Office (~90% of their respective markets). If Cognos priced PH like VB or C# it would disappear within a couple of years from the market because it would be just a money drain to Cognos. From my understanding Cognos makes virtually nothing on selling the ADT products but derives most of the revenue from ongoing license support. R&D would be drastically cut. Cognos (with our support perhaps) must develop a new model for developing, promoting and selling the ADT tools. It can't be the over priced model like Oracle; it can't be the *cheap* costly model like Microsoft; and it can't be open source (or can it?). So what's left? Let's see some imaginative ideas folks. Facts: 1. Cognos ADT is a great development environment that we all want to see continue 2. Cognos doesn't want to promote its ADT products because BI is where it's at, especially with share holders (who wants to invest in another Borland/Inprise?) 3. The current pricing model discourages potential customers 4. R&D must be maintained to keep the tools relevant 5. Cognos won't spin-off ADT as a separate entity as existing licenses are a good (low cost) revenue stream. 6. Cognos won't go open source through fear of losing control on R&D. (As well as intellectual property issues.) 7. Cognos is a "bottom line" business. I.e. as a publicly traded company if it doesn't make business decisions that are popular with investors it fears a drop in the value of its stock, which of course means certain people high up in Cognos will be less wealthy. It can't make *risky* decisions like Corel did with Linux. So what do we/Cognos do? Blue -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Hassell [mailto:dennis@dhassell.com] Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:43 PM To: 'Jones Allen'; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Cc: stewm@canada.com Subject: RE: Questionnaire results Thanks for the reference. My perusal of the financials shows that the ADT revenue has decreased from 58Mil FY2000 to 38Mil FY2002, and the comments later said that the trend was expected to continue. As a percentage of the Cognos revenue, It has decreased from 15% to 9.9% to 7.7%, 2000 thru 2002. I didn't see any break out of the bottom line contribution. To that I say "Of course!" If you don't advertise and if you don't mention that there is such a thing as ADT (see the intro paragraph to the financials - BI is highlighted and well promoted for almost a page, but nary a word about ADT. Bob asked me about where to advertise: PHWeb and Axiant could go mainstream in pubs targeted at web developers and their managers - How about 8 hour development cycles instead of 8 days? How about platform neutral apps? How about a business model more in line with the pricing (and volume) of Borland and Microsoft, instead of targeting only the enterprise level of buyers. ADT will get into businesses (and schools) if it can get below the financial radar ($500-900) so a department can buy it with it's discretionary funds, instead of a multi-$$$$ CIO/VP/9-month purchasing cycle. Can Cognos handle 50,000++ small customers? I think the corporate mindset leans toward enterprise and multi-$$$$, but as Microsoft has proven, a few million small customers can also work out pretty well. I think the question is not about where or how to advertise and promote - we all have seen very good BI ads, so we know Cognos can write and target good ads. The question is: Is there a corporate will to increase ADT business, or have the execs written it off as "legacy"? With the neglect of the ADT market over the last years, it will take some catch-up investment and time to see any meaningful results. The ROI is there, but will there be the patience for it to happen? Bob, any comments? Dennis Hassell Dennis Hassell and Associates (941) 746-4919 (941) 224-3981 - cell After the final No, there comes a Yes, and on that Yes the future of the world depends. Wallace Stevens. -----Original Message----- From: powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu] On Behalf Of Jones Allen Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:56 PM To: 'stewm@canada.com'; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: RE: Questionnaire results I found the relevant information at www.cognos.com/company/investor/ar/index.html where there is a downloadable copy of the 2002 annual report. You have to click on "View the Cognos Annual Report 2002", then click on the downloads tab at the top of the javascript window. Select the "Complete Annual Report (1,217 Kb)" It's in PDF format, but if you followed along this far, use the Adobe reader to search for "application development tool" and "powerhouse". There are several references for each. -----Original Message----- From: stewm@canada.com [mailto:stewm@canada.com] Sent: May 8, 2003 4:29 PM To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: Questionnaire results Darren, might be better to direct your question at Cognos investor relations. I don't know if any of those types are on this listserv. Mark That data is about 5 years old. Something more current would be nice. Like, last quarter, what did the BI tools bring in, and what did the ADT tools bring in? And my favorite for this discussion, advertising, what were the two budgets? Should I 'assume' zero for ADT, as I've never noticed any ads for it. Darren Consultants Club Corp. 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From shediac92@hotmail.com Fri May 9 20:41:13 2003 From: shediac92@hotmail.com (Peter Bateman) Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 16:41:13 -0300 Subject: RELATIVE file organization Message-ID: Karen: You could reserve the first two characters as a RECORD_TYPE. In PDL apply the select option of the ITEM statement on the RECORD_TYPE. SELECT value Assigns a selection value that identifies a particular record-structure in a file that contains more than one record-structure. You must specify a value that's consistent with the type and size of the element. You can declare a selection value for more than one item in a record-structure. Items that are defined with SELECT values serve as identifiers for coded record-structures. When the record-structure is accessed by PowerHouse, each record in the file is read, but only those records with the appropriate selection value are retrieved. Selection values also serve as unalterable initial values when a record is created. Limit: Eight characters for CHARACTER items; nine digits for NUMERIC items. ITEM RECORD_TYPE SELECT " " When it is time to delete it you would set RECORD_TYPE to something else you may have to create a alternate record layout without the SELECT option to do this. >From: "karen d'souza" >To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu >Subject: RELATIVE file organization >Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 06:47:19 -0700 (PDT) > >Migration an app to UNIX from VMS ... VMS supports it whereas UNIX does'nt >... Any ideas > >karen d'souza wrote: >Does Powerhouse support relative file organization ... Or do i need to >change ti to sequential > >Regards > >Karen > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From shediac92@hotmail.com Sat May 10 14:02:08 2003 From: shediac92@hotmail.com (Peter Bateman) Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 10:02:08 -0300 Subject: PowerHouse -- FSERR 179 Message-ID: Leonard: Powerhouse should lock a KSAM before reading it. >From the Using KSAM-XL manual: "Shared File Access If only one process is accessing a file, setting a pointer and reading a record in a two-step process does not present a problem. Shared file access, however, presents potential retrieval contention. If a pointer is positioned to retrieve a particular record by one process, another process could modify or delete the record before the original process reads it. The FLOCK and FUNLOCK intrinsics should be used to ensure proper record retrieval in any program that allows shared access to its file." I have seen situations where customers were using their own 3GL subprgram accessing a native mode KSAM file and getting this kind of problem with QUICK. That recompiling cause the problem to go away indicates to me that something has changed from the last compilation. Possible changes:- Version of PowerHouse, Patch level of MPE/iX,Corrupted QUICK binary, etc. A file equation for the keyed subfile could cause this problem. e.g. File UNCMPK ... NOLOCK Regards, Peter Bateman >From: Leonard_Berkowitz@harvardpilgrim.org >To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu >Subject: (no subject) >Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:40:49 -0400 > >MPE/iX 6.5 PowerHouse 8.19C > >Here is a screen error in trying to access an indexed subfile (file >code=644; TYP=FAK): > >MODE:F ACTION:F Mass UnComp Care AAC136K2 >05/09/03 >OP#: SWM5433 UNCOMPAM.PHCDBASE V 1.0 >14:27 > > R,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,T > . Ambulatory & Surgical Center Providers . > F,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,G > >01 Irs# >02 Provider >03 Op# >04 Ymdtrans > >Data access error. (UNCOMPAM*01) >THE FILE MUST BE LOCKED BEFORE ISSUING THIS INTRINSIC (FSERR 179) > >We recompiled the screen and the error disappeared. Why is that the case? >How could we have avoided >the problem in the first place? What intrinsic might require locking in the >FIND PROCEDURE? This >file is the only file used by this screen. > >Thanks in advance. >-- >Leonard S. Berkowitz >Perot Health Care Systems >(Harvard Pilgrim Health Care account) >voice: 617-509-1212 >fax: 617-509-1955 >pager: 781-226-2431 > >The information contained in this email message and any attachments >may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended >addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are >hereby notified that any review, disclosure, reproduction, distribution >or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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Cheers, Amarendra From terrycurran@onetel.net.uk Sun May 11 08:20:21 2003 From: terrycurran@onetel.net.uk (Terry Curran) Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 08:20:21 +0100 Subject: Why I can't find information about PH on the web ? In-Reply-To: <5575.1052583797@zworg.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C31796.2B770720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There used to be a manual called "getting started" that's probably a good starting point! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------- This email is brought to you courtesy of 1 & 1, for more details please visit the link below http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=5753616 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------- -----Original Message----- From: powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu] On Behalf Of Amarendra GODBOLE Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 5:23 PM To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: Why I can't find information about PH on the web ? Hi folks, Greetings from India. I am working on a legacy application, which uses PH a lot. Since I am new to PH, I decided to search Google for it. To my surprise, I could not find much information on PH on the web. Why is it that I find not much info. on PH ? The only material that I have are the Cognos manuals about PH. Can someone from Cognos help me answer this question ? I hope this senior members of this list will help me out to in PH, as this is a totally uknown terrain for me. BTW, I'm using PH on HP-UX 9000. 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I am executing one migration project, which has powerhouse programs that are present on VAX VMS, to Hp/UX. I have mapped all the key and the data structure exactly the same what I found in VMS dictionary. I've checked each of the keys, and their attributes seem to be correct and correspond to the respective elements in the LINKS TO file. I didn't understand why my QTP program gives the above mentioned message. Folks please get back to me ASAP. Little background on this might help me to resolve this problem very quickly. Appreciate all your co-operation. Please let me know where to look-in to get more details on this in any manual. =20 Thanks and Regards Narasimha Reddy Bontha=20 Digital GlobalSoft Ltd.=20 ( A subsidiary of Hewlett-Packard Co., USA )=20 +91-80-3370445 ext: 3444=20 ************************************************************************ ***********=20 This information is intended only for use of the individual to whom it is addressed and may=20 contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under law.=20 If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination,=20 distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited.=20 ************************************************************************ ***********=20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C317AE.815F2330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
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=00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C317AE.815F2330-- From philip.jackson@tuitech.co.uk Sun May 11 12:46:48 2003 From: philip.jackson@tuitech.co.uk (Philip Jackson) Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 12:46:48 +0100 Subject: PH Key's usage on Hp/UX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000701c317b3$01d02970$2f849851@PJACKSON> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C317BB.63949170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =20 =20 How did you get the data from the Vax to the HP? Did you just copy the = data files directly, or did you unload into portable subfiles, carefully = transfer to the HP, create the empty datafiles, and then reload via QTP? Or some other way? =20 -----Original Message----- From: powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu] = On Behalf Of Bontha, Narasimhareddy Sent: 11 May 2003 12:15 To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: PH Key's usage on Hp/UX Hi, =20 I have come across a message in Power House on Hp/UX saying that "Actual key/index layout does not conform to the expected key/index layout". I = am executing one migration project, which has powerhouse programs that are present on VAX VMS, to Hp/UX. I have mapped all the key and the data structure exactly the same what I found in VMS dictionary. I've checked = each of the keys, and their attributes seem to be correct and correspond to = the respective elements in the LINKS TO file. I didn't understand why my QTP program gives the above mentioned message. Folks please get back to me = ASAP. Little background on this might help me to resolve this problem very quickly. Appreciate all your co-operation. Please let me know where to look-in to get more details on this in any manual. =20 Thanks and Regards Narasimha Reddy Bontha=20 Digital GlobalSoft Ltd.=20 ( A subsidiary of Hewlett-Packard Co., USA )=20 +91-80-3370445 ext: 3444=20 *************************************************************************= *** *******=20 This information is intended only for use of the individual to whom it = is addressed and may=20 contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under law.=20 If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified = that any use, dissemination,=20 distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited.=20 *************************************************************************= *** *******=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C317BB.63949170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
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How=20 did you get the data from the Vax to the HP? Did you just copy the = data=20 files directly, or did you unload into portable subfiles, carefully = transfer to=20 the HP, create the empty datafiles, and then reload via QTP? Or = some other=20 way?

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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C317BB.63949170-- From Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM Sun May 11 18:48:10 2003 From: Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM (Deskin, Bob) Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 13:48:10 -0400 Subject: Why I can't find information about PH on the web ? Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C317E5.7D093190 Content-Type: text/plain The main site is http://powerhouse.cognos.com. This will give you some general information. There are links to the documentation which you have. There is also a Primer which is a very basic intro to the language and components. I suspect that there's not much general information since PowerHouse is a Cognos proprietary language. Those user groups that were around were before the advent of the web. Now we have this list. Bob Deskin PowerHouse Web Product Manager, Application Development Tools Cognos Inc. 3755 Riverside Drive, Ottawa ON K1G 4K9 CANADA bob.deskin@cognos.com (613) 738-1338 ext 7268 -----Original Message----- From: Amarendra GODBOLE [mailto:root@zworg.com] Sent: May 10, 2003 12:23 PM To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: Why I can't find information about PH on the web ? Hi folks, Greetings from India. I am working on a legacy application, which uses PH a lot. Since I am new to PH, I decided to search Google for it. To my surprise, I could not find much information on PH on the web. Why is it that I find not much info. on PH ? The only material that I have are the Cognos manuals about PH. Can someone from Cognos help me answer this question ? I hope this senior members of this list will help me out to in PH, as this is a totally uknown terrain for me. BTW, I'm using PH on HP-UX 9000. Cheers, Amarendra = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error or are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disseminate or distribute it; do not open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C317E5.7D093190 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Why I can't find information about PH on the web ?
The main site is http://powerhouse.cognos.com. This will give you = some general information. There are links to the documentation which = you have. There is also a Primer which is a very basic intro to the = language and components.

I suspect that there's not much general information = since PowerHouse is a Cognos proprietary language. Those user groups = that were around were before the advent of the web. Now we have this = list.

Bob = Deskin           =
PowerHouse Web Product Manager, Application = Development Tools
Cognos Inc. 3755 Riverside Drive, Ottawa ON K1G 4K9 = CANADA
bob.deskin@cognos.com (613) 738-1338 ext 7268

-----Original Message-----
From: Amarendra GODBOLE [mailto:root@zworg.com]
Sent: May 10, 2003 12:23 PM
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: Why I can't find information about PH on = the web ?

Hi folks,

Greetings from India.

I am working on a legacy application, which uses PH a = lot. Since I am
new to PH, I decided to search Google for it. To my = surprise, I could
not find much information on PH on the web.

Why is it that I find not much info. on PH ? The only = material that I
have are the Cognos manuals about PH. Can someone = from Cognos help me
answer this question ? I hope this senior members of = this list will
help me out to in PH, as this is a totally uknown = terrain for me.

BTW, I'm using PH on HP-UX 9000.

Cheers,
Amarendra
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C317E5.7D093190-- From Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM Sun May 11 18:54:08 2003 From: Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM (Deskin, Bob) Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 13:54:08 -0400 Subject: PH Key's usage on Hp/UX Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C317E6.526232B0 Content-Type: text/plain This message is quite specific. It means that the index and file layout in the dictionary is not the same as the physical file. Bob Deskin PowerHouse Web Product Manager, Application Development Tools Cognos Inc. 3755 Riverside Drive, Ottawa ON K1G 4K9 CANADA bob.deskin@cognos.com (613) 738-1338 ext 7268 -----Original Message----- From: Bontha, Narasimhareddy [mailto:narasimhareddy.bontha@digital.com] Sent: May 11, 2003 7:15 AM To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: PH Key's usage on Hp/UX Hi, I have come across a message in Power House on Hp/UX saying that "Actual key/index layout does not conform to the expected key/index layout". I am executing one migration project, which has powerhouse programs that are present on VAX VMS, to Hp/UX. I have mapped all the key and the data structure exactly the same what I found in VMS dictionary. I've checked each of the keys, and their attributes seem to be correct and correspond to the respective elements in the LINKS TO file. I didn't understand why my QTP program gives the above mentioned message. Folks please get back to me ASAP. Little background on this might help me to resolve this problem very quickly. Appreciate all your co-operation. Please let me know where to look-in to get more details on this in any manual. Thanks and Regards Narasimha Reddy Bontha Digital GlobalSoft Ltd. ( A subsidiary of Hewlett-Packard Co., USA ) +91-80-3370445 ext: 3444 **************************************************************************** ******* This information is intended only for use of the individual to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. **************************************************************************** ******* This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error or are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disseminate or distribute it; do not open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C317E6.526232B0 Content-Type: text/html Message
This message is quite specific. It means that the index and file layout in the dictionary is not the same as the physical file.

Bob Deskin
PowerHouse Web Product Manager, Application Development Tools
Cognos Inc. 3755 Riverside Drive, Ottawa ON K1G 4K9 CANADA
bob.deskin@cognos.com (613) 738-1338 ext 7268

-----Original Message-----
From: Bontha, Narasimhareddy [mailto:narasimhareddy.bontha@digital.com]
Sent: May 11, 2003 7:15 AM
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: PH Key's usage on Hp/UX

Hi,

I have come across a message in Power House on Hp/UX saying that "Actual key/index layout does not conform to the expected key/index layout". I am executing one migration project, which has powerhouse programs that are present on VAX VMS, to Hp/UX. I have mapped all the key and the data structure exactly the same what I found in VMS dictionary. I've checked each of the keys, and their attributes seem to be correct and correspond to the respective elements in the LINKS TO file. I didn't understand why my QTP program gives the above mentioned message. Folks please get back to me ASAP. Little background on this might help me to resolve this problem very quickly. Appreciate all your co-operation. Please let me know where to look-in to get more details on this in any manual.

Thanks and Regards

Narasimha Reddy Bontha
Digital GlobalSoft Ltd.
( A subsidiary of Hewlett-Packard Co., USA )

+91-80-3370445 ext: 3444
***********************************************************************************
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C317E6.526232B0-- From Leonard_Berkowitz@harvardpilgrim.org Mon May 12 13:21:23 2003 From: Leonard_Berkowitz@harvardpilgrim.org (Leonard_Berkowitz@harvardpilgrim.org) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:21:23 -0400 Subject: PowerHouse -- FSERR 179 Message-ID: Peter, thanks for your note. << Possible changes:- Version of PowerHouse, Patch level of MPE/iX,Corrupted QUICK binary, etc. A file equation for the keyed subfile could cause this problem. e.g. File UNCMPK ... NOLOCK>> Unfortunately, none of the above. Even if the previously compiled code was based on the subfile of a different record length, the expected error message would have bee that, and not about locking. Roswell, NM? Leonard -- Leonard S. Berkowitz Perot Health Care Systems (Harvard Pilgrim Health Care account) voice: 617-509-1212 fax: 617-509-1955 pager: 781-226-2431 From Georgia Miller Mon May 12 18:28:55 2003 From: Georgia Miller (Georgia Miller) Date: 12 May 2003 11:28:55 -0600 Subject: Why I can't find information about PH on the web ? Message-ID: <3135583734georgia_miller@mail.gfps.k12.mt.us> There is a book written on Powerhouse" "Unlocking Powerhouse" by Ramon Alino ISBN# 1-882498-12-7 I don't find this book listed on the web for sale anywhere. We have a copy of it, but have a new user that may need to use it, so we need to keep our copy of it. Georgia Miller Great Falls Public Schools On 5/10/2003 10:23 AM, Amarendra GODBOLE wrote: >Hi folks, > >Greetings from India. > >I am working on a legacy application, which uses PH a lot. Since >I am >new to PH, I decided to search Google for it. To my surprise, I could >not find much information on PH on the web. > >Why is it that I find not much info. on PH ? The only material that >I >have are the Cognos manuals about PH. Can someone from Cognos help >me >answer this question ? I hope this senior members of this list will >help me out to in PH, as this is a totally uknown terrain for me. > >BTW, I'm using PH on HP-UX 9000. > >Cheers, >Amarendra >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu >Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu >Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu >http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l >This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. > > From dmorrison@mcbrideelectric.com Mon May 12 18:52:10 2003 From: dmorrison@mcbrideelectric.com (David Morrison - Corporate) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:52:10 -0700 Subject: Why I can't find information about PH on the web ? Message-ID: <95E33F6AAE73984CA53417395C3DAC67AB2950@srvrexchange.mcb_corp.mcbrideelectric.com> We have this book, also. I don't recommend it as being very helpful, though. If you are a Cognos "supported customer", there is plenty of PH information when you sign in to that section of their web site. David Morrison McBride Electric -----Original Message----- From: Georgia Miller [mailto:georgia_miller@mail.gfps.k12.mt.us] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 10:29 AM To: Amarendra GODBOLE; PowerHouse Listserv Subject: Re: Why I can't find information about PH on the web ? There is a book written on Powerhouse" "Unlocking Powerhouse" by Ramon Alino ISBN# 1-882498-12-7 I don't find this book listed on the web for sale anywhere. We have a copy of it, but have a new user that may need to use it, so we need to keep our copy of it. Georgia Miller Great Falls Public Schools On 5/10/2003 10:23 AM, Amarendra GODBOLE wrote: >Hi folks, > >Greetings from India. > >I am working on a legacy application, which uses PH a lot. Since >I am >new to PH, I decided to search Google for it. To my surprise, I could >not find much information on PH on the web. > >Why is it that I find not much info. on PH ? The only material that >I >have are the Cognos manuals about PH. Can someone from Cognos help >me >answer this question ? I hope this senior members of this list will >help me out to in PH, as this is a totally uknown terrain for me. > >BTW, I'm using PH on HP-UX 9000. > >Cheers, >Amarendra >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu >Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu >Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu >http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l >This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. _________________________________________________ Scanned for viruses on 12 May 2003 17:45:46 No viruses found. Virus scanning by http://erado.com From SGates@olbh.com Mon May 12 19:08:07 2003 From: SGates@olbh.com (Gates, Scott) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:08:07 -0400 Subject: Why I can't find information about PH on the web ? Message-ID: <60886916F548D511B53800A0C9C55150011A9E29@ashland01msx> Better examples of "REAL WORLD" source code would be nice. Also documentation of "tricks and traps" in the PH documentation. The best quote I ever heard about Powerhouse was from Brian Lane, who said, "You can't really 'program' in Powerhouse, you can only trick it into working." Which pretty much describes some of the 'fun' I've had making PH do things that would have been SIMPLE in COBOL had COBOL been available. Scott Gates Programmer/Analyst Information Services Our Lady of Bellefonte Hospital P.O. Box 789 Ashland, Kentucky 41105-0789 ----------------------------------- Phone: (606)833-3773 Fax: (606)833-3342 ----------------------------------- Quote: ...Computers are...stupid. Unlike human beings, computers possess the truly profound stupidity of the inanimate. - Bruce Sterling - THE HACKER CRACKDOWN ----------------------------------- Intranet: http://Olbh01iis/intranet/index.html Primary e-mail : [mailto:sgates@olbh.com] Alternate e-mail : [mailto:msgates@pobox.com] ----------------------------------- Our Lady of Bellefonte : http://www.olbh.com ----------------------------------- Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail, fax, or phone and destroy all copies of the original message. -----Original Message----- From: David Morrison - Corporate [mailto:dmorrison@mcbrideelectric.com] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 1:52 PM To: Georgia Miller; Amarendra GODBOLE; PowerHouse Listserv Subject: RE: Why I can't find information about PH on the web ? We have this book, also. I don't recommend it as being very helpful, though. If you are a Cognos "supported customer", there is plenty of PH information when you sign in to that section of their web site. David Morrison McBride Electric -----Original Message----- From: Georgia Miller [mailto:georgia_miller@mail.gfps.k12.mt.us] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 10:29 AM To: Amarendra GODBOLE; PowerHouse Listserv Subject: Re: Why I can't find information about PH on the web ? There is a book written on Powerhouse" "Unlocking Powerhouse" by Ramon Alino ISBN# 1-882498-12-7 I don't find this book listed on the web for sale anywhere. We have a copy of it, but have a new user that may need to use it, so we need to keep our copy of it. Georgia Miller Great Falls Public Schools On 5/10/2003 10:23 AM, Amarendra GODBOLE wrote: >Hi folks, > >Greetings from India. > >I am working on a legacy application, which uses PH a lot. Since >I am >new to PH, I decided to search Google for it. To my surprise, I could >not find much information on PH on the web. > >Why is it that I find not much info. on PH ? The only material that >I >have are the Cognos manuals about PH. Can someone from Cognos help >me >answer this question ? I hope this senior members of this list will >help me out to in PH, as this is a totally uknown terrain for me. > >BTW, I'm using PH on HP-UX 9000. > >Cheers, >Amarendra >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu >Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu >Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu >http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l >This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. _________________________________________________ Scanned for viruses on 12 May 2003 17:45:46 No viruses found. 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From paul_diaconescu@hotmail.com Mon May 12 19:12:50 2003 From: paul_diaconescu@hotmail.com (PAUL DIACONESCU) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:12:50 -0400 Subject: PowerHouse -- FSERR 179 Message-ID: you will get this message after trying to update a temporary ksam file created by the qtp compiler. exemple: :qtp >revise /add 1 access xxxfile 2 def d-sysdate date = sysdate 3 subfile ksamfile include d-sysdate index d-sysdate 4 build ksamqtp 5 // ... /e QTPSAVE ALREADY EXISTS - RESPOND YES TO PURGE OLD AND KEEP NEW PURGE OLD?yes 0 ERRORS 0 WARNINGS. > >cancel clear >access *ksamfile output ksamfile update >go ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Data access error. File: KSAMFILE Action Taken: Run terminated. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- THE FILE MUST BE LOCKED BEFORE ISSUING THIS INTRINSIC (FSERR 179) File: KSAMFILE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Finished. > ------------- solution: purge the temprary subfile created by the qtp compiler >From: Leonard_Berkowitz@harvardpilgrim.org >To: "Peter Bateman" >CC: Leonard_Berkowitz@harvardpilgrim.org, powerh-l@lists.swau.edu, >powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu >Subject: RE: PowerHouse -- FSERR 179 >Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:21:23 -0400 > > >Peter, thanks for your note. > ><< Possible changes:- Version of PowerHouse, Patch level of >MPE/iX,Corrupted >QUICK binary, etc. >A file equation for the keyed subfile could cause this problem. >e.g. File UNCMPK ... NOLOCK>> > >Unfortunately, none of the above. Even if the previously compiled code was >based on the subfile of a >different record length, the expected error message would have bee that, >and not about locking. > >Roswell, NM? > >Leonard >-- >Leonard S. Berkowitz >Perot Health Care Systems >(Harvard Pilgrim Health Care account) >voice: 617-509-1212 >fax: 617-509-1955 >pager: 781-226-2431 > >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu >Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu >Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to >powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu >http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l >This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger : discutez en direct avec vos amis ! http://messenger.fr.msn.ca/ From Harold.A.Johnson@gems1.gov.bc.ca Mon May 12 21:16:48 2003 From: Harold.A.Johnson@gems1.gov.bc.ca (Johnson, Harold A EDUC:EX) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:16:48 -0700 Subject: Why I can't find information about PH on the web ? Message-ID: <0942C9E7BCB2164F997A601AF1098770AC145E@candle.gov.bc.ca> You must be talking about QTP.. programing batch processing in QUICK is much better, faster and easier. Its just like programming in any other language. -----Original Message----- From: Gates, Scott [mailto:SGates@olbh.com] Sent: 2003 May 12 11:08 AM To: PowerHouse Listserv Subject: RE: Why I can't find information about PH on the web ? Better examples of "REAL WORLD" source code would be nice. Also documentation of "tricks and traps" in the PH documentation. The best quote I ever heard about Powerhouse was from Brian Lane, who said, "You can't really 'program' in Powerhouse, you can only trick it into working." Which pretty much describes some of the 'fun' I've had making PH do things that would have been SIMPLE in COBOL had COBOL been available. Scott Gates Programmer/Analyst Information Services Our Lady of Bellefonte Hospital P.O. Box 789 Ashland, Kentucky 41105-0789 ----------------------------------- Phone: (606)833-3773 Fax: (606)833-3342 ----------------------------------- Quote: ...Computers are...stupid. Unlike human beings, computers possess the truly profound stupidity of the inanimate. - Bruce Sterling - THE HACKER CRACKDOWN ----------------------------------- Intranet: http://Olbh01iis/intranet/index.html Primary e-mail : [mailto:sgates@olbh.com] Alternate e-mail : [mailto:msgates@pobox.com] ----------------------------------- Our Lady of Bellefonte : http://www.olbh.com ----------------------------------- Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail, fax, or phone and destroy all copies of the original message. -----Original Message----- From: David Morrison - Corporate [mailto:dmorrison@mcbrideelectric.com] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 1:52 PM To: Georgia Miller; Amarendra GODBOLE; PowerHouse Listserv Subject: RE: Why I can't find information about PH on the web ? We have this book, also. I don't recommend it as being very helpful, though. If you are a Cognos "supported customer", there is plenty of PH information when you sign in to that section of their web site. David Morrison McBride Electric -----Original Message----- From: Georgia Miller [mailto:georgia_miller@mail.gfps.k12.mt.us] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 10:29 AM To: Amarendra GODBOLE; PowerHouse Listserv Subject: Re: Why I can't find information about PH on the web ? There is a book written on Powerhouse" "Unlocking Powerhouse" by Ramon Alino ISBN# 1-882498-12-7 I don't find this book listed on the web for sale anywhere. We have a copy of it, but have a new user that may need to use it, so we need to keep our copy of it. Georgia Miller Great Falls Public Schools On 5/10/2003 10:23 AM, Amarendra GODBOLE wrote: >Hi folks, > >Greetings from India. > >I am working on a legacy application, which uses PH a lot. Since >I am >new to PH, I decided to search Google for it. To my surprise, I could >not find much information on PH on the web. > >Why is it that I find not much info. on PH ? The only material that >I >have are the Cognos manuals about PH. Can someone from Cognos help >me >answer this question ? I hope this senior members of this list will >help me out to in PH, as this is a totally uknown terrain for me. > >BTW, I'm using PH on HP-UX 9000. > >Cheers, >Amarendra >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu >Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu >Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu >http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l >This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. _________________________________________________ Scanned for viruses on 12 May 2003 17:45:46 No viruses found. Virus scanning by http://erado.com = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. From narasimhareddy.bontha@digital.com Tue May 13 08:21:17 2003 From: narasimhareddy.bontha@digital.com (Bontha, Narasimhareddy) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:51:17 +0530 Subject: PH on HP-UX- Line sequential org ? Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31920.3E7CF8B2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =20 I am using PH on HP-UX 11i/9000 series machine. Due to my limited knowledge of PH, I am facing two issues. Here are they: =20 1. I understand that PH does not accept Line Sequential file organization on HP-UX. Is this correct ? Is there any way, I can use a line seq org file with PH ? Basically I want PH to read the file having a line seq organization. I had no problems on VMS, as files pass thru RMS before they are handled to PH. =20 2. I have a file with relative org on VMS. PH accepts it happily on VMS. Now this file has to be migrated to HP-UX, and PH on HP has to handle it. I am not sure if PH can handle relative organization. What file org I should choose so that PH can handle this file similar to they way it handled it on VMS. =20 I understand these questions might not be directly related with PH. Is there any way to resolve them using PH ? Might be some options in PH that help me handle them. They seem to be more closer to the way HP-UX handles files (as a byte stream) though. =20 Thanks, Narasimha =20 -- #include =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31920.3E7CF8B2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi,

I am = using PH on=20 HP-UX 11i/9000 series machine. Due to my limited knowledge of PH, I am = facing=20 two issues. Here are they:

1. I = understand that PH=20 does not accept Line Sequential file organization on HP-UX. Is this = correct ? Is=20 there any way, I can use a line seq org file with PH ? Basically I want = PH to=20 read the file having a line seq organization. I had no problems on VMS, = as files=20 pass thru RMS before they are handled to PH.

2. I have a = file with=20 relative org on VMS. PH accepts it happily on VMS. Now this file has to = be=20 migrated to HP-UX, and PH on HP has to handle it. I am not sure if PH = can handle=20 relative organization. What file org I should choose so that PH can = handle this=20 file similar to they way it handled it on VMS.

I understand = these=20 questions might not be directly related with PH. Is there any way to = resolve=20 them using PH ? Might be some options in PH that help me handle them. = They seem=20 to be more closer to the way HP-UX handles files (as a byte stream)=20 though.

Thanks,

Narasimha

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=00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31920.3E7CF8B2-- From chris.sharman@ccagroup.co.uk Tue May 13 09:03:04 2003 From: chris.sharman@ccagroup.co.uk (Chris Sharman) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 09:03:04 +0100 Subject: Why I can't find information about PH on the web ? In-Reply-To: <200305121924174684160@equus.ccagroup.co.uk> References: <200305121924174684160@equus.ccagroup.co.uk> Message-ID: <3EC0A6B8.7070105@ccagroup.co.uk> Gates, Scott wrote: > Better examples of "REAL WORLD" source code would be nice. Also > documentation of "tricks and traps" in the PH documentation. > > The best quote I ever heard about Powerhouse was from Brian Lane, who said, > "You can't really 'program' in Powerhouse, you can only trick it into > working." Which pretty much describes some of the 'fun' I've had making PH > do things that would have been SIMPLE in COBOL had COBOL been available. You have to get yourself into the Powerhouse style mindset. If you stick to 3GL methods, you deny yourself the 4GL benefits of PH, and you really have to fight with it. Working with it, rather than fighting with it, is really much more productive. That said, there are (rare) occasions when Powerhouse doesn't really seem to fit that well. I'd recommend NOT letting 3GL programmers near the Advanced course, or the procedures manual, until they've got at least a year PH experience: make them learn to do it the right way first. Learning a new style is much harder than learning a new language. Chris ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Any views expressed in this message are those of the sender and not necessarily those of CCA Group. The unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is forbidden. The contents of this message may be confidential and/or privileged, copyright CCA Group and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Whilst this message has been scanned, CCA Group cannot guarantee that it is virus free or compatible with your systems and accepts no responsibility for any loss or damage arising from its use. The recipient is advised to run their own anti-virus software. If you receive this message in error please contact postmaster@ccagroup.co.uk immediately, destroy any copies and delete it from your computer systems. From aroberts@orange.usyd.edu.au Tue May 13 02:49:21 2003 From: aroberts@orange.usyd.edu.au (Adam Robertson) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 11:49:21 +1000 Subject: Update options Message-ID: <003b01c318f1$e0267eb0$d1344e81@orange.usyd.edu.au> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C31945.B1D28EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, I have a .qks screen that has an option which prints some of the entered data: proc designer C begin do internal i_prt_cover_sheet end After the user enteres "C" they then have to enter "U" to update the data. I want to have it do both in one action. I cant just put the 'do internal i_prt_cover_sheet' in the preupdate procedure (which exists and has various processing in it) as the printout is not always needed. My though was to have this: proc designer UC begin do internal i_prt_cover_sheet end But what is that something? I could use 'do internal preupdate' but I dont think that would start the update process correctly. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks Adam Robertson Acting Database and Web Administrator University of Sydney, Orange Phone: 02 6360 5967 Fax: 02 6360 5590 mailto:aroberts@orange.usyd.edu.au ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C31945.B1D28EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=20 All,

I have = a .qks screen=20 that has an option which prints some of the entered = data:

    proc=20 designer C
   =20 begin
        do internal=20 i_prt_cover_sheet
    end

After = the user=20 enteres "C" they then have to enter "U" to update the = data.

I want to have it do both in one=20 action.

I cant just put the 'do internal=20 i_prt_cover_sheet' in the preupdate procedure (which exists and has = various=20 processing in it)

as the = printout is=20 not always needed.

My = though was to=20 have this:

    proc designer = UC
   =20 begin
        do internal=20 i_prt_cover_sheet

        <something = here to=20 start the update process>
    = end

But = what is that=20 something?

I = could use 'do=20 internal preupdate' but I dont think that would start the update process = correctly.

Any = assistance would=20 be appreciated.

Thanks

Adam=20 Robertson
Acting Database and Web = Administrator
University of = Sydney,=20 Orange
Phone: 02 6360 = 5967   Fax:=20 02 6360 5590
mailto:aroberts@orange.usyd.e= du.au=20

------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C31945.B1D28EB0-- From aroberts@orange.usyd.edu.au Tue May 13 08:00:38 2003 From: aroberts@orange.usyd.edu.au (Adam Robertson) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 17:00:38 +1000 Subject: Update options Message-ID: <005801c3191d$5c8398a0$d1344e81@orange.usyd.edu.au> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C31971.2E2FA8A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, I have a .qks screen that has an option which prints some of the entered data: proc designer C begin do internal i_prt_cover_sheet end After the user enteres "C" they then have to enter "U" to update the data. I want to have it do both in one action. I cant just put the 'do internal i_prt_cover_sheet' in the preupdate procedure (which exists and has various processing in it) as the printout is not always needed. My though was to have this: proc designer UC begin do internal i_prt_cover_sheet end But what is that something? I could use 'do internal preupdate' but I dont think that would start the update process correctly. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks Adam Robertson Acting Database and Web Administrator University of Sydney, Orange Phone: 02 6360 5967 Fax: 02 6360 5590 mailto:aroberts@orange.usyd.edu.au ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C31971.2E2FA8A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=20 All,

I have = a .qks screen=20 that has an option which prints some of the entered = data:

    proc=20 designer C
   =20 begin
        do internal=20 i_prt_cover_sheet
    end

After = the user=20 enteres "C" they then have to enter "U" to update the = data.

I want to have it do both in one=20 action.

I cant just put the 'do internal=20 i_prt_cover_sheet' in the preupdate procedure (which exists and has = various=20 processing in it)

as the = printout is=20 not always needed.

My = though was to=20 have this:

    proc designer = UC
   =20 begin
        do internal=20 i_prt_cover_sheet

        <something = here to=20 start the update process>
    = end

But = what is that=20 something?

I = could use 'do=20 internal preupdate' but I dont think that would start the update process = correctly.

Any = assistance would=20 be appreciated.

Thanks

Adam=20 Robertson
Acting Database and Web = Administrator
University of = Sydney,=20 Orange
Phone: 02 6360 = 5967   Fax:=20 02 6360 5590
mailto:aroberts@orange.usyd.e= du.au=20

------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C31971.2E2FA8A0-- From darren.reely@latticesemi.com Wed May 14 01:32:05 2003 From: darren.reely@latticesemi.com (Darren Reely) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 17:32:05 -0700 Subject: Update options References: <003b01c318f1$e0267eb0$d1344e81@orange.usyd.edu.au> Message-ID: <3EC18E85.5010200@latticesemi.com> Perhaps PUSH UPDATE STAY. Adam Robertson wrote: > Hi All, > I have a .qks screen that has an option which prints some of the > entered data: > proc designer C > begin > do internal i_prt_cover_sheet > end > > After the user enteres "C" they then have to enter "U" to update the data. > I want to have it do both in one action. > I cant just put the 'do internal i_prt_cover_sheet' in the preupdate > procedure (which exists and has various processing in it) > as the printout is not always needed. > > My though was to have this: > proc designer UC > begin > do internal i_prt_cover_sheet > > end > > But what is that something? > I could use 'do internal preupdate' but I dont think that would start > the update process correctly. > > Any assistance would be appreciated. > > Thanks > > Adam Robertson > Acting Database and Web Administrator > University of Sydney, Orange > Phone: 02 6360 5967 Fax: 02 6360 5590 > mailto:aroberts@orange.usyd.edu.au > From PICKERIJ@norbord.com Wed May 14 01:38:14 2003 From: PICKERIJ@norbord.com (Pickering, John (NORBORD)) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 20:38:14 -0400 Subject: Update options Message-ID: <611340310619D711AA4000306E1CC512406EC8@TORHEXCH> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C319B1.1AC1A530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" How about the using the "postcommand"? As in: procedure designer C postcommand update begin do intenal i_prt_cover_sheet end -----Original Message----- From: Adam Robertson [mailto:aroberts@orange.usyd.edu.au] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:49 PM To: Powerhouse List (E-mail) Subject: Update options Hi All, I have a .qks screen that has an option which prints some of the entered data: proc designer C begin do internal i_prt_cover_sheet end After the user enteres "C" they then have to enter "U" to update the data. I want to have it do both in one action. I cant just put the 'do internal i_prt_cover_sheet' in the preupdate procedure (which exists and has various processing in it) as the printout is not always needed. My though was to have this: proc designer UC begin do internal i_prt_cover_sheet end But what is that something? I could use 'do internal preupdate' but I dont think that would start the update process correctly. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks Adam Robertson Acting Database and Web Administrator University of Sydney, Orange Phone: 02 6360 5967 Fax: 02 6360 5590 mailto:aroberts@orange.usyd.edu.au ------_=_NextPart_001_01C319B1.1AC1A530 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
How about the using the "postcommand"? As in:

procedure designer C postcommand update

begin

   do intenal i_prt_cover_sheet

end

-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Robertson [mailto:aroberts@orange.usyd.edu.au]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:49 PM
To: Powerhouse List (E-mail)
Subject: Update options

Hi All,

I have a .qks screen that has an option which prints some of the entered data:

    proc designer C
    begin
        do internal i_prt_cover_sheet
    end

After the user enteres "C" they then have to enter "U" to update the data.

I want to have it do both in one action.

I cant just put the 'do internal i_prt_cover_sheet' in the preupdate procedure (which exists and has various processing in it)

as the printout is not always needed.

My though was to have this:

    proc designer UC
    begin
        do internal i_prt_cover_sheet

        <something here to start the update process>
    end

But what is that something?

I could use 'do internal preupdate' but I dont think that would start the update process correctly.

Any assistance would be appreciated.

Thanks

Adam Robertson
Acting Database and Web Administrator
University of Sydney, Orange
Phone: 02 6360 5967   Fax: 02 6360 5590
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C319B1.1AC1A530-- From murray.scholz@abri.une.edu.au Wed May 14 02:03:33 2003 From: murray.scholz@abri.une.edu.au (Murray Scholz) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:03:33 +1000 Subject: Update options References: <003b01c318f1$e0267eb0$d1344e81@orange.usyd.edu.au> Message-ID: <3EC195E5.10708@abri.une.edu.au> Hello Adam, Try "PUSH UPDATE" in your designer procedure Cheers Murray Scholz Associate Director Agricultural Business Research Institute University of New England Armidale NSW 2351 Australia Email murray.scholz@abri.une.edu.au Adam Robertson wrote: > Hi All, > I have a .qks screen that has an option which prints some of the entered > data: > proc designer C > begin > do internal i_prt_cover_sheet > end > > After the user enteres "C" they then have to enter "U" to update the data. > I want to have it do both in one action. > I cant just put the 'do internal i_prt_cover_sheet' in the preupdate > procedure (which exists and has various processing in it) > as the printout is not always needed. > > My though was to have this: > proc designer UC > begin > do internal i_prt_cover_sheet > > end > > But what is that something? > I could use 'do internal preupdate' but I dont think that would start > the update process correctly. > > Any assistance would be appreciated. > > Thanks > > Adam Robertson > Acting Database and Web Administrator > University of Sydney, Orange > Phone: 02 6360 5967 Fax: 02 6360 5590 > mailto:aroberts@orange.usyd.edu.au From aroberts@orange.usyd.edu.au Wed May 14 02:25:11 2003 From: aroberts@orange.usyd.edu.au (Adam Robertson) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:25:11 +1000 Subject: Update options In-Reply-To: <3EC18E85.5010200@latticesemi.com> Message-ID: <004c01c319b7$aa833160$d1344e81@orange.usyd.edu.au> Thanks all. Steve Heaslip & Darren Reely's suggestion of PUSH UPDATE worked perfectly. Again Thanks Adam Robertson Acting Database and Web Administrator University of Sydney, Orange Phone: 02 6360 5967 Fax: 02 6360 5590 mailto:aroberts@orange.usyd.edu.au -----Original Message----- From: Darren Reely [mailto:darren.reely@latticesemi.com] Sent: Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:32 To: Adam Robertson Cc: Powerhouse List (E-mail) Subject: Re: Update options Perhaps PUSH UPDATE STAY. Adam Robertson wrote: > Hi All, > I have a .qks screen that has an option which prints some of the > entered data: > proc designer C > begin > do internal i_prt_cover_sheet > end > > After the user enteres "C" they then have to enter "U" to update the data. > I want to have it do both in one action. > I cant just put the 'do internal i_prt_cover_sheet' in the preupdate > procedure (which exists and has various processing in it) > as the printout is not always needed. > > My though was to have this: > proc designer UC > begin > do internal i_prt_cover_sheet > > end > > But what is that something? > I could use 'do internal preupdate' but I dont think that would start > the update process correctly. > > Any assistance would be appreciated. > > Thanks > > Adam Robertson > Acting Database and Web Administrator > University of Sydney, Orange > Phone: 02 6360 5967 Fax: 02 6360 5590 > mailto:aroberts@orange.usyd.edu.au > From nagaraja.gowd@digital.com Wed May 14 04:41:54 2003 From: nagaraja.gowd@digital.com (Gowd, Nagaraja) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:11:54 +0530 Subject: PH/HP-UX/Numeric values displayed with commas/Urgent Message-ID: <177E503C4DA3D311BC9D0008C791C3060F991CF9@diexch01.xko.dec.com> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C319CA.C3566294 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi All, PH on HP-UX displays all ZONED UNSIGNED or NUMERIC values with comma separated for every 1000. I mean the value 9999999 displayed 9,999,999. Could anyone help me how I can turn this off globally. Thanks & Rgds, Nagaraj ------_=_NextPart_001_01C319CA.C3566294 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PH/HP-UX/Numeric values displayed with commas/Urgent
Hi All,

PH on HP-UX displays all ZONED = UNSIGNED or NUMERIC values with comma separated for every 1000. I mean = the value 9999999 displayed 9,999,999. Could anyone help me how I can = turn this off globally.

Thanks & Rgds,
Nagaraj
------_=_NextPart_001_01C319CA.C3566294-- From Christina.Hasse@COGNOS.com Wed May 14 04:50:24 2003 From: Christina.Hasse@COGNOS.com (Hasse, Christina) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 23:50:24 -0400 Subject: PH/HP-UX/Numeric values displayed with commas/Urgent Message-ID: <31755677B4F9D211929C0008C71BAFF60131451B@schicorp.cognos.com> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C319CB.F36369E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Nagaraj, Your best approach is to change the element definition in the dictionary to have a picture "^^^^^^^" and then re-compile the dictionary. Regards, Christina Hasse ADT North American Technical Manager COGNOS CORPORATION christina.hasse@cognos.com 425 N. Martingale Road, Suite 600 Schaumburg, IL 60173 Office: 847 - 285 - 2905 Cell: 847 - 269 - 1909 (new) Fax: 847 - 240 - 0252 -----Original Message----- From: Gowd, Nagaraja [mailto:nagaraja.gowd@digital.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:42 PM To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' Subject: PH/HP-UX/Numeric values displayed with commas/Urgent Hi All, PH on HP-UX displays all ZONED UNSIGNED or NUMERIC values with comma separated for every 1000. I mean the value 9999999 displayed 9,999,999. Could anyone help me how I can turn this off globally. Thanks & Rgds, Nagaraj This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error or are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disseminate or distribute it; do not open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C319CB.F36369E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PH/HP-UX/Numeric values displayed with commas/Urgent
Hi=20 Nagaraj,

Your=20 best approach is to change the element definition in the dictionary to = have a=20 picture "^^^^^^^" and then re-compile the = dictionary.

Regards,

Christina Hasse =
ADT North American Technical Manager
COGNOS CORPORATION
christina.hasse@cognos.com
425 N. Martingale Road, Suite 600
Schaumburg, IL 60173
Office: 847 - 285 - 2905
Cell: 847 - 269 - = 1909=20 (new) =
Fax: 847 -=20 240 - 0252

-----Original Message-----
From: Gowd, Nagaraja=20 [mailto:nagaraja.gowd@digital.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, = 2003 11:42=20 PM
To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu'
Subject: = PH/HP-UX/Numeric=20 values displayed with commas/Urgent

Hi All,

PH on HP-UX displays all ZONED = UNSIGNED or=20 NUMERIC values with comma separated for every 1000. I mean the value = 9999999=20 displayed 9,999,999. Could anyone help me how I can turn this off=20 globally.

Thanks & Rgds, =
Nagaraj =

This message may contain privileged = and/or confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in = error or are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, = disseminate or distribute it; do not open any attachments, delete it = immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by e-mail = that you have done so. Thank you.
------_=_NextPart_001_01C319CB.F36369E0-- From Bruin@WT.TNO.NL Wed May 14 07:54:26 2003 From: Bruin@WT.TNO.NL (Bruin, J.M. de) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:54:26 +0200 Subject: PH/HP-UX/Numeric values displayed with commas/Urgent Message-ID: <6B80E71673E6D611AC1D0008C7F37BC2737CEE@wt15.wt.tno.nl> An even better approach might be to define a usage in the dict and use that for those ^^^^^^^ numbers and have the picture defined there. Mark --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark de Bruin Voice : +31 15 269 69 05 TNO Automotive Fax : +31 15 257 21 04 Crash Services Laboratories GSM : +31 653 44 21 45 ICT Services E-mail: bruin'at'wt.tno.nl Room: GBS 1.1 URL : http://www.automotive.tno.nl P.O. Box 6033 http://www.tno.nl 2600 JA Delft The Netherlands This e-mail message including any attachment(s), is intended solely for the addressee or addressees and is strictly confidential or otherwise legally protected. Any views or opinions presented herein are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of TNO. For information about this disclaimer and TNO Automotive, follow this link http://www.automotive.tno.nl/smartsite.dws?id=886 -----Original Message----- From: Hasse, Christina [mailto:Christina.Hasse@COGNOS.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 05:50 To: 'Gowd, Nagaraja' Cc: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' Subject: RE: PH/HP-UX/Numeric values displayed with commas/Urgent Hi Nagaraj, Your best approach is to change the element definition in the dictionary to have a picture "^^^^^^^" and then re-compile the dictionary. Regards, Christina Hasse ADT North American Technical Manager COGNOS CORPORATION christina.hasse@cognos.com 425 N. Martingale Road, Suite 600 Schaumburg, IL 60173 Office: 847 - 285 - 2905 Cell: 847 - 269 - 1909 (new) Fax: 847 - 240 - 0252 -----Original Message----- From: Gowd, Nagaraja [mailto:nagaraja.gowd@digital.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:42 PM To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' Subject: PH/HP-UX/Numeric values displayed with commas/Urgent Hi All, PH on HP-UX displays all ZONED UNSIGNED or NUMERIC values with comma separated for every 1000. I mean the value 9999999 displayed 9,999,999. Could anyone help me how I can turn this off globally. Thanks & Rgds, Nagaraj This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error or are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disseminate or distribute it; do not open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank you. From kaz_dsouza@yahoo.com Wed May 14 08:01:43 2003 From: kaz_dsouza@yahoo.com (karen d'souza) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 00:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Update options In-Reply-To: <005801c3191d$5c8398a0$d1344e81@orange.usyd.edu.au> Message-ID: <20030514070143.16346.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com> --0-383690145-1052895703=:15179 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi , How do i represent a double quote within a double quote. I need the second quote. The RUN COMMAND "echo "hello"" gives me an error in powerhouse Help.... Regards Karen --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. --0-383690145-1052895703=:15179 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hi ,

How do i represent a double quote within a double quote. I need the second quote. The RUN COMMAND "echo "hello"" gives me an error in powerhouse

Help....

Regards

Karen

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The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. --0-383690145-1052895703=:15179-- From Bjorn.Selfors@bergen.kommune.no Wed May 14 08:15:30 2003 From: Bjorn.Selfors@bergen.kommune.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Selfors=2C_Bj=F8rn=22?=) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:15:30 +0200 Subject: SV: Update options Message-ID: <139FC4788B3EE34A97494134DD327FDF01B86943@EXVO1.adm.bgo> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C319E8.9A63DB5A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Try 'echo "hello"' or perhaps "echo 'hello'" =20 regards Bj=F8rn Selfors =20 -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: karen d'souza [mailto:kaz_dsouza@yahoo.com] Sendt: 14. mai 2003 09:02 Til: Adam Robertson; Powerhouse List (E-mail) Emne: Re: Update options Hi , How do i represent a double quote within a double quote. I need the second quote. The RUN COMMAND "echo "hello"" gives me an error in powerhouse Help.... Regards=20 Karen =20 _____ =20 Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C319E8.9A63DB5A Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Try=20 'echo "hello"' or perhaps "echo 'hello'"

regards = Bj=F8rn=20 Selfors

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Emne:=20 Re: Update options

Hi ,

How do i represent a double quote within a double quote. I need the = second=20 quote. The RUN COMMAND "echo "hello"" gives me an error in = powerhouse

Help....

Regards

Karen

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C319E8.9A63DB5A-- From murray.scholz@abri.une.edu.au Wed May 14 08:32:28 2003 From: murray.scholz@abri.une.edu.au (Murray Scholz) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:32:28 +1000 Subject: Update options References: <20030514070143.16346.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3EC1F10C.4090102@abri.une.edu.au> Karen, Try something like... ;;;define quote char*1 = '"' ; simpler if want to use single quotes define n-34 int*2 = 34 define quote char*1 = char(n-34) ; This may need to be slightly different depending on your platform define the-command char*60 = "echo " + quote + "hello" + quote then the run command statement becomes: RUN COMMAND the-command Regards Murray Scholz Agricultural Business Research Institute University of New England Armidale NSW 2351 Australia Email murray.scholz@abri.une.edu.au karen d'souza wrote: > Hi , > > How do i represent a double quote within a double quote. I need the > second quote. The RUN COMMAND "echo "hello"" gives me an error in powerhouse > > Help.... > > Regards > > Karen From Bruin@WT.TNO.NL Wed May 14 09:35:37 2003 From: Bruin@WT.TNO.NL (Bruin, J.M. de) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:35:37 +0200 Subject: Update options Message-ID: <6B80E71673E6D611AC1D0008C7F37BC2737CF0@wt15.wt.tno.nl> Try 'echo "Hello"' Mark -----Original Message----- From: karen d'souza [mailto:kaz_dsouza@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 09:02 To: Adam Robertson; Powerhouse List (E-mail) Subject: Re: Update options Hi , How do i represent a double quote within a double quote. I need the second quote. The RUN COMMAND "echo "hello"" gives me an error in powerhouse Help.... Regards Karen _____ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. From Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM Wed May 14 11:22:07 2003 From: Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM (Deskin, Bob) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 06:22:07 -0400 Subject: PH/HP-UX/Numeric values displayed with commas/Urgent Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31A02.AC4D9C10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The global default is to use a period as the decimal character and a comma to separate thousands. If you change the DECIMAL option in SYSTEM OPTIONS in the dictionary to a comma, then a space will be used as the default thousands separator. These are the two global options. Otherwise you'll have to change the picture at the element or usage level. Bob Deskin Product Manager, Application Development Tools Cognos Inc. 3755 Riverside Drive, Ottawa ON K1G 4K9 CANADA bob.deskin@cognos.com (613) 738-1338 ext 7268 -----Original Message----- From: Gowd, Nagaraja [mailto:nagaraja.gowd@digital.com] Sent: May 13, 2003 11:42 PM To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' Subject: PH/HP-UX/Numeric values displayed with commas/Urgent Hi All, PH on HP-UX displays all ZONED UNSIGNED or NUMERIC values with comma separated for every 1000. I mean the value 9999999 displayed 9,999,999. Could anyone help me how I can turn this off globally. Thanks & Rgds, Nagaraj This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error or are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disseminate or distribute it; do not open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31A02.AC4D9C10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PH/HP-UX/Numeric values displayed with commas/Urgent
The=20 global default is to use a period as the decimal character and a comma = to=20 separate thousands. If you change the DECIMAL option in SYSTEM OPTIONS = in the=20 dictionary to a comma, then a space will be used as the default = thousands=20 separator. These are the two global options. Otherwise you'll have to = change the=20 picture at the element or usage level.

Bob=20 Deskin           =   =20
Product Manager, Application Development = Tools=20
Cognos Inc.=20 3755 Riverside Drive, Ottawa ON K1G 4K9 = CANADA=20
bob.deskin@cognos.com (613) 738-1338 ext = 7268

-----Original Message-----
From: Gowd, Nagaraja=20 [mailto:nagaraja.gowd@digital.com]
Sent: May 13, 2003 11:42 = PM
To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu'
Subject: = PH/HP-UX/Numeric=20 values displayed with commas/Urgent

Hi All,

PH on HP-UX displays all ZONED = UNSIGNED or=20 NUMERIC values with comma separated for every 1000. I mean the value = 9999999=20 displayed 9,999,999. Could anyone help me how I can turn this off=20 globally.

Thanks & Rgds, =
Nagaraj =

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C31A02.AC4D9C10-- From kaz_dsouza@yahoo.com Wed May 14 11:22:56 2003 From: kaz_dsouza@yahoo.com (karen d'souza) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 03:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <6B80E71673E6D611AC1D0008C7F37BC2737CF0@wt15.wt.tno.nl> Message-ID: <20030514102256.17927.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1735338483-1052907776=:17872 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hi i have a QKS program that works fine in the VMS environment but it gives an error- field overwrites screen background... can u suggest a solution for this problem .. i tried to change the alignment in the program . with this the program compiled fine but the screen is not identical to the original screen. the fields are not placed in the right locations regards , karen --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. --0-1735338483-1052907776=:17872 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
hi

i have a QKS program that works fine in the VMS environment but it
gives an error- field overwrites screen background...
can u suggest a solution for this problem .. i tried to change the
alignment in the program . with this the program compiled fine but the screen is not identical to the original screen. the fields are not placed in the right locations
regards ,
karen
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The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. --0-1735338483-1052907776=:17872-- From kaz_dsouza@yahoo.com Wed May 14 11:32:43 2003 From: kaz_dsouza@yahoo.com (karen d'souza) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 03:32:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <6B80E71673E6D611AC1D0008C7F37BC2737CF0@wt15.wt.tno.nl> Message-ID: <20030514103243.73022.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com> --0-645942702-1052908363=:72044 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hi i have a QKS program that works fine in the VMS environment but it gives an error- field overwrites screen background... can u suggest a solution for this problem .. i tried to change the alignment in the program . with this the program compiled fine but the screen is not identical to the original screen. the fields are not placed in the right locations regards , karen --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. --0-645942702-1052908363=:72044 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
hi

i have a QKS program that works fine in the VMS environment but it
gives an error- field overwrites screen background...
can u suggest a solution for this problem .. i tried to change the
alignment in the program . with this the program compiled fine but the screen is not identical to the original screen. the fields are not placed in the right locations
regards ,
karen
Do you Yahoo!?
The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. --0-645942702-1052908363=:72044-- From kaz_dsouza@yahoo.com Wed May 14 12:04:33 2003 From: kaz_dsouza@yahoo.com (karen d'souza) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 04:04:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: PH/HP-UX/Numeric values displayed with commas/Urgent In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030514110433.56755.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com> --0-651783770-1052910273=:54114 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am using RUN COMMAND ". temp.sh" At run time it throws an error message execution permission denied even after giving all permissions to the file temp.sh. I am working on HP-UX. Any suggestions --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. --0-651783770-1052910273=:54114 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

I am using

RUN COMMAND ". temp.sh"

At run time it throws an error message execution permission denied even after giving all permissions to the file temp.sh.

I am working on HP-UX.

Any suggestions
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The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. --0-651783770-1052910273=:54114-- From chris.sharman@ccagroup.co.uk Wed May 14 12:14:01 2003 From: chris.sharman@ccagroup.co.uk (Chris Sharman) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:14:01 +0100 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <200305141138596665344@equus.ccagroup.co.uk> References: <200305141138596665344@equus.ccagroup.co.uk> Message-ID: <3EC224F9.3020508@ccagroup.co.uk> karen d'souza wrote: > hi > > i have a QKS program that works fine in the VMS environment but it > gives an error- field overwrites screen background... > can u suggest a solution for this problem .. i tried to change the > alignment in the program . with this the program compiled fine but the > screen is not identical to the original screen. the fields are not > placed in the right locations Presumably it errors in some other environment ? What environment ? What screen size ? VMS is 1,1 (top left) - don't know about others. You need to fix alignment/positioning, according to the error. Try moving/commenting out fields to see what's clashing. Try posting some code to the list if you want more specific help ! Chris ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Any views expressed in this message are those of the sender and not necessarily those of CCA Group. The unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is forbidden. The contents of this message may be confidential and/or privileged, copyright CCA Group and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Whilst this message has been scanned, CCA Group cannot guarantee that it is virus free or compatible with your systems and accepts no responsibility for any loss or damage arising from its use. The recipient is advised to run their own anti-virus software. If you receive this message in error please contact postmaster@ccagroup.co.uk immediately, destroy any copies and delete it from your computer systems. From Robert.Edis@blistex.com Wed May 14 14:56:32 2003 From: Robert.Edis@blistex.com (Edis, Robert) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:56:32 -0500 Subject: Update options Message-ID: <003EC701AC78D5119B180000D1EEC32C012F20BE@BLISTEXEXC> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31A20.A0217A10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Have you tried (shudder) "PUSH UPDATE"? Be fully aware of the consequences of this action though. I.e. the effect on screen mode, having refind the last record, what files are being updated, etc. Blue -----Original Message----- From: Adam Robertson [mailto:aroberts@orange.usyd.edu.au] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:49 PM To: Powerhouse List (E-mail) Subject: Update options Hi All, I have a .qks screen that has an option which prints some of the entered data: proc designer C begin do internal i_prt_cover_sheet end After the user enteres "C" they then have to enter "U" to update the data. I want to have it do both in one action. I cant just put the 'do internal i_prt_cover_sheet' in the preupdate procedure (which exists and has various processing in it) as the printout is not always needed. My though was to have this: proc designer UC begin do internal i_prt_cover_sheet end But what is that something? I could use 'do internal preupdate' but I dont think that would start the update process correctly. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks Adam Robertson Acting Database and Web Administrator University of Sydney, Orange Phone: 02 6360 5967 Fax: 02 6360 5590 mailto:aroberts@orange.usyd.edu.au ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31A20.A0217A10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Have you tried (shudder) "PUSH UPDATE"? Be fully aware of the consequences of this action though. I.e. the effect on screen mode, having refind the last record, what files are being updated, etc.

Blue

-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Robertson [mailto:aroberts@orange.usyd.edu.au]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:49 PM
To: Powerhouse List (E-mail)
Subject: Update options

Hi All,

I have a .qks screen that has an option which prints some of the entered data:

    proc designer C
    begin
        do internal i_prt_cover_sheet
    end

After the user enteres "C" they then have to enter "U" to update the data.

I want to have it do both in one action.

I cant just put the 'do internal i_prt_cover_sheet' in the preupdate procedure (which exists and has various processing in it)

as the printout is not always needed.

My though was to have this:

    proc designer UC
    begin
        do internal i_prt_cover_sheet

        <something here to start the update process>
    end

But what is that something?

I could use 'do internal preupdate' but I dont think that would start the update process correctly.

Any assistance would be appreciated.

Thanks

Adam Robertson
Acting Database and Web Administrator
University of Sydney, Orange
Phone: 02 6360 5967   Fax: 02 6360 5590
mailto:aroberts@orange.usyd.edu.au

------_=_NextPart_001_01C31A20.A0217A10-- From Robert.Edis@blistex.com Wed May 14 15:03:55 2003 From: Robert.Edis@blistex.com (Edis, Robert) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:03:55 -0500 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <003EC701AC78D5119B180000D1EEC32C012F20BF@BLISTEXEXC> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31A21.A8508CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It would help if we knew the environment? What emulator? OS? Version of OS and PH and emulator? -----Original Message----- From: karen d'souza [mailto:kaz_dsouza@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 5:23 AM To: Bruin, J.M. de; Powerhouse List (E-mail) Subject: (no subject) hi i have a QKS program that works fine in the VMS environment but it gives an error- field overwrites screen background... can u suggest a solution for this problem .. i tried to change the alignment in the program . with this the program compiled fine but the screen is not identical to the original screen. the fields are not placed in the right locations regards , karen _____ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31A21.A8508CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
It would help if we knew the environment? What emulator? OS? Version of OS and PH and emulator?

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From: karen d'souza [mailto:kaz_dsouza@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 5:23 AM
To: Bruin, J.M. de; Powerhouse List (E-mail)
Subject: (no subject)

hi

i have a QKS program that works fine in the VMS environment but it
gives an error- field overwrites screen background...
can u suggest a solution for this problem .. i tried to change the
alignment in the program . with this the program compiled fine but the screen is not identical to the original screen. the fields are not placed in the right locations
regards ,
karen

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C31A21.A8508CC0-- From kaz_dsouza@yahoo.com Wed May 14 15:26:42 2003 From: kaz_dsouza@yahoo.com (karen d'souza) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 07:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <3EC224F9.3020508@ccagroup.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030514142642.33939.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1370792142-1052922402=:33240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > hi i have a QKS program that works fine in the VMS environment but it gives an error- field overwrites screen background.. in HP-UX environment. can u suggest a solution for this problem .. i tried to change the alignment in the program . with this the program compiled fine but the screen is not identical to the original screen. the fields are not placed in the right locations --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. --0-1370792142-1052922402=:33240 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
> hi

i have a QKS program that works fine in the VMS environment but it  gives an error- field overwrites screen background.. in HP-UX environment.
can u suggest a solution for this problem .. i tried to change the alignment in the program . with this the program compiled fine but the screen is not identical to the original screen. the fields are not placed in the right locations
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The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. --0-1370792142-1052922402=:33240-- From ym.ramarao@digital.com Wed May 14 16:26:37 2003 From: ym.ramarao@digital.com (Ramarao, YM) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 20:56:37 +0530 Subject: FW: powerh-l -- confirmation of subscription -- request 808402 Message-ID: Hi, We are migrating VAX PH to HP-UX PH. We are facing the following problems. Can somebody help us out. 1. Whether the item and element names need to be unique, not just within a record file, but across all the record files in HP-UX, as it is found that no duplicates are allowed. Is there any generic way of solving the following, without making changes to the individual PH programs? 2. Date/time could not display correctly on screen, all becomes "######". 3. Account number that is defined as numeric is displayed as 'xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx'. 4. Line sequential file generated by PH could not be read properly by PH itself. Thanking you in advance ... Awaiting your, valuable inputs .. Regards, Ramaro From Robert.Edis@blistex.com Wed May 14 16:43:34 2003 From: Robert.Edis@blistex.com (Edis, Robert) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:43:34 -0500 Subject: powerh-l -- confirmation of subscription -- request 808402 Message-ID: <003EC701AC78D5119B180000D1EEC32C012F20C2@BLISTEXEXC> Dear Ramaro "VAX" is not an operating system. Are you migrating from VMS or UNIX? What experience/training do you have with PowerHouse? How did you create the PowerHouse dictionary on the HP-UX box? Did you generate/copy the PDL from the VAX side and copy it to the HP9000(?) for compilation? What changes did you make to the PDL script? Can you share with us the element/item/record relevant details from the PDL script? Is this happening in ALL PowerHouse programs that you have recompiled or in select ones? Where did you create the sequential file, on the VAX or on the HP9000? (under what OS's?) How did you transfer data from one machine to the other? Are you using ISAM files permanently on the new machine and was the application using only RMS files on the VAX (assuming VMS here)? I.e. is there a RDBMS involved at all? Regards, Blue -----Original Message----- From: Ramarao, YM [mailto:ym.ramarao@digital.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:27 AM To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: FW: powerh-l -- confirmation of subscription -- request 808402 Hi, We are migrating VAX PH to HP-UX PH. We are facing the following problems. Can somebody help us out. 1. Whether the item and element names need to be unique, not just within a record file, but across all the record files in HP-UX, as it is found that no duplicates are allowed. Is there any generic way of solving the following, without making changes to the individual PH programs? 2. Date/time could not display correctly on screen, all becomes "######". 3. Account number that is defined as numeric is displayed as 'xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx'. 4. Line sequential file generated by PH could not be read properly by PH itself. Thanking you in advance ... Awaiting your, valuable inputs .. Regards, Ramaro = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. From Robert.Edis@blistex.com Wed May 14 17:13:45 2003 From: Robert.Edis@blistex.com (Edis, Robert) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:13:45 -0500 Subject: powerh-l -- confirmation of subscription -- request 808402 Message-ID: <003EC701AC78D5119B180000D1EEC32C012F20C3@BLISTEXEXC> Thanks for the quick response. We are in fact migrating from VMS to HP-UX. How did you create the PowerHouse dictionary on the HP-UX box? Did you generate/copy the PDL from the VAX side and copy it to the HP9000(?) for compilation? What changes did you make to the PDL script? [We have created the pdl's from the VAX dictionary definitions.] Is this happening in ALL PowerHouse programs that you have recompiled or in select ones? [Yes, happening for all PH programs] Where did you create the sequential file, on the VAX or on the HP9000? (under what OS's?) How did you transfer data from one machine to the other? Are you using ISAM files permanently on the new machine and was the application using only RMS files on the VAX (assuming VMS here)? I.e. is there a RDBMS involved at all? [We have converted RMS files - binary/indexed to sequential on VMS and ftp'd to HP box in ASCII mode, and reconverted back to their respective file modes] Warm Regards, ramarao -----Original Message----- From: Edis, Robert [mailto:Robert.Edis@blistex.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 9:14 PM To: Powerh-L (E-mail) Subject: RE: powerh-l -- confirmation of subscription -- request 808402 Dear Ramaro "VAX" is not an operating system. Are you migrating from VMS or UNIX? What experience/training do you have with PowerHouse? How did you create the PowerHouse dictionary on the HP-UX box? Did you generate/copy the PDL from the VAX side and copy it to the HP9000(?) for compilation? What changes did you make to the PDL script? Can you share with us the element/item/record relevant details from the PDL script? Is this happening in ALL PowerHouse programs that you have recompiled or in select ones? Where did you create the sequential file, on the VAX or on the HP9000? (under what OS's?) How did you transfer data from one machine to the other? Are you using ISAM files permanently on the new machine and was the application using only RMS files on the VAX (assuming VMS here)? I.e. is there a RDBMS involved at all? Regards, Blue -----Original Message----- From: Ramarao, YM [mailto:ym.ramarao@digital.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:27 AM To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: FW: powerh-l -- confirmation of subscription -- request 808402 Hi, We are migrating VAX PH to HP-UX PH. We are facing the following problems. Can somebody help us out. 1. Whether the item and element names need to be unique, not just within a record file, but across all the record files in HP-UX, as it is found that no duplicates are allowed. Is there any generic way of solving the following, without making changes to the individual PH programs? 2. Date/time could not display correctly on screen, all becomes "######". 3. Account number that is defined as numeric is displayed as 'xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx'. 4. Line sequential file generated by PH could not be read properly by PH itself. Thanking you in advance ... Awaiting your, valuable inputs .. Regards, Ramaro = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. From Robert.Edis@blistex.com Wed May 14 17:30:56 2003 From: Robert.Edis@blistex.com (Edis, Robert) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:30:56 -0500 Subject: powerh-l -- confirmation of subscription -- request 808402 Message-ID: <003EC701AC78D5119B180000D1EEC32C012F20C4@BLISTEXEXC> Ramaro If I understand you correctly you: A) generated the PDL from the POW utility on the VMS machine then copied the resulting PDL to the HP-UX machine and compiled this into a PDC file without making any changes to the PDL script (or did you manually recreate the PDL?) and B) copied the sequential files from VMS to HP-UX using FTP without any conversion (VMS-UNIX CR/LF changes) If so then can you read the sequential files correctly using VI or other HP-UX tool? I suspect that the file organisation is screwed up and the dictionary doesn't map correctly to the "fields" in the sequential file on the HP-UX side. If the CR and/or LF characters have been included in the records as explicit chars then each subsequent record would be out of sync with the previous records and with the PHD definitions. Regards, Blue Ramaro wrote: [We are in fact migrating from VMS to HP-UX.] >>How did you create the PowerHouse dictionary on the HP-UX box? Did you >>generate/copy the PDL from the VAX side and copy it to the HP9000(?) for >>compilation? >>What changes did you make to the PDL script? [We have created the pdl's from the VAX dictionary definitions.] >>Is this happening in ALL PowerHouse programs that you have recompiled or in >>select ones? [Yes, happening for all PH programs] >>Where did you create the sequential file, on the VAX or on the HP9000? >>(under what OS's?) >>How did you transfer data from one machine to the other? >>Are you using ISAM files permanently on the new machine and was the >>application using only RMS files on the VAX (assuming VMS here)? I.e. is >>there a RDBMS involved at all? [We have converted RMS files - binary/indexed to sequential on VMS and ftp'd to HP box in ASCII mode, and reconverted back to their respective file modes] Warm Regards, ramarao From: Edis, Robert [mailto:Robert.Edis@blistex.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 9:14 PM To: Powerh-L (E-mail) Subject: RE: powerh-l -- confirmation of subscription -- request 808402 Dear Ramaro "VAX" is not an operating system. Are you migrating from VMS or UNIX? What experience/training do you have with PowerHouse? How did you create the PowerHouse dictionary on the HP-UX box? Did you generate/copy the PDL from the VAX side and copy it to the HP9000(?) for compilation? What changes did you make to the PDL script? Can you share with us the element/item/record relevant details from the PDL script? Is this happening in ALL PowerHouse programs that you have recompiled or in select ones? Where did you create the sequential file, on the VAX or on the HP9000? (under what OS's?) How did you transfer data from one machine to the other? Are you using ISAM files permanently on the new machine and was the application using only RMS files on the VAX (assuming VMS here)? I.e. is there a RDBMS involved at all? Regards, Blue -----Original Message----- From: Ramarao, YM [mailto:ym.ramarao@digital.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:27 AM To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: FW: powerh-l -- confirmation of subscription -- request 808402 Hi, We are migrating VAX PH to HP-UX PH. We are facing the following problems. Can somebody help us out. 1. Whether the item and element names need to be unique, not just within a record file, but across all the record files in HP-UX, as it is found that no duplicates are allowed. Is there any generic way of solving the following, without making changes to the individual PH programs? 2. Date/time could not display correctly on screen, all becomes "######". 3. Account number that is defined as numeric is displayed as 'xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx'. 4. Line sequential file generated by PH could not be read properly by PH itself. Thanking you in advance ... Awaiting your, valuable inputs .. Regards, Ramaro From darren.reely@latticesemi.com Wed May 14 17:47:46 2003 From: darren.reely@latticesemi.com (Darren Reely) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:47:46 -0700 Subject: Run Command temp.sh References: <20030514110433.56755.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3EC27332.90406@latticesemi.com> First, will you _PLEASE_ put proper subject descriptions in you e-mails. It is impossible to keep track of your requests. Here is a sample from my code. run command "chmod +x temp.sh" on error continue run command "temp.sh" & clear lines 20 to 23 & on error continue response Notice I have no period & space as your sample does. Perhaps you intended your space to be a forward slash? Darren. P.S. I'm running Solaris Unix. karen d'souza wrote: > > I am using > RUN COMMAND ". temp.sh" > > At run time it throws an error message execution permission denied > even after giving all permissions to the file temp.sh. > > I am working on HP-UX. > > Any suggestions > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search > - > Faster. Easier. Bingo. From Robert.Edis@blistex.com Wed May 14 18:09:17 2003 From: Robert.Edis@blistex.com (Edis, Robert) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:09:17 -0500 Subject: powerh-l -- confirmation of subscription -- request 808402 Message-ID: <003EC701AC78D5119B180000D1EEC32C012F20C6@BLISTEXEXC> Ramaro It sounds like you and your co-workers are doing an 'off-shore' project in India for some Western company. It also sounds like no of you have had much or any experience/training with PowerHouse and probably are not supported Cognos customers. Why not hire a PH expert from the USA, CA, UK or Australia to come over and guide you guys right? It would be more efficient than expecting this list to provide that sort of support. Regards, Blue From: Ramarao, YM [mailto:ym.ramarao@digital.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:27 AM To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: FW: powerh-l -- confirmation of subscription -- request 808402 Hi, We are migrating VAX PH to HP-UX PH. We are facing the following problems. Can somebody help us out. 1. Whether the item and element names need to be unique, not just within a record file, but across all the record files in HP-UX, as it is found that no duplicates are allowed. Is there any generic way of solving the following, without making changes to the individual PH programs? 2. Date/time could not display correctly on screen, all becomes "######". 3. Account number that is defined as numeric is displayed as 'xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx'. 4. Line sequential file generated by PH could not be read properly by PH itself. Thanking you in advance ... Awaiting your, valuable inputs .. Regards, Ramaro = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. From PICKERIJ@norbord.com Wed May 14 18:44:22 2003 From: PICKERIJ@norbord.com (Pickering, John (NORBORD)) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:44:22 -0400 Subject: vax to ux conversion (was nonsense subject) Message-ID: <611340310619D711AA4000306E1CC512406ECE@TORHEXCH> It's the client, whoever that might be, that I feel most sorry for. -----Original Message----- From: Edis, Robert [mailto:Robert.Edis@blistex.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 1:09 PM To: Powerh-L (E-mail) Subject: RE: powerh-l -- confirmation of subscription -- request 808402 Ramaro It sounds like you and your co-workers are doing an 'off-shore' project in India for some Western company. It also sounds like no of you have had much or any experience/training with PowerHouse and probably are not supported Cognos customers. Why not hire a PH expert from the USA, CA, UK or Australia to come over and guide you guys right? It would be more efficient than expecting this list to provide that sort of support. Regards, Blue From merol.newman@ramesys.com Wed May 14 18:47:14 2003 From: merol.newman@ramesys.com (Merol Newman) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 18:47:14 +0100 Subject: FW: Run Command temp.sh Message-ID: <004201c31a40$da917220$9a075001@specialist.co.uk> Hello Karen I've used the syntax ". temp.sh", though not from within Quick. Just a thought - what happens if you specify the full path for temp.sh, as in ". /usr/users/temp.sh" or whatever. There might be other copies of temp.sh elsewhere, with different permissions, found by one of the default paths in the login. regards Merol merol.newman@ramesys.com Ramesys, Eldon Way, Crick, Northamptonshire, UK. NN6 7SL phone 01788 822133/823831, fax 01788 823601 -----Original Message----- From: powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu] On Behalf Of Darren Reely Sent: 14 May 2003 17:48 To: karen d'souza Cc: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' Subject: Re: Run Command temp.sh First, will you _PLEASE_ put proper subject descriptions in you e-mails. It is impossible to keep track of your requests. Here is a sample from my code. run command "chmod +x temp.sh" on error continue run command "temp.sh" & clear lines 20 to 23 & on error continue response Notice I have no period & space as your sample does. Perhaps you intended your space to be a forward slash? Darren. P.S. I'm running Solaris Unix. karen d'souza wrote: > > I am using > RUN COMMAND ". temp.sh" > > At run time it throws an error message execution permission denied > even after giving all permissions to the file temp.sh. > > I am working on HP-UX. > > Any suggestions > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search > - > Faster. Easier. Bingo. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. From Robert.Edis@blistex.com Wed May 14 18:46:36 2003 From: Robert.Edis@blistex.com (Edis, Robert) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:46:36 -0500 Subject: vax to ux conversion (was nonsense subject) Message-ID: <003EC701AC78D5119B180000D1EEC32C012F20C7@BLISTEXEXC> Hey now John, let's not sound mean. I just think that the list is not where these guys are going to get the best help for what could be a great number of questions/issues. My assumptions could be completely wrong and PowerHouse has "officially" made it to India and they are working on a local job for a local company and are supported/trained by Cognos by don't have a lot of experience with PH. *IF* it is an off-shore gig I am NOT sorry for the client. There are too many PH programmers here without gigs to feel sorry for a company that sends its work off shore. -----Original Message----- From: Pickering, John (NORBORD) [mailto:PICKERIJ@norbord.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:44 PM To: 'Edis, Robert'; Powerhouse List (E-mail) Subject: RE: vax to ux conversion (was nonsense subject) It's the client, whoever that might be, that I feel most sorry for. -----Original Message----- From: Edis, Robert [mailto:Robert.Edis@blistex.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 1:09 PM To: Powerh-L (E-mail) Subject: RE: powerh-l -- confirmation of subscription -- request 808402 Ramaro It sounds like you and your co-workers are doing an 'off-shore' project in India for some Western company. It also sounds like no of you have had much or any experience/training with PowerHouse and probably are not supported Cognos customers. Why not hire a PH expert from the USA, CA, UK or Australia to come over and guide you guys right? It would be more efficient than expecting this list to provide that sort of support. Regards, Blue From DLanders@pcc-structurals.com Wed May 14 18:54:27 2003 From: DLanders@pcc-structurals.com (Landers, Dianne) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:54:27 -0700 Subject: vax to ux conversion (was nonsense subject) Message-ID: <81BBF564B999A7429005237F9FAFE3B06EA625@opsxch01> Sorry for the Client!!!! It's the clients that are shipping our jobs off shore to 'save money'. Well, I say, let them get what they paid for. Regards. dl -----Original Message----- From: Pickering, John (NORBORD) [mailto:PICKERIJ@norbord.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:44 AM To: 'Edis, Robert'; Powerhouse List (E-mail) Subject: RE: vax to ux conversion (was nonsense subject) It's the client, whoever that might be, that I feel most sorry for. -----Original Message----- From: Edis, Robert [mailto:Robert.Edis@blistex.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 1:09 PM To: Powerh-L (E-mail) Subject: RE: powerh-l -- confirmation of subscription -- request 808402 Ramaro It sounds like you and your co-workers are doing an 'off-shore' project in India for some Western company. It also sounds like no of you have had much or any experience/training with PowerHouse and probably are not supported Cognos customers. Why not hire a PH expert from the USA, CA, UK or Australia to come over and guide you guys right? It would be more efficient than expecting this list to provide that sort of support. Regards, Blue = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. From catherine.litten@valleypres.org Wed May 14 19:15:08 2003 From: catherine.litten@valleypres.org (Catherine Litten) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:15:08 -0700 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20030514102256.17927.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C31A0A.14168080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Usually this warning means the field is positioned so it runs off the screen and has to start on the next line. Or one field over laps labels or other fields. You might check where things begin and end on your screen. Hope that helps, Cat -----Original Message----- From: powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu]On Behalf Of karen d'souza Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 3:23 AM To: Bruin, J.M. de; Powerhouse List (E-mail) Subject: (no subject) hi i have a QKS program that works fine in the VMS environment but it gives an error- field overwrites screen background... can u suggest a solution for this problem .. i tried to change the alignment in the program . with this the program compiled fine but the screen is not identical to the original screen. the fields are not placed in the right locations regards , karen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C31A0A.14168080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Usually this warning means the field is = positioned so=20 it runs off the screen and has to start on the next line. Or one = field=20 over laps labels or other fields. You might check where things = begin and=20 end on your screen.

Hope that helps,

Cat

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Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 3:23 AM
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hi

i have a QKS program that works fine in the VMS environment but it=20
gives an error- field overwrites screen background...
can u = suggest a=20 solution for this problem .. i tried to change the
alignment in = the=20 program . with this the program compiled fine but the screen is not = identical=20 to the original screen. the fields are not placed in the right=20 locations
regards ,
karen

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T= he New=20 Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C31A0A.14168080-- From terrycurran@onetel.net.uk Wed May 14 19:18:37 2003 From: terrycurran@onetel.net.uk (Terry Curran) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 19:18:37 +0100 Subject: vax to ux conversion (was nonsense subject) In-Reply-To: <003EC701AC78D5119B180000D1EEC32C012F20C7@BLISTEXEXC> Message-ID: As far as I am aware the only safe way to transfer PH from VMS to Unix (any flavour), is to: 1) Create the PDL source on the vax - from within QSHOW. 2) Create PORTABLE subfiles of any data which is required on the Unix box. 3) FTP the PDL source, and the Portsble subfiles (usually a .PSD and .PD file) to the unix box. 4) Create a new Dictionary on the unix bos, from the PDL file using the PDL compiler. 5) create empty data files using QUTIL. 6) Re-load the data files from the portable subfiles. And hey presto, you have you VMS data on unix! Most PH source files will compile successfully against the new dictionary. You will probably need to make changes to the data dictionary source file. Unix does not support all the data types of VMS, and the file open is different, but any competent PH programmer should be able to do this - Cognos used to have a manual about making your code portable, but I am not sure that you can still get it, it had general advice about source files. PS - I have transferred PH from DG/AOSVS -> DG/UX , DG/UX -> VAX/VMS, VAX/VMS -> SCO/UX, and a few others. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------- This email is brought to you courtesy of 1 & 1, for more details please visit the link below http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=5753616 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------- From markus.grossrieder@alba-systems.com Wed May 14 19:23:19 2003 From: markus.grossrieder@alba-systems.com (Markus Grossrieder) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 20:23:19 +0200 Subject: Run Command temp.sh References: <004201c31a40$da917220$9a075001@specialist.co.uk> Message-ID: <023901c31a45$ec885890$2501a8c0@albamarkusxp> Just a quick thought: try "sh temp.sh" instead of ". temp.sh" ... I remember it worked for me once (no idea why, I'm a VMS man and do HP-UX only to kill time :-) HTH, Regards, Markus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Merol Newman" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:47 PM Subject: FW: Run Command temp.sh > Hello Karen > > I've used the syntax ". temp.sh", though not from within Quick. Just a thought - > what happens if you specify the full path for temp.sh, as in > > ". /usr/users/temp.sh" or whatever. > > There might be other copies of temp.sh elsewhere, with different permissions, > found by one of the default paths in the login. > > regards > Merol > > merol.newman@ramesys.com > Ramesys, Eldon Way, Crick, Northamptonshire, UK. NN6 7SL > phone 01788 822133/823831, fax 01788 823601 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu] > On Behalf Of Darren Reely > Sent: 14 May 2003 17:48 > To: karen d'souza > Cc: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' > Subject: Re: Run Command temp.sh > > > First, will you _PLEASE_ put proper subject descriptions in you e-mails. > It is impossible to keep track of your requests. > > Here is a sample from my code. > > run command "chmod +x temp.sh" on error continue > run command "temp.sh" & > clear lines 20 to 23 & > on error continue response > > Notice I have no period & space as your sample does. Perhaps you > intended your space to be a forward slash? > > Darren. > P.S. I'm running Solaris Unix. > > karen d'souza wrote: > > > > > I am using > > RUN COMMAND ". temp.sh" > > > > At run time it throws an error message execution permission denied > > even after giving all permissions to the file temp.sh. > > > > I am working on HP-UX. > > > > Any suggestions > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search > > - > > Faster. Easier. 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And who knows if the client directly farmed the work out to the offshore programmers in training centre or the work was sub-contracted by a fast-buck artist. What - crooks in our industry? - quelle surprise! And then the client has to hire expensive Cognos personnel (or you and me, Blue :-) to fix the mess and eventually says "see PowerHouse sucks, let's get rid of it." There goes another PH site. Maybe us HP 3000 users are overly sensitive to migration scams these days! -----Original Message----- From: Edis, Robert [mailto:Robert.Edis@blistex.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 1:47 PM To: Powerh-L (E-mail) Subject: RE: vax to ux conversion (was nonsense subject) Hey now John, let's not sound mean. I just think that the list is not where these guys are going to get the best help for what could be a great number of questions/issues. 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There are too many PH programmers here without gigs to feel sorry for a company that sends its work off shore. -----Original Message----- From: Pickering, John (NORBORD) [mailto:PICKERIJ@norbord.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:44 PM To: 'Edis, Robert'; Powerhouse List (E-mail) Subject: RE: vax to ux conversion (was nonsense subject) It's the client, whoever that might be, that I feel most sorry for. -----Original Message----- From: Edis, Robert [mailto:Robert.Edis@blistex.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 1:09 PM To: Powerh-L (E-mail) Subject: RE: powerh-l -- confirmation of subscription -- request 808402 Ramaro It sounds like you and your co-workers are doing an 'off-shore' project in India for some Western company. It also sounds like no of you have had much or any experience/training with PowerHouse and probably are not supported Cognos customers. Why not hire a PH expert from the USA, CA, UK or Australia to come over and guide you guys right? 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From PICKERIJ@norbord.com Wed May 14 19:53:46 2003 From: PICKERIJ@norbord.com (Pickering, John (NORBORD)) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:53:46 -0400 Subject: FW: field overwrites screen background Message-ID: <611340310619D711AA4000306E1CC512406ED4@TORHEXCH> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31A4A.262CACF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If this is in conjunction with the dictionary which seems to have lost the picture clauses on the element statements, then perhaps all those double word integers are now taking up 15 screen positions instead of their former 6 or 8 and therefore breaking the screen limitations. Are there picture clauses on the field statements in the screens or are they defaulting to the dictionary pictures? And if they are defaulting to the dictionary pictures, do the element statements have picture clauses or is PH defaulting to an attempt to display the whole potential value? And if the dictionary lost the picture clauses, did it lose the label clauses too? And how about REAL subjects, please. -----Original Message----- From: Catherine Litten [mailto:catherine.litten@valleypres.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:15 PM To: Powerhouse List (E-mail) Subject: RE: (no subject) Usually this warning means the field is positioned so it runs off the screen and has to start on the next line. Or one field over laps labels or other fields. You might check where things begin and end on your screen. Hope that helps, Cat -----Original Message----- From: powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu]On Behalf Of karen d'souza Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 3:23 AM To: Bruin, J.M. de; Powerhouse List (E-mail) Subject: (no subject) hi i have a QKS program that works fine in the VMS environment but it gives an error- field overwrites screen background... can u suggest a solution for this problem .. i tried to change the alignment in the program . with this the program compiled fine but the screen is not identical to the original screen. the fields are not placed in the right locations regards , karen ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31A4A.262CACF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

If this is in conjunction with the dictionary which seems to have lost the picture clauses on the element statements, then perhaps all those double word integers are now taking up 15 screen positions instead of their former 6 or 8 and therefore breaking the screen limitations. Are there picture clauses on the field statements in the screens or are they defaulting to the dictionary pictures? And if they are defaulting to the dictionary pictures, do the element statements have picture clauses or is PH defaulting to an attempt to display the whole potential value?

And if the dictionary lost the picture clauses, did it lose the label clauses too?

<rant>

And how about REAL subjects, please.

</rant>

-----Original Message-----
From: Catherine Litten [mailto:catherine.litten@valleypres.org]
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:15 PM
To: Powerhouse List (E-mail)
Subject: RE: (no subject)

Usually this warning means the field is positioned so it runs off the screen and has to start on the next line. Or one field over laps labels or other fields. You might check where things begin and end on your screen.

Hope that helps,

Cat

-----Original Message-----
From: powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu]On Behalf Of karen d'souza
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 3:23 AM
To: Bruin, J.M. de; Powerhouse List (E-mail)
Subject: (no subject)

hi

i have a QKS program that works fine in the VMS environment but it
gives an error- field overwrites screen background...
can u suggest a solution for this problem .. i tried to change the
alignment in the program . with this the program compiled fine but the screen is not identical to the original screen. the fields are not placed in the right locations
regards ,
karen

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If we all reply directly to him a couple dozen times each, he might get the hint... > -----Original Message----- > From: Gates, Scott [mailto:SGates@olbh.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:32 PM > To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu > Cc: 'Sheehan, Richard' > Subject: RE: unsubscribe > > > Yeah, why read the instructions when you can write a script > to irritate > others? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sheehan, Richard [mailto:RSheehan@ci.bellevue.wa.us] > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 3:12 PM > To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu > Subject: RE: unsubscribe > > It looks like we have an auto responder setup. > > Someone who takes that amount of effort must really know what they are > doing!! > > Or maybe not. > > Richard S Sheehan > 425.452.6177 > Business Systems Analyst > City of Bellevue, WA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Edis, Robert [mailto:Robert.Edis@blistex.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 11:46 AM > To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' > Subject: RE: unsubscribe > > > Nope. You have to follow the same method as everybody else is > instructed to at the bottom of the emails. > > BTW, why? Were you offended? If so why not speak up? Freedom of > speech is a great thing. > > Blue > > -----Original Message----- > From: ashish dube [mailto:ashish_dube@rediffmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 1:41 PM > To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu > Subject: unsubscribe > > > please unsubscribe me... > > Ashish Dube > ___________________________________________________ > Impress your clients! 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LOL > -----Original Message----- > From: Sheehan, Richard [mailto:RSheehan@ci.bellevue.wa.us] > Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:02 AM > To: ashish dube; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu > Subject: RE: unsubscribe > > > Hmm. > > I wonder what the following lines mean? > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu > Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to > powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu From Roshan_Shah@Satyam.com Thu May 15 04:54:54 2003 From: Roshan_Shah@Satyam.com (Roshan_Shah) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:24:54 +0530 Subject: vax to ux conversion (was nonsense subject) Message-ID: I totally agree with Terry's Message. Although - I still can't understand that HP ("HP Invent") who now owns Digital don't have inventive people to implement solutions on their Boxes. In a procedural way the first step should be to a) Find a Solution yourself ( Experienced people won't ask Solutions here ;-) as they already know way to get things done ) b) If not, try and call Cognos Support ( Especially if you fall in the umbrella of Big Company like HP - they may want you not to look stupid ;-) ) c) If don't find a solution there - then try other means..... As far as Offshore work is concerned, it has nothing to do with purely cost cutting, the trend is that "Hey - If you are a Doctor - Focus on Patient Cure - Don't try and keep pace with IT else you will lose Focus". Most offshore work to India, Phillipines, Mexico is from Companies who want to find a long term partner who can Keep them ahead in IT - but they start the relationship first with giving applications that are tightly coupled and difficult(Cost inefficient) to maintain. However, I am also aware of lots of cutting edge product developments going on in India for prestigious solutions. Bottomline is - That most of the companies in India are process oriented(We have largest no of SEI CMM 5 Companies here).. Although you will see people posting stupid questions at first but everything goes documented - knowledge gets built and then you see a real value being delivered. Regards Roshan Shah "Opinions are of my own and not of my Employer" -----Original Message----- From: Terry Curran [mailto:terrycurran@onetel.net.uk] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 11:49 PM To: 'Edis, Robert'; 'Powerh-L (E-mail)' Subject: RE: vax to ux conversion (was nonsense subject) As far as I am aware the only safe way to transfer PH from VMS to Unix (any flavour), is to: 1) Create the PDL source on the vax - from within QSHOW. 2) Create PORTABLE subfiles of any data which is required on the Unix box. 3) FTP the PDL source, and the Portsble subfiles (usually a .PSD and .PD file) to the unix box. 4) Create a new Dictionary on the unix bos, from the PDL file using the PDL compiler. 5) create empty data files using QUTIL. 6) Re-load the data files from the portable subfiles. And hey presto, you have you VMS data on unix! Most PH source files will compile successfully against the new dictionary. You will probably need to make changes to the data dictionary source file. Unix does not support all the data types of VMS, and the file open is different, but any competent PH programmer should be able to do this - Cognos used to have a manual about making your code portable, but I am not sure that you can still get it, it had general advice about source files. 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If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by email and delete all copies; your cooperation in this regard is appreciated. ************************************************************************** From kaz_dsouza@yahoo.com Thu May 15 05:45:05 2003 From: kaz_dsouza@yahoo.com (karen d'souza) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 21:45:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Excuting a script from a powerhouse program by sourcing it (was: Run command temp.sh) In-Reply-To: <3EC27332.90406@latticesemi.com> Message-ID: <20030515044505.18206.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com> --0-921749664-1052973905=:17649 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Apologies for the messedup subject, will take care next time onwards. > run command "temp.sh" & Yes, this will run tem.sh, but the shell does so by forking a new process, due to which my exported variables from temp.sh are lost. I am trying to do `. temp.sh', as I want to execute temp.sh in the _same_ shell. Is there a way I can run temp.sh in the same shell ? Thanks in advance. Karen. Darren Reely wrote:First, will you _PLEASE_ put proper subject descriptions in you e-mails. It is impossible to keep track of your requests. Here is a sample from my code. run command "chmod +x temp.sh" on error continue run command "temp.sh" & clear lines 20 to 23 & on error continue response Notice I have no period & space as your sample does. Perhaps you intended your space to be a forward slash? Darren. P.S. I'm running Solaris Unix. karen d'souza wrote: > > I am using > RUN COMMAND ". temp.sh" > > At run time it throws an error message execution permission denied > even after giving all permissions to the file temp.sh. > > I am working on HP-UX. > > Any suggestions > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search > - > Faster. Easier. Bingo. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. --0-921749664-1052973905=:17649 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Apologies for the messedup subject, will take care next time onwards.

> run command "temp.sh" &

Yes, this will run tem.sh, but the shell does so by forking a new process, due to which my exported variables from temp.sh are lost. I am trying to do `. temp.sh', as I want to execute temp.sh in the _same_ shell. Is there a way I can run temp.sh in the same shell ?

Thanks in advance.

Karen.

Darren Reely <darren.reely@latticesemi.com> wrote:
First, will you _PLEASE_ put proper subject descriptions in you e-mails.
It is impossible to keep track of your requests.

Here is a sample from my code.

run command "chmod +x temp.sh" on error continue
run command "temp.sh" &
clear lines 20 to 23 &
on error continue response

Notice I have no period & space as your sample does. Perhaps you
intended your space to be a forward slash?

Darren.
P.S. I'm running Solaris Unix.

karen d'souza wrote:

>
> I am using
> RUN COMMAND ". temp.sh"
>
> At run time it throws an error message execution permission denied
> even after giving all permissions to the file temp.sh.
>
> I am working on HP-UX.
>
> Any suggestions
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?> The New Yahoo! Search
> -
> Faster. Easier. Bingo.

Do you Yahoo!?
The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. --0-921749664-1052973905=:17649-- From Mark.Fry@COGNOS.com Thu May 15 09:16:35 2003 From: Mark.Fry@COGNOS.com (Fry, Mark) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:16:35 +0100 Subject: Excuting a script from a powerhouse program by sourcing it (w as: Run command temp.sh) Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31ABA.4D3935A0 Content-Type: text/plain Hi Karen, You want to execute temp.sh in the same shell? Hmmm... The problem is that when you issue a RUN COMMAND, your current process is not in the original shell, but rather a child of the quick process used to fire up the screen in the first place. If you want your command to run in a shell, you have to ask for it (ie fork a new shell below your quick process by doing RUN COMMAND "sh -c '. temp.sh'"). Of course, as soon as the RUN COMMAND has finished, you drop back to the quick process (ie your screen) and lose whatever variables were set in your forked shell. >From within your screen, you cannot make changes to the original shell you were in before you started the screen, as it is the parent process of your screen, which in turn is the parent process of whatever you ask for in your RUN COMMAND. You can see this effectively if you issue a RUN COMMAND "ksh" from quick. When you run the command, you fork a new shell. It's parent is not your original shell, but rather the quick process for your screen (do a ps -f to see this). Looks like you will need to source temp.sh before you launch quick. Hope this clarifies things a bit. Cheers! Mark Fry Mark.Fry@Cognos.com -----Original Message----- From: karen d'souza [mailto:kaz_dsouza@yahoo.com] Sent: 15 May 2003 05:45 To: Darren Reely Cc: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' Subject: Excuting a script from a powerhouse program by sourcing it (was: Run command temp.sh) Apologies for the messedup subject, will take care next time onwards. > run command "temp.sh" & Yes, this will run tem.sh, but the shell does so by forking a new process, due to which my exported variables from temp.sh are lost. I am trying to do `. temp.sh', as I want to execute temp.sh in the _same_ shell. Is there a way I can run temp.sh in the same shell ? Thanks in advance. Karen. Darren Reely wrote: First, will you _PLEASE_ put proper subject descriptions in you e-mails. It is impossible to keep track of your requests. Here is a sample from my code. run command "chmod +x temp.sh" on error continue run command "temp.sh" & clear lines 20 to 23 & on error continue response Notice I have no period & space as your sample does. Perhaps you intended your space to be a forward slash? Darren. P.S. I'm running Solaris Unix. karen d'souza wrote: > > I am using > RUN COMMAND ". temp.sh" > > At run time it throws an error message execution permission denied > even after giving all permissions to the file temp.sh. > > I am working on HP-UX. > > Any suggestions > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Do you Yahoo!?> The New Yahoo! Search > - > Faster. Easier. Bingo. _____ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error or are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disseminate or distribute it; do not open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31ABA.4D3935A0 Content-Type: text/html
Hi Karen,

You want to execute temp.sh in the same shell? Hmmm... The problem is that when you issue a RUN COMMAND, your current process is not in the original shell, but rather a child of the quick process used to fire up the screen in the first place. If you want your command to run in a shell, you have to ask for it (ie fork a new shell below your quick process by doing RUN COMMAND "sh -c '. temp.sh'"). Of course, as soon as the RUN COMMAND has finished, you drop back to the quick process (ie your screen) and lose whatever variables were set in your forked shell.

From within your screen, you cannot make changes to the original shell you were in before you started the screen, as it is the parent process of your screen, which in turn is the parent process of whatever you ask for in your RUN COMMAND. You can see this effectively if you issue a RUN COMMAND "ksh" from quick. When you run the command, you fork a new shell. It's parent is not your original shell, but rather the quick process for your screen (do a ps -f to see this).

Looks like you will need to source temp.sh before you launch quick.

Hope this clarifies things a bit.

Cheers!

Mark Fry

Mark.Fry@Cognos.com

-----Original Message-----
From: karen d'souza [mailto:kaz_dsouza@yahoo.com]
Sent: 15 May 2003 05:45
To: Darren Reely
Cc: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu'
Subject: Excuting a script from a powerhouse program by sourcing it (was: Run command temp.sh)

Apologies for the messedup subject, will take care next time onwards.

> run command "temp.sh" &

Yes, this will run tem.sh, but the shell does so by forking a new process, due to which my exported variables from temp.sh are lost. I am trying to do `. temp.sh', as I want to execute temp.sh in the _same_ shell. Is there a way I can run temp.sh in the same shell ?

Thanks in advance.

Karen.

Darren Reely <darren.reely@latticesemi.com> wrote:
First, will you _PLEASE_ put proper subject descriptions in you e-mails.
It is impossible to keep track of your requests.

Here is a sample from my code.

run command "chmod +x temp.sh" on error continue
run command "temp.sh" &
clear lines 20 to 23 &
on error continue response

Notice I have no period & space as your sample does. Perhaps you
intended your space to be a forward slash?

Darren.
P.S. I'm running Solaris Unix.

karen d'souza wrote:

>
> I am using
> RUN COMMAND ". temp.sh"
>
> At run time it throws an error message execution permission denied
> even after giving all permissions to the file temp.sh.
>
> I am working on HP-UX.
>
> Any suggestions
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?> The New Yahoo! Search
> -
> Faster. Easier. Bingo.

Do you Yahoo!?
The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.

This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error or are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disseminate or distribute it; do not open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank you.
------_=_NextPart_001_01C31ABA.4D3935A0-- From greig.morrison@sympatico.ca Thu May 15 13:41:07 2003 From: greig.morrison@sympatico.ca (greig.morrison@sympatico.ca) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 8:41:07 -0400 Subject: Excuting a script from a powerhouse program by sourcing it Message-ID: <20030515124107.KTXH19215.tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.20]> Karen, If you are trying to set environment variables in the same shell as you Quick screen perhaps the solution would be to use the SETSYSTEMVAL function, also see GETSYSTEMVAL. Quiz, Qtp and other processes can then access these environment variables when run from your Quick session. example from the PowerHouse Rules manual: > IF NOT SETSYSTEMVAL("QTP_PARMS", ("RUN" + RUN_REQ )) > THEN ERROR "Could not set environment variable" Cheers, Greig Message: 5 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 21:45:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "karen d'souza" Subject: Excuting a script from a powerhouse program by sourcing it (was: Run command temp.sh) To: Darren Reely Cc: "'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu'" --0-921749664-1052973905=:17649 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Apologies for the messedup subject, will take care next time onwards. > run command "temp.sh" & Yes, this will run tem.sh, but the shell does so by forking a new process, due to which my exported variables from temp.sh are lost. I am trying to do `. temp. sh', as I want to execute temp.sh in the _same_ shell. Is there a way I can run temp.sh in the same shell ? Thanks in advance. Karen. From Robert.Edis@blistex.com Thu May 15 15:46:31 2003 From: Robert.Edis@blistex.com (Edis, Robert) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:46:31 -0500 Subject: Excuting a script from a powerhouse program by sourcing it (w as: Run command temp.sh) Message-ID: <003EC701AC78D5119B180000D1EEC32C012F20EF@BLISTEXEXC> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31AF0.C61AE370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Now THIS is why I LOVE OpenVMS! I had these problems whenever I've used a flavour of UNIX. It's so simple in VMS using symbols and logicals in the various contexts. UNIX doesn't seem to understand to idea of context. Blue -----Original Message----- From: Fry, Mark [mailto:Mark.Fry@cognos.com] Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 3:17 AM To: 'karen d'souza'; Darren Reely Cc: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' Subject: RE: Excuting a script from a powerhouse program by sourcing it (w as: Run command temp.sh) Hi Karen, You want to execute temp.sh in the same shell? Hmmm... The problem is that when you issue a RUN COMMAND, your current process is not in the original shell, but rather a child of the quick process used to fire up the screen in the first place. If you want your command to run in a shell, you have to ask for it (ie fork a new shell below your quick process by doing RUN COMMAND "sh -c '. temp.sh'"). Of course, as soon as the RUN COMMAND has finished, you drop back to the quick process (ie your screen) and lose whatever variables were set in your forked shell. >From within your screen, you cannot make changes to the original shell you were in before you started the screen, as it is the parent process of your screen, which in turn is the parent process of whatever you ask for in your RUN COMMAND. You can see this effectively if you issue a RUN COMMAND "ksh" from quick. When you run the command, you fork a new shell. It's parent is not your original shell, but rather the quick process for your screen (do a ps -f to see this). Looks like you will need to source temp.sh before you launch quick. Hope this clarifies things a bit. Cheers! Mark Fry Mark.Fry@Cognos.com -----Original Message----- From: karen d'souza [mailto:kaz_dsouza@yahoo.com] Sent: 15 May 2003 05:45 To: Darren Reely Cc: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' Subject: Excuting a script from a powerhouse program by sourcing it (was: Run command temp.sh) Apologies for the messedup subject, will take care next time onwards. > run command "temp.sh" & Yes, this will run tem.sh, but the shell does so by forking a new process, due to which my exported variables from temp.sh are lost. I am trying to do `. temp.sh', as I want to execute temp.sh in the _same_ shell. Is there a way I can run temp.sh in the same shell ? Thanks in advance. Karen. Darren Reely wrote: First, will you _PLEASE_ put proper subject descriptions in you e-mails. It is impossible to keep track of your requests. Here is a sample from my code. run command "chmod +x temp.sh" on error continue run command "temp.sh" & clear lines 20 to 23 & on error continue response Notice I have no period & space as your sample does. Perhaps you intended your space to be a forward slash? Darren. P.S. I'm running Solaris Unix. karen d'souza wrote: > > I am using > RUN COMMAND ". temp.sh" > > At run time it throws an error message execution permission denied > even after giving all permissions to the file temp.sh. > > I am working on HP-UX. > > Any suggestions > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Do you Yahoo!?> The New Yahoo! Search > - > Faster. Easier. Bingo. _____ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. 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Now THIS is why I LOVE OpenVMS! I had these problems whenever I've used a flavour of UNIX. It's so simple in VMS using symbols and logicals in the various contexts. UNIX doesn't seem to understand to idea of context.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Fry, Mark [mailto:Mark.Fry@cognos.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 3:17 AM
To: 'karen d'souza'; Darren Reely
Cc: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu'
Subject: RE: Excuting a script from a powerhouse program by sourcing it (w as: Run command temp.sh)

Hi Karen,

You want to execute temp.sh in the same shell? Hmmm... The problem is that when you issue a RUN COMMAND, your current process is not in the original shell, but rather a child of the quick process used to fire up the screen in the first place. If you want your command to run in a shell, you have to ask for it (ie fork a new shell below your quick process by doing RUN COMMAND "sh -c '. temp.sh'"). Of course, as soon as the RUN COMMAND has finished, you drop back to the quick process (ie your screen) and lose whatever variables were set in your forked shell.

From within your screen, you cannot make changes to the original shell you were in before you started the screen, as it is the parent process of your screen, which in turn is the parent process of whatever you ask for in your RUN COMMAND. You can see this effectively if you issue a RUN COMMAND "ksh" from quick. When you run the command, you fork a new shell. It's parent is not your original shell, but rather the quick process for your screen (do a ps -f to see this).

Looks like you will need to source temp.sh before you launch quick.

Hope this clarifies things a bit.

Cheers!

Mark Fry

Mark.Fry@Cognos.com

-----Original Message-----
From: karen d'souza [mailto:kaz_dsouza@yahoo.com]
Sent: 15 May 2003 05:45
To: Darren Reely
Cc: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu'
Subject: Excuting a script from a powerhouse program by sourcing it (was: Run command temp.sh)

Apologies for the messedup subject, will take care next time onwards.

> run command "temp.sh" &

Yes, this will run tem.sh, but the shell does so by forking a new process, due to which my exported variables from temp.sh are lost. I am trying to do `. temp.sh', as I want to execute temp.sh in the _same_ shell. Is there a way I can run temp.sh in the same shell ?

Thanks in advance.

Karen.

Darren Reely <darren.reely@latticesemi.com> wrote:
First, will you _PLEASE_ put proper subject descriptions in you e-mails.
It is impossible to keep track of your requests.

Here is a sample from my code.

run command "chmod +x temp.sh" on error continue
run command "temp.sh" &
clear lines 20 to 23 &
on error continue response

Notice I have no period & space as your sample does. Perhaps you
intended your space to be a forward slash?

Darren.
P.S. I'm running Solaris Unix.

karen d'souza wrote:

>
> I am using
> RUN COMMAND ". temp.sh"
>
> At run time it throws an error message execution permission denied
> even after giving all permissions to the file temp.sh.
>
> I am working on HP-UX.
>
> Any suggestions
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?> The New Yahoo! Search
> -
> Faster. Easier. Bingo.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C31AF0.C61AE370-- From raj hanchan" Folks, I have been tinkering around with PH, over this particular problem I am facing. But the PH manual, or Googling did not help. The question seems to be very fundamental... My PH program generates a line sequential file (records separated by newline, fixed length) okay. But then it is unable the read the same file it has generated !!! I need to read this LS file, and generate a report...but the report I get is all junk... *** My question is: Can PH read a line sequential input ? Or is it that, it will _only_ accept sequential input as it is on UNIX ? I am using PH on HP-UX 11i. I'd appreciate if someone can answer this question, as this seems very trivial, but I could gather no info about this in the manuals, or on the web. Thanks in advance. Warm Regards, Raj ___________________________________________________ Get www. mycompany .com and 5 matching email ids. Just Rs. 1499/ year. Click here http://www.rediffmailpro.com From Robert.Edis@blistex.com Thu May 15 16:32:36 2003 From: Robert.Edis@blistex.com (Edis, Robert) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:32:36 -0500 Subject: Is line sequential file read by PH on HP-UX 11i/9000 Message-ID: <003EC701AC78D5119B180000D1EEC32C012F20F1@BLISTEXEXC> Raj Are you saying that you have explicit CR/LF chars in the file to terminate each record? How are you producing this file? I.e. is it defined in the dictionary, is it a subfile, or a dat (no sfd) file? Can you provide an example of the source that produces the records and reads the records for us? Can you give us the first two rows of the data file? Can you provide the PDL file/record definition if it is defined in the PHD? Can you tell us what component of PowerHouse you are writing/reading the file with? (Quick, Quiz, QTP) Regards, Blue -----Original Message----- From: raj hanchan [mailto:raj_hanchan@rediffmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 10:23 AM To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: Is line sequential file read by PH on HP-UX 11i/9000 Folks, I have been tinkering around with PH, over this particular problem I am facing. But the PH manual, or Googling did not help. The question seems to be very fundamental... My PH program generates a line sequential file (records separated by newline, fixed length) okay. But then it is unable the read the same file it has generated !!! I need to read this LS file, and generate a report...but the report I get is all junk... *** My question is: Can PH read a line sequential input ? Or is it that, it will _only_ accept sequential input as it is on UNIX ? I am using PH on HP-UX 11i. I'd appreciate if someone can answer this question, as this seems very trivial, but I could gather no info about this in the manuals, or on the web. Thanks in advance. Warm Regards, Raj ___________________________________________________ Get www. mycompany .com and 5 matching email ids. Just Rs. 1499/ year. Click here http://www.rediffmailpro.com = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. From dennis@dhassell.com Thu May 15 16:50:30 2003 From: dennis@dhassell.com (dennis@dhassell.com) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:50:30 -0400 Subject: Is line sequential file read by PH on HP-UX 11i/9000 In-Reply-To: <20030515152230.22176.qmail@webmail24.rediffmail.com> Message-ID: <001701c31af9$b6a9dc30$800101df@DHA05> Are you trying to read it in the same process or are you writing it in one and reading in another? Can any other application read the file written by PH? What module (QUICK, QTP)? Is it a subfile? If not, would a subfile work for this? Dennis Hassell Dennis Hassell and Associates (941) 746-4919 (941) 224-3981 - cell -----Original Message----- From: powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu] On Behalf Of raj hanchan Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 11:23 AM To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: Is line sequential file read by PH on HP-UX 11i/9000 Folks, I have been tinkering around with PH, over this particular problem I am facing. But the PH manual, or Googling did not help. The question seems to be very fundamental... My PH program generates a line sequential file (records separated by newline, fixed length) okay. But then it is unable the read the same file it has generated !!! I need to read this LS file, and generate a report...but the report I get is all junk... *** My question is: Can PH read a line sequential input ? Or is it that, it will _only_ accept sequential input as it is on UNIX ? I am using PH on HP-UX 11i. I'd appreciate if someone can answer this question, as this seems very trivial, but I could gather no info about this in the manuals, or on the web. Thanks in advance. Warm Regards, Raj ___________________________________________________ Get www. mycompany .com and 5 matching email ids. Just Rs. 1499/ year. Click here http://www.rediffmailpro.com = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. From Robert.Edis@blistex.com Thu May 15 16:57:15 2003 From: Robert.Edis@blistex.com (Edis, Robert) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:57:15 -0500 Subject: Is line sequential file read by PH on HP-UX 11i/9000 Message-ID: <003EC701AC78D5119B180000D1EEC32C012F20F4@BLISTEXEXC> Raj It appears to from that your record definition in the PHD needs to have an extra char added to it to handle the explicit LF. Just create a new item called 'LF' or whatever at the end of the record item list. Blue -----Original Message----- From: raj hanchan [mailto:raj_hanchan@rediffmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 10:51 AM To: Edis,Robert Subject: Re: RE: Is line sequential file read by PH on HP-UX 11i/9000 Blue, Thanks for your prompt reply. Here is the test results of both line seq and seq. I have used a c program convert_lseq2seq.exe to convert from line seq to seq. About CR/LF yes i do see LF(\n with od -c command) in my line seq data file. /dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >ls -l *.pdl -rwxr-xr-x 1 dtestbat dtestgrp 421 May 10 23:56 TSTDATATEST.pdl /dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >cat TSTDATATEST.pdl element REC-KEY-TSTDATATEST CHARACTER size 28 element ACCT-NO CHARACTER size 14 element TEST-NO CHARACTER size 14 element CALL-ID CHARACTER size 16 file TSTDATATEST organization sequential & open $DIRDATA/TSTDATATEST record TSTDATATEST item REC-KEY-TSTDATATEST datatype CHARACTER size 28 begin structure item ACCT-NO datatype CHARACTER size 14 item TEST-NO datatype CHARACTER size 14 end structure item CALL-ID load /dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >ls -l *.pdc -rw-r--r-- 1 dtestbat dtestgrp 12498 May 10 23:57 testdict.pdc /dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >ls -l TESTL0010TEST.* -rw-r--r-- 1 dtestbat dtestgrp 1719 May 10 23:52 TESTL0010TEST.QZS -rw-r--r-- 1 dtestbat dtestgrp 5376 May 10 23:58 TESTL0010TEST.qzc /dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data >ls -l /dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data >ls -l *.dat -rw-r--r-- 1 dtestbat dtestgrp 1035 May 11 03:14 TSTDATA.dat /dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data >cat TSTDATA.dat 82009963097043AL560404A 008521972580091F 82293925024229AL588562A 008521972381010F 82293925024229AL588564A 008521972580041F 96077805003107AL540466A 008521972390062F 96077805003107AL540467A 008521972991003F 96077805003107AL540468A 008521972590023F 96077805003107AL540469A 008521972991013F 98152574000123AL560422A 008521972380003F 98152574000123AL560484A 008521972381021F 98152576000113AL560423A 008521972580003F 98152576000113AL560485A 008521972980023F 98152579000195AL560424A 008521972580113F 98152579000195AL560486A 008521972980100F 98152580000137AL560425A 008521972980091F 98152580000137AL560487A 008521972580021F 98152584000117AL560426A 008521972980092F 98152584000117AL560488A 008521972580022F 98152587000102AL560427A 008521972580012F 98152587000102AL560489A 008521972980103F 98152590000131AL560428A 008521972980080F 98152590000131AL560490A 008521972580143F 98152591000126AL560429A 008521972580121F 98152591000126AL560491A 008521972980101F /dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data >cp TSTDATA.dat TSTDATATEST.dat /dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data >cat TSTDATATEST.dat 82009963097043AL560404A 008521972580091F 82293925024229AL588562A 008521972381010F 82293925024229AL588564A 008521972580041F 96077805003107AL540466A 008521972390062F 96077805003107AL540467A 008521972991003F 96077805003107AL540468A 008521972590023F 96077805003107AL540469A 008521972991013F 98152574000123AL560422A 008521972380003F 98152574000123AL560484A 008521972381021F 98152576000113AL560423A 008521972580003F 98152576000113AL560485A 008521972980023F 98152579000195AL560424A 008521972580113F 98152579000195AL560486A 008521972980100F 98152580000137AL560425A 008521972980091F 98152580000137AL560487A 008521972580021F 98152584000117AL560426A 008521972980092F 98152584000117AL560488A 008521972580022F 98152587000102AL560427A 008521972580012F 98152587000102AL560489A 008521972980103F 98152590000131AL560428A 008521972980080F 98152590000131AL560490A 008521972580143F 98152591000126AL560429A 008521972580121F 98152591000126AL560491A 008521972980101F /dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data >cd .. /dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >echo $DIRDATA /dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data /dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >ls -l *.txt *.txt not found /dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >quiz dict=testdict Q U I Z (PowerHouse 8.23.D7) Copyright 2001 COGNOS INCORPORATED Licensed PH8-DEMO for customer: 0712570002 COGNOS HU DEMO Warning: Temporary licensing of PowerHouse Server products expires 15-May-2033. Please contact your local Sales Administration office for a permanent license. > execute TESTL0010TEST.qzc Records selected: 23 Records sorted: 23 Lines printed: 30 Pages printed: 1 > e /dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >ls -l *.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 dtestbat dtestgrp 3105 May 11 03:42 TESTL0010TEST.txt /dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >cat TESTL0010TEST.txt DATE - 2003/05/11 TEST BILLING SYSTEM REPORT - TESTL0010 TIME - 03:42 MONTHLY SYSTEM PROFILE -- ACCOUNT / TEST LINE PAGE - 1 ACCOUNT NO SUBSCRIBER NAME LINE NO. CALL ID ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------- 8229392502422 9AL588562A 008521972381010 008521972 580121F 981525 91000126AL560491 0085219725 80143F 9815259 1000126AL560429A 00852197298 0080F 98152590 000131AL560490A 008521972980 103F 981525900 00131AL560428A 0085219725800 12F 9815258700 0102AL560489A 0023F 96077805 003107AL540469 A 0085219729 003F 960778050 03107AL540468A 00852197259 00852197258002 2F 98152587000 102AL560427A 08521972980092 F 981525840001 17AL560488A 1972580113F 98 152579000195AL 560486A 0085 1F 96077805003 107AL540466A 0085219723900 DATE - 2003/05/11 TEST BILLING SYSTEM REPORT - TESTL0010 TIME - 03:42 MONTHLY SYSTEM PROFILE -- ACCOUNT / TEST LINE PAGE - 1 ACCOUNT NO SUBSCRIBER NAME LINE NO. CALL ID ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------- 8229392502422 9AL588562A 008521972381010 008521972 580121F 981525 91000126AL560491 0085219725 80143F 9815259 1000126AL560429A 00852197298 0080F 98152590 000131AL560490A 008521972980 103F 981525900 00131AL560428A 0085219725800 12F 9815258700 0102AL560489A 0023F 96077805 003107AL540469 A 0085219729 003F 960778050 03107AL540468A 00852197259 00852197258002 2F 98152587000 102AL560427A 08521972980092 F 981525840001 17AL560488A 1972580113F 98 152579000195AL 560486A 0085 1F 96077805003 107AL540466A 0085219723900 21972980100F 9 8152580000137A L560425A 008 2381021F 98152 576000113AL560 423A 0085219 380003F 981525 74000123AL5604 84A 00852197 521972980091F 98152580000137 AL560487A 00 62F 9607780500 3107AL540467A 008521972991 72580003F 9815 2576000113AL56 0485A 008521 82009963097043 AL560404A 008521972580091F 8521972580021F 9815258400011 7AL560426A 0 91013F 9815257 4000123AL56042 2A 008521972 972980023F 981 52579000195AL5 60424A 00852 F 822939250242 29AL588564A 00852197258004 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------- NO. OF ACCOUNT = 23 *** End of Report *** /dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >cd data /dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data >ls -l *.dat -rw-r--r-- 1 dtestbat dtestgrp 1035 May 11 03:39 TSTDATATEST.dat -rw-r--r-- 1 dtestbat dtestgrp 1035 May 11 03:14 TSTDATA.dat /dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data >cat TSTDATATEST.dat 82009963097043AL560404A 008521972580091F 82293925024229AL588562A 008521972381010F 82293925024229AL588564A 008521972580041F 96077805003107AL540466A 008521972390062F 96077805003107AL540467A 008521972991003F 96077805003107AL540468A 008521972590023F 96077805003107AL540469A 008521972991013F 98152574000123AL560422A 008521972380003F 98152574000123AL560484A 008521972381021F 98152576000113AL560423A 008521972580003F 98152576000113AL560485A 008521972980023F 98152579000195AL560424A 008521972580113F 98152579000195AL560486A 008521972980100F 98152580000137AL560425A 008521972980091F 98152580000137AL560487A 008521972580021F 98152584000117AL560426A 008521972980092F 98152584000117AL560488A 008521972580022F 98152587000102AL560427A 008521972580012F 98152587000102AL560489A 008521972980103F 98152590000131AL560428A 008521972980080F 98152590000131AL560490A 008521972580143F 98152591000126AL560429A 008521972580121F 98152591000126AL560491A 008521972980101F /dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data >cat TSTDATA.dat 82009963097043AL560404A 008521972580091F 82293925024229AL588562A 008521972381010F 82293925024229AL588564A 008521972580041F 96077805003107AL540466A 008521972390062F 96077805003107AL540467A 008521972991003F 96077805003107AL540468A 008521972590023F 96077805003107AL540469A 008521972991013F 98152574000123AL560422A 008521972380003F 98152574000123AL560484A 008521972381021F 98152576000113AL560423A 008521972580003F 98152576000113AL560485A 008521972980023F 98152579000195AL560424A 008521972580113F 98152579000195AL560486A 008521972980100F 98152580000137AL560425A 008521972980091F 98152580000137AL560487A 008521972580021F 98152584000117AL560426A 008521972980092F 98152584000117AL560488A 008521972580022F 98152587000102AL560427A 008521972580012F 98152587000102AL560489A 008521972980103F 98152590000131AL560428A 008521972980080F 98152590000131AL560490A 008521972580143F 98152591000126AL560429A 008521972580121F 98152591000126AL560491A 008521972980101F /dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data >/dtest/migration_data/convert_lseq2seq.exe 44 TSTDATA.dat TSTDATATEST.dat Successfully converted TSTDATA.dat into sequential. Out file : TSTDATATEST.dat /dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data >cat TSTDATATEST.dat 82009963097043AL560404A 008521972580091F82293925024229AL588562A 008521972381010F82293925024229AL588564A 008521972580041F96077805003107AL540466A 008521972390062F96077805003107AL540467A 008521972991003F96077805003107AL540468A 008521972590023F96077805003107AL540469A 008521972991013F98152574000123AL560422A 008521972380003F98152574000123AL560484A 008521972381021F98152576000113AL560423A 008521972580003F98152576000113AL560485A 008521972980023F98152579000195AL560424A 008521972580113F98152579000195AL560486A 008521972980100F98152580000137AL560425A 008521972980091F98152580000137AL560487A 008521972580021F98152584000117AL560426A 008521972980092F98152584000117AL560488A 008521972580022F98152587000102AL560427A 008521972580012F98152587000102AL560489A 008521972980103F98152590000131AL560428A 008521972980080F98152590000131AL560490A 008521972580143F98152591000126AL560429A 008521972580121F98152591000126AL560491A 008521972980101F/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data > cd .. /dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >quiz dict=testdict Q U I Z (PowerHouse 8.23.D7) Copyright 2001 COGNOS INCORPORATED Licensed PH8-DEMO for customer: 0712570002 COGNOS HU DEMO Warning: Temporary licensing of PowerHouse Server products expires 15-May-2033. Please contact your local Sales Administration office for a permanent license. > execute TESTL0010TEST.qzc Records selected: 23 Records sorted: 23 Lines printed: 30 Pages printed: 1 > e /dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >cat TESTL0010TEST.txt DATE - 2003/05/11 TEST BILLING SYSTEM REPORT - TESTL0010 TIME - 03:52 MONTHLY SYSTEM PROFILE -- ACCOUNT / TEST LINE PAGE - 1 ACCOUNT NO SUBSCRIBER NAME LINE NO. CALL ID ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------- 82009963097043 AL560404A 008521972580091F 82293925024229 AL588562A 008521972381010F AL588564A 008521972580041F 96077805003107 AL540466A 008521972390062F AL540467A 008521972991003F AL540468A 008521972590023F AL540469A 008521972991013F 98152574000123 AL560422A 008521972380003F AL560484A 008521972381021F 98152576000113 AL560423A 008521972580003F AL560485A 008521972980023F 98152579000195 AL560424A 008521972580113F AL560486A 008521972980100F 98152580000137 AL560425A 008521972980091F AL560487A 008521972580021F 98152584000117 AL560426A 008521972980092F AL560488A 008521972580022F 98152587000102 AL560427A 008521972580012F AL560489A 008521972980103F 98152590000131 AL560428A 008521972980080F AL560490A 008521972580143F 98152591000126 AL560429A 008521972580121F AL560491A 008521972980101F ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------- NO. OF ACCOUNT = 11 *** End of Report *** /dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest > On Thu, 15 May 2003 Edis, Robert wrote : >Raj > >Are you saying that you have explicit CR/LF chars in the file to terminate >each record? > >How are you producing this file? I.e. is it defined in the dictionary, is >it a subfile, or a dat (no sfd) file? > >Can you provide an example of the source that produces the records and reads >the records for us? >Can you give us the first two rows of the data file? >Can you provide the PDL file/record definition if it is defined in the PHD? >Can you tell us what component of PowerHouse you are writing/reading the >file with? (Quick, Quiz, QTP) > >Regards, >Blue > >-----Original Message----- > From: raj hanchan [mailto:raj_hanchan@rediffmail.com] >Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 10:23 AM >To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu >Subject: Is line sequential file read by PH on HP-UX 11i/9000 > > >Folks, > >I have been tinkering around with PH, over this particular problem >I am facing. But the PH manual, or Googling did not help. The >question seems to be very fundamental... > >My PH program generates a line sequential file (records separated >by newline, fixed length) okay. But then it is unable the read the >same file it has generated !!! I need to read this LS file, and >generate a report...but the report I get is all junk... > >*** My question is: Can PH read a line sequential input ? Or is it >that, it will _only_ accept sequential input as it is on UNIX ? > >I am using PH on HP-UX 11i. I'd appreciate if someone can answer >this question, as this seems very trivial, but I could gather no >info about this in the manuals, or on the web. > >Thanks in advance. > >Warm Regards, >Raj > >___________________________________________________ >Get www. mycompany .com and 5 matching email ids. >Just Rs. 1499/ year. >Click here http://www.rediffmailpro.com > >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu >Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu >Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to >powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu >http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l >This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu >Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu >Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu >http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l >This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. ___________________________________________________ Get www. mycompany .com and 5 matching email ids. 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Click here http://www.rediffmailpro.com From greig.morrison@sympatico.ca Thu May 15 17:00:00 2003 From: greig.morrison@sympatico.ca (greig.morrison@sympatico.ca) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:00:00 -0400 Subject: Excuting a script from a powerhouse program by sourcing it Message-ID: <20030515160000.CNGM29208.tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.20]> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=____1053014400613_G(LNn=ahOh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I tested the following example on SUN Solaris: screen test menu temp test-env char*100 initial "ls -l > test.log" field test-env display size 40 predisplay ;procedures procedure designer test begin IF NOT SETSYSTEMVAL("test", test-env) THEN ERROR "Could not set environment variable" run command "echo $test > test.sh" run command "chmod +x test.sh" run command "test.sh" end Cheers Greig > > From: karen d'souza > Date: 2003/05/15 Thu AM 10:05:18 EST > To: greig.morrison@sympatico.ca > Subject: RE: Excuting a script from a powerhouse program by sourcing it > > Hi, > > Well actually this is what i am trying to do is : > > DEFINE THE-COMMAND CHAR*120 = "ls -lt A.old* | awk '{ if (NR==2) print $9}'" > > IF NOT SETSYSTEMVAL("ABC",("RUN" + THE-COMMAND )) > THEN > ERROR > END > RUN COMMAND "echo $ABC > temp.log" > > Ans the variable is not being set > > Is it possible that when RUN is used it performs the same on another shell and that is why the variable is not being set . > > Regards > Karen > greig.morrison@sympatico.ca wrote: > Karen, > > If you are trying to set environment variables in the same shell as you Quick screen perhaps the solution would be to use the SETSYSTEMVAL function, also see GETSYSTEMVAL. Quiz, Qtp and other processes can then access these environment variables when run from your Quick session. > > example from the PowerHouse Rules manual: > > IF NOT SETSYSTEMVAL("QTP_PARMS", ("RUN" + RUN_REQ )) > > THEN ERROR "Could not set environment variable" > > Cheers, > Greig > > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 21:45:05 -0700 (PDT) > From: "karen d'souza" > Subject: Excuting a script from a powerhouse program by sourcing it (was: Run > command temp.sh) > To: Darren Reely > Cc: "'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu'" > > > --0-921749664-1052973905=:17649 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Apologies for the messedup subject, will take care next time onwards. > > > run command "temp.sh" & > > Yes, this will run tem.sh, but the shell does so by forking a new process, due > to which my exported variables from temp.sh are lost. I am trying to do `. temp. > sh', as I want to execute temp.sh in the _same_ shell. Is there a way I can run > temp.sh in the same shell ? > > Thanks in advance. > > Karen. > > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu > Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu > Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe > " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu > http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l > This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > ------=____1053014400613_G(LNn=ahOh Content-Type: text/html; name="reply" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="reply"
Hi,

Well actually this is what i am trying to do is :

DEFINE THE-COMMAND CHAR*120 = "ls -lt A.old* | awk '{ if (NR==2) print $9}'"

IF NOT SETSYSTEMVAL("ABC",("RUN" + THE-COMMAND ))

THEN

   ERROR

END

RUN COMMAND "echo $ABC > temp.log"

Ans the variable is not being set

Is it possible that when RUN is used it performs the same on another shell and that is why the variable is not being set .

Regards

Karen
greig.morrison@sympatico.ca wrote:

Karen,

If you are trying to set environment variables in the same shell as you Quick screen perhaps the solution would be to use the SETSYSTEMVAL function, also see GETSYSTEMVAL. Quiz, Qtp and other processes can then access these environment variables when run from your Quick session.

example from the PowerHouse Rules manual:
> IF NOT SETSYSTEMVAL("QTP_PARMS", ("RUN" + RUN_REQ ))
> THEN ERROR "Could not set environment variable"

Cheers,
Greig

Message: 5
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 21:45:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: "karen d'souza"
Subject: Excuting a script from a powerhouse program by sourcing it (was: Run
command temp.sh)
To: Darren Reely
Cc: "'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu'"

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Apologies for the messedup subject, will take care next time onwards.

> run command "temp.sh" &

Yes, this will run tem.sh, but the shell does so by forking a new process, due
to which my exported variables from temp.sh are lost. I am trying to do `. temp.
sh', as I want to execute temp.sh in the _same_ shell. Is there a way I can run
temp.sh in the same shell ?

Thanks in advance.

Karen.

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The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------=____1053014400613_G(LNn=ahOh-- From Robert.Edis@blistex.com Thu May 15 17:57:31 2003 From: Robert.Edis@blistex.com (Edis, Robert) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:57:31 -0500 Subject: Is line sequential file read by PH on HP-UX 11i/9000 Message-ID: <003EC701AC78D5119B180000D1EEC32C012F20F6@BLISTEXEXC> Good. I believe that PH understands only one type of sequential file under UNIX. On other platforms there is more variety. Contact Cognos for more info. Blue -----Original Message----- From: raj hanchan [mailto:raj_hanchan@rediffmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 11:52 AM To: Edis,Robert Subject: Re: RE: RE: Is line sequential file read by PH on HP-UX 11i/9000 Blue, It worked!!! Thanks a lot!!! now I am able to read line sequential file. I got your logic. But, by this can we conclude that powerhouse on HP-UX can not read line seq or anything we are missing at file organization level without declaring one more element LF. Is it really a problem in PH on HP-UX. Can I approach COGNOS on this for a fix. -Raj On Thu, 15 May 2003 Edis, Robert wrote : >Raj > >It appears to from that your record definition in the PHD needs >to have an >extra char added to it to handle the explicit LF. Just create a >new item >called 'LF' or whatever at the end of the record item list. > >Blue > >-----Original Message----- > From: raj hanchan [mailto:raj_hanchan@rediffmail.com] >Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 10:51 AM >To: Edis,Robert >Subject: Re: RE: Is line sequential file read by PH on HP-UX >11i/9000 > > >Blue, >Thanks for your prompt reply. Here is the test results of both >line seq and >seq. I have used a c program convert_lseq2seq.exe to convert from >line seq >to seq. > >About CR/LF yes i do see LF(\n with od -c command) in my line seq >data file. > > >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >ls -l *.pdl >-rwxr-xr-x 1 dtestbat dtestgrp 421 May 10 23:56 >TSTDATATEST.pdl >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >cat TSTDATATEST.pdl >element REC-KEY-TSTDATATEST CHARACTER size 28 >element ACCT-NO CHARACTER size 14 >element TEST-NO CHARACTER size 14 >element CALL-ID CHARACTER size 16 >file TSTDATATEST organization sequential & >open $DIRDATA/TSTDATATEST >record TSTDATATEST >item REC-KEY-TSTDATATEST datatype CHARACTER size 28 >begin structure >item ACCT-NO datatype CHARACTER size 14 >item TEST-NO datatype CHARACTER size 14 >end structure >item CALL-ID >load >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >ls -l *.pdc >-rw-r--r-- 1 dtestbat dtestgrp 12498 May 10 23:57 >testdict.pdc >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >ls -l TESTL0010TEST.* >-rw-r--r-- 1 dtestbat dtestgrp 1719 May 10 23:52 >TESTL0010TEST.QZS >-rw-r--r-- 1 dtestbat dtestgrp 5376 May 10 23:58 >TESTL0010TEST.qzc >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data >ls -l >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data >ls -l *.dat >-rw-r--r-- 1 dtestbat dtestgrp 1035 May 11 03:14 >TSTDATA.dat >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data >cat TSTDATA.dat >82009963097043AL560404A 008521972580091F >82293925024229AL588562A 008521972381010F >82293925024229AL588564A 008521972580041F >96077805003107AL540466A 008521972390062F >96077805003107AL540467A 008521972991003F >96077805003107AL540468A 008521972590023F >96077805003107AL540469A 008521972991013F >98152574000123AL560422A 008521972380003F >98152574000123AL560484A 008521972381021F >98152576000113AL560423A 008521972580003F >98152576000113AL560485A 008521972980023F >98152579000195AL560424A 008521972580113F >98152579000195AL560486A 008521972980100F >98152580000137AL560425A 008521972980091F >98152580000137AL560487A 008521972580021F >98152584000117AL560426A 008521972980092F >98152584000117AL560488A 008521972580022F >98152587000102AL560427A 008521972580012F >98152587000102AL560489A 008521972980103F >98152590000131AL560428A 008521972980080F >98152590000131AL560490A 008521972580143F >98152591000126AL560429A 008521972580121F >98152591000126AL560491A 008521972980101F >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data >cp TSTDATA.dat >TSTDATATEST.dat >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data >cat TSTDATATEST.dat >82009963097043AL560404A 008521972580091F >82293925024229AL588562A 008521972381010F >82293925024229AL588564A 008521972580041F >96077805003107AL540466A 008521972390062F >96077805003107AL540467A 008521972991003F >96077805003107AL540468A 008521972590023F >96077805003107AL540469A 008521972991013F >98152574000123AL560422A 008521972380003F >98152574000123AL560484A 008521972381021F >98152576000113AL560423A 008521972580003F >98152576000113AL560485A 008521972980023F >98152579000195AL560424A 008521972580113F >98152579000195AL560486A 008521972980100F >98152580000137AL560425A 008521972980091F >98152580000137AL560487A 008521972580021F >98152584000117AL560426A 008521972980092F >98152584000117AL560488A 008521972580022F >98152587000102AL560427A 008521972580012F >98152587000102AL560489A 008521972980103F >98152590000131AL560428A 008521972980080F >98152590000131AL560490A 008521972580143F >98152591000126AL560429A 008521972580121F >98152591000126AL560491A 008521972980101F >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data >cd .. >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >echo $DIRDATA >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >ls -l *.txt >*.txt not found >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >quiz dict=testdict >Q U I Z (PowerHouse 8.23.D7) >Copyright 2001 COGNOS INCORPORATED >Licensed PH8-DEMO for customer: 0712570002 COGNOS HU DEMO > >Warning: Temporary licensing of PowerHouse Server products >expires >15-May-2033. >Please contact your local Sales Administration office for a >permanent >license. > > > execute TESTL0010TEST.qzc > >Records selected: 23 >Records sorted: 23 >Lines printed: 30 >Pages printed: 1 > > > e >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >ls -l *.txt >-rw-r--r-- 1 dtestbat dtestgrp 3105 May 11 03:42 >TESTL0010TEST.txt >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >cat TESTL0010TEST.txt >DATE - 2003/05/11 TEST BILLING >SYSTEM >REPORT - TESTL0010 >TIME - 03:42 MONTHLY SYSTEM PROFILE -- >ACCOUNT / >TEST LINE PAGE - 1 > > ACCOUNT NO SUBSCRIBER NAME >LINE >NO. CALL ID >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >-------------------------------------------------------- > >8229392502422 >9AL588562A >008521972381010 > > 008521972 >580121F >981525 91000126AL560491 > > 0085219725 >80143F >9815259 1000126AL560429A > > 00852197298 >0080F >98152590 000131AL560490A > > 008521972980 >103F >981525900 00131AL560428A > > 0085219725800 >12F >9815258700 0102AL560489A > > 0023F >96077805 >003107AL540469 A >0085219729 > > 003F >960778050 >03107AL540468A >00852197259 > > 00852197258002 >2F >98152587000 102AL560427A > > 08521972980092 >F >981525840001 17AL560488A > > 1972580113F >98 152579000195AL >560486A >0085 > > 1F >96077805003 >107AL540466A >0085219723900 > >DATE - 2003/05/11 TEST BILLING >SYSTEM >REPORT - TESTL0010 >TIME - 03:42 MONTHLY SYSTEM PROFILE -- >ACCOUNT / >TEST LINE PAGE - 1 > > ACCOUNT NO SUBSCRIBER NAME >LINE >NO. CALL ID >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >-------------------------------------------------------- > >8229392502422 >9AL588562A >008521972381010 > > 008521972 >580121F >981525 91000126AL560491 > > 0085219725 >80143F >9815259 1000126AL560429A > > 00852197298 >0080F >98152590 000131AL560490A > > 008521972980 >103F >981525900 00131AL560428A > > 0085219725800 >12F >9815258700 0102AL560489A > > 0023F >96077805 >003107AL540469 A >0085219729 > > 003F >960778050 >03107AL540468A >00852197259 > > 00852197258002 >2F >98152587000 102AL560427A > > 08521972980092 >F >981525840001 17AL560488A > > 1972580113F >98 152579000195AL >560486A >0085 > > 1F >96077805003 >107AL540466A >0085219723900 > > 21972980100F >9 8152580000137A >L560425A >008 > > 2381021F >98152 576000113AL560 >423A >0085219 > > 380003F >981525 >74000123AL5604 84A >00852197 > > 521972980091F > 98152580000137 >AL560487A >00 > > 62F >9607780500 >3107AL540467A >008521972991 > > 72580003F >9815 2576000113AL56 >0485A >008521 > > 82009963097043 >AL560404A 008521972580091F > > 8521972580021F >9815258400011 7AL560426A 0 > > 91013F >9815257 >4000123AL56042 2A >008521972 > > 972980023F >981 52579000195AL5 >60424A >00852 > > F >822939250242 >29AL588564A >00852197258004 > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >-------------------------------------------------------- >NO. OF ACCOUNT = 23 > *** End >of Report >*** >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >cd data >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data >ls -l *.dat >-rw-r--r-- 1 dtestbat dtestgrp 1035 May 11 03:39 >TSTDATATEST.dat >-rw-r--r-- 1 dtestbat dtestgrp 1035 May 11 03:14 >TSTDATA.dat >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data >cat TSTDATATEST.dat >82009963097043AL560404A 008521972580091F >82293925024229AL588562A 008521972381010F >82293925024229AL588564A 008521972580041F >96077805003107AL540466A 008521972390062F >96077805003107AL540467A 008521972991003F >96077805003107AL540468A 008521972590023F >96077805003107AL540469A 008521972991013F >98152574000123AL560422A 008521972380003F >98152574000123AL560484A 008521972381021F >98152576000113AL560423A 008521972580003F >98152576000113AL560485A 008521972980023F >98152579000195AL560424A 008521972580113F >98152579000195AL560486A 008521972980100F >98152580000137AL560425A 008521972980091F >98152580000137AL560487A 008521972580021F >98152584000117AL560426A 008521972980092F >98152584000117AL560488A 008521972580022F >98152587000102AL560427A 008521972580012F >98152587000102AL560489A 008521972980103F >98152590000131AL560428A 008521972980080F >98152590000131AL560490A 008521972580143F >98152591000126AL560429A 008521972580121F >98152591000126AL560491A 008521972980101F >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data >cat TSTDATA.dat >82009963097043AL560404A 008521972580091F >82293925024229AL588562A 008521972381010F >82293925024229AL588564A 008521972580041F >96077805003107AL540466A 008521972390062F >96077805003107AL540467A 008521972991003F >96077805003107AL540468A 008521972590023F >96077805003107AL540469A 008521972991013F >98152574000123AL560422A 008521972380003F >98152574000123AL560484A 008521972381021F >98152576000113AL560423A 008521972580003F >98152576000113AL560485A 008521972980023F >98152579000195AL560424A 008521972580113F >98152579000195AL560486A 008521972980100F >98152580000137AL560425A 008521972980091F >98152580000137AL560487A 008521972580021F >98152584000117AL560426A 008521972980092F >98152584000117AL560488A 008521972580022F >98152587000102AL560427A 008521972580012F >98152587000102AL560489A 008521972980103F >98152590000131AL560428A 008521972980080F >98152590000131AL560490A 008521972580143F >98152591000126AL560429A 008521972580121F >98152591000126AL560491A 008521972980101F >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data > >/dtest/migration_data/convert_lseq2seq.exe 44 TSTDATA.dat >TSTDATATEST.dat >Successfully converted TSTDATA.dat into sequential. Out file : >TSTDATATEST.dat >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data >cat TSTDATATEST.dat >82009963097043AL560404A >008521972580091F82293925024229AL588562A >008521972381010F82293925024229AL588564A >008521972580041F96077805003107AL540466A >008521972390062F96077805003107AL540467A >008521972991003F96077805003107AL540468A >008521972590023F96077805003107AL540469A >008521972991013F98152574000123AL560422A >008521972380003F98152574000123AL560484A >008521972381021F98152576000113AL560423A >008521972580003F98152576000113AL560485A >008521972980023F98152579000195AL560424A >008521972580113F98152579000195AL560486A >008521972980100F98152580000137AL560425A >008521972980091F98152580000137AL560487A >008521972580021F98152584000117AL560426A >008521972980092F98152584000117AL560488A >008521972580022F98152587000102AL560427A >008521972580012F98152587000102AL560489A >008521972980103F98152590000131AL560428A >008521972980080F98152590000131AL560490A >008521972580143F98152591000126AL560429A >008521972580121F98152591000126AL560491A >008521972980101F/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data > cd .. >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >quiz dict=testdict >Q U I Z (PowerHouse 8.23.D7) >Copyright 2001 COGNOS INCORPORATED >Licensed PH8-DEMO for customer: 0712570002 COGNOS HU DEMO > >Warning: Temporary licensing of PowerHouse Server products >expires >15-May-2033. >Please contact your local Sales Administration office for a >permanent >license. > > > execute TESTL0010TEST.qzc > >Records selected: 23 >Records sorted: 23 >Lines printed: 30 >Pages printed: 1 > > > e >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >cat TESTL0010TEST.txt >DATE - 2003/05/11 TEST BILLING >SYSTEM >REPORT - TESTL0010 >TIME - 03:52 MONTHLY SYSTEM PROFILE -- >ACCOUNT / >TEST LINE PAGE - 1 > > ACCOUNT NO SUBSCRIBER NAME >LINE >NO. CALL ID >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >-------------------------------------------------------- > 82009963097043 >AL560404A 008521972580091F > > 82293925024229 >AL588562A 008521972381010F > >AL588564A 008521972580041F > > 96077805003107 >AL540466A 008521972390062F > >AL540467A 008521972991003F > >AL540468A 008521972590023F > >AL540469A 008521972991013F > > 98152574000123 >AL560422A 008521972380003F > >AL560484A 008521972381021F > > 98152576000113 >AL560423A 008521972580003F > >AL560485A 008521972980023F > > 98152579000195 >AL560424A 008521972580113F > >AL560486A 008521972980100F > > 98152580000137 >AL560425A 008521972980091F > >AL560487A 008521972580021F > > 98152584000117 >AL560426A 008521972980092F > >AL560488A 008521972580022F > > 98152587000102 >AL560427A 008521972580012F > >AL560489A 008521972980103F > > 98152590000131 >AL560428A 008521972980080F > >AL560490A 008521972580143F > > 98152591000126 >AL560429A 008521972580121F > >AL560491A 008521972980101F > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >-------------------------------------------------------- >NO. OF ACCOUNT = 11 > *** End >of Report >*** >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest > > > > > >On Thu, 15 May 2003 Edis, Robert wrote : > >Raj > > > >Are you saying that you have explicit CR/LF chars in the file >to terminate > >each record? > > > >How are you producing this file? I.e. is it defined in the >dictionary, is > >it a subfile, or a dat (no sfd) file? > > > >Can you provide an example of the source that produces the >records and >reads > >the records for us? > >Can you give us the first two rows of the data file? > >Can you provide the PDL file/record definition if it is defined >in the PHD? > >Can you tell us what component of PowerHouse you are >writing/reading the > >file with? (Quick, Quiz, QTP) > > > >Regards, > >Blue > > > >-----Original Message----- > > From: raj hanchan [mailto:raj_hanchan@rediffmail.com] > >Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 10:23 AM > >To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu > >Subject: Is line sequential file read by PH on HP-UX 11i/9000 > > > > > >Folks, > > > >I have been tinkering around with PH, over this particular >problem > >I am facing. But the PH manual, or Googling did not help. The > >question seems to be very fundamental... > > > >My PH program generates a line sequential file (records >separated > >by newline, fixed length) okay. But then it is unable the read >the > >same file it has generated !!! I need to read this LS file, >and > >generate a report...but the report I get is all junk... > > > >*** My question is: Can PH read a line sequential input ? Or is >it > >that, it will _only_ accept sequential input as it is on UNIX >? > > > >I am using PH on HP-UX 11i. I'd appreciate if someone can >answer > >this question, as this seems very trivial, but I could gather >no > >info about this in the manuals, or on the web. > > > >Thanks in advance. > > > >Warm Regards, > >Raj > > > >___________________________________________________ > >Get www. mycompany .com and 5 matching email ids. > >Just Rs. 1499/ year. > >Click here http://www.rediffmailpro.com > > > >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > >Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu > >Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to >powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu > >Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to > >powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu > >http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l > >This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a >subscriber. > >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > >Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu > >Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to >powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu > >Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to >powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu > >http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l > >This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a >subscriber. > >___________________________________________________ >Get www. mycompany .com and 5 matching email ids. >Just Rs. 1499/ year. >Click here http://www.rediffmailpro.com >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu >Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to >powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu >Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to >powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu >http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l >This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a >subscriber. ___________________________________________________ Get www. mycompany .com and 5 matching email ids. Just Rs. 1499/ year. Click here http://www.rediffmailpro.com From Martyn.Thomson@gems1.gov.bc.ca Thu May 15 18:15:07 2003 From: Martyn.Thomson@gems1.gov.bc.ca (Thomson, Martyn EDUC:EX) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:15:07 -0700 Subject: fieldmarking question? Message-ID: <0942C9E7BCB2164F997A601AF109877007362A@candle.gov.bc.ca> I have a screen that uses the fieldmark action - actionmenu label "Modify" action fieldmark menukey "M" It enables the client to arrow from label to label and then hit ENTER to access the field they wish to change. If the field statement has the "nochange" option, they get the message "Can't change the specified field(s)". My question is - is there any way I can make access to a field conditional in this scenario (i.e "nochange if..." aka "entry if")? I can't see a field option or anywhere I could add code to intercept this. There's no generated modify procedure I could tweak. I could put a test in the input procedure, but I want to make the field appear unavailable rather than generate an error message after the event. Is this at all possible?? is there an alternative approach? The only alternative I see and want to avoid is to move everything but the key input field to a subscreen and have 2 lookalike versions of the subscreen - one for each result of the conditional test. Martyn Thomson 7.10.G1 on OpenVMS AXP v7.2-1, Oracle Rdb V7.0-5. From Michael.Lee@mclsystemsinc.com Thu May 15 18:31:40 2003 From: Michael.Lee@mclsystemsinc.com (Michael Lee) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:31:40 -0700 Subject: fieldmarking question? References: <0942C9E7BCB2164F997A601AF109877007362A@candle.gov.bc.ca> Message-ID: <3EC3CEFB.862AF70F@mclsystemsinc.com> Hi Martyn, Quick generates default designer procedures for fields which are not accessible to the program BUT are which can be overridden. The designer procedure is tied to the ID # of the field in question so if field X has id # 03 then the following Quick code is generated PROCEDURE DESIGNER 03 ACCEPT X You can override this by entering in your own designer procedure as follows: PROCEDURE DESIGNER 03 BEGIN IF THEN ACCEPT X ELSE DISPLAY X END In order for the ACCEPT to work though you would have to remove the "NOCHANGE" option. In order to create a designer procedure for X that is similar to 'nochange' but which doesn't give the same error message you would enter the following: PROCEDURE DESIGNER 03 BEGIN DISPLAY X END Regards, Michael Lee MCL Systems Inc. "Thomson, Martyn EDUC:EX" wrote: > I have a screen that uses the fieldmark action - > > actionmenu label "Modify" action fieldmark menukey "M" > > It enables the client to arrow from label to label and then hit ENTER to > access the field they wish to change. > If the field statement has the "nochange" option, they get the message > "Can't change the specified field(s)". > My question is - is there any way I can make access to a field conditional > in this scenario (i.e "nochange if..." > aka "entry if")? > I can't see a field option or anywhere I could add code to intercept this. > There's no generated modify procedure > I could tweak. I could put a test in the input procedure, but I want to make > the field appear unavailable rather > than generate an error message after the event. > Is this at all possible?? is there an alternative approach? > The only alternative I see and want to avoid is to move everything but the > key input field to a subscreen and > have 2 lookalike versions of the subscreen - one for each result of the > conditional test. > Martyn Thomson > 7.10.G1 on OpenVMS AXP v7.2-1, Oracle Rdb V7.0-5. > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu > Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu > Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu > http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l > This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. From Dirk.Rohde@vpgroup.com Thu May 15 18:45:41 2003 From: Dirk.Rohde@vpgroup.com (Rohde Dirk) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:45:41 -0700 Subject: Is line sequential file read by PH on HP-UX 11i/9000 Message-ID: This is not a PowerHouse issue. Unix sequential files consist of streamed data, which means that any carriage returns or line feeds that are included, because the data was entered using "vi" or was transferred directly from another operating system, are treated as data. Another option instead of adding the linefeed character to the dictionary would be to convert the data using the Unix "dd" command with the "conv=block" option before accessing it as follows: dd if= of= cbs= conv=block Dirk Rohde VantagePoint Systems Inc. -----Original Message----- From: Edis, Robert [mailto:Robert.Edis@blistex.com] Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 9:58 AM To: Powerh-L (E-mail) Subject: RE: Is line sequential file read by PH on HP-UX 11i/9000 Good. I believe that PH understands only one type of sequential file under UNIX. On other platforms there is more variety. Contact Cognos for more info. Blue -----Original Message----- From: raj hanchan [mailto:raj_hanchan@rediffmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 11:52 AM To: Edis,Robert Subject: Re: RE: RE: Is line sequential file read by PH on HP-UX 11i/9000 Blue, It worked!!! Thanks a lot!!! now I am able to read line sequential file. I got your logic. But, by this can we conclude that powerhouse on HP-UX can not read line seq or anything we are missing at file organization level without declaring one more element LF. Is it really a problem in PH on HP-UX. Can I approach COGNOS on this for a fix. -Raj On Thu, 15 May 2003 Edis, Robert wrote : >Raj > >It appears to from that your record definition in the PHD needs >to have an >extra char added to it to handle the explicit LF. Just create a >new item >called 'LF' or whatever at the end of the record item list. > >Blue > >-----Original Message----- > From: raj hanchan [mailto:raj_hanchan@rediffmail.com] >Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 10:51 AM >To: Edis,Robert >Subject: Re: RE: Is line sequential file read by PH on HP-UX >11i/9000 > > >Blue, >Thanks for your prompt reply. Here is the test results of both >line seq and >seq. I have used a c program convert_lseq2seq.exe to convert from >line seq >to seq. > >About CR/LF yes i do see LF(\n with od -c command) in my line seq >data file. > > >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >ls -l *.pdl >-rwxr-xr-x 1 dtestbat dtestgrp 421 May 10 23:56 >TSTDATATEST.pdl >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >cat TSTDATATEST.pdl >element REC-KEY-TSTDATATEST CHARACTER size 28 >element ACCT-NO CHARACTER size 14 >element TEST-NO CHARACTER size 14 >element CALL-ID CHARACTER size 16 >file TSTDATATEST organization sequential & >open $DIRDATA/TSTDATATEST >record TSTDATATEST >item REC-KEY-TSTDATATEST datatype CHARACTER size 28 >begin structure >item ACCT-NO datatype CHARACTER size 14 >item TEST-NO datatype CHARACTER size 14 >end structure >item CALL-ID >load >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >ls -l *.pdc >-rw-r--r-- 1 dtestbat dtestgrp 12498 May 10 23:57 >testdict.pdc >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >ls -l TESTL0010TEST.* >-rw-r--r-- 1 dtestbat dtestgrp 1719 May 10 23:52 >TESTL0010TEST.QZS >-rw-r--r-- 1 dtestbat dtestgrp 5376 May 10 23:58 >TESTL0010TEST.qzc >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data >ls -l >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data >ls -l *.dat >-rw-r--r-- 1 dtestbat dtestgrp 1035 May 11 03:14 >TSTDATA.dat >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data >cat TSTDATA.dat >82009963097043AL560404A 008521972580091F >82293925024229AL588562A 008521972381010F >82293925024229AL588564A 008521972580041F >96077805003107AL540466A 008521972390062F >96077805003107AL540467A 008521972991003F >96077805003107AL540468A 008521972590023F >96077805003107AL540469A 008521972991013F >98152574000123AL560422A 008521972380003F >98152574000123AL560484A 008521972381021F >98152576000113AL560423A 008521972580003F >98152576000113AL560485A 008521972980023F >98152579000195AL560424A 008521972580113F >98152579000195AL560486A 008521972980100F >98152580000137AL560425A 008521972980091F >98152580000137AL560487A 008521972580021F >98152584000117AL560426A 008521972980092F >98152584000117AL560488A 008521972580022F >98152587000102AL560427A 008521972580012F >98152587000102AL560489A 008521972980103F >98152590000131AL560428A 008521972980080F >98152590000131AL560490A 008521972580143F >98152591000126AL560429A 008521972580121F >98152591000126AL560491A 008521972980101F >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data >cp TSTDATA.dat >TSTDATATEST.dat >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data >cat TSTDATATEST.dat >82009963097043AL560404A 008521972580091F >82293925024229AL588562A 008521972381010F >82293925024229AL588564A 008521972580041F >96077805003107AL540466A 008521972390062F >96077805003107AL540467A 008521972991003F >96077805003107AL540468A 008521972590023F >96077805003107AL540469A 008521972991013F >98152574000123AL560422A 008521972380003F >98152574000123AL560484A 008521972381021F >98152576000113AL560423A 008521972580003F >98152576000113AL560485A 008521972980023F >98152579000195AL560424A 008521972580113F >98152579000195AL560486A 008521972980100F >98152580000137AL560425A 008521972980091F >98152580000137AL560487A 008521972580021F >98152584000117AL560426A 008521972980092F >98152584000117AL560488A 008521972580022F >98152587000102AL560427A 008521972580012F >98152587000102AL560489A 008521972980103F >98152590000131AL560428A 008521972980080F >98152590000131AL560490A 008521972580143F >98152591000126AL560429A 008521972580121F >98152591000126AL560491A 008521972980101F >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data >cd .. >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >echo $DIRDATA >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >ls -l *.txt >*.txt not found >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >quiz dict=testdict >Q U I Z (PowerHouse 8.23.D7) >Copyright 2001 COGNOS INCORPORATED >Licensed PH8-DEMO for customer: 0712570002 COGNOS HU DEMO > >Warning: Temporary licensing of PowerHouse Server products >expires >15-May-2033. >Please contact your local Sales Administration office for a >permanent >license. > > > execute TESTL0010TEST.qzc > >Records selected: 23 >Records sorted: 23 >Lines printed: 30 >Pages printed: 1 > > > e >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >ls -l *.txt >-rw-r--r-- 1 dtestbat dtestgrp 3105 May 11 03:42 >TESTL0010TEST.txt >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >cat TESTL0010TEST.txt >DATE - 2003/05/11 TEST BILLING >SYSTEM >REPORT - TESTL0010 >TIME - 03:42 MONTHLY SYSTEM PROFILE -- >ACCOUNT / >TEST LINE PAGE - 1 > > ACCOUNT NO SUBSCRIBER NAME >LINE >NO. CALL ID >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >-------------------------------------------------------- > >8229392502422 >9AL588562A >008521972381010 > > 008521972 >580121F >981525 91000126AL560491 > > 0085219725 >80143F >9815259 1000126AL560429A > > 00852197298 >0080F >98152590 000131AL560490A > > 008521972980 >103F >981525900 00131AL560428A > > 0085219725800 >12F >9815258700 0102AL560489A > > 0023F >96077805 >003107AL540469 A >0085219729 > > 003F >960778050 >03107AL540468A >00852197259 > > 00852197258002 >2F >98152587000 102AL560427A > > 08521972980092 >F >981525840001 17AL560488A > > 1972580113F >98 152579000195AL >560486A >0085 > > 1F >96077805003 >107AL540466A >0085219723900 > >DATE - 2003/05/11 TEST BILLING >SYSTEM >REPORT - TESTL0010 >TIME - 03:42 MONTHLY SYSTEM PROFILE -- >ACCOUNT / >TEST LINE PAGE - 1 > > ACCOUNT NO SUBSCRIBER NAME >LINE >NO. CALL ID >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >-------------------------------------------------------- > >8229392502422 >9AL588562A >008521972381010 > > 008521972 >580121F >981525 91000126AL560491 > > 0085219725 >80143F >9815259 1000126AL560429A > > 00852197298 >0080F >98152590 000131AL560490A > > 008521972980 >103F >981525900 00131AL560428A > > 0085219725800 >12F >9815258700 0102AL560489A > > 0023F >96077805 >003107AL540469 A >0085219729 > > 003F >960778050 >03107AL540468A >00852197259 > > 00852197258002 >2F >98152587000 102AL560427A > > 08521972980092 >F >981525840001 17AL560488A > > 1972580113F >98 152579000195AL >560486A >0085 > > 1F >96077805003 >107AL540466A >0085219723900 > > 21972980100F >9 8152580000137A >L560425A >008 > > 2381021F >98152 576000113AL560 >423A >0085219 > > 380003F >981525 >74000123AL5604 84A >00852197 > > 521972980091F > 98152580000137 >AL560487A >00 > > 62F >9607780500 >3107AL540467A >008521972991 > > 72580003F >9815 2576000113AL56 >0485A >008521 > > 82009963097043 >AL560404A 008521972580091F > > 8521972580021F >9815258400011 7AL560426A 0 > > 91013F >9815257 >4000123AL56042 2A >008521972 > > 972980023F >981 52579000195AL5 >60424A >00852 > > F >822939250242 >29AL588564A >00852197258004 > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >-------------------------------------------------------- >NO. OF ACCOUNT = 23 > *** End >of Report >*** >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >cd data >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data >ls -l *.dat >-rw-r--r-- 1 dtestbat dtestgrp 1035 May 11 03:39 >TSTDATATEST.dat >-rw-r--r-- 1 dtestbat dtestgrp 1035 May 11 03:14 >TSTDATA.dat >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data >cat TSTDATATEST.dat >82009963097043AL560404A 008521972580091F >82293925024229AL588562A 008521972381010F >82293925024229AL588564A 008521972580041F >96077805003107AL540466A 008521972390062F >96077805003107AL540467A 008521972991003F >96077805003107AL540468A 008521972590023F >96077805003107AL540469A 008521972991013F >98152574000123AL560422A 008521972380003F >98152574000123AL560484A 008521972381021F >98152576000113AL560423A 008521972580003F >98152576000113AL560485A 008521972980023F >98152579000195AL560424A 008521972580113F >98152579000195AL560486A 008521972980100F >98152580000137AL560425A 008521972980091F >98152580000137AL560487A 008521972580021F >98152584000117AL560426A 008521972980092F >98152584000117AL560488A 008521972580022F >98152587000102AL560427A 008521972580012F >98152587000102AL560489A 008521972980103F >98152590000131AL560428A 008521972980080F >98152590000131AL560490A 008521972580143F >98152591000126AL560429A 008521972580121F >98152591000126AL560491A 008521972980101F >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data >cat TSTDATA.dat >82009963097043AL560404A 008521972580091F >82293925024229AL588562A 008521972381010F >82293925024229AL588564A 008521972580041F >96077805003107AL540466A 008521972390062F >96077805003107AL540467A 008521972991003F >96077805003107AL540468A 008521972590023F >96077805003107AL540469A 008521972991013F >98152574000123AL560422A 008521972380003F >98152574000123AL560484A 008521972381021F >98152576000113AL560423A 008521972580003F >98152576000113AL560485A 008521972980023F >98152579000195AL560424A 008521972580113F >98152579000195AL560486A 008521972980100F >98152580000137AL560425A 008521972980091F >98152580000137AL560487A 008521972580021F >98152584000117AL560426A 008521972980092F >98152584000117AL560488A 008521972580022F >98152587000102AL560427A 008521972580012F >98152587000102AL560489A 008521972980103F >98152590000131AL560428A 008521972980080F >98152590000131AL560490A 008521972580143F >98152591000126AL560429A 008521972580121F >98152591000126AL560491A 008521972980101F >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data > >/dtest/migration_data/convert_lseq2seq.exe 44 TSTDATA.dat >TSTDATATEST.dat >Successfully converted TSTDATA.dat into sequential. Out file : >TSTDATATEST.dat >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data >cat TSTDATATEST.dat >82009963097043AL560404A >008521972580091F82293925024229AL588562A >008521972381010F82293925024229AL588564A >008521972580041F96077805003107AL540466A >008521972390062F96077805003107AL540467A >008521972991003F96077805003107AL540468A >008521972590023F96077805003107AL540469A >008521972991013F98152574000123AL560422A >008521972380003F98152574000123AL560484A >008521972381021F98152576000113AL560423A >008521972580003F98152576000113AL560485A >008521972980023F98152579000195AL560424A >008521972580113F98152579000195AL560486A >008521972980100F98152580000137AL560425A >008521972980091F98152580000137AL560487A >008521972580021F98152584000117AL560426A >008521972980092F98152584000117AL560488A >008521972580022F98152587000102AL560427A >008521972580012F98152587000102AL560489A >008521972980103F98152590000131AL560428A >008521972980080F98152590000131AL560490A >008521972580143F98152591000126AL560429A >008521972580121F98152591000126AL560491A >008521972980101F/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest/data > cd .. >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >quiz dict=testdict >Q U I Z (PowerHouse 8.23.D7) >Copyright 2001 COGNOS INCORPORATED >Licensed PH8-DEMO for customer: 0712570002 COGNOS HU DEMO > >Warning: Temporary licensing of PowerHouse Server products >expires >15-May-2033. >Please contact your local Sales Administration office for a >permanent >license. > > > execute TESTL0010TEST.qzc > >Records selected: 23 >Records sorted: 23 >Lines printed: 30 >Pages printed: 1 > > > e >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest >cat TESTL0010TEST.txt >DATE - 2003/05/11 TEST BILLING >SYSTEM >REPORT - TESTL0010 >TIME - 03:52 MONTHLY SYSTEM PROFILE -- >ACCOUNT / >TEST LINE PAGE - 1 > > ACCOUNT NO SUBSCRIBER NAME >LINE >NO. CALL ID >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >-------------------------------------------------------- > 82009963097043 >AL560404A 008521972580091F > > 82293925024229 >AL588562A 008521972381010F > >AL588564A 008521972580041F > > 96077805003107 >AL540466A 008521972390062F > >AL540467A 008521972991003F > >AL540468A 008521972590023F > >AL540469A 008521972991013F > > 98152574000123 >AL560422A 008521972380003F > >AL560484A 008521972381021F > > 98152576000113 >AL560423A 008521972580003F > >AL560485A 008521972980023F > > 98152579000195 >AL560424A 008521972580113F > >AL560486A 008521972980100F > > 98152580000137 >AL560425A 008521972980091F > >AL560487A 008521972580021F > > 98152584000117 >AL560426A 008521972980092F > >AL560488A 008521972580022F > > 98152587000102 >AL560427A 008521972580012F > >AL560489A 008521972980103F > > 98152590000131 >AL560428A 008521972980080F > >AL560490A 008521972580143F > > 98152591000126 >AL560429A 008521972580121F > >AL560491A 008521972980101F > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >-------------------------------------------------------- >NO. OF ACCOUNT = 11 > *** End >of Report >*** >/dtest/data_conversion/cisamtest > > > > > >On Thu, 15 May 2003 Edis, Robert wrote : > >Raj > > > >Are you saying that you have explicit CR/LF chars in the file >to terminate > >each record? > > > >How are you producing this file? I.e. is it defined in the >dictionary, is > >it a subfile, or a dat (no sfd) file? > > > >Can you provide an example of the source that produces the >records and >reads > >the records for us? > >Can you give us the first two rows of the data file? > >Can you provide the PDL file/record definition if it is defined >in the PHD? > >Can you tell us what component of PowerHouse you are >writing/reading the > >file with? (Quick, Quiz, QTP) > > > >Regards, > >Blue > > > >-----Original Message----- > > From: raj hanchan [mailto:raj_hanchan@rediffmail.com] > >Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 10:23 AM > >To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu > >Subject: Is line sequential file read by PH on HP-UX 11i/9000 > > > > > >Folks, > > > >I have been tinkering around with PH, over this particular >problem > >I am facing. But the PH manual, or Googling did not help. The > >question seems to be very fundamental... > > > >My PH program generates a line sequential file (records >separated > >by newline, fixed length) okay. But then it is unable the read >the > >same file it has generated !!! I need to read this LS file, >and > >generate a report...but the report I get is all junk... > > > >*** My question is: Can PH read a line sequential input ? Or is >it > >that, it will _only_ accept sequential input as it is on UNIX >? > > > >I am using PH on HP-UX 11i. I'd appreciate if someone can >answer > >this question, as this seems very trivial, but I could gather >no > >info about this in the manuals, or on the web. > > > >Thanks in advance. > > > >Warm Regards, > >Raj > > > >___________________________________________________ > >Get www. mycompany .com and 5 matching email ids. > >Just Rs. 1499/ year. > >Click here http://www.rediffmailpro.com > > > >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > >Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu > >Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to >powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu > >Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to > >powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu > >http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l > >This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a >subscriber. > >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > >Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu > >Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to >powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu > >Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to >powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu > >http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l > >This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a >subscriber. > >___________________________________________________ >Get www. mycompany .com and 5 matching email ids. >Just Rs. 1499/ year. >Click here http://www.rediffmailpro.com >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu >Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to >powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu >Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to >powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu >http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l >This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a >subscriber. ___________________________________________________ Get www. mycompany .com and 5 matching email ids. Just Rs. 1499/ year. Click here http://www.rediffmailpro.com = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. From Martyn.Thomson@gems1.gov.bc.ca Thu May 15 18:54:37 2003 From: Martyn.Thomson@gems1.gov.bc.ca (Thomson, Martyn EDUC:EX) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:54:37 -0700 Subject: fieldmarking question? Message-ID: <0942C9E7BCB2164F997A601AF109877007362D@candle.gov.bc.ca> Because the screen uses fieldmarking, no field ID numbers were put on the screen, so I assumed I couldn't use that technique. However a quick test shows that the ID numbers are implied anyway and it works! Thanks for the suggestion. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Lee [mailto:Michael.Lee@mclsystemsinc.com] Sent: May 15, 2003 10:32 AM To: Thomson, Martyn EDUC:EX Cc: POWERHOUSE NEW (E-mail) Subject: Re: fieldmarking question? Hi Martyn, Quick generates default designer procedures for fields which are not accessible to the program BUT are which can be overridden. The designer procedure is tied to the ID # of the field in question so if field X has id # 03 then the following Quick code is generated PROCEDURE DESIGNER 03 ACCEPT X You can override this by entering in your own designer procedure as follows: PROCEDURE DESIGNER 03 BEGIN IF THEN ACCEPT X ELSE DISPLAY X END In order for the ACCEPT to work though you would have to remove the "NOCHANGE" option. In order to create a designer procedure for X that is similar to 'nochange' but which doesn't give the same error message you would enter the following: PROCEDURE DESIGNER 03 BEGIN DISPLAY X END Regards, Michael Lee MCL Systems Inc. "Thomson, Martyn EDUC:EX" wrote: > I have a screen that uses the fieldmark action - > > actionmenu label "Modify" action fieldmark menukey "M" > > It enables the client to arrow from label to label and then hit ENTER to > access the field they wish to change. > If the field statement has the "nochange" option, they get the message > "Can't change the specified field(s)". > My question is - is there any way I can make access to a field conditional > in this scenario (i.e "nochange if..." > aka "entry if")? > I can't see a field option or anywhere I could add code to intercept this. > There's no generated modify procedure > I could tweak. I could put a test in the input procedure, but I want to make > the field appear unavailable rather > than generate an error message after the event. > Is this at all possible?? is there an alternative approach? > The only alternative I see and want to avoid is to move everything but the > key input field to a subscreen and > have 2 lookalike versions of the subscreen - one for each result of the > conditional test. > Martyn Thomson > 7.10.G1 on OpenVMS AXP v7.2-1, Oracle Rdb V7.0-5. > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu > Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu > Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu > http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l > This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. From Michael.Lee@mclsystemsinc.com Thu May 15 18:53:26 2003 From: Michael.Lee@mclsystemsinc.com (Michael Lee) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:53:26 -0700 Subject: fieldmarking question? References: <0942C9E7BCB2164F997A601AF109877007362A@candle.gov.bc.ca> <3EC3CEFB.862AF70F@mclsystemsinc.com> Message-ID: <3EC3D416.1772133E@mclsystemsinc.com> --Boundary_(ID_ooSB5fdaS9xV3+gKB8YTiQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi All, Why is it that one does not see obvious grammatical errors until after an email is already sent? See correction below... Michael Lee wrote: > Hi Martyn, > > Quick generates default designer procedures for fields which are not accessible to the The following... > > program BUT are which can be overridden. The designer procedure is tied Should read... programmer BUT which can be overridden. The designer procedure is tied > to the ID # of the > field in question so if field X has id # 03 then the following Quick code is generated > > PROCEDURE DESIGNER 03 > ACCEPT X > > You can override this by entering in your own designer procedure as follows: > PROCEDURE DESIGNER 03 > BEGIN > IF > THEN ACCEPT X > ELSE DISPLAY X > END > > In order for the ACCEPT to work though you would have to remove the "NOCHANGE" option. > > In order to create a designer procedure for X that is similar to 'nochange' but which > doesn't give the same error message you would enter the following: > > PROCEDURE DESIGNER 03 > BEGIN > DISPLAY X > END > > Regards, > > Michael "Imperfect" Lee > MCL Systems Inc. --Boundary_(ID_ooSB5fdaS9xV3+gKB8YTiQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi All,
Why is it that one does not see obvious grammatical errors until after an email is already sent?
See correction below...

Michael Lee wrote:
Hi Martyn,
Quick generates default designer procedures for fields which are not accessible to the
The following...

program BUT are which can be overridden. The designer procedure is tied
Should read...
programmer BUT which can be overridden. The designer procedure is tied
to the ID # of the
field in question so if field X has id # 03 then the following Quick code is generated
PROCEDURE DESIGNER 03
ACCEPT X
You can override this by entering in your own designer procedure as follows:
PROCEDURE DESIGNER 03
BEGIN
   IF <whatevercondition>
   THEN ACCEPT X
   ELSE DISPLAY X
END
In order for the ACCEPT to work though you would have to remove the "NOCHANGE" option.
In order to create a designer procedure for X that is similar to 'nochange' but which
doesn't give the same error message you would enter the following:
PROCEDURE DESIGNER 03
BEGIN
   DISPLAY X
END
Regards,
Michael "Imperfect" Lee
MCL Systems Inc.
--Boundary_(ID_ooSB5fdaS9xV3+gKB8YTiQ)-- From Martyn.Thomson@gems1.gov.bc.ca Thu May 15 19:06:10 2003 From: Martyn.Thomson@gems1.gov.bc.ca (Thomson, Martyn EDUC:EX) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:06:10 -0700 Subject: fieldmarking question? Message-ID: <0942C9E7BCB2164F997A601AF109877007362E@candle.gov.bc.ca> Correction - there are field ID numbers but they are masked by the labels starting in the same position. -----Original Message----- From: Thomson, Martyn EDUC:EX [mailto:Martyn.Thomson@gems1.gov.bc.ca] Sent: May 15, 2003 10:55 AM To: 'Michael Lee' Cc: POWERHOUSE NEW (E-mail) Subject: RE: fieldmarking question? Because the screen uses fieldmarking, no field ID numbers were put on the screen, so I assumed I couldn't use that technique. However a quick test shows that the ID numbers are implied anyway and it works! Thanks for the suggestion. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Lee [mailto:Michael.Lee@mclsystemsinc.com] Sent: May 15, 2003 10:32 AM To: Thomson, Martyn EDUC:EX Cc: POWERHOUSE NEW (E-mail) Subject: Re: fieldmarking question? Hi Martyn, Quick generates default designer procedures for fields which are not accessible to the program BUT are which can be overridden. The designer procedure is tied to the ID # of the field in question so if field X has id # 03 then the following Quick code is generated PROCEDURE DESIGNER 03 ACCEPT X You can override this by entering in your own designer procedure as follows: PROCEDURE DESIGNER 03 BEGIN IF THEN ACCEPT X ELSE DISPLAY X END In order for the ACCEPT to work though you would have to remove the "NOCHANGE" option. In order to create a designer procedure for X that is similar to 'nochange' but which doesn't give the same error message you would enter the following: PROCEDURE DESIGNER 03 BEGIN DISPLAY X END Regards, Michael Lee MCL Systems Inc. "Thomson, Martyn EDUC:EX" wrote: > I have a screen that uses the fieldmark action - > > actionmenu label "Modify" action fieldmark menukey "M" > > It enables the client to arrow from label to label and then hit ENTER to > access the field they wish to change. > If the field statement has the "nochange" option, they get the message > "Can't change the specified field(s)". > My question is - is there any way I can make access to a field conditional > in this scenario (i.e "nochange if..." > aka "entry if")? > I can't see a field option or anywhere I could add code to intercept this. > There's no generated modify procedure > I could tweak. I could put a test in the input procedure, but I want to make > the field appear unavailable rather > than generate an error message after the event. > Is this at all possible?? is there an alternative approach? > The only alternative I see and want to avoid is to move everything but the > key input field to a subscreen and > have 2 lookalike versions of the subscreen - one for each result of the > conditional test. > Martyn Thomson > 7.10.G1 on OpenVMS AXP v7.2-1, Oracle Rdb V7.0-5. > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu > Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu > Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu > http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l > This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. From Allison.Hamilton@Cognos.COM Thu May 15 20:17:13 2003 From: Allison.Hamilton@Cognos.COM (Hamilton, Allison) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:17:13 -0400 Subject: fieldmarking question? Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31B16.971370D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I don't know if it would help, but there is a MARK/NOMARK option on the FIELD statement, that might also do what you want. -----Original Message----- From: Thomson, Martyn EDUC:EX [mailto:Martyn.Thomson@gems1.gov.bc.ca] Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 1:15 PM To: POWERHOUSE NEW (E-mail) Subject: fieldmarking question? I have a screen that uses the fieldmark action - actionmenu label "Modify" action fieldmark menukey "M" It enables the client to arrow from label to label and then hit ENTER to access the field they wish to change. If the field statement has the "nochange" option, they get the message "Can't change the specified field(s)". My question is - is there any way I can make access to a field conditional in this scenario (i.e "nochange if..." aka "entry if")? I can't see a field option or anywhere I could add code to intercept this. There's no generated modify procedure I could tweak. I could put a test in the input procedure, but I want to make the field appear unavailable rather than generate an error message after the event. Is this at all possible?? is there an alternative approach? The only alternative I see and want to avoid is to move everything but the key input field to a subscreen and have 2 lookalike versions of the subscreen - one for each result of the conditional test. Martyn Thomson 7.10.G1 on OpenVMS AXP v7.2-1, Oracle Rdb V7.0-5. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error or are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disseminate or distribute it; do not open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31B16.971370D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: fieldmarking question?
I don't know if it would help, but there is a = MARK/NOMARK option on the FIELD statement, that might also do what you = want.

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomson, Martyn EDUC:EX [mailto:Martyn.Thomson@gem= s1.gov.bc.ca]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 1:15 PM
To: POWERHOUSE NEW (E-mail)
Subject: fieldmarking question?

I have a screen that uses the fieldmark action - =

actionmenu label "Modify" action fieldmark = menukey "M"

It enables the client to arrow from label to label = and then hit ENTER to
access the field they wish to change.
If the field statement has the "nochange" = option, they get the message
"Can't change the specified = field(s)".
My question is - is there any way I can make access = to a field conditional
in this scenario (i.e "nochange = if..."
aka "entry if")?
I can't see a field option or anywhere I could add = code to intercept this.
There's no generated modify procedure
I could tweak. I could put a test in the input = procedure, but I want to make
the field appear unavailable rather
than generate an error message after the = event.
Is this at all possible?? is there an alternative = approach?
The only alternative I see and want to avoid is to = move everything but the
key input field to a subscreen and
have 2 lookalike versions of the subscreen - one for = each result of the
conditional test.
Martyn Thomson
7.10.G1 on OpenVMS AXP v7.2-1, Oracle Rdb = V7.0-5.
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C31B16.971370D0-- From ntietz@MCARE.MED.UMICH.EDU Fri May 16 16:28:28 2003 From: ntietz@MCARE.MED.UMICH.EDU (Nancy Tietz) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:28:28 -0400 Subject: can I do this - USE xfile - in the middle of a FOOTING stmt Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31BBF.CCC79040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On HP3000 mpe/ix PH Quiz vers 8 . It would be very convenient if I could get this to work: QUIZ Access xxx . . PAGE FOOTING & TAB 10 & USE STD1.USE (In this case the "&" causes Quiz not to like the "USE".) PAGE FOOTING & TAB 10 USE STD1.USE (In this case the absense of the "&" causes Quiz to see the USE file but it doesn't list the fields in the Footing.) Isn't there some way of inserting the USE file ? Like with a special character or something? Thank you in advance for your help. Nancy Tietz ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31BBF.CCC79040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Questionaire results
On HP3000 mpe/ix PH Quiz vers 8 .

It would be very convenient if I could get this to work:

QUIZ

Access xxx

.

.

PAGE FOOTING &

TAB 10 &

USE STD1.USE

(In this case the "&" causes Quiz not to like the "USE".)

PAGE FOOTING &

TAB 10

USE STD1.USE

(In this case the absense of the "&" causes Quiz to see the USE file but it doesn't list the fields in the Footing.)

Isn't there some way of inserting the USE file ? Like with a special character or something?

Thank you in advance for your help.

Nancy Tietz

------_=_NextPart_001_01C31BBF.CCC79040-- From guy.werry@hbms.ca Fri May 16 17:18:45 2003 From: guy.werry@hbms.ca (Guy Werry) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:18:45 -0500 Subject: can I do this - USE xfile - in the middle of a FOOTING stmt Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31BC6.D2D40250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Wy not just have the ENTIRE page footing in the USE file? After all, what your code snippet refers to seems to be a standard page footer anyways, so just standardize the entire thing. OR, I haven't tried this exact thing, but we have done similar things where we used a text editor or perhaps Streamx to take a Powerhouse "shell" program and modify the text and then send that modified program through Quiz (or Qtp). We used it mainly for building very flexible Choose / Select combinations, but I don't see why the technique couldn't be adapted. I believe the first option would be by far the better option. Guy L. Werry Senior Systems Analyst Hudson Bay Mining & Smelting Co., Limited. ---- -Original Message--- -- From: Nancy Tietz [mailto:ntietz@mcare.med.umich.edu] Sent: May 16, 2003 10:28 AM To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Cc: 'dtietz@msxi.com' Subject: can I do this - USE xfile - in the middle of a FOOTING stmt On HP3000 mpe/ix PH Quiz vers 8 . It would be very convenient if I could get this to work: QUIZ Access xxx . . PAGE FOOTING & TAB 10 & USE STD1.USE (In this case the "&" causes Quiz not to like the "USE".) PAGE FOOTING & TAB 10 USE STD1.USE (In this case the absense of the "&" causes Quiz to see the USE file but it doesn't list the fields in the Footing.) Isn't there some way of inserting the USE file ? Like with a special character or something? Thank you in advance for your help. Nancy Tietz ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31BC6.D2D40250 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Questionaire results
Wy not just have the ENTIRE page footing in the USE file? After all, what your code snippet refers to seems to be a standard page footer anyways, so just standardize the entire thing.

OR, I haven't tried this exact thing, but we have done similar things where we used a text editor or perhaps Streamx to take a Powerhouse "shell" program and modify the text and then send that modified program through Quiz (or Qtp).

We used it mainly for building very flexible Choose / Select combinations, but I don't see why the technique couldn't be adapted.

I believe the first option would be by far the better option.

Guy L. Werry

Senior Systems Analyst

Hudson Bay Mining & Smelting Co., Limited.

---- -Original Message---

--
From: Nancy Tietz [mailto:ntietz@mcare.med.umich.edu]
Sent: May 16, 2003 10:28 AM
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Cc: 'dtietz@msxi.com'
Subject: can I do this - USE xfile - in the middle of a FOOTING stmt

On HP3000 mpe/ix PH Quiz vers 8 .

It would be very convenient if I could get this to work:

QUIZ

Access xxx

.

.

PAGE FOOTING &

TAB 10 &

USE STD1.USE

(In this case the "&" causes Quiz not to like the "USE".)

PAGE FOOTING &

TAB 10

USE STD1.USE

(In this case the absense of the "&" causes Quiz to see the USE file but it doesn't list the fields in the Footing.)

Isn't there some way of inserting the USE file ? Like with a special character or something?

Thank you in advance for your help.

Nancy Tietz

------_=_NextPart_001_01C31BC6.D2D40250-- From shediac92@hotmail.com Fri May 16 17:21:42 2003 From: shediac92@hotmail.com (Peter Bateman) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:21:42 -0300 Subject: can I do this - USE xfile - in the middle of a FOOTING stmt Message-ID: Nancy: I don't think Powerhouse was designed to 'USE' part of a statement. What you need is a macro processor. Which QUIZ can be. In PDL File PARTIAL org sequential Record PARTIAL Item PARTIAL_USE_LINE File PARTIAL=STD1.USE Access PARTIAL Initial Heading & "PAGE FOOTING &" skip 1 & "TAB 10 &" skip 1 & Report PARTIAL_USE_LINE set report device disc name FULL set page length 0 width 132 go Instead of the statements plus STD1.USE USE FULL Other languages provide macro processors. You probably could define a QUIZ program within the context of the processor Just don't try to compile it just save the output to be USEd by QUIZ.! >From: Nancy Tietz >To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu >CC: "'dtietz@msxi.com'" >Subject: can I do this - USE xfile - in the middle of a FOOTING stmt >Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:28:28 -0400 > >On HP3000 mpe/ix PH Quiz vers 8 . >It would be very convenient if I could get this to work: > >QUIZ > >Access xxx >. >. >PAGE FOOTING & > TAB 10 & >USE STD1.USE > >(In this case the "&" causes Quiz not to like the "USE".) > >PAGE FOOTING & > TAB 10 >USE STD1.USE > >(In this case the absense of the "&" causes Quiz to see the USE file but it >doesn't list the fields in the Footing.) > >Isn't there some way of inserting the USE file ? Like with a special >character or something? >Thank you in advance for your help. >Nancy Tietz > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From robert.mills@windsong-services.co.uk Fri May 16 17:34:24 2003 From: robert.mills@windsong-services.co.uk (Robert Mills) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 17:34:24 +0100 Subject: can I do this - USE xfile - in the middle of a FOOTING stmt Message-ID: <948DEE88F18FD411AB9D0090275F5C350319D5C9@workstation.uk2> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31BC9.02B2BAF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Nancy, You can try the following: :echo PAGE FOOTING TAB 10 & > tempfile :print STD1.USE >> tempfile USE tempfile :purge tempfile,temp regards, Robert W.Mills Systems Development Manager Windsong Services (01689) 870622 x3005 -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Tietz [mailto:ntietz@MCARE.MED.UMICH.EDU] Sent: 16 May 2003 16:28 To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Cc: 'dtietz@msxi.com' Subject: can I do this - USE xfile - in the middle of a FOOTING stmt On HP3000 mpe/ix PH Quiz vers 8 . It would be very convenient if I could get this to work: QUIZ Access xxx . . PAGE FOOTING & TAB 10 & USE STD1.USE (In this case the "&" causes Quiz not to like the "USE".) PAGE FOOTING & TAB 10 USE STD1.USE (In this case the absense of the "&" causes Quiz to see the USE file but it doesn't list the fields in the Footing.) Isn't there some way of inserting the USE file ? Like with a special character or something? Thank you in advance for your help. Nancy Tietz ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31BC9.02B2BAF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Questionaire results
Nancy,

You can try the following:

:echo PAGE FOOTING  TAB 10 & > tempfile

:print STD1.USE >> tempfile

USE tempfile

:purge tempfile,temp

regards,

Robert W.Mills

Systems Development Manager

Windsong Services

(01689) 870622 x3005

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Tietz [mailto:ntietz@MCARE.MED.UMICH.EDU]
Sent: 16 May 2003 16:28
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Cc: 'dtietz@msxi.com'
Subject: can I do this - USE xfile - in the middle of a FOOTING stmt

On HP3000 mpe/ix PH Quiz vers 8 .

It would be very convenient if I could get this to work:

QUIZ

Access xxx

.

.

PAGE FOOTING &

TAB 10 &

USE STD1.USE

(In this case the "&" causes Quiz not to like the "USE".)

PAGE FOOTING &

TAB 10

USE STD1.USE

(In this case the absense of the "&" causes Quiz to see the USE file but it doesn't list the fields in the Footing.)

Isn't there some way of inserting the USE file ? Like with a special character or something?

Thank you in advance for your help.

Nancy Tietz

------_=_NextPart_001_01C31BC9.02B2BAF0-- From ntietz@MCARE.MED.UMICH.EDU Fri May 16 17:38:16 2003 From: ntietz@MCARE.MED.UMICH.EDU (Nancy Tietz) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 12:38:16 -0400 Subject: can I do this - USE xfile - in the middle of a FOOTING stmt Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31BC9.8D3541C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks, Robert! I like this solution the best. You win the cake today. nt : ) -----Original Message----- From: Robert Mills [mailto:robert.mills@windsong-services.co.uk] Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 12:34 PM To: 'Nancy Tietz'; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Cc: 'dtietz@msxi.com' Subject: RE: can I do this - USE xfile - in the middle of a FOOTING stmt Nancy, You can try the following: :echo PAGE FOOTING TAB 10 & > tempfile :print STD1.USE >> tempfile USE tempfile :purge tempfile,temp regards, Robert W.Mills Systems Development Manager Windsong Services (01689) 870622 x3005 -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Tietz [mailto:ntietz@MCARE.MED.UMICH.EDU] Sent: 16 May 2003 16:28 To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Cc: 'dtietz@msxi.com' Subject: can I do this - USE xfile - in the middle of a FOOTING stmt On HP3000 mpe/ix PH Quiz vers 8 . It would be very convenient if I could get this to work: QUIZ Access xxx . . PAGE FOOTING & TAB 10 & USE STD1.USE (In this case the "&" causes Quiz not to like the "USE".) PAGE FOOTING & TAB 10 USE STD1.USE (In this case the absense of the "&" causes Quiz to see the USE file but it doesn't list the fields in the Footing.) Isn't there some way of inserting the USE file ? Like with a special character or something? Thank you in advance for your help. Nancy Tietz ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31BC9.8D3541C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Questionaire results
Thanks, Robert!

I like this solution the best.

You win the cake today.

nt : )

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Mills [mailto:robert.mills@windsong-services.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 12:34 PM
To: 'Nancy Tietz'; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Cc: 'dtietz@msxi.com'
Subject: RE: can I do this - USE xfile - in the middle of a FOOTING stmt

Nancy,

You can try the following:

:echo PAGE FOOTING  TAB 10 & > tempfile

:print STD1.USE >> tempfile

USE tempfile

:purge tempfile,temp

regards,

Robert W.Mills

Systems Development Manager

Windsong Services

(01689) 870622 x3005

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Tietz [mailto:ntietz@MCARE.MED.UMICH.EDU]
Sent: 16 May 2003 16:28
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Cc: 'dtietz@msxi.com'
Subject: can I do this - USE xfile - in the middle of a FOOTING stmt

On HP3000 mpe/ix PH Quiz vers 8 .

It would be very convenient if I could get this to work:

QUIZ

Access xxx

.

.

PAGE FOOTING &

TAB 10 &

USE STD1.USE

(In this case the "&" causes Quiz not to like the "USE".)

PAGE FOOTING &

TAB 10

USE STD1.USE

(In this case the absense of the "&" causes Quiz to see the USE file but it doesn't list the fields in the Footing.)

Isn't there some way of inserting the USE file ? Like with a special character or something?

Thank you in advance for your help.

Nancy Tietz

------_=_NextPart_001_01C31BC9.8D3541C0-- From mao@krifapost.dk Mon May 19 08:31:16 2003 From: mao@krifapost.dk (Mikael A Olesen) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:31:16 +0200 Subject: Underflow Message-ID: Hello I have a qtp program that sometimes crash with the following error: *E* Floating point underflow occurred (number too small). *Fatal Error* *1370* Notify Cognos Customer Support The program runs on just about the same amount of data every time and most times it goes okay. Any good ideas? Kind Regards Mikael Olesen Software developer 10 Faustina Drive Knightspark TN23 3QW Ashford, Kent United Kingdom Phone 0044 (0) 1233 613029 From chris.sharman@ccagroup.co.uk Mon May 19 10:10:11 2003 From: chris.sharman@ccagroup.co.uk (Chris Sharman) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:10:11 +0100 Subject: Underflow In-Reply-To: <200305190853431211008@equus.ccagroup.co.uk> References: <200305190853431211008@equus.ccagroup.co.uk> Message-ID: <3EC89F73.2040808@ccagroup.co.uk> Mikael A Olesen wrote: > Hello > > I have a qtp program that sometimes crash with the following error: > > *E* Floating point underflow occurred (number too small). > *Fatal Error* *1370* Notify Cognos Customer Support > > The program runs on just about the same amount of data every time and most > times it goes okay. This is an arithmetic issue. You don't mention your platform, so I'll give a VMS example. The same arguments apply to all platforms though. F float (float*4) supports around 7 digits precision, in the range 10^-38 to 10^38. D float (alternate float*8) supports 16 digits precision, same range (10^-38 to 10^38). G float (float*8) supports 15 digits precision, range 10^-308 to 10^308. When the exponent goes beyond the upper bound (ie number too large to represent) that's a floating point overflow. When it goes beyond the lower bound, that's either a floating point underflow, or rounded to zero, depending on achitecture and configuration. (If you're just subtotalling numbers, rounding to zero is probably the desired behaviour - if you're multiplying, dividing, or doing anything more complex, you probably want an error. Look out for calculations that can have very small intermediate results, and use wider-ranging floats or rearrange your calculations (with parentheses) to ensure that intermediate results are OK. Eg. def a float*4 = 10^-20 def b float*4 = a*a*10^10 ; this will underflow (or round) on the a*a def b float*4 = a*(a*10^10) ; this will be ok Also be aware that defines are evaluated before selects, so calculations may be carried out on garbage, causing arithmetic errors, before record complexes are rejected. The example is for VMS, but the same argument applies to all architectures - it's just the names, sizes, precisions, and ranges of the floating point formats that may change - consult your manuals. Chris ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Any views expressed in this message are those of the sender and not necessarily those of CCA Group. The unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is forbidden. The contents of this message may be confidential and/or privileged, copyright CCA Group and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Whilst this message has been scanned, CCA Group cannot guarantee that it is virus free or compatible with your systems and accepts no responsibility for any loss or damage arising from its use. The recipient is advised to run their own anti-virus software. If you receive this message in error please contact postmaster@ccagroup.co.uk immediately, destroy any copies and delete it from your computer systems. From robert.mills@windsong-services.co.uk Mon May 19 10:21:03 2003 From: robert.mills@windsong-services.co.uk (Robert Mills) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:21:03 +0100 Subject: can I do this - USE xfile - in the middle of a FOOTING stmt Message-ID: <948DEE88F18FD411AB9D0090275F5C350319D5CA@workstation.uk2> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31DE7.F825BEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Nancy, Suggest that you change the print command from ':print STD1.USE >> tempfile' to ':print STD1.USE;page=0 >> tempfile'. If your STD1.USE file contains more that 23 lines and you are doing this in a session. If you don't, it will keep prompting you to press [return] after 'copying' every 23 lines. regards, Robert W.Mills Systems Development Manager Windsong Services (01689) 870622 x3005 -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Tietz [mailto:ntietz@MCARE.MED.UMICH.EDU] Sent: 16 May 2003 17:38 To: 'Robert Mills'; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Cc: 'dtietz@msxi.com' Subject: RE: can I do this - USE xfile - in the middle of a FOOTING stmt Thanks, Robert! I like this solution the best. You win the cake today. nt : ) -----Original Message----- From: Robert Mills [mailto:robert.mills@windsong-services.co.uk] Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 12:34 PM To: 'Nancy Tietz'; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Cc: 'dtietz@msxi.com' Subject: RE: can I do this - USE xfile - in the middle of a FOOTING stmt Nancy, You can try the following: :echo PAGE FOOTING TAB 10 & > tempfile :print STD1.USE >> tempfile USE tempfile :purge tempfile,temp regards, Robert W.Mills Systems Development Manager Windsong Services (01689) 870622 x3005 -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Tietz [mailto:ntietz@MCARE.MED.UMICH.EDU] Sent: 16 May 2003 16:28 To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Cc: 'dtietz@msxi.com' Subject: can I do this - USE xfile - in the middle of a FOOTING stmt On HP3000 mpe/ix PH Quiz vers 8 . It would be very convenient if I could get this to work: QUIZ Access xxx . . PAGE FOOTING & TAB 10 & USE STD1.USE (In this case the "&" causes Quiz not to like the "USE".) PAGE FOOTING & TAB 10 USE STD1.USE (In this case the absense of the "&" causes Quiz to see the USE file but it doesn't list the fields in the Footing.) Isn't there some way of inserting the USE file ? Like with a special character or something? Thank you in advance for your help. Nancy Tietz ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31DE7.F825BEE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Questionaire results
Nancy,

Suggest that you change the print command from ':print STD1.USE >> tempfile' to ':print STD1.USE;page=0 >> tempfile'.

If your STD1.USE file contains more that 23 lines and you are doing this in a session. If you don't, it will keep prompting you to press [return] after 'copying' every 23 lines.

regards,

Robert W.Mills

Systems Development Manager

Windsong Services

(01689) 870622 x3005

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Tietz [mailto:ntietz@MCARE.MED.UMICH.EDU]
Sent: 16 May 2003 17:38
To: 'Robert Mills'; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Cc: 'dtietz@msxi.com'
Subject: RE: can I do this - USE xfile - in the middle of a FOOTING stmt

Thanks, Robert!

I like this solution the best.

You win the cake today.

nt : )

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Mills [mailto:robert.mills@windsong-services.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 12:34 PM
To: 'Nancy Tietz'; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Cc: 'dtietz@msxi.com'
Subject: RE: can I do this - USE xfile - in the middle of a FOOTING stmt

Nancy,

You can try the following:

:echo PAGE FOOTING  TAB 10 & > tempfile

:print STD1.USE >> tempfile

USE tempfile

:purge tempfile,temp

regards,

Robert W.Mills

Systems Development Manager

Windsong Services

(01689) 870622 x3005

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Tietz [mailto:ntietz@MCARE.MED.UMICH.EDU]
Sent: 16 May 2003 16:28
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Cc: 'dtietz@msxi.com'
Subject: can I do this - USE xfile - in the middle of a FOOTING stmt

On HP3000 mpe/ix PH Quiz vers 8 .

It would be very convenient if I could get this to work:

QUIZ

Access xxx

.

.

PAGE FOOTING &

TAB 10 &

USE STD1.USE

(In this case the "&" causes Quiz not to like the "USE".)

PAGE FOOTING &

TAB 10

USE STD1.USE

(In this case the absense of the "&" causes Quiz to see the USE file but it doesn't list the fields in the Footing.)

Isn't there some way of inserting the USE file ? Like with a special character or something?

Thank you in advance for your help.

Nancy Tietz

------_=_NextPart_001_01C31DE7.F825BEE0-- From chris.sharman@ccagroup.co.uk Mon May 19 10:36:25 2003 From: chris.sharman@ccagroup.co.uk (Chris Sharman) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:36:25 +0100 Subject: Underflow In-Reply-To: <200305191019468991488@equus.ccagroup.co.uk> References: <200305191019468991488@equus.ccagroup.co.uk> Message-ID: <3EC8A599.5080904@ccagroup.co.uk> Chris Sharman wrote: > Look out for calculations that can have very small intermediate results, > and use wider-ranging floats or rearrange your calculations (with > parentheses) to ensure that intermediate results are OK. > Eg. > def a float*4 = 10^-20 > def b float*4 = a*a*10^10 ; this will underflow (or round) on the a*a > def b float*4 = a*(a*10^10) ; this will be ok Correction - I think PH uses float*8 for all intermediate calculations, so you won't see an error (on VMS) until you get a number closer to zero than 10^-308 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Any views expressed in this message are those of the sender and not necessarily those of CCA Group. The unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is forbidden. The contents of this message may be confidential and/or privileged, copyright CCA Group and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Whilst this message has been scanned, CCA Group cannot guarantee that it is virus free or compatible with your systems and accepts no responsibility for any loss or damage arising from its use. The recipient is advised to run their own anti-virus software. If you receive this message in error please contact postmaster@ccagroup.co.uk immediately, destroy any copies and delete it from your computer systems. From robert.mills@windsong-services.co.uk Mon May 19 14:45:48 2003 From: robert.mills@windsong-services.co.uk (Robert Mills) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 14:45:48 +0100 Subject: PowerHouse 'copy replacing' command (was: can I do this - USE xfi le - in the middle of a FOOTING stmt') Message-ID: <948DEE88F18FD411AB9D0090275F5C350319D5CF@workstation.uk2> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C31E0C.F4538160 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C31E0C.F4538160" ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31E0C.F4538160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Greetings, I have received several emails from people about my reply to Nancy Tietz's question where I suggested she use the following (updated) solution: :echo PAGE FOOTING TAB 10 & > tempfile :print STD1.USE;page=0 >> tempfile USE tempfile :purge tempfile,temp As a result of the interest I have decided to release a script (see attached) that some of you might find helpful. Here is print of the help screen that the script displays when invoked with no parameters: +----------------------------------------------------------------- | STDCOPY - PowerHouse USE command with text/token replacement. +----------------------------------------------------------------- | | Syntax: | :STDCOPY lib [ [token1] [rtext1] ] ... [] | use STDCIN | | Parameters: | lib Name of library file to be inserted. | token1 Token to be replaced by rtext1. | token2 Token to be replaced by rtext2. | token3 Token to be replaced by rtext3. | token4 Token to be replaced by rtext4. | token5 Token to be replaced by rtext5. | token6 Token to be replaced by rtext6. | | Restrictions: | Requires QUAD editor which is assumed to reside in PUB.SYS. | +----------------------------------------------------------------- Please Note: 0) This script is supplied as-is. No warranty is either given or implied (you paid nothing, so can claim nothing). Use at your own risk!! 1) This script is aimed at the HP3000 platform but it should not be too difficult to move it to another platform. 2) The method used to find the specified tokens is 'Literal, no wild card and no case check searching.' It will perform a character by character match after all of the alphabetic characters have been shifted to upper case. None of the characters of the search string will be treated as any kind of wild card. The current search method can easily be changed. Only a little understanding of QUAD is required (enter 'HELP MAT' at the QUAD prompt for more details). 3) You will have to edit lines 44 and 186 to tell the script where your 'library' files can be found. It currently expected them to be in the LIBRARY.SYSTEMS group. 4) You will have to edit line 192 of the script if your copy of QUAD is not in the PUB.SYS group. regards, Robert W.Mills Systems Development Manager Windsong Services (01689) 870622 x3005 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31E0C.F4538160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Greetings,

I have received several emails from people about my reply to Nancy Tietz's question where I suggested she use the following (updated) solution:

:echo PAGE FOOTING  TAB 10 & > tempfile

:print STD1.USE;page=0 >> tempfile

USE tempfile

:purge tempfile,temp

As a result of the interest I have decided to release a script (see attached) that some of you might find helpful. Here is print of the help screen that the script displays when invoked with no parameters:

+-----------------------------------------------------------------

| STDCOPY - PowerHouse USE command with text/token replacement.

+-----------------------------------------------------------------

|

| Syntax:

|   :STDCOPY lib [ [token1] [rtext1] ] ... []

|   use STDCIN

|

| Parameters:

|   lib    Name of library file to be inserted.

|   token1 Token to be replaced by rtext1.

|   token2 Token to be replaced by rtext2.

|   token3 Token to be replaced by rtext3.

|   token4 Token to be replaced by rtext4.

|   token5 Token to be replaced by rtext5.

|   token6 Token to be replaced by rtext6.

|

| Restrictions:

| Requires QUAD editor which is assumed to reside in PUB.SYS.

|

+-----------------------------------------------------------------

Please Note:

0) This script is supplied as-is. No warranty is either given or implied (you paid nothing, so can claim nothing). Use at your own risk!!

1) This script is aimed at the HP3000 platform but it should not be too difficult to move it to another platform.

2) The method used to find the specified tokens is 'Literal, no wild card and no case check searching.'

It will perform a character by character match after all of the alphabetic characters have been shifted to upper case.

None of the characters of the search string will be treated as any kind of wild card.

The current search method can easily be changed. Only a little understanding of QUAD is required (enter 'HELP MAT' at the QUAD prompt for more details).

3) You will have to edit lines 44 and 186 to tell the script where your 'library' files can be found. It currently expected them to be in the LIBRARY.SYSTEMS group.

4) You will have to edit line 192 of the script if your copy of QUAD is not in the PUB.SYS group.

regards,

Robert W.Mills

Systems Development Manager

Windsong Services

(01689) 870622 x3005

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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C31E0D.71BD10D0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C31E0D.71BD10D0" ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31E0D.71BD10D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Opps!!!! Forgot the attachment. Greetings, I have received several emails from people about my reply to Nancy Tietz's question where I suggested she use the following (updated) solution: :echo PAGE FOOTING TAB 10 & > tempfile :print STD1.USE;page=0 >> tempfile USE tempfile :purge tempfile,temp As a result of the interest I have decided to release a script (see attached) that some of you might find helpful. Here is print of the help screen that the script displays when invoked with no parameters: +----------------------------------------------------------------- | STDCOPY - PowerHouse USE command with text/token replacement. +----------------------------------------------------------------- | | Syntax: | :STDCOPY lib [ [token1] [rtext1] ] ... [] | use STDCIN | | Parameters: | lib Name of library file to be inserted. | token1 Token to be replaced by rtext1. | token2 Token to be replaced by rtext2. | token3 Token to be replaced by rtext3. | token4 Token to be replaced by rtext4. | token5 Token to be replaced by rtext5. | token6 Token to be replaced by rtext6. | | Restrictions: | Requires QUAD editor which is assumed to reside in PUB.SYS. | +----------------------------------------------------------------- Please Note: 0) This script is supplied as-is. No warranty is either given or implied (you paid nothing, so can claim nothing). Use at your own risk!! 1) This script is aimed at the HP3000 platform but it should not be too difficult to move it to another platform. 2) The method used to find the specified tokens is 'Literal, no wild card and no case check searching.' It will perform a character by character match after all of the alphabetic characters have been shifted to upper case. None of the characters of the search string will be treated as any kind of wild card. The current search method can easily be changed. Only a little understanding of QUAD is required (enter 'HELP MAT' at the QUAD prompt for more details). 3) You will have to edit lines 44 and 186 to tell the script where your 'library' files can be found. It currently expected them to be in the LIBRARY.SYSTEMS group. 4) You will have to edit line 192 of the script if your copy of QUAD is not in the PUB.SYS group. regards, Robert W.Mills Systems Development Manager Windsong Services (01689) 870622 x3005 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31E0D.71BD10D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PowerHouse 'copy replacing' command (was: can I do this - USE = xfile - in the middle of a FOOTING stmt')
Opps!!!! Forgot the attachment.

Greetings,

I have received several emails from people about my = reply to Nancy Tietz's question where I suggested she use the following = (updated) solution:

:echo PAGE FOOTING TAB 10 & > = tempfile
:print STD1.USE;page=3D0 >> tempfile
USE tempfile
:purge tempfile,temp

As a result of the interest I have decided to = release a script (see attached) that some of you might find helpful. = Here is print of the help screen that the script displays when invoked = with no parameters:

+--------------------------------------------------------------= ---
| STDCOPY - PowerHouse USE command with text/token = replacement.
+--------------------------------------------------------------= ---
|
| Syntax:
|   :STDCOPY lib [ [token1] [rtext1] ] ... = []
|   use STDCIN
|
| Parameters:
|   lib    Name of library = file to be inserted.
|   token1 Token to be replaced by = rtext1.
|   token2 Token to be replaced by = rtext2.
|   token3 Token to be replaced by = rtext3.
|   token4 Token to be replaced by = rtext4.
|   token5 Token to be replaced by = rtext5.
|   token6 Token to be replaced by = rtext6.
|
| Restrictions:
|   Requires QUAD editor which is assumed = to reside in PUB.SYS.
|
+--------------------------------------------------------------= ---

Please Note:

0) This script is supplied as-is. No warranty is = either given or implied (you paid nothing, so can claim nothing). Use = at your own risk!!

1) This script is aimed at the HP3000 platform but = it should not be too difficult to move it to another platform.

2) The method used to find the specified tokens is = 'Literal, no wild card and no case check searching.'
It will perform a character by character match after = all of the alphabetic characters have been shifted to upper = case.
None of the characters of the search string will be = treated as any kind of wild card.
The current search method can easily be changed. = Only a little understanding of QUAD is required (enter 'HELP MAT' at = the QUAD prompt for more details).

3) You will have to edit lines 44 and 186 to tell = the script where your 'library' files can be found. It currently = expected them to be in the LIBRARY.SYSTEMS group.

4) You will have to edit line 192 of the script if = your copy of QUAD is not in the PUB.SYS group.

regards,

Robert W.Mills
Systems Development Manager
Windsong Services
(01689) 870622 x3005

------_=_NextPart_001_01C31E0D.71BD10D0-- ------_=_NextPart_000_01C31E0D.71BD10D0 Content-Type: text/plain; name="PowerHouse COPY Command.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="PowerHouse COPY Command.txt" parm lib=3D'?' parm = token1=3D'*none*',rtext1=3D'',token2=3D'*none*',rtext2=3D'',token3=3D'*n= one*',rtext3=3D'' parm = token4=3D'*none*',rtext4=3D'',token5=3D'*none*',rtext5=3D'',token6=3D'*n= one*',rtext6=3D'' if lft('!lib',1) =3D '?' then setvar s chr(14) setvar b chr(14)+':'+chr(15) echo = ![s+'R;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;'= ] echo ![b+' STDCOPY - PowerHouse USE command with text/token = replacement.'] echo = ![s+'5;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;'= ] echo ![b+''] echo ![b+' Syntax:'] echo ![b+' :STDCOPY lib [ [token1] [rtext1] ] ... []'] echo ![b+' use STDCIN'] echo ![b+''] echo ![b+' Parameters:'] echo ![b+' lib Name of library file to be inserted.'] echo ![b+' token1 Token to be replaced by rtext1.'] echo ![b+' token2 Token to be replaced by rtext2.'] echo ![b+' token3 Token to be replaced by rtext3.'] echo ![b+' token4 Token to be replaced by rtext4.'] echo ![b+' token5 Token to be replaced by rtext5.'] echo ![b+' token6 Token to be replaced by rtext6.'] echo ![b+''] echo ![b+' Restrictions:'] echo ![b+' Requires QUAD editor which is assumed to reside in = PUB.SYS.'] echo ![b+''] echo = ![s+'F;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;'= ] # # Author: Robert W.Mills, (C) Clisby Computers, 2000 # # Modification History can be found at the end of this file. # deletevar s, b return endif #-- Validate input parameter values. setvar stdcopy_lib ups('!lib') setvar stdcopy_error 0 if not finfo('!lib.LIBRARY.SYSTEMS','exists') then setvar stdcopy_error 1 endif #-- Terminate if any errors were found. if stdcopy_error <> 0 then echo ; > stdcin echo ;*** ERRORS in Standard Copy Procedure ************ >> stdcin echo ; >> stdcin echo ; Parameters specified : >> stdcin echo ; >> stdcin echo ; Library file . . : !stdcopy_lib >> stdcin if '!token1' <> '*none*' then echo ; Token 1 . . . . : !token1 >> stdcin echo ; Replacement text : !rtext1 >> stdcin endif if '!token2' <> '*none*' then echo ; Token 2 . . . . : !token2 >> stdcin echo ; Replacement text : !rtext2 >> stdcin endif if '!token3' <> '*none*' then echo ; Token 3 . . . . : !token3 >> stdcin echo ; Replacement text : !rtext3 >> stdcin endif if '!token4' <> '*none*' then echo ; Token 4 . . . . : !token4 >> stdcin echo ; Replacement text : !rtext4 >> stdcin endif if '!token5' <> '*none*' then echo ; Token 5 . . . . : !token5 >> stdcin echo ; Replacement text : !rtext5 >> stdcin endif if '!token6' <> '*none*' then echo ; Token 6 . . . . : !token6 >> stdcin echo ; Replacement text : !rtext6 >> stdcin endif if stdcopy_error =3D 1 then echo ; >> stdcin echo ; Specified library file does not exist. >> stdcin endif echo ; >> stdcin echo ;************************************************** >> stdcin echo ; >> stdcin deletevar stdcopy_@ return endif #-- Create command stream to perform required changes. echo text stdcin > stdcopyc if '!token1' <> '*none*' then echo change |!token1|,|!rtext1|,all >> stdcopyc endif if '!token2' <> '*none*' then echo change |!token2|,|!rtext2|,all >> stdcopyc endif if '!token3' <> '*none*' then echo change |!token3|,|!rtext3|,all >> stdcopyc endif if '!token4' <> '*none*' then echo change |!token4|,|!rtext4|,all >> stdcopyc endif if '!token5' <> '*none*' then echo change |!token5|,|!rtext5|,all >> stdcopyc endif if '!token6' <> '*none*' then echo change |!token6|,|!rtext6|,all >> stdcopyc endif echo add .001 by .001 >> stdcopyc echo ;***** START OF COPY AND REPLACE CODE *************** >> stdcopyc echo ; >> stdcopyc echo ; Parameters specified : >> stdcopyc echo ; >> stdcopyc echo ; Library file . . : !stdcopy_lib >> stdcopyc if '!token1' <> '*none*' then echo ; Token 1 . . . . : !token1 >> stdcopyc echo ; Replacement text : !rtext1 >> stdcopyc endif if '!token2' <> '*none*' then echo ; Token 2 . . . . : !token2 >> stdcopyc echo ; Replacement text : !rtext2 >> stdcopyc endif if '!token3' <> '*none*' then echo ; Token 3 . . . . : !token3 >> stdcopyc echo ; Replacement text : !rtext3 >> stdcopyc endif if '!token4' <> '*none*' then echo ; Token 4 . . . . : !token4 >> stdcopyc echo ; Replacement text : !rtext4 >> stdcopyc endif if '!token5' <> '*none*' then echo ; Token 5 . . . . : !token5 >> stdcopyc echo ; Replacement text : !rtext5 >> stdcopyc endif if '!token6' <> '*none*' then echo ; Token 6 . . . . : !token6 >> stdcopyc echo ; Replacement text : !rtext6 >> stdcopyc endif echo ; >> stdcopyc echo ;---------------------------------------------------- >> stdcopyc echo ; >> stdcopyc echo // >> stdcopyc echo list last >> stdcopyc echo add >> stdcopyc echo ; >> stdcopyc echo ;***** END OF COPY AND REPLACE CODE ***************** >> stdcopyc echo ; >> stdcopyc echo // >> stdcopyc echo keep >> stdcopyc echo exit >> stdcopyc #-- Create the stdcin file for use by PowerHouse. purge stdcin,temp > $null file stdcin;temp copy !stdcopy_lib.LIBRARY.SYSTEMS,*stdcin setjcw quadyes=3D1 setjcw quadreadonly=3D1 continue run quad.pub.sys < stdcopyc > $null #-- Tidy up. setjcw quadyes=3D0 setjcw quadreadonly=3D0 deletevar stdcopy_@ return #-- DO NOT ENTER EXECUTABLE CODE AFTER ABOVE 'RETURN' STATEMENT. Modification History: Versn | Date | Who | Reason for Change ------+------------+-----+------------------------------------------ 01.00 | 17/02/2000 | RWM | Initial version. 01.01 | 15/05/2003 | RWM | Corrected error in display of help text. #=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D # End of command file. #=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ------_=_NextPart_000_01C31E0D.71BD10D0-- From ntietz@MCARE.MED.UMICH.EDU Mon May 19 16:12:12 2003 From: ntietz@MCARE.MED.UMICH.EDU (Nancy Tietz) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 11:12:12 -0400 Subject: Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or something Message-ID: Dear ListServer, Below is a further problem this programmer is having with the same Quiz on which Robert Mills assisted. (By the way, the USE STD1.use file was approx. 200 lines long to get a 14 line footer, and it was needed in 6 footing at's.) Now, some sort of MAX has been reached. The old program that worked had 4 sort items and only 1 footer line. The new program needs to have 6 sort items and 6 footing at statements. Each of those footing at stmt's has this 200 line temp 'use' file in it. There is only 1 file being accessed at the top. Result: It stops printing in the middle of a footer and gives this message: *Fatal Error* *45* Notify Cognos Customer Support Also, if 1 footing line is removed, it does work. However all 6 footing at stmt's are necessary. See below for what all else we tried. Thank you for your kind help. Nancy -----Original Message----- From: Derrick Tietz [mailto:DTietz@msxi.com] Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:33 AM To: ntietz@MCARE.MED.UMICH.EDU Subject: RE: Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or something Do you have time to pose this question to the list server? The quizscr= and quizsort = has not helped. *Fatal Error* *45* Notify Cognos Customer Support I have 6 sorts 6 footings. Each footing has 10 lines and 13 columns. It runs without error with any variation of 3 footings but not 4 footings. It stops in the middle of one of the footings (not a particular one). >>> Nancy Tietz 05/16/03 01:43PM >>> also try file quizscr;disc=90000 or some number this is the file equate for the quiz scratch file... I hope I have the right name there. nt -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Tietz Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 1:37 PM To: 'Derrick Tietz' Subject: RE: Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or something no I don't know what to do. It must be a very big quiz program. Lots of linkages and define statements etc. ? Are you sure it isn't a Sort issue? try this before quiz runs: file quizsort;disc=90000 or adjust the size nt -----Original Message----- From: Derrick Tietz [mailto:DTietz@msxi.com] Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 1:30 PM To: ntietz@MCARE.MED.UMICH.EDU Subject: Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or something Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or something *Fatal Error* *45* Notify Cognos Customer Support I kept adding footings at different sorts. I have 6 sorts 6 footings. I took out the use and got the same error. Have you ever got this? It stops in the middle of one of the footings. Derrick Tietz Oracle Developer (OCP) From ntietz@MCARE.MED.UMICH.EDU Mon May 19 16:22:31 2003 From: ntietz@MCARE.MED.UMICH.EDU (Nancy Tietz) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 11:22:31 -0400 Subject: Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or somet hing Message-ID: latest news: "by removing unneeded fields in the input subfile I now can show 4 footings but not 5." nt -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Tietz Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:12 AM To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' Cc: 'dtietz@msxi.com' Subject: Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or something Importance: High Dear ListServer, Below is a further problem this programmer is having with the same Quiz on which Robert Mills assisted. (By the way, the USE STD1.use file was approx. 200 lines long to get a 14 line footer, and it was needed in 6 footing at's.) Now, some sort of MAX has been reached. The old program that worked had 4 sort items and only 1 footer line. The new program needs to have 6 sort items and 6 footing at statements. Each of those footing at stmt's has this 200 line temp 'use' file in it. There is only 1 file being accessed at the top. Result: It stops printing in the middle of a footer and gives this message: *Fatal Error* *45* Notify Cognos Customer Support Also, if 1 footing line is removed, it does work. However all 6 footing at stmt's are necessary. See below for what all else we tried. Thank you for your kind help. Nancy -----Original Message----- From: Derrick Tietz [mailto:DTietz@msxi.com] Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:33 AM To: ntietz@MCARE.MED.UMICH.EDU Subject: RE: Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or something Do you have time to pose this question to the list server? The quizscr= and quizsort = has not helped. *Fatal Error* *45* Notify Cognos Customer Support I have 6 sorts 6 footings. Each footing has 10 lines and 13 columns. It runs without error with any variation of 3 footings but not 4 footings. It stops in the middle of one of the footings (not a particular one). From darren.reely@latticesemi.com Mon May 19 17:39:25 2003 From: darren.reely@latticesemi.com (Darren Reely) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:39:25 -0700 Subject: Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or something References: Message-ID: <3EC908BD.40707@latticesemi.com> Nancy, Six footings should work. I have reports with 4, 5, 6 and even 7 footings. This is under PH 8.23.D7 on Solaris and Oracle. Break down the problem. First limit the number of records you fetch to say 1000 or less. Comment out all but one footing to see if a particular footing is causing the problem. Repeat 6 times. Powerhouse can give misleading errors. Stop panicing every time you have a problem. More often than not, it is programmer error or lack of knowledge that must be learned. Darren. Nancy Tietz wrote: >Dear ListServer, >Below is a further problem this programmer is having with the same Quiz on >which Robert Mills assisted. > >(By the way, the USE STD1.use file was approx. 200 lines long to get a 14 >line footer, and it was needed in 6 footing at's.) > >Now, some sort of MAX has been reached. The old program that worked had 4 >sort items and only 1 footer line. The new program needs to have 6 sort >items and 6 footing at statements. Each of those footing at stmt's has this >200 line temp 'use' file in it. There is only 1 file being accessed at the >top. > >Result: It stops printing in the middle of a footer and gives this message: > *Fatal Error* *45* Notify Cognos Customer Support > >Also, if 1 footing line is removed, it does work. However all 6 footing at >stmt's are necessary. See below for what all else we tried. > >Thank you for your kind help. >Nancy > >-----Original Message----- >From: Derrick Tietz [mailto:DTietz@msxi.com] >Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:33 AM >To: ntietz@MCARE.MED.UMICH.EDU >Subject: RE: Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or >something > > >Do you have time to pose this question to the list server? The quizscr= >and quizsort = has not helped. > *Fatal Error* *45* Notify Cognos Customer Support > >I have 6 sorts 6 footings. Each footing has 10 lines and 13 columns. >It runs without error with any variation of 3 footings but not 4 >footings. It stops in the middle of one of the footings (not a >particular one). > > > > > > > >>>>Nancy Tietz 05/16/03 01:43PM >>> >>>> >>>> >also try >file quizscr;disc=90000 or some number > >this is the file equate for the quiz scratch file... I hope I have the >right >name there. >nt > >-----Original Message----- >From: Nancy Tietz >Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 1:37 PM >To: 'Derrick Tietz' >Subject: RE: Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or >something > > >no I don't know what to do. It must be a very big quiz program. Lots >of >linkages and define statements etc. ? Are you sure it isn't a Sort >issue? >try this before quiz runs: >file quizsort;disc=90000 >or adjust the size >nt > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Derrick Tietz [mailto:DTietz@msxi.com] >Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 1:30 PM >To: ntietz@MCARE.MED.UMICH.EDU >Subject: Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or >something > > >Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or something > *Fatal Error* *45* Notify Cognos Customer Support > >I kept adding footings at different sorts. I have 6 sorts 6 footings. >I >took out the use and got the same error. Have you ever got this? It >stops in the middle of one of the footings. > >Derrick Tietz >Oracle Developer (OCP) >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu >Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu >Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu >http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l >This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. > > From Robert.Edis@blistex.com Mon May 19 21:46:34 2003 From: Robert.Edis@blistex.com (Edis, Robert) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 15:46:34 -0500 Subject: Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or somet hing Message-ID: <003EC701AC78D5119B180000D1EEC32C012F2110@BLISTEXEXC> I am wondering if you have reached an internal variable limit for Quiz. Bob D., is there a limit on the number of bytes available for Quiz to use in defined and record items? I know there is one in Quick. Blue -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Tietz [mailto:ntietz@MCARE.MED.UMICH.EDU] Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:23 AM To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' Cc: 'dtietz@msxi.com' Subject: RE: Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or somet hing latest news: "by removing unneeded fields in the input subfile I now can show 4 footings but not 5." nt -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Tietz Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:12 AM To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' Cc: 'dtietz@msxi.com' Subject: Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or something Importance: High Dear ListServer, Below is a further problem this programmer is having with the same Quiz on which Robert Mills assisted. (By the way, the USE STD1.use file was approx. 200 lines long to get a 14 line footer, and it was needed in 6 footing at's.) Now, some sort of MAX has been reached. The old program that worked had 4 sort items and only 1 footer line. The new program needs to have 6 sort items and 6 footing at statements. Each of those footing at stmt's has this 200 line temp 'use' file in it. There is only 1 file being accessed at the top. Result: It stops printing in the middle of a footer and gives this message: *Fatal Error* *45* Notify Cognos Customer Support Also, if 1 footing line is removed, it does work. However all 6 footing at stmt's are necessary. See below for what all else we tried. Thank you for your kind help. Nancy -----Original Message----- From: Derrick Tietz [mailto:DTietz@msxi.com] Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:33 AM To: ntietz@MCARE.MED.UMICH.EDU Subject: RE: Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or something Do you have time to pose this question to the list server? The quizscr= and quizsort = has not helped. *Fatal Error* *45* Notify Cognos Customer Support I have 6 sorts 6 footings. Each footing has 10 lines and 13 columns. It runs without error with any variation of 3 footings but not 4 footings. It stops in the middle of one of the footings (not a particular one). = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. From reasegurator@ole.com Tue May 20 08:04:43 2003 From: reasegurator@ole.com (Daniel Rodriguez) Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:04:43 +0200 Subject: Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or somet hing Message-ID: <1053414283.3ec9d38b474cb@www.fersa-systems.com> There is a record buffer limit of 32767 bytes. QTP shows: *E* Size of record buffers is 92436 which exceeds limit of 32767 bytes *E* There were errors in the source code. GO not performed. In QUIZ, if you reach it: Code Trap : 01710011000 00002320117 00000000362 00000000022 *E* Memory fault (invalid address). *Fatal Error* *1374* Notify Cognos Customer Support Do you want a QDUMP file produced?(Y/N) This is in HP3000/TurboImage/PowerHouse 8.29.D3 Have a good day, Daniel Rodriguez Madrid(Spain) From ntietz@MCARE.MED.UMICH.EDU Tue May 20 13:55:01 2003 From: ntietz@MCARE.MED.UMICH.EDU (Nancy Tietz) Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 08:55:01 -0400 Subject: Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or somet hing Message-ID: Yeah, it is an important report and it has a lot of calculations and pic's in the footings that are 'use'd in all 6 levels. The programmer is still working on it trying various things to simplify. But I was thinking that a statement like FILE QUIZSCR;DISC=2000000 or FILE QUIZSORT;DISC=2000000 or something similar might help. I'd hate to see him have to put the whole stupid report to disc and add the footings in separate steps. Thanks for your kind words, nt -----Original Message----- From: Andreas Argyriou [mailto:aargyriou@vivodi.gr] Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:08 AM To: Nancy Tietz Subject: RE: Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or something Nancy, It sounds like you hit some type of max or something, as you say. I remember something similar about 14 years ago on a DG AOS/VS machine and Powerhouse version 5.3.4 or something similar. I was not getting any error, quiz just aborted when compiling. I had to remove levels of footings, remove items etc. Another thing that helped was to move any formatting stuff (pic, bwz etc.) for defined items from the reporting/footing statements section to the define statements. It took me about a week to get the program to compile. I believe that a report with 6 levels of footings with 30 fields for each level is unreadable. Management insisted that the report was necessary so we had to do it. However, it was never used. Just trying to help. Andreas Argyriou Athens, Greece -----Original Message----- From: powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu]On Behalf Of Nancy Tietz Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:23 PM To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' Cc: 'dtietz@msxi.com' Subject: RE: Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or something latest news: "by removing unneeded fields in the input subfile I now can show 4 footings but not 5." nt -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Tietz Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:12 AM To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' Cc: 'dtietz@msxi.com' Subject: Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or something Importance: High Dear ListServer, Below is a further problem this programmer is having with the same Quiz on which Robert Mills assisted. (By the way, the USE STD1.use file was approx. 200 lines long to get a 14 line footer, and it was needed in 6 footing at's.) Now, some sort of MAX has been reached. The old program that worked had 4 sort items and only 1 footer line. The new program needs to have 6 sort items and 6 footing at statements. Each of those footing at stmt's has this 200 line temp 'use' file in it. There is only 1 file being accessed at the top. Result: It stops printing in the middle of a footer and gives this message: *Fatal Error* *45* Notify Cognos Customer Support Also, if 1 footing line is removed, it does work. However all 6 footing at stmt's are necessary. See below for what all else we tried. Thank you for your kind help. Nancy -----Original Message----- From: Derrick Tietz [mailto:DTietz@msxi.com] Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:33 AM To: ntietz@MCARE.MED.UMICH.EDU Subject: RE: Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or something Do you have time to pose this question to the list server? The quizscr= and quizsort = has not helped. *Fatal Error* *45* Notify Cognos Customer Support I have 6 sorts 6 footings. Each footing has 10 lines and 13 columns. It runs without error with any variation of 3 footings but not 4 footings. It stops in the middle of one of the footings (not a particular one). = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. From dennis@dhassell.com Tue May 20 15:57:23 2003 From: dennis@dhassell.com (dennis@dhassell.com) Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:57:23 -0400 Subject: Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or something In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001301c31ee0$1fe58930$800101df@DHA05> I had a difficult report one time, where they needed subtotals in the headings and other unusual stuff. I built an intermediate file where the first few bytes were keys which determined the order of the final report lines, and the rest of the record was the content. I also had format flags which triggered IF-THEN's in the final report to alter the format. I then took several QTP (could use Quiz) steps to build and append the subfile. How that applies here might be the ability to break the footing generation steps into more manageable sizes and hey keep it all within a Powerhouse context. (I'm suspicious, but I couldn't confirm it, that there is a character limit on the parsing buffers in Quiz - I would assume you'd get an error that would point more clearly there, but maybe not. My guess would be somewhere between 4k and 32k length. Someone suggested there is a 32k length limit.) This might not be such a bad redo. You could leave the pieces in separate Quiz modules (or make it a QTP multi-step process) with a Quiz sort-and-report of the subfile at the end. Dennis Hassell Dennis Hassell and Associates (941) 746-4919 (941) 224-3981 - cell -----Original Message----- From: powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu] On Behalf Of Nancy Tietz Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:55 AM To: 'aargyriou@vivodi.gr'; 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' Cc: 'dtietz@msxi.com' Subject: RE: Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or something Yeah, it is an important report and it has a lot of calculations and pic's in the footings that are 'use'd in all 6 levels. The programmer is still working on it trying various things to simplify. But I was thinking that a statement like FILE QUIZSCR;DISC=2000000 or FILE QUIZSORT;DISC=2000000 or something similar might help. I'd hate to see him have to put the whole stupid report to disc and add the footings in separate steps. Thanks for your kind words, nt -----Original Message----- From: Andreas Argyriou [mailto:aargyriou@vivodi.gr] Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:08 AM To: Nancy Tietz Subject: RE: Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or something Nancy, It sounds like you hit some type of max or something, as you say. I remember something similar about 14 years ago on a DG AOS/VS machine and Powerhouse version 5.3.4 or something similar. I was not getting any error, quiz just aborted when compiling. I had to remove levels of footings, remove items etc. Another thing that helped was to move any formatting stuff (pic, bwz etc.) for defined items from the reporting/footing statements section to the define statements. It took me about a week to get the program to compile. I believe that a report with 6 levels of footings with 30 fields for each level is unreadable. Management insisted that the report was necessary so we had to do it. However, it was never used. Just trying to help. Andreas Argyriou Athens, Greece -----Original Message----- From: powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu]On Behalf Of Nancy Tietz Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:23 PM To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' Cc: 'dtietz@msxi.com' Subject: RE: Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or something latest news: "by removing unneeded fields in the input subfile I now can show 4 footings but not 5." nt -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Tietz Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:12 AM To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' Cc: 'dtietz@msxi.com' Subject: Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or something Importance: High Dear ListServer, Below is a further problem this programmer is having with the same Quiz on which Robert Mills assisted. (By the way, the USE STD1.use file was approx. 200 lines long to get a 14 line footer, and it was needed in 6 footing at's.) Now, some sort of MAX has been reached. The old program that worked had 4 sort items and only 1 footer line. The new program needs to have 6 sort items and 6 footing at statements. Each of those footing at stmt's has this 200 line temp 'use' file in it. There is only 1 file being accessed at the top. Result: It stops printing in the middle of a footer and gives this message: *Fatal Error* *45* Notify Cognos Customer Support Also, if 1 footing line is removed, it does work. However all 6 footing at stmt's are necessary. See below for what all else we tried. Thank you for your kind help. Nancy -----Original Message----- From: Derrick Tietz [mailto:DTietz@msxi.com] Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:33 AM To: ntietz@MCARE.MED.UMICH.EDU Subject: RE: Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or something Do you have time to pose this question to the list server? The quizscr= and quizsort = has not helped. *Fatal Error* *45* Notify Cognos Customer Support I have 6 sorts 6 footings. Each footing has 10 lines and 13 columns. It runs without error with any variation of 3 footings but not 4 footings. It stops in the middle of one of the footings (not a particular one). = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. From shediac92@hotmail.com Tue May 20 19:47:14 2003 From: shediac92@hotmail.com (Peter Bateman) Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:47:14 -0300 Subject: Underflow Message-ID: Mikael: Chris made some excellents points on the order of operation. On the MPE/iX box Cognos could have set the result to zero instead of giving the 'Floating point Underfow' error. But is this right? a^-b*a^b = 1 but if a^-b underflowed and Cognos had set the result to 0 then a^-b*a^b = 0 a sightly different result. You may say it errorred out and didn't give the 1 so what is the difference? With the error you know you have a problem. With the 0 to don't know that you have a problem. I guess the answer is we have to do the math. a^-b*a^b = a^(-b+b) = a^0=1 >From: Chris Sharman >To: Mikael A Olesen , PowerH List > >Subject: Re: Underflow >Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:10:11 +0100 > >Mikael A Olesen wrote: >>Hello >> >>I have a qtp program that sometimes crash with the following error: >> >> *E* Floating point underflow occurred (number too small). >> *Fatal Error* *1370* Notify Cognos Customer Support >> >>The program runs on just about the same amount of data every time and most >>times it goes okay. > >This is an arithmetic issue. >You don't mention your platform, so I'll give a VMS example. 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We have number of Files with coded record structures and Multi-Record files (different logicals records in the Dictionary that point to same physical file). Is there a way in Oracle-9i to maintain similar structures and relations? Any help/information on this is very much appreciated. Thanks Sagar From ntietz@MCARE.MED.UMICH.EDU Thu May 22 14:46:42 2003 From: ntietz@MCARE.MED.UMICH.EDU (Nancy Tietz) Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:46:42 -0400 Subject: Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or somet hing Message-ID: Dennis, Your idea is the one that gets the cake today! The programmer added steps to calculate the total lines and put the total lines in a database with a key. So then the final report can just pull those in and print them. (This is an oversimplification but gives you all the general idea.) Thank you very much for your help! And thank you to the List for your kind helpfulness as always. Nancy -----Original Message----- From: dennis@dhassell.com [mailto:dennis@dhassell.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:57 AM To: 'Nancy Tietz'; aargyriou@vivodi.gr; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Cc: dtietz@msxi.com Subject: RE: Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or something I had a difficult report one time, where they needed subtotals in the headings and other unusual stuff. I built an intermediate file where the first few bytes were keys which determined the order of the final report lines, and the rest of the record was the content. I also had format flags which triggered IF-THEN's in the final report to alter the format. I then took several QTP (could use Quiz) steps to build and append the subfile. How that applies here might be the ability to break the footing generation steps into more manageable sizes and hey keep it all within a Powerhouse context. (I'm suspicious, but I couldn't confirm it, that there is a character limit on the parsing buffers in Quiz - I would assume you'd get an error that would point more clearly there, but maybe not. My guess would be somewhere between 4k and 32k length. Someone suggested there is a 32k length limit.) This might not be such a bad redo. You could leave the pieces in separate Quiz modules (or make it a QTP multi-step process) with a Quiz sort-and-report of the subfile at the end. Dennis Hassell Dennis Hassell and Associates (941) 746-4919 (941) 224-3981 - cell -----Original Message----- From: powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu] On Behalf Of Nancy Tietz Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:55 AM To: 'aargyriou@vivodi.gr'; 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' Cc: 'dtietz@msxi.com' Subject: RE: Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or something Yeah, it is an important report and it has a lot of calculations and pic's in the footings that are 'use'd in all 6 levels. The programmer is still working on it trying various things to simplify. But I was thinking that a statement like FILE QUIZSCR;DISC=2000000 or FILE QUIZSORT;DISC=2000000 or something similar might help. I'd hate to see him have to put the whole stupid report to disc and add the footings in separate steps. Thanks for your kind words, nt -----Original Message----- From: Andreas Argyriou [mailto:aargyriou@vivodi.gr] Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:08 AM To: Nancy Tietz Subject: RE: Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or something Nancy, It sounds like you hit some type of max or something, as you say. I remember something similar about 14 years ago on a DG AOS/VS machine and Powerhouse version 5.3.4 or something similar. I was not getting any error, quiz just aborted when compiling. I had to remove levels of footings, remove items etc. Another thing that helped was to move any formatting stuff (pic, bwz etc.) for defined items from the reporting/footing statements section to the define statements. It took me about a week to get the program to compile. I believe that a report with 6 levels of footings with 30 fields for each level is unreadable. Management insisted that the report was necessary so we had to do it. However, it was never used. Just trying to help. Andreas Argyriou Athens, Greece -----Original Message----- From: powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu]On Behalf Of Nancy Tietz Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:23 PM To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' Cc: 'dtietz@msxi.com' Subject: RE: Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or something latest news: "by removing unneeded fields in the input subfile I now can show 4 footings but not 5." nt -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Tietz Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:12 AM To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' Cc: 'dtietz@msxi.com' Subject: Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or something Importance: High Dear ListServer, Below is a further problem this programmer is having with the same Quiz on which Robert Mills assisted. (By the way, the USE STD1.use file was approx. 200 lines long to get a 14 line footer, and it was needed in 6 footing at's.) Now, some sort of MAX has been reached. The old program that worked had 4 sort items and only 1 footer line. The new program needs to have 6 sort items and 6 footing at statements. Each of those footing at stmt's has this 200 line temp 'use' file in it. There is only 1 file being accessed at the top. Result: It stops printing in the middle of a footer and gives this message: *Fatal Error* *45* Notify Cognos Customer Support Also, if 1 footing line is removed, it does work. However all 6 footing at stmt's are necessary. See below for what all else we tried. Thank you for your kind help. Nancy -----Original Message----- From: Derrick Tietz [mailto:DTietz@msxi.com] Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:33 AM To: ntietz@MCARE.MED.UMICH.EDU Subject: RE: Unrelated to 'use statements' I hit some type of MAX or something Do you have time to pose this question to the list server? The quizscr= and quizsort = has not helped. *Fatal Error* *45* Notify Cognos Customer Support I have 6 sorts 6 footings. Each footing has 10 lines and 13 columns. It runs without error with any variation of 3 footings but not 4 footings. It stops in the middle of one of the footings (not a particular one). = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. From shediac92@hotmail.com Thu May 22 15:58:15 2003 From: shediac92@hotmail.com (Peter Bateman) Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:58:15 -0300 Subject: Migrating from RMS to Oracle Message-ID: Hi Sagar: 1) I think the easiest way to migrate this application is to make each coded record structure a table in Oracle. I recall seeing a datatype conversion list in the PowerHouse documentation. 2)One could put all the data that relates to one RMS physical file into one table and then create several views of the table based on the record coding. The Oracle CAST function might be useful. Good luck if that is way you choose to go. Regards, Peter Bateman >From: "Goparaju, Vidyasagar" >To: "Powerh-L (E-mail)" >Subject: Migrating from RMS to Oracle >Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:22:13 -0400 > >Hi All, > >We are planning to migrating from VMS/RMS/POWERHOUSE to >Solaris/Oracle-9i/POWERHOUSE. > >We have number of Files with coded record structures and Multi-Record files >(different logicals records in the Dictionary that point to same physical >file). > >Is there a way in Oracle-9i to maintain similar structures and relations? > >Any help/information on this is very much appreciated. > >Thanks >Sagar > >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu >Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu >Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to >powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu >http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l >This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Robert.Edis@blistex.com Thu May 22 16:07:21 2003 From: Robert.Edis@blistex.com (Edis, Robert) Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:07:21 -0500 Subject: Migrating from RMS to Oracle Message-ID: <003EC701AC78D5119B180000D1EEC32C012F2132@BLISTEXEXC> I think the easiest way is to use the conversion features of Axiant. These were developed specifically with ISAM to RDBMS conversions in mind due to the complexity of the task. Even if you only use this feature of Axiant it is still a great cost effective tool for a low price. Blue -----Original Message----- From: Peter Bateman [mailto:shediac92@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 9:58 AM To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: Re: Migrating from RMS to Oracle Hi Sagar: 1) I think the easiest way to migrate this application is to make each coded record structure a table in Oracle. I recall seeing a datatype conversion list in the PowerHouse documentation. 2)One could put all the data that relates to one RMS physical file into one table and then create several views of the table based on the record coding. The Oracle CAST function might be useful. Good luck if that is way you choose to go. Regards, Peter Bateman >From: "Goparaju, Vidyasagar" >To: "Powerh-L (E-mail)" >Subject: Migrating from RMS to Oracle >Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:22:13 -0400 > >Hi All, > >We are planning to migrating from VMS/RMS/POWERHOUSE to >Solaris/Oracle-9i/POWERHOUSE. > >We have number of Files with coded record structures and Multi-Record files >(different logicals records in the Dictionary that point to same physical >file). > >Is there a way in Oracle-9i to maintain similar structures and relations? > >Any help/information on this is very much appreciated. > >Thanks >Sagar > >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu >Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu >Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to >powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu >http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l >This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? 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From markus.grossrieder@alba-systems.com Thu May 22 16:27:57 2003 From: markus.grossrieder@alba-systems.com (Markus Grossrieder) Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 17:27:57 +0200 Subject: Access violation error Message-ID: <012301c32076$bf2b46a0$2501a8c0@albamarkusxp> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0120_01C32087.7C880A70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,=20 (OpenVMS V7.2-1, PowerHouse 7.10.G3) I get at random times and in random programs (in Quick, QTP and Quiz) = the following error in my applications: %SYSTEM-E-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=3D!XB, virtual = adress=3D!XH, PC=3D!XL %NONAME-W-NOMSG, Message number 00000000 %NONAME-W-NOMSG, Message number 00000000 %SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort %SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort $=20 The user has the following configuration: $ autho UAF> sho cathy Username: CATHY Owner: CATHERINE Account: IMSTEIN UIC: [300,312] ([IMSTEIN,CATHY]) CLI: DCL Tables: DCLTABLES Default: USER1:[CATHY] LGICMD: USER1:[IMSTEIN.START]START_MENU.COM Flags:=20 Primary days: Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri=20 Secondary days: Sat Sun No access restrictions Expiration: (none) Pwdminimum: 6 Login Fails: 0 Pwdlifetime: (none) Pwdchange: 1-APR-2003 14:03=20 Last Login: 22-MAY-2003 07:30 (interactive), 22-MAY-2003 09:53 = (non-interactive) Maxjobs: 0 Fillm: 200 Bytlm: 80000 Maxacctjobs: 0 Shrfillm: 0 Pbytlm: 0 Maxdetach: 0 BIOlm: 150 JTquota: 5120 Prclm: 10 DIOlm: 150 WSdef: 2000 Prio: 4 ASTlm: 250 WSquo: 8000 Queprio: 4 TQElm: 20 WSextent: 65536 CPU: (none) Enqlm: 2000 Pgflquo: 250000 Authorized Privileges:=20 BYPASS NETMBX TMPMBX Default Privileges:=20 BYPASS NETMBX TMPMBX UAF> exit =20 Does anybody know why and what to do ? TIA, Markus ------=_NextPart_000_0120_01C32087.7C880A70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi = all,=20

(OpenVMS V7.2-1, PowerHouse 7.10.G3)

I get at random = times and in=20 random programs (in Quick, QTP and Quiz) the following error in my=20 applications:

   =20 %SYSTEM-E-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=3D!XB, virtual = adress=3D!XH,=20 PC=3D!XL
    %NONAME-W-NOMSG, Message number=20 00000000
    %NONAME-W-NOMSG, Message number=20 00000000
    %SYSTEM-F-ABORT, = abort
   =20 %SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort
    $

The user = has the=20 following configuration:

    $ autho

    UAF> sho = cathy

    Username: = CATHY=20          Owner:=20 CATHERINE
    Account: =20 IMSTEIN        UIC: [300,312]=20 ([IMSTEIN,CATHY])
    CLI: DCL    =20             Tables:=20 DCLTABLES
    Default: = USER1:[CATHY]
   =20 LGICMD: USER1:[IMSTEIN.START]START_MENU.COM
    = Flags:=20
    Primary days: Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri =
   =20 Secondary days: Sat Sun
    No access=20 restrictions
    Expiration:     (none) =     Pwdminimum: 6     Login Fails:=20 0
    Pwdlifetime:    (none)=20     Pwdchange: 1-APR-2003 14:03 =
    Last=20 Login: 22-MAY-2003 07:30 (interactive), 22-MAY-2003 09:53=20 (non-interactive)
    Maxjobs:    =20 0   Fillm:    200   Bytlm: =    =20 80000
    Maxacctjobs: 0   = Shrfillm:  =20 0   Pbytlm:       =20 0
    Maxdetach:   0  =20 BIOlm:    150   JTquota:   =20 5120
    Prclm:     =20 10   DIOlm:    150   WS= def:=20      2000
    Prio:=20        4  =20 ASTlm:    250  =20 WSquo:      8000
    Queprio: =     4   TQElm:     = 20  =20 WSextent:  65536
   =20 CPU:    (none)   Enqlm:  =20 2000   Pgflquo: 250000
    Authorized=20 Privileges:
        BYPASS =    =20 NETMBX     TMPMBX
    Default = Privileges:=20
        BYPASS     = NETMBX=20     TMPMBX

    = UAF> exit


Does anybody know why and what to do=20 ?

TIA, Markus
------=_NextPart_000_0120_01C32087.7C880A70-- From Robert.Edis@blistex.com Thu May 22 16:34:51 2003 From: Robert.Edis@blistex.com (Edis, Robert) Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:34:51 -0500 Subject: Access violation error Message-ID: <003EC701AC78D5119B180000D1EEC32C012F2133@BLISTEXEXC> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32077.AF893DF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" G'day Markus My first guess this is a data issue. Check to make sure there are no NULLs in an index used by the PowerHouse program. What is the data source? Is there a common data source used in the programs affected? In my experience this type of error is almost always caused by a bad piece of data or poor coding to handle bad data. Blue -----Original Message----- From: Markus Grossrieder [mailto:markus.grossrieder@alba-systems.com] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 10:28 AM To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: Access violation error Hi all, (OpenVMS V7.2-1, PowerHouse 7.10.G3) I get at random times and in random programs (in Quick, QTP and Quiz) the following error in my applications: %SYSTEM-E-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=!XB, virtual adress=!XH, PC=!XL %NONAME-W-NOMSG, Message number 00000000 %NONAME-W-NOMSG, Message number 00000000 %SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort %SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort $ The user has the following configuration: $ autho UAF> sho cathy Username: CATHY Owner: CATHERINE Account: IMSTEIN UIC: [300,312] ([IMSTEIN,CATHY]) CLI: DCL Tables: DCLTABLES Default: USER1:[CATHY] LGICMD: USER1:[IMSTEIN.START]START_MENU.COM Flags: Primary days: Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Secondary days: Sat Sun No access restrictions Expiration: (none) Pwdminimum: 6 Login Fails: 0 Pwdlifetime: (none) Pwdchange: 1-APR-2003 14:03 Last Login: 22-MAY-2003 07:30 (interactive), 22-MAY-2003 09:53 (non-interactive) Maxjobs: 0 Fillm: 200 Bytlm: 80000 Maxacctjobs: 0 Shrfillm: 0 Pbytlm: 0 Maxdetach: 0 BIOlm: 150 JTquota: 5120 Prclm: 10 DIOlm: 150 WSdef: 2000 Prio: 4 ASTlm: 250 WSquo: 8000 Queprio: 4 TQElm: 20 WSextent: 65536 CPU: (none) Enqlm: 2000 Pgflquo: 250000 Authorized Privileges: BYPASS NETMBX TMPMBX Default Privileges: BYPASS NETMBX TMPMBX UAF> exit Does anybody know why and what to do ? TIA, Markus ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32077.AF893DF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
G'day Markus

My first guess this is a data issue. Check to make sure there are no NULLs in an index used by the PowerHouse program.

What is the data source?

Is there a common data source used in the programs affected?

In my experience this type of error is almost always caused by a bad piece of data or poor coding to handle bad data.

Blue

-----Original Message-----
From: Markus Grossrieder [mailto:markus.grossrieder@alba-systems.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 10:28 AM
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: Access violation error

Hi all,

(OpenVMS V7.2-1, PowerHouse 7.10.G3)

I get at random times and in random programs (in Quick, QTP and Quiz) the following error in my applications:

    %SYSTEM-E-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=!XB, virtual adress=!XH, PC=!XL
    %NONAME-W-NOMSG, Message number 00000000
    %NONAME-W-NOMSG, Message number 00000000
    %SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort
    %SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort
    $

The user has the following configuration:

    $ autho

    UAF> sho cathy

    Username: CATHY          Owner: CATHERINE
    Account: IMSTEIN        UIC: [300,312] ([IMSTEIN,CATHY])
    CLI: DCL                 Tables: DCLTABLES
    Default: USER1:[CATHY]
    LGICMD: USER1:[IMSTEIN.START]START_MENU.COM
    Flags:
    Primary days: Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri
    Secondary days: Sat Sun
    No access restrictions
    Expiration:     (none)     Pwdminimum: 6     Login Fails: 0
    Pwdlifetime:    (none)     Pwdchange: 1-APR-2003 14:03
    Last Login: 22-MAY-2003 07:30 (interactive), 22-MAY-2003 09:53 (non-interactive)
    Maxjobs:     0   Fillm:    200   Bytlm:     80000
    Maxacctjobs: 0   Shrfillm:   0   Pbytlm:       0
    Maxdetach:   0   BIOlm:    150   JTquota:    5120
    Prclm:      10   DIOlm:    150   WSdef:      2000
    Prio:        4   ASTlm:    250   WSquo:      8000
    Queprio:     4   TQElm:     20   WSextent:  65536
    CPU:    (none)   Enqlm:   2000   Pgflquo: 250000
    Authorized Privileges:
        BYPASS     NETMBX     TMPMBX
    Default Privileges:
        BYPASS     NETMBX     TMPMBX

    UAF> exit


Does anybody know why and what to do ?

TIA, Markus
------_=_NextPart_001_01C32077.AF893DF0-- From markus.grossrieder@alba-systems.com Thu May 22 16:59:51 2003 From: markus.grossrieder@alba-systems.com (Markus Grossrieder) Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 17:59:51 +0200 Subject: Access violation error References: <003EC701AC78D5119B180000D1EEC32C012F2133@BLISTEXEXC> Message-ID: <079a01c3207b$316fc2a0$2501a8c0@albamarkusxp> Hi Blue, thanks for your quick response. > What is the data source? > Is there a common data source used in the programs affected? The data is stored in RMS (indexed) files, and all programs use the same directory/data files. I tried to recompile the programs where the error happened, but no good. The error appears in recompiled and not-recompiled programs, either in Quick or in Qtp/Quiz run from Quick screens. Some more information: The error appeared after - activating TCP/IP (UCX) - installing ConnX (v8.7) - changing the connections (using Reflection 6.7) from LAT to Telnet - replacing the old 10-Mb hub with a new 100-Mb switch - changing the NIC on the the Alpha form 10 to 100 Mb/s - and (this is strange) only when working from 2 PC's (of around 10 PC's and some VT terminals). I tried to re-install Reflection, but again: no good. Thanks, regards, Markus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edis, Robert" To: Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 5:34 PM Subject: RE: Access violation error > G'day Markus > > My first guess this is a data issue. Check to make sure there are no NULLs > in an index used by the PowerHouse program. > > What is the data source? > Is there a common data source used in the programs affected? > > In my experience this type of error is almost always caused by a bad piece > of data or poor coding to handle bad data. > > Blue > > -----Original Message----- > From: Markus Grossrieder [mailto:markus.grossrieder@alba-systems.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 10:28 AM > To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu > Subject: Access violation error > > > Hi all, > > (OpenVMS V7.2-1, PowerHouse 7.10.G3) > > I get at random times and in random programs (in Quick, QTP and Quiz) the > following error in my applications: > > %SYSTEM-E-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=!XB, virtual adress=!XH, > PC=!XL > %NONAME-W-NOMSG, Message number 00000000 > %NONAME-W-NOMSG, Message number 00000000 > %SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort > %SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort > $ > > The user has the following configuration: > > > $ autho > UAF> sho cathy > Username: CATHY Owner: CATHERINE > Account: IMSTEIN UIC: [300,312] ([IMSTEIN,CATHY]) > CLI: DCL Tables: DCLTABLES > Default: USER1:[CATHY] > LGICMD: USER1:[IMSTEIN.START]START_MENU.COM > Flags: > Primary days: Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri > Secondary days: Sat Sun > No access restrictions > Expiration: (none) Pwdminimum: 6 Login Fails: 0 > Pwdlifetime: (none) Pwdchange: 1-APR-2003 14:03 > Last Login: 22-MAY-2003 07:30 (interactive), 22-MAY-2003 09:53 > (non-interactive) > Maxjobs: 0 Fillm: 200 Bytlm: 80000 > Maxacctjobs: 0 Shrfillm: 0 Pbytlm: 0 > Maxdetach: 0 BIOlm: 150 JTquota: 5120 > Prclm: 10 DIOlm: 150 WSdef: 2000 > Prio: 4 ASTlm: 250 WSquo: 8000 > Queprio: 4 TQElm: 20 WSextent: 65536 > CPU: (none) Enqlm: 2000 Pgflquo: 250000 > Authorized Privileges: > BYPASS NETMBX TMPMBX > Default Privileges: > BYPASS NETMBX TMPMBX > > UAF> exit > > > Does anybody know why and what to do ? > > TIA, Markus > > From chris.sharman@ccagroup.co.uk Thu May 22 17:15:21 2003 From: chris.sharman@ccagroup.co.uk (Chris Sharman) Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 17:15:21 +0100 Subject: Access violation error In-Reply-To: <200305221631024069632@equus.ccagroup.co.uk> References: <200305221631024069632@equus.ccagroup.co.uk> Message-ID: <3ECCF799.5090107@ccagroup.co.uk> Markus Grossrieder wrote: > Hi all, > > (OpenVMS V7.2-1, PowerHouse 7.10.G3) > > I get at random times and in random programs (in Quick, QTP and Quiz) > the following error in my applications: > > %SYSTEM-E-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=!XB, virtual > adress=!XH, PC=!XL > %NONAME-W-NOMSG, Message number 00000000 > %NONAME-W-NOMSG, Message number 00000000 > %SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort > %SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort Never seen this, and they're not really (apart from the last) proper errors. Message 0 should never be signalled by anything, and ACCVIO is always fatal (%system-f-accvio). Seeing it in all three components, I'd suspect the sitehook image first (logical PH_SITEHOOK, iirc). Failing that, perhaps a corruption of some image (PHLIB?). Next step would be to capture the offending user's keyboard input (with QKECHO or something) to see if it's reproducible. Is there anything special about the user, or is she the only one ? I notice she has bypass privilege, which isn't nice, and I wouldn't want it given to users on my systems. She isn't captive, either. Chris ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Any views expressed in this message are those of the sender and not necessarily those of CCA Group. The unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is forbidden. 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Do you have no PowerHouse/Oracle experts on site? I can think of lots of other issues that you may need to address such as transaction handling within QUICK/QTP plus the data placement/sizing issues within the Oracle database. If you are based in the US or UK , I would suggest getting in a contractor/consultant with PowerHouse and Oracle experience - there are plenty available!! PS. Oracle 9i does allow you to 'nest' a table within another table - but for a true relational model you would need to create a separate table ofr each coded record structure HTH From Robert.Edis@blistex.com Thu May 22 21:04:59 2003 From: Robert.Edis@blistex.com (Edis, Robert) Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:04:59 -0500 Subject: Migrating from RMS to Oracle Message-ID: <003EC701AC78D5119B180000D1EEC32C012F2137@BLISTEXEXC> Also to be blunt Erne, there IS a BIG world outside of the US and the UK! There are plenty of PowerHouse/Oracle experts in Canada, Australasia, S.E. Asia, Europe, South Africa, you name it. Blue -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Erne [mailto:kevin.erne@lineone.net] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 2:53 PM To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: Migrating from RMS to Oracle Sorry to be so blunt, but you seem to be asking some very basic questions about a fairly major migration. Do you have no PowerHouse/Oracle experts on site? I can think of lots of other issues that you may need to address such as transaction handling within QUICK/QTP plus the data placement/sizing issues within the Oracle database. If you are based in the US or UK , I would suggest getting in a contractor/consultant with PowerHouse and Oracle experience - there are plenty available!! PS. Oracle 9i does allow you to 'nest' a table within another table - but for a true relational model you would need to create a separate table ofr each coded record structure HTH = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. From mail@kevinerne.co.uk Fri May 23 09:11:09 2003 From: mail@kevinerne.co.uk (Kevin Erne) Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 09:11:09 +0100 Subject: Migrating from RMS to Oracle Message-ID: <3ECAB3640000395F@mk-cpfrontend-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Sorry about being so US/UK centric - looking at tradepoint systems website it seems that they have offices in US,UK and Holland If external consultants are not an option, what about asking your employer to provide some basic Oracle training. From VGoparaju@tradepointsystems.com Fri May 23 14:47:48 2003 From: VGoparaju@tradepointsystems.com (Goparaju, Vidyasagar) Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 09:47:48 -0400 Subject: Migrating from RMS to Oracle Message-ID: I am not new to Powerhouse and RDBMS... I am in this field for 14 years. Now... Has anybody used nested tables in Oracle and accessed using Powerhouse on Solaris? I have created nested tables and type objects in Oracle 9i and getting weird errors when referenced in Powerhouse programs. Finally ended up creating different tables in Oracle. Sagar -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Erne [mailto:kevin.erne@lineone.net] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 4:11 AM To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: Migrating from RMS to Oracle Sorry about being so US/UK centric - looking at tradepoint systems website it seems that they have offices in US,UK and Holland If external consultants are not an option, what about asking your employer to provide some basic Oracle training. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. From mail@kevinerne.co.uk Fri May 23 15:31:04 2003 From: mail@kevinerne.co.uk (Kevin Erne) Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 15:31:04 +0100 Subject: Migrating from RMS to Oracle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3ECAB36400004268@mk-cpfrontend-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com> I can't imagine any PowerHouse component recognising a 'nested' table. I think they are mainly used if you want to put Object Orientated structures in an Oracle Database. You will have to create a separate table for each of the coded record structures. PowerHouse (on VMS/unix) always accesses by record name anyway so 'File' open/access type code will not have to changed if you give the table name the same name as the coded record structure (apart from putting 'in database' in front of each record reference) Cheers >-- Original Message -- >From: "Goparaju, Vidyasagar" >To: "'mail@kevinerne.co.uk'" >Cc: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu >Subject: RE: Migrating from RMS to Oracle >Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 09:47:48 -0400 > > >I am not new to Powerhouse and RDBMS... I am in this field for 14 years. Now... Has anybody used nested tables in Oracle and accessed using Powerhouse on Solaris? I have created nested tables and type objects in Oracle 9i and getting weird err >rs when referenced in Powerhouse programs. Finally ended up creating different tables in Oracle. Sagar -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Erne [mailto:kevin.erne@lineone.net] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 4:11 AM To: powerh-l@lists.sw >u.edu Subject: Migrating from RMS to Oracle Sorry about being so US/UK centric - looking at tradepoint systems website it seems that they have offices in US,UK and Holland If external consultants are not an option, what about asking your employ >r to provide some basic Oracle training. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe >password>" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing l >st: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list >is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. From Christina.Hasse@COGNOS.com Tue May 27 22:03:29 2003 From: Christina.Hasse@COGNOS.com (Hasse, Christina) Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 17:03:29 -0400 Subject: Cognos/MB Foster Webinar on Tuesday June 10th re: PowerHouse and Eloquence on HP/UX or Intel Message-ID: <31755677B4F9D211929C0008C71BAFF601314576@schicorp.cognos.com> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32493.6CB50160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Fellow Listserv Members: Cognos and MB Foster invite you to a Webinar on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 2:00 p.m. EST to discuss using PowerHouse with an Eloquence database on HP/UX or Intel. We are targeting the North American audience for this Webinar. If we receive enough interest, we will also schedule a Webinar for other territories. Exact details of how to join this Webinar will be sent in a follow-up email in the next week. The agenda will include: An Overview Preparation before moving from the HP 3000 Migration options Training considerations Software/Hardware considerations Scheduling your migration Questions & Answers Please confirm your interest by sending an e-mail RSVP to me at the email address below by June 9th. Thank you. Christina Hasse ADT North American Technical Manager COGNOS CORPORATION christina.hasse@cognos.com 425 N. Martingale Road, Suite 600 Schaumburg, IL 60173 Office: 847 - 285 - 2905 Cell: 847 - 269 - 1909 (new) Fax: 847 - 240 - 0252 This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error or are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disseminate or distribute it; do not open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. 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Cognos and MB Foster invite you to a = Webinar on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 2:00 p.m. EST to discuss using = PowerHouse with an Eloquence database on HP/UX or Intel. We are = targeting the North American audience for this Webinar. If we = receive enough interest, we will also schedule a Webinar for other = territories.

Exact details of how to join this = Webinar will be sent in a follow-up email in the next week. =

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Thank you.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C32493.6CB50160-- From fernando_jose_olmos@yahoo.com.au Wed May 28 06:00:51 2003 From: fernando_jose_olmos@yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Fernando=20Olmos?=) Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 15:00:51 +1000 (EST) Subject: HP3000 developer sought after Message-ID: <20030528050051.92086.qmail@web41609.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1684189544-1054098051=:91891 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey gang, Sorry for the off topic post, but since there a lot of HP3000 experts here (including myself), I thought you may find this post interesting... =========== I have a contact in Hong Kong, who is desperately looking for a strong HP3000 developer (don't know what specific development platform at this stage), with some (not necessarily strong) management or team leadership experience. The candidate would preferrably have to be an Australian citizen, as he/she would need to provide support for all of the Asia/Pacific. My contact is looking for someone who is willing to lead themselves into a senior management role, where less than 40% of the time might be spend coding/developing and the rest spent providing team leadership and senior management responsibilities. In essence, the role would suite someone that has many years development experience, coupled with some years in a management role. The ideal candidate would be looking to carry their people skills further to a much more defined role in senior management. The company is a very large multinational company! If this role is of interest, please call... Richard Krauel Harton Reed Limited Tel: 852 3106 3040 Fax: 852 3106 3031 http://www.hartonreed.com/ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mobile - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. --0-1684189544-1054098051=:91891 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hey gang,

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- Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. --0-1684189544-1054098051=:91891-- From rompre@kangouroute.com Wed May 28 18:22:08 2003 From: rompre@kangouroute.com (Etienne Rompr=?ISO-8859-1?B?6Q==?=) Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:22:08 -0400 Subject: Order by with select if in PHWeb Message-ID: HI, OpenVMS 7.3 Powerhouse 8.30z1 Powerhouse Web 2.30z1 Is there a way to make an «order by» on my primary file in PhWEB after I made a »select if» on the same primary file? Thanks! -- Etienne Rompré Directeur Marketing - Technologies Marketing - Technologies Director Kangouroute Inc. Location autos - camions Car & Truck Rental Québec Canada tél: (418) 266-9500 fax: (418) 683-2610 courriel/email: rompre@kangouroute.com internet: http://www.kangouroute.com/ From Robert.Edis@blistex.com Wed May 28 18:35:05 2003 From: Robert.Edis@blistex.com (Edis, Robert) Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 12:35:05 -0500 Subject: Order by with select if in PHWeb Message-ID: <003EC701AC78D5119B180000D1EEC32C012F214A@BLISTEXEXC> G'day Etienne Are you saying that: ACCESS ... ORDER BY ... SELECT IF ... doesn't work for you? Can we a sample of your code please? Blue PS. What are kangaroos doing renting cars in Québec? -----Original Message----- From: Etienne Rompré [mailto:rompre@kangouroute.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:22 PM To: Powerhouse List Subject: Order by with select if in PHWeb HI, OpenVMS 7.3 Powerhouse 8.30z1 Powerhouse Web 2.30z1 Is there a way to make an «order by» on my primary file in PhWEB after I made a »select if» on the same primary file? Thanks! -- Etienne Rompré Directeur Marketing - Technologies Marketing - Technologies Director Kangouroute Inc. Location autos - camions Car & Truck Rental Québec Canada tél: (418) 266-9500 fax: (418) 683-2610 courriel/email: rompre@kangouroute.com internet: http://www.kangouroute.com/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. From Conrad.Whittall@Cognos.COM Wed May 28 18:37:46 2003 From: Conrad.Whittall@Cognos.COM (Whittall, Conrad) Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:37:46 -0400 Subject: Order by with select if in PHWeb Message-ID: <9BB2C83BBB6AD7119554000802FF51B809C5E9@sottexch3.cognos.com> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3253F.DA0F77C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just happen to be doing quite a bit with the ORDERBY clause at the = moment. The ORDERBY clause of the ACCESS statement is only valid if the record = you are accessing is a table in a relational database. You don't say = whether you are using RMS files or an RDBMS. To emulate an ORDERBY using RMS you will have to build an index in the = order that you require and force PowerHouse to specifically use that index = with the VIAINDEX clause. Best regards, Conrad Conrad Whittall Solutions Architect, Global Customer Services Cognos Incorporated, 3755 Riverside Drive, Ottawa, Ontario, K1G 4K9, = Canada -----Original Message----- From: Etienne Rompr=E9 [mailto:rompre@kangouroute.com] Sent: 28 May 2003 13:22 To: Powerhouse List Subject: Order by with select if in PHWeb HI, OpenVMS 7.3 Powerhouse 8.30z1 Powerhouse Web 2.30z1 Is there a way to make an =ABorder by=BB on my primary file in PhWEB = after I made a =BBselect if=BB on the same primary file? Thanks! --=20 Etienne Rompr=E9 Directeur Marketing - Technologies Marketing - Technologies Director Kangouroute Inc.=20 Location autos - camions Car & Truck Rental Qu=E9bec Canada t=E9l: (418) 266-9500 fax: (418) 683-2610 courriel/email: rompre@kangouroute.com internet: http://www.kangouroute.com/ =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D = =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to = powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. = If you have received this e-mail in error or are not the intended recipient, = you may not use, copy, disseminate or distribute it; do not open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system and notify the = sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3253F.DA0F77C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Order by with select if in PHWeb

I just happen to be doing quite a bit with the = ORDERBY clause at the moment.

The ORDERBY clause of the ACCESS statement is only = valid if the record you are accessing is a table in a relational = database. You don't say whether you are using RMS files or an = RDBMS.

To emulate an ORDERBY using RMS you will have to = build an index in the order that you require and force PowerHouse to = specifically use that index with the VIAINDEX clause.

Best regards,
Conrad

Conrad Whittall
Solutions Architect, Global Customer Services
Cognos Incorporated, 3755 Riverside Drive, Ottawa, = Ontario, K1G 4K9, Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: Etienne Rompr=E9 [mailto:rompre@kangouroute.com= ]
Sent: 28 May 2003 13:22
To: Powerhouse List
Subject: Order by with select if in PHWeb

HI,

OpenVMS 7.3
Powerhouse 8.30z1
Powerhouse Web 2.30z1

Is there a way to make an =ABorder by=BB on my = primary file in PhWEB after I
made a =BBselect if=BB on the same primary = file?

Thanks!

--
Etienne Rompr=E9
Directeur Marketing - Technologies
Marketing - Technologies Director

Kangouroute Inc.
Location autos - camions
Car & Truck Rental
Qu=E9bec Canada

t=E9l: (418) 266-9500
fax: (418) 683-2610
courriel/email: rompre@kangouroute.com
internet: http://www.kangouroute.com/

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3253F.DA0F77C0-- From rompre@kangouroute.com Wed May 28 18:39:23 2003 From: rompre@kangouroute.com (Etienne Rompr=?ISO-8859-1?B?6Q==?=) Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:39:23 -0400 Subject: Order by with select if in PHWeb In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Forgot to tell : RMS Files HI, OpenVMS 7.3 Powerhouse 8.30z1 Powerhouse Web 2.30z1 Is there a way to make an «order by» on my primary file in PhWEB after I made a »select if» on the same primary file? Thanks! -- Etienne Rompré Directeur Marketing - Technologies Marketing - Technologies Director Kangouroute Inc. Location autos - camions Car & Truck Rental Québec Canada tél: (418) 266-9500 fax: (418) 683-2610 courriel/email: rompre@kangouroute.com internet: http://www.kangouroute.com/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. ------ Fin du message transféré From rompre@kangouroute.com Wed May 28 18:42:57 2003 From: rompre@kangouroute.com (Etienne Rompr=?ISO-8859-1?B?6Q==?=) Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:42:57 -0400 Subject: Order by with select if in PHWeb In-Reply-To: <9BB2C83BBB6AD7119554000802FF51B809C5E9@sottexch3.cognos.com> Message-ID: Hi Conrad, Thanks for the info. My problem is that the field I want to sort on is not a key in the dictionary. Is there a turnaround possible other than to change the dictionary??? Thanks! -- Etienne Rompré Directeur Marketing - Technologies Marketing - Technologies Director Kangouroute Inc. Location autos - camions Car & Truck Rental Québec Canada tél: (418) 266-9500 fax: (418) 683-2610 courriel/email: rompre@kangouroute.com internet: http://www.kangouroute.com/ > > I just happen to be doing quite a bit with the ORDERBY clause at the moment. > > The ORDERBY clause of the ACCESS statement is only valid if the record you > are accessing is a table in a relational database. You don't say whether you > are using RMS files or an RDBMS. > > To emulate an ORDERBY using RMS you will have to build an index in the order > that you require and force PowerHouse to specifically use that index with > the VIAINDEX clause. > > Best regards, > Conrad > > Conrad Whittall > Solutions Architect, Global Customer Services > Cognos Incorporated, 3755 Riverside Drive, Ottawa, Ontario, K1G 4K9, Canada > > -----Original Message----- > From: Etienne Rompré [mailto:rompre@kangouroute.com] > Sent: 28 May 2003 13:22 > To: Powerhouse List > Subject: Order by with select if in PHWeb > > > HI, > > OpenVMS 7.3 > Powerhouse 8.30z1 > Powerhouse Web 2.30z1 > > Is there a way to make an «order by» on my primary file in PhWEB after I > made a »select if» on the same primary file? > > Thanks! > From Robert.Edis@blistex.com Wed May 28 18:48:27 2003 From: Robert.Edis@blistex.com (Edis, Robert) Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 12:48:27 -0500 Subject: Order by with select if in PHWeb Message-ID: <003EC701AC78D5119B180000D1EEC32C012F214B@BLISTEXEXC> Ops! I meant ORDERBY ... Too much SQL programming lately I guess. :) -----Original Message----- From: Edis, Robert [mailto:Robert.Edis@blistex.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:35 PM To: Powerh-L (E-mail) Subject: RE: Order by with select if in PHWeb G'day Etienne Are you saying that: ACCESS ... ORDER BY ... SELECT IF ... doesn't work for you? Can we a sample of your code please? Blue PS. What are kangaroos doing renting cars in Québec? -----Original Message----- From: Etienne Rompré [mailto:rompre@kangouroute.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:22 PM To: Powerhouse List Subject: Order by with select if in PHWeb HI, OpenVMS 7.3 Powerhouse 8.30z1 Powerhouse Web 2.30z1 Is there a way to make an «order by» on my primary file in PhWEB after I made a »select if» on the same primary file? Thanks! -- Etienne Rompré Directeur Marketing - Technologies Marketing - Technologies Director Kangouroute Inc. Location autos - camions Car & Truck Rental Québec Canada tél: (418) 266-9500 fax: (418) 683-2610 courriel/email: rompre@kangouroute.com internet: http://www.kangouroute.com/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. From rompre@kangouroute.com Wed May 28 18:48:27 2003 From: rompre@kangouroute.com (Etienne Rompr=?ISO-8859-1?B?6Q==?=) Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:48:27 -0400 Subject: Order by with select if in PHWeb In-Reply-To: <003EC701AC78D5119B180000D1EEC32C012F214A@BLISTEXEXC> Message-ID: HI Robert, The code sample is : FILE FKAFCES PRI SELECT IF ECIE_NUME OF FKAFCES = NUME_ECIE AND & EAJU_NUME OF FKAFCES = NUME_AJUS AND & (ECES_STAT OF FKAFCES = "R" OR ECES_STAT OF FKAFCES = "") The field I want to sort on is not indexed. Any workaround possible??? Thanks! -- Etienne Rompré Directeur Marketing - Technologies Marketing - Technologies Director Kangouroute Inc. Location autos - camions Car & Truck Rental Québec Canada tél: (418) 266-9500 fax: (418) 683-2610 courriel/email: rompre@kangouroute.com internet: http://www.kangouroute.com/ > G'day Etienne > > Are you saying that: > > ACCESS ... ORDER BY ... > SELECT IF ... > > doesn't work for you? > > Can we a sample of your code please? > > Blue > > PS. What are kangaroos doing renting cars in Québec? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Etienne Rompré [mailto:rompre@kangouroute.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:22 PM > To: Powerhouse List > Subject: Order by with select if in PHWeb > > > HI, > > OpenVMS 7.3 > Powerhouse 8.30z1 > Powerhouse Web 2.30z1 > > Is there a way to make an «order by» on my primary file in PhWEB after I > made a »select if» on the same primary file? > > Thanks! > From Robert.Edis@blistex.com Wed May 28 18:52:12 2003 From: Robert.Edis@blistex.com (Edis, Robert) Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 12:52:12 -0500 Subject: Order by with select if in PHWeb Message-ID: <003EC701AC78D5119B180000D1EEC32C012F214C@BLISTEXEXC> Etienne Without a RDBMS to do the pre-processing for you and without the appropriate index in the RMS you can only do a SORT in the PowerHouse code itself. Alternately you could try using a 3rd party sort tool with temporary files. Blue -----Original Message----- From: Etienne Rompré [mailto:rompre@kangouroute.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:48 PM To: Edis, Robert Cc: Powerhouse List Subject: Re: Order by with select if in PHWeb HI Robert, The code sample is : FILE FKAFCES PRI SELECT IF ECIE_NUME OF FKAFCES = NUME_ECIE AND & EAJU_NUME OF FKAFCES = NUME_AJUS AND & (ECES_STAT OF FKAFCES = "R" OR ECES_STAT OF FKAFCES = "") The field I want to sort on is not indexed. Any workaround possible??? Thanks! -- Etienne Rompré Directeur Marketing - Technologies Marketing - Technologies Director Kangouroute Inc. Location autos - camions Car & Truck Rental Québec Canada tél: (418) 266-9500 fax: (418) 683-2610 courriel/email: rompre@kangouroute.com internet: http://www.kangouroute.com/ > G'day Etienne > > Are you saying that: > > ACCESS ... ORDER BY ... > SELECT IF ... > > doesn't work for you? > > Can we a sample of your code please? > > Blue > > PS. What are kangaroos doing renting cars in Québec? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Etienne Rompré [mailto:rompre@kangouroute.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:22 PM > To: Powerhouse List > Subject: Order by with select if in PHWeb > > > HI, > > OpenVMS 7.3 > Powerhouse 8.30z1 > Powerhouse Web 2.30z1 > > Is there a way to make an «order by» on my primary file in PhWEB after I > made a »select if» on the same primary file? > > Thanks! > From Conrad.Whittall@Cognos.COM Wed May 28 18:59:55 2003 From: Conrad.Whittall@Cognos.COM (Whittall, Conrad) Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:59:55 -0400 Subject: Order by with select if in PHWeb Message-ID: <9BB2C83BBB6AD7119554000802FF51B809C5EA@sottexch3.cognos.com> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32542.F1D7D930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since you're using RMS there are only two options that I can think of = to easily achieve what you're looking for (others please feel free to jump = in if you can think of anything else). The first way is, as described earlier, to add the physical index to = your RMS file and add the definition of that index to your PowerHouse = dictionary. The second, which might be viable if the volume of data selected isn't = too great, is to copy the selected data to a permanent indexed = subfile...created with the required structure and index(es) using QUIZ or QTP. Once you = have copied the data to the subfile (WHILE RETRIEVING etc., and perhaps = tagged it with some unique "session" identifier so that you can delete it again = when the user is done), you could take the user to another screen/page where = the indexed subfile is accessed as the primary...after passing that session = id so that the correct data is retrieved. Best regards, Conrad -----Original Message----- From: Etienne Rompr=E9 [mailto:rompre@kangouroute.com] Sent: 28 May 2003 13:43 To: Whittall, Conrad Cc: Powerhouse List Subject: Re: Order by with select if in PHWeb Hi Conrad, Thanks for the info. My problem is that the field I want to sort on is = not a key in the dictionary. Is there a turnaround possible other than to change the dictionary??? Thanks! --=20 Etienne Rompr=E9 Directeur Marketing - Technologies Marketing - Technologies Director Kangouroute Inc.=20 Location autos - camions Car & Truck Rental Qu=E9bec Canada t=E9l: (418) 266-9500 fax: (418) 683-2610 courriel/email: rompre@kangouroute.com internet: http://www.kangouroute.com/ >=20 > I just happen to be doing quite a bit with the ORDERBY clause at the moment. >=20 > The ORDERBY clause of the ACCESS statement is only valid if the = record you > are accessing is a table in a relational database. You don't say = whether you > are using RMS files or an RDBMS. >=20 > To emulate an ORDERBY using RMS you will have to build an index in = the order > that you require and force PowerHouse to specifically use that index = with > the VIAINDEX clause. >=20 > Best regards, > Conrad >=20 > Conrad Whittall > Solutions Architect, Global Customer Services > Cognos Incorporated, 3755 Riverside Drive, Ottawa, Ontario, K1G 4K9, Canada >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Etienne Rompr=E9 [mailto:rompre@kangouroute.com] > Sent: 28 May 2003 13:22 > To: Powerhouse List > Subject: Order by with select if in PHWeb >=20 >=20 > HI, >=20 > OpenVMS 7.3 > Powerhouse 8.30z1 > Powerhouse Web 2.30z1 >=20 > Is there a way to make an =ABorder by=BB on my primary file in PhWEB = after I > made a =BBselect if=BB on the same primary file? >=20 > Thanks! >=20 This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. = If you have received this e-mail in error or are not the intended recipient, = you may not use, copy, disseminate or distribute it; do not open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system and notify the = sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32542.F1D7D930 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Order by with select if in PHWeb

Since you're using RMS there are only two options = that I can think of to easily achieve what you're looking for (others = please feel free to jump in if you can think of anything = else).

The first way is, as described earlier, to add the = physical index to your RMS file and add the definition of that index to = your PowerHouse dictionary.

The second, which might be viable if the volume of = data selected isn't too great, is to copy the selected data to a = permanent indexed subfile...created with the required structure and = index(es) using QUIZ or QTP. Once you have copied the data to the = subfile (WHILE RETRIEVING etc., and perhaps tagged it with some unique = "session" identifier so that you can delete it again when the = user is done), you could take the user to another screen/page where the = indexed subfile is accessed as the primary...after passing that session = id so that the correct data is retrieved.

Best regards,
Conrad

-----Original Message-----
From: Etienne Rompr=E9 [mailto:rompre@kangouroute.com= ]
Sent: 28 May 2003 13:43
To: Whittall, Conrad
Cc: Powerhouse List
Subject: Re: Order by with select if in PHWeb

Hi Conrad,

Thanks for the info. My problem is that the = field I want to sort on is not
a key in the dictionary. Is there a turnaround = possible other than to
change the dictionary???

Thanks!

--
Etienne Rompr=E9
Directeur Marketing - Technologies
Marketing - Technologies Director

Kangouroute Inc.
Location autos - camions
Car & Truck Rental
Qu=E9bec Canada

t=E9l: (418) 266-9500
fax: (418) 683-2610
courriel/email: rompre@kangouroute.com
internet: http://www.kangouroute.com/

>
> I just happen to be doing quite a bit with the = ORDERBY clause at the moment.
>
> The ORDERBY clause of the ACCESS statement is = only valid if the record you
> are accessing is a table in a relational = database. You don't say whether you
> are using RMS files or an RDBMS.
>
> To emulate an ORDERBY using RMS you will have = to build an index in the order
> that you require and force PowerHouse to = specifically use that index with
> the VIAINDEX clause.
>
> Best regards,
> Conrad
>
> Conrad Whittall
> Solutions Architect, Global Customer = Services
> Cognos Incorporated, 3755 Riverside Drive, = Ottawa, Ontario, K1G 4K9, Canada
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Etienne Rompr=E9 [mailto:rompre@kangouroute.com= ]
> Sent: 28 May 2003 13:22
> To: Powerhouse List
> Subject: Order by with select if in = PHWeb
>
>
> HI,
>
> OpenVMS 7.3
> Powerhouse 8.30z1
> Powerhouse Web 2.30z1
>
> Is there a way to make an =ABorder by=BB on my = primary file in PhWEB after I
> made a =BBselect if=BB on the same primary = file?
>
> Thanks!
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C32542.F1D7D930-- From shediac92@hotmail.com Wed May 28 19:18:41 2003 From: shediac92@hotmail.com (Peter Bateman) Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 15:18:41 -0300 Subject: Order by with select if in PHWeb Message-ID: Etienne: QUIZ or QTP could create a sorted subfile for you. If the screen is 'display only' you could display the data from the subfile. If you need to update the data then you will need a clever unique linkage from the primary (subfile) to a secondary file ( real data file ). >From: "Edis, Robert" >To: "Powerh-L (E-mail)" >Subject: RE: Order by with select if in PHWeb >Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 12:52:12 -0500 > >Etienne > >Without a RDBMS to do the pre-processing for you and without the >appropriate >index in the RMS you can only do a SORT in the PowerHouse code itself. >Alternately you could try using a 3rd party sort tool with temporary files. > >Blue > >-----Original Message----- >From: Etienne Rompré [mailto:rompre@kangouroute.com] >Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:48 PM >To: Edis, Robert >Cc: Powerhouse List >Subject: Re: Order by with select if in PHWeb > > >HI Robert, > >The code sample is : > >FILE FKAFCES PRI > >SELECT IF ECIE_NUME OF FKAFCES = NUME_ECIE AND & > >EAJU_NUME OF FKAFCES = NUME_AJUS AND & > >(ECES_STAT OF FKAFCES = "R" OR ECES_STAT OF FKAFCES = "") > > >The field I want to sort on is not indexed. Any workaround possible??? > >Thanks! > > >-- >Etienne Rompré >Directeur Marketing - Technologies >Marketing - Technologies Director > >Kangouroute Inc. >Location autos - camions >Car & Truck Rental >Québec Canada > >tél: (418) 266-9500 >fax: (418) 683-2610 >courriel/email: rompre@kangouroute.com >internet: http://www.kangouroute.com/ > > > > > > G'day Etienne > > > > Are you saying that: > > > > ACCESS ... ORDER BY ... > > SELECT IF ... > > > > doesn't work for you? > > > > Can we a sample of your code please? > > > > Blue > > > > PS. What are kangaroos doing renting cars in Québec? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Etienne Rompré [mailto:rompre@kangouroute.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:22 PM > > To: Powerhouse List > > Subject: Order by with select if in PHWeb > > > > > > HI, > > > > OpenVMS 7.3 > > Powerhouse 8.30z1 > > Powerhouse Web 2.30z1 > > > > Is there a way to make an «order by» on my primary file in PhWEB after I > > made a »select if» on the same primary file? > > > > Thanks! > > > >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu >Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu >Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to >powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu >http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l >This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Bob.Berry@Cognos.com Thu May 29 15:03:25 2003 From: Bob.Berry@Cognos.com (Berry, Robert) Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:03:25 -0400 Subject: test Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C325EB.1288BFC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Robert Berry Director Customer Operations Phone 781-313-2270 Fax 781-229-6230 Email bob.berry@cognos.com This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error or are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disseminate or distribute it; do not open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C325EB.1288BFC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C325EB.1288BFC0-- From chuck.reinke@sbcglobal.net Fri May 30 15:54:03 2003 From: chuck.reinke@sbcglobal.net (chuck.reinke) Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 07:54:03 -0700 Subject: Order by with select if in PHWeb References: Message-ID: <002501c326bb$52b5eca0$be00000a@netdex.com> The Subfile technique should work, here is another suggestion of an approach: The major challenge is efficiency. 1 - In the Dictionary, declare an indexed file , indexed by the sort item. 2 - Construct an FDL to efficiently index this file. 3 - In the PostPath, do a WhileRetrieving on your current Primary file, include a Select clause with it, but make it a Designer File. 4. At the beginning of the PostPath, create the file with and FDL command statement 5. During the WhileRetrieving, do Puts (don't for get the Reset verb) to this previously non-existent file 6. Access this file ViaIndex of the sort item (you don't need a select anymore) 7. In the Exit procedure, purge the file. You may wish to lock and unlock it as well. I don't have a VMS system to try this out, but I've done it before with KSAM on an HP, and the technique is remarkably fast. Chuck From markus.grossrieder@alba-systems.com Fri May 30 12:34:31 2003 From: markus.grossrieder@alba-systems.com (Markus Grossrieder) Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:34:31 +0200 Subject: Order by with select if in PHWeb References: Message-ID: <009e01c3269f$78cc0d00$2501a8c0@albamarkusxp> Etienne, > The field I want to sort on is not indexed. Any workaround possible??? Besides modifying the dictionnary ? You could generate a subfile (before launching Quick, or from inside) in the desired order and use this subfile as your primary, with all the restrictions using subfiles in Quick. HTH, regards, Markus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Etienne Rompré" To: "Edis, Robert" Cc: "Powerhouse List" Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 7:48 PM Subject: Re: Order by with select if in PHWeb > HI Robert, > > The code sample is : > > FILE FKAFCES PRI > > SELECT IF ECIE_NUME OF FKAFCES = NUME_ECIE AND & > > EAJU_NUME OF FKAFCES = NUME_AJUS AND & > > (ECES_STAT OF FKAFCES = "R" OR ECES_STAT OF FKAFCES = "") > > > The field I want to sort on is not indexed. Any workaround possible??? > > Thanks! > > > -- > Etienne Rompré > Directeur Marketing - Technologies > Marketing - Technologies Director > > Kangouroute Inc. > Location autos - camions > Car & Truck Rental > Québec Canada > > tél: (418) 266-9500 > fax: (418) 683-2610 > courriel/email: rompre@kangouroute.com > internet: http://www.kangouroute.com/ > > > > > > G'day Etienne > > > > Are you saying that: > > > > ACCESS ... ORDER BY ... > > SELECT IF ... > > > > doesn't work for you? > > > > Can we a sample of your code please? > > > > Blue > > > > PS. What are kangaroos doing renting cars in Québec? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Etienne Rompré [mailto:rompre@kangouroute.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:22 PM > > To: Powerhouse List > > Subject: Order by with select if in PHWeb > > > > > > HI, > > > > OpenVMS 7.3 > > Powerhouse 8.30z1 > > Powerhouse Web 2.30z1 > > > > Is there a way to make an «order by» on my primary file in PhWEB after I > > made a »select if» on the same primary file? > > > > Thanks! > > > > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu > Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu > Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu > http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l > This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. > > From markus.grossrieder@alba-systems.com Fri May 30 12:38:39 2003 From: markus.grossrieder@alba-systems.com (Markus Grossrieder) Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:38:39 +0200 Subject: Order by with select if in PHWeb Message-ID: <00b801c326a0$0a61f2c0$2501a8c0@albamarkusxp> Sorry for that, I did't see the other (and way more informative) answers ! Not enough sleep ... we have kind of long nights here in Geneva at the moment Regards, Markus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Markus Grossrieder" To: "Etienne Rompré" Cc: "Powerhouse List" Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 1:34 PM Subject: Re: Order by with select if in PHWeb > Etienne, > > > The field I want to sort on is not indexed. Any workaround possible??? > > Besides modifying the dictionnary ? You could generate a subfile (before > launching Quick, or from inside) in the desired order and use this subfile > as your primary, with all the restrictions using subfiles in Quick. > > HTH, regards, > Markus > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Etienne Rompré" > To: "Edis, Robert" > Cc: "Powerhouse List" > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 7:48 PM > Subject: Re: Order by with select if in PHWeb > > > > HI Robert, > > > > The code sample is : > > > > FILE FKAFCES PRI > > > > SELECT IF ECIE_NUME OF FKAFCES = NUME_ECIE AND & > > > > EAJU_NUME OF FKAFCES = NUME_AJUS AND & > > > > (ECES_STAT OF FKAFCES = "R" OR ECES_STAT OF FKAFCES = "") > > > > > > The field I want to sort on is not indexed. Any workaround possible??? > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > -- > > Etienne Rompré > > Directeur Marketing - Technologies > > Marketing - Technologies Director > > > > Kangouroute Inc. > > Location autos - camions > > Car & Truck Rental > > Québec Canada > > > > tél: (418) 266-9500 > > fax: (418) 683-2610 > > courriel/email: rompre@kangouroute.com > > internet: http://www.kangouroute.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > G'day Etienne > > > > > > Are you saying that: > > > > > > ACCESS ... ORDER BY ... > > > SELECT IF ... > > > > > > doesn't work for you? > > > > > > Can we a sample of your code please? > > > > > > Blue > > > > > > PS. What are kangaroos doing renting cars in Québec? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Etienne Rompré [mailto:rompre@kangouroute.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:22 PM > > > To: Powerhouse List > > > Subject: Order by with select if in PHWeb > > > > > > > > > HI, > > > > > > OpenVMS 7.3 > > > Powerhouse 8.30z1 > > > Powerhouse Web 2.30z1 > > > > > > Is there a way to make an «order by» on my primary file in PhWEB after I > > > made a »select if» on the same primary file? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu > > Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu > > Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to > powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu > > http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l > > This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. > > > > > From david.heasman@schroders.com Fri May 30 14:07:47 2003 From: david.heasman@schroders.com (Heasman, David) Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 14:07:47 +0100 Subject: Failed "GET" in POSTFIND Message-ID: <3050B72D58AFD5119D0100D0B73E4C9301B80673@msxuk25.london.schroders.com> Hi there. This is HP3000 PH version 6.09, but I think it obtains everywhere. I have a screen, called by another screen which passes a TEMP item, that's the key to the Primary file in the lower screen. It's called in MODE F Now sometimes the Primary file has associated with it a file describing how the primary has been "split" into a number of sub-items that aren't on the primary file. Actually the TEMP item that keys the primary file defines the split ID too; the primary file is identified by the first 8 bytes, the split by the rest It's required to retrieve the split details if they're there, but not if they're not. Here's the code : - screen blah... activities find... Receiving & T-STP-DEAL-ID temp T-STP-DEAL-ID char * 14 reset at startup define D-STP-DEAL-ID character size 8 = T-STP-DEAL-ID[1:8] ; here's the main file : - file D-STP-ERROR-DEAL primary occurs 6 close open 1 access via STP-DEAL-ID using D-STP-DEAL-ID ;here's the "split" file : - file SDC6000B designer occurs with D-STP-ERROR-DEAL access via DEAL-ID-SPLIT using T-STP-DEAL-ID select if STP-TRADE-DATE of SDC6000B = STP-TRADE-DATE of D-STP-ERROR-DEAL So far so good. When it comes to picking up split records and their values, I do this : - procedure POSTFIND begin for D-STP-ERROR-DEAL begin get SDC6000B optional if accessok then begin let T-CLT-ALLOC-QTY = CLT-ALLOC-QTY of SDC6000B let T-CLT-NET-SETT-AMT = CLT-NET-SETT-AMT of SDC6000B end else begin let T-CLT-ALLOC-QTY = & CLT-ALLOC-QTY of D-STP-ERROR-DEAL let T-CLT-NET-SETT-AMT = & CLT-NET-SETT-AMT of D-STP-ERROR-DEAL end Now this works fine for splits; the correct fields display and everything. However, when there *isn't* a split, and record SDC6000B isn't present the retrieval of the Primary file doesn't happen : - "No records were found matching index/selection values" This is that old chestnut, where the GET for the designer file is in the POSTFIND procedure, and when ACCESS isn't OK the flag is set to say that the FIND has failed. My problem is that this retrieval is required for the initial display on the screen, those temps should show up as the screen is entered. How on earth can I get this retrieval to work?? Dave, puzzled in Cheapside. __________________________________________________________________ This message might contain confidential information. If it has been sent to you in error please do not forward it or copy it or act upon its contents, but report it to postmaster@schroders.com Schroders has the right lawfully to record, monitor and inspect messages between its employees and any third party. 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Schroder Investment Management Limited is entered on the FSA register under the following register number: 119348 Registered Office 31 Gresham Street London EC2V 7QA Registered number 1893220 VAT registration number 243 8687 30 From david.heasman@schroders.com Fri May 30 14:27:17 2003 From: david.heasman@schroders.com (Heasman, David) Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 14:27:17 +0100 Subject: Failed "GET" in POSTFIND Message-ID: <3050B72D58AFD5119D0100D0B73E4C9301B80674@msxuk25.london.schroders.com> Hi Tony - Still doing PowerHouse at MFI? DETAIL would be a good idea but my Primary file occurs 6. I can't do DETAIL if my Primary occurs more than once..or can I? Actually I might be able to alter the setup so the Primary only occurs the once... cheers Dave -----Original Message----- From: SAWYER, Anthony [mailto:tony.sawyer@mfi.co.uk] Sent: 30 May 2003 14:24 To: 'Heasman, David' Subject: RE: Failed "GET" in POSTFIND * Please Note : This message was received from the Internet * _____________________________________________________________ Hi David, Is there any reason you are not declaring the SDC6000B file as a detail file? __________________________________________________________________ This message might contain confidential information. If it has been sent to you in error please do not forward it or copy it or act upon its contents, but report it to postmaster@schroders.com Schroders has the right lawfully to record, monitor and inspect messages between its employees and any third party. 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Schroder Investment Management Limited is entered on the FSA register under the following register number: 119348 Registered Office 31 Gresham Street London EC2V 7QA Registered number 1893220 VAT registration number 243 8687 30 From Robert.Edis@blistex.com Fri May 30 14:32:51 2003 From: Robert.Edis@blistex.com (Edis, Robert) Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 08:32:51 -0500 Subject: Order by with select if in PHWeb Message-ID: <003EC701AC78D5119B180000D1EEC32C012F2164@BLISTEXEXC> But this would only work if the file was read only. What if the primary record needs to be updated? Blue -----Original Message----- From: chuck.reinke [mailto:chuck.reinke@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 9:54 AM To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: Re: Order by with select if in PHWeb The Subfile technique should work, here is another suggestion of an approach: The major challenge is efficiency. 1 - In the Dictionary, declare an indexed file , indexed by the sort item. 2 - Construct an FDL to efficiently index this file. 3 - In the PostPath, do a WhileRetrieving on your current Primary file, include a Select clause with it, but make it a Designer File. 4. At the beginning of the PostPath, create the file with and FDL command statement 5. During the WhileRetrieving, do Puts (don't for get the Reset verb) to this previously non-existent file 6. Access this file ViaIndex of the sort item (you don't need a select anymore) 7. In the Exit procedure, purge the file. You may wish to lock and unlock it as well. I don't have a VMS system to try this out, but I've done it before with KSAM on an HP, and the technique is remarkably fast. Chuck = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. From david.heasman@schroders.com Fri May 30 14:42:19 2003 From: david.heasman@schroders.com (Heasman, David) Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 14:42:19 +0100 Subject: Failed "GET" in POSTFIND Message-ID: <3050B72D58AFD5119D0100D0B73E4C9301B80675@msxuk25.london.schroders.com> Well, there's nothing quite like defining a problem in writing as an aid to solving it. I haven't done this yet, but my plan is to check whether the "split" file is present *before* calling the lower screen. Then pass a flag down as well as the key. And only read the "split" file if the flag is set. That should work, shouldn't it? -----Original Message----- From: Heasman, David Sent: 30 May 2003 14:27 To: 'SAWYER, Anthony'; Heasman, David Cc: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' Subject: RE: Failed "GET" in POSTFIND Hi Tony - Still doing PowerHouse at MFI? DETAIL would be a good idea but my Primary file occurs 6. I can't do DETAIL if my Primary occurs more than once..or can I? Actually I might be able to alter the setup so the Primary only occurs the once... cheers Dave -----Original Message----- From: SAWYER, Anthony [mailto:tony.sawyer@mfi.co.uk] Sent: 30 May 2003 14:24 To: 'Heasman, David' Subject: RE: Failed "GET" in POSTFIND * Please Note : This message was received from the Internet * _____________________________________________________________ Hi David, Is there any reason you are not declaring the SDC6000B file as a detail file? __________________________________________________________________ This message might contain confidential information. If it has been sent to you in error please do not forward it or copy it or act upon its contents, but report it to postmaster@schroders.com Schroders has the right lawfully to record, monitor and inspect messages between its employees and any third party. 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Schroder Investment Management Limited is entered on the FSA register under the following register number: 119348 Registered Office 31 Gresham Street London EC2V 7QA Registered number 1893220 VAT registration number 243 8687 30 From Robert.Edis@blistex.com Fri May 30 14:43:33 2003 From: Robert.Edis@blistex.com (Edis, Robert) Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 08:43:33 -0500 Subject: Failed "GET" in POSTFIND Message-ID: <003EC701AC78D5119B180000D1EEC32C012F2165@BLISTEXEXC> G'day David I think detail should work with the OCCURS WITH ... Also why don't you put OPTIONAL on the ACCESS statement for the 'split' file? If I understand your coding correctly you are telling Quick that there will always be at least one 'split' record for each primary record. I.e. one to many, whereas the relationship is realy zero or one to many hence the need for OPTIONAL. Regards, Blue -----Original Message----- From: Heasman, David [mailto:david.heasman@schroders.com] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 8:08 AM To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' Subject: Failed "GET" in POSTFIND Hi there. This is HP3000 PH version 6.09, but I think it obtains everywhere. I have a screen, called by another screen which passes a TEMP item, that's the key to the Primary file in the lower screen. It's called in MODE F Now sometimes the Primary file has associated with it a file describing how the primary has been "split" into a number of sub-items that aren't on the primary file. Actually the TEMP item that keys the primary file defines the split ID too; the primary file is identified by the first 8 bytes, the split by the rest It's required to retrieve the split details if they're there, but not if they're not. Here's the code : - screen blah... activities find... Receiving & T-STP-DEAL-ID temp T-STP-DEAL-ID char * 14 reset at startup define D-STP-DEAL-ID character size 8 = T-STP-DEAL-ID[1:8] ; here's the main file : - file D-STP-ERROR-DEAL primary occurs 6 close open 1 access via STP-DEAL-ID using D-STP-DEAL-ID ;here's the "split" file : - file SDC6000B designer occurs with D-STP-ERROR-DEAL access via DEAL-ID-SPLIT using T-STP-DEAL-ID select if STP-TRADE-DATE of SDC6000B = STP-TRADE-DATE of D-STP-ERROR-DEAL So far so good. When it comes to picking up split records and their values, I do this : - procedure POSTFIND begin for D-STP-ERROR-DEAL begin get SDC6000B optional if accessok then begin let T-CLT-ALLOC-QTY = CLT-ALLOC-QTY of SDC6000B let T-CLT-NET-SETT-AMT = CLT-NET-SETT-AMT of SDC6000B end else begin let T-CLT-ALLOC-QTY = & CLT-ALLOC-QTY of D-STP-ERROR-DEAL let T-CLT-NET-SETT-AMT = & CLT-NET-SETT-AMT of D-STP-ERROR-DEAL end Now this works fine for splits; the correct fields display and everything. However, when there *isn't* a split, and record SDC6000B isn't present the retrieval of the Primary file doesn't happen : - "No records were found matching index/selection values" This is that old chestnut, where the GET for the designer file is in the POSTFIND procedure, and when ACCESS isn't OK the flag is set to say that the FIND has failed. My problem is that this retrieval is required for the initial display on the screen, those temps should show up as the screen is entered. How on earth can I get this retrieval to work?? Dave, puzzled in Cheapside. __________________________________________________________________ This message might contain confidential information. If it has been sent to you in error please do not forward it or copy it or act upon its contents, but report it to postmaster@schroders.com Schroders has the right lawfully to record, monitor and inspect messages between its employees and any third party. Your messages shall be subject to such lawful supervision as Schroders deems to be necessary in order to protect its information, its interests and its reputation. Schroders prohibits and takes steps to prevent its information systems from being used to view, store or forward offensive or discriminatory material. If this message contains such material please report it to abuse@schroders.com Schroders does not normally accept or offer business instructions via email. Any action that you might take upon this message might be at your own risk. Schroder Investment Management Limited 31 Gresham Street London EC2V 7QA Authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority. Schroder Investment Management Limited is entered on the FSA register under the following register number: 119348 Registered Office 31 Gresham Street London EC2V 7QA Registered number 1893220 VAT registration number 243 8687 30 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. From palandri@4j.lane.edu Fri May 30 14:42:47 2003 From: palandri@4j.lane.edu (Mike Palandri) Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 06:42:47 -0700 Subject: Failed "GET" in POSTFIND Message-ID: <5.2.0.8.2.20030530063122.00ab1dc8@eug4ja.lane.edu> My Powerhouse is a little rusty, but a couple things occur to me. I believe you are correct in that you can't have detail with an occurring primary. Can you reset ACCESSOK to True by doing a GET at the very end of Postfind that you know will succeed? If you have a code table or some other reference file that is always going to have a known value, you could set it up as a designer and use it, e.g. GET file VIA keyitem USING valuethatwillalwaysbethere OPT At 02:07 PM 05/30/2003 +0100, you wrote: > >Hi there. This is HP3000 PH version 6.09, but I think it obtains everywhere. >I have a screen, called by another screen which passes a TEMP item, that's >the key to >the Primary file in the lower screen. It's called in MODE F > >Now sometimes the Primary file has associated with it a file describing how >the >primary has been "split" into a number of sub-items that aren't on the >primary file. > >Actually the TEMP item that keys the primary file defines the split ID too; >the >primary file is identified by the first 8 bytes, the split by the rest > >It's required to retrieve the split details if they're there, but not if >they're not. > >Here's the code : - > > > >screen blah... > activities find... >Receiving & > >T-STP-DEAL-ID > > > >temp T-STP-DEAL-ID char * 14 reset at startup > >define D-STP-DEAL-ID character size 8 = T-STP-DEAL-ID[1:8] > > > >; here's the main file : - > >file D-STP-ERROR-DEAL primary occurs 6 close open 1 > >access via STP-DEAL-ID using D-STP-DEAL-ID > >;here's the "split" file : - > >file SDC6000B designer occurs with D-STP-ERROR-DEAL > >access via DEAL-ID-SPLIT using T-STP-DEAL-ID > >select if STP-TRADE-DATE of SDC6000B = STP-TRADE-DATE of D-STP-ERROR-DEAL > > > >So far so good. > >When it comes to picking up split records and their values, I do this : - > >procedure POSTFIND > >begin > > for D-STP-ERROR-DEAL > > begin > > get SDC6000B optional > > if accessok > > then begin > > let T-CLT-ALLOC-QTY = CLT-ALLOC-QTY of SDC6000B > > let T-CLT-NET-SETT-AMT = CLT-NET-SETT-AMT of SDC6000B > > end > > else begin > > let T-CLT-ALLOC-QTY = & > > CLT-ALLOC-QTY of D-STP-ERROR-DEAL > > let T-CLT-NET-SETT-AMT = & > > CLT-NET-SETT-AMT of D-STP-ERROR-DEAL > > end > > > > Now this works fine for splits; the correct fields display and everything. > >However, when there *isn't* a split, and record SDC6000B isn't present the > >retrieval of the Primary file doesn't happen : - > >"No records were found matching index/selection values" > >This is that old chestnut, where the GET for the designer file is in the >POSTFIND procedure, > >and when ACCESS isn't OK the flag is set to say that the FIND has failed. > >My problem is that this retrieval is required for the initial display on the >screen, those temps should show up > >as the screen is entered. How on earth can I get this retrieval to work?? > >Dave, puzzled in Cheapside. > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________________________ > > >This message might contain confidential information. If it has been sent >to you in error please do not forward it or copy it or act upon its >contents, but report it to postmaster@schroders.com > >Schroders has the right lawfully to record, monitor and inspect messages >between its employees and any third party. Your messages shall be subject >to such lawful supervision as Schroders deems to be necessary in order to >protect its information, its interests and its reputation. > >Schroders prohibits and takes steps to prevent its information systems >from being used to view, store or forward offensive or discriminatory >material. If this message contains such material please report it to >abuse@schroders.com > >Schroders does not normally accept or offer business instructions via >email. 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From Robert.Edis@blistex.com Fri May 30 14:58:15 2003 From: Robert.Edis@blistex.com (Edis, Robert) Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 08:58:15 -0500 Subject: Failed "GET" in POSTFIND Message-ID: <003EC701AC78D5119B180000D1EEC32C012F2166@BLISTEXEXC> Rusty Mike is correct about not being able to use a DETAIL file with a PRIMARY files that occurs more than once on a screen. I just checked the manual. "Limit: One DETAIL record-structure per QUICK screen. You can't declare both a PRIMARY and a DETAIL record-structure with multiple occurrences in the same screen design." Blue -----Original Message----- From: Mike Palandri [mailto:palandri@4j.lane.edu] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 8:43 AM To: Heasman, David; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: Re: Failed "GET" in POSTFIND My Powerhouse is a little rusty, but a couple things occur to me. I believe you are correct in that you can't have detail with an occurring primary. Can you reset ACCESSOK to True by doing a GET at the very end of Postfind that you know will succeed? If you have a code table or some other reference file that is always going to have a known value, you could set it up as a designer and use it, e.g. GET file VIA keyitem USING valuethatwillalwaysbethere OPT At 02:07 PM 05/30/2003 +0100, you wrote: > >Hi there. This is HP3000 PH version 6.09, but I think it obtains everywhere. >I have a screen, called by another screen which passes a TEMP item, that's >the key to >the Primary file in the lower screen. It's called in MODE F > >Now sometimes the Primary file has associated with it a file describing how >the >primary has been "split" into a number of sub-items that aren't on the >primary file. > >Actually the TEMP item that keys the primary file defines the split ID too; >the >primary file is identified by the first 8 bytes, the split by the rest > >It's required to retrieve the split details if they're there, but not if >they're not. > >Here's the code : - > > > >screen blah... > activities find... >Receiving & > >T-STP-DEAL-ID > > > >temp T-STP-DEAL-ID char * 14 reset at startup > >define D-STP-DEAL-ID character size 8 = T-STP-DEAL-ID[1:8] > > > >; here's the main file : - > >file D-STP-ERROR-DEAL primary occurs 6 close open 1 > >access via STP-DEAL-ID using D-STP-DEAL-ID > >;here's the "split" file : - > >file SDC6000B designer occurs with D-STP-ERROR-DEAL > >access via DEAL-ID-SPLIT using T-STP-DEAL-ID > >select if STP-TRADE-DATE of SDC6000B = STP-TRADE-DATE of D-STP-ERROR-DEAL > > > >So far so good. > >When it comes to picking up split records and their values, I do this : - > >procedure POSTFIND > >begin > > for D-STP-ERROR-DEAL > > begin > > get SDC6000B optional > > if accessok > > then begin > > let T-CLT-ALLOC-QTY = CLT-ALLOC-QTY of SDC6000B > > let T-CLT-NET-SETT-AMT = CLT-NET-SETT-AMT of SDC6000B > > end > > else begin > > let T-CLT-ALLOC-QTY = & > > CLT-ALLOC-QTY of D-STP-ERROR-DEAL > > let T-CLT-NET-SETT-AMT = & > > CLT-NET-SETT-AMT of D-STP-ERROR-DEAL > > end > > > > Now this works fine for splits; the correct fields display and everything. > >However, when there *isn't* a split, and record SDC6000B isn't present the > >retrieval of the Primary file doesn't happen : - > >"No records were found matching index/selection values" > >This is that old chestnut, where the GET for the designer file is in the >POSTFIND procedure, > >and when ACCESS isn't OK the flag is set to say that the FIND has failed. > >My problem is that this retrieval is required for the initial display on the >screen, those temps should show up > >as the screen is entered. How on earth can I get this retrieval to work?? > >Dave, puzzled in Cheapside. > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________________________ > > >This message might contain confidential information. If it has been sent >to you in error please do not forward it or copy it or act upon its >contents, but report it to postmaster@schroders.com > >Schroders has the right lawfully to record, monitor and inspect messages >between its employees and any third party. Your messages shall be subject >to such lawful supervision as Schroders deems to be necessary in order to >protect its information, its interests and its reputation. > >Schroders prohibits and takes steps to prevent its information systems >from being used to view, store or forward offensive or discriminatory >material. If this message contains such material please report it to >abuse@schroders.com > >Schroders does not normally accept or offer business instructions via >email. Any action that you might take upon this message might be at your >own risk. > > > >Schroder Investment Management Limited >31 Gresham Street >London EC2V 7QA > >Authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority. Schroder >Investment Management Limited is entered on the FSA register under the >following register number: 119348 > >Registered Office >31 Gresham Street >London EC2V 7QA > >Registered number 1893220 >VAT registration number 243 8687 30 > >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu >Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu >Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to >powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu >http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l >This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. Mike . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. From rmhill@core.com Fri May 30 15:20:30 2003 From: rmhill@core.com (Rick Hill) Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:20:30 -0400 Subject: Order by with select if in PHWeb Message-ID: <200305301420.h4UEKM1u043954@mail0.mx.voyager.net> I think the following could allow the screen to be used for updates to the file that is missing the ideal index: Make sure the new, temporary indexed file contains the fields that are the segments of the primary index of the Primary file (step 5 below in Chuck's response would need LETs for each of those fields). As Chuck said, make the file ("REAL_FILE") we are wanting to update a DESIGNER file. Then in a POSTUPDATE procedure, update that file with something like this: PROCEDURE POSTUPDATE BEGIN FOR TEMP_FILE BEGIN GET REAL_FILE VIA THE_INDEX USING FIELD_A, FIELD_B,... OF TEMP_FILE LET FIELD_C OF REAL_FILE = FIELD_C OF TEMP_FILE LET FIELD_D OF REAL_FILE = FIELD_D OF TEMP_FILE ... PUT REAL_FILE reset END END Hope this helps! Rick Hill > But this would only work if the file was read only. What if the primary > record needs to be updated? > > Blue > > -----Original Message----- > From: chuck.reinke [mailto:chuck.reinke@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 9:54 AM > To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu > Subject: Re: Order by with select if in PHWeb > > > The Subfile technique should work, here is another suggestion of an > approach: > > The major challenge is efficiency. > > 1 - In the Dictionary, declare an indexed file , indexed by the sort item. > 2 - Construct an FDL to efficiently index this file. > 3 - In the PostPath, do a WhileRetrieving on your current Primary file, > include a Select clause with it, but make it a Designer File. > > 4. At the beginning of the PostPath, create the file with and FDL command > statement > 5. During the WhileRetrieving, do Puts (don't for get the Reset verb) to > this previously non-existent file > 6. Access this file ViaIndex of the sort item (you don't need a select > anymore) > 7. In the Exit procedure, purge the file. You may wish to lock and unlock it > as well. > > I don't have a VMS system to try this out, but I've done it before with KSAM > on an HP, and the technique is remarkably fast. > > Chuck > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu > Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l- request@lists.swau.edu > Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to > powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu > http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l > This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu > Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l- request@lists.swau.edu > Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l- request@lists.swau.edu > http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l > This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. > -- CoreComm Webmail. http://home.core.com From rompre@kangouroute.com Fri May 30 15:41:36 2003 From: rompre@kangouroute.com (Etienne Rompr=?ISO-8859-1?B?6Q==?=) Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:41:36 -0400 Subject: Order by with select if in PHWeb In-Reply-To: <003EC701AC78D5119B180000D1EEC32C012F2164@BLISTEXEXC> Message-ID: No , The file does not need to be updated. For display only. Thanks! -- Etienne Rompré Directeur Marketing - Technologies Marketing - Technologies Director Kangouroute Inc. Location autos - camions Car & Truck Rental Québec Canada tél: (418) 266-9500 fax: (418) 683-2610 courriel/email: rompre@kangouroute.com internet: http://www.kangouroute.com/ > But this would only work if the file was read only. What if the primary > record needs to be updated? > > Blue > > -----Original Message----- > From: chuck.reinke [mailto:chuck.reinke@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 9:54 AM > To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu > Subject: Re: Order by with select if in PHWeb > > > The Subfile technique should work, here is another suggestion of an > approach: > > The major challenge is efficiency. > > 1 - In the Dictionary, declare an indexed file , indexed by the sort item. > 2 - Construct an FDL to efficiently index this file. > 3 - In the PostPath, do a WhileRetrieving on your current Primary file, > include a Select clause with it, but make it a Designer File. > > 4. At the beginning of the PostPath, create the file with and FDL command > statement > 5. During the WhileRetrieving, do Puts (don't for get the Reset verb) to > this previously non-existent file > 6. Access this file ViaIndex of the sort item (you don't need a select > anymore) > 7. In the Exit procedure, purge the file. You may wish to lock and unlock it > as well. > > I don't have a VMS system to try this out, but I've done it before with KSAM > on an HP, and the technique is remarkably fast. > > Chuck > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu > Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu > Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to > powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu > http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l > This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu > Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu > Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to > powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu > http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l > This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber. > From Eric.Hoppe@steelscape-inc.com Fri May 30 16:54:32 2003 From: Eric.Hoppe@steelscape-inc.com (Hoppe, Eric EP) Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 08:54:32 -0700 Subject: Order by with select if in PHWeb Message-ID: <2A2E8A0A9FCFC048A6C97AC75BCCCAC401B90D37@hornet.steelscape-inc.com> Etienne- I have only been casually reading your thread, so if this solution is off-base I apologize. At first your question was about sorting in Quiz but this message refers to Quick? I can't quickly find the previous thread, but I sent a bunch of code snippets to someone a while ago pertaining to our extensive use of special RMS sorting files. We are OpenVMS (fortunately). We have an indexed record called SORTFILE with a single 100 char field. The field is a repeating primary ascending key. Record: SORTFILE of File: SORTFILE Organization: INDEXED Type: RMS Open: SORTFILE Record Format: Fixed Supersede: No Record Size: 100 Bytes -- Record Contents -- Item Type Size Occ Offset KY-SORTFILE CHARACTER 100 0 -- Index Contents -- ** KY-SORTFILE is a 100 byte REPEATING PRIMARY ASCENDING index ** Segment Type Size KY-SORTFILE CHARACTER 100 SORTFILE is populated however we want so as to properly sort the data. For instance, names will sort: Adam, Bruno, Charley, David. But lets say we want to sort on the names of the cars they drive which is not an indexed key: Ford, Chevy, Dodge, GM (respectively). So, as we loop through the records, we 'put' to an empty SORTFILE with the car type first. After the put, the populated file will look something like: Ford Adam Chevy Bruno Dodge Charley GM David Now when you do a WHILE RETRIEVING on SORTFILE, the data is returned in the order you want... by car. There is a bit of tricky code to create uniquely defined files so every user is pointed to their own sortfile in the case it is being used concurrently. I can send sample code to you if this is what you want. ---ehops Eric Hoppe Senior System Analyst Steelscape Kalama, Washington, USA (360) 673-8247 -----Original Message----- From: Markus Grossrieder [mailto:markus.grossrieder@alba-systems.com] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 4:35 AM To: Etienne Rompré Cc: Powerhouse List Subject: Re: Order by with select if in PHWeb Etienne, > The field I want to sort on is not indexed. Any workaround > possible??? Besides modifying the dictionnary ? You could generate a subfile (before launching Quick, or from inside) in the desired order and use this subfile as your primary, with all the restrictions using subfiles in Quick. HTH, regards, Markus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Etienne Rompré" To: "Edis, Robert" Cc: "Powerhouse List" Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 7:48 PM Subject: Re: Order by with select if in PHWeb > HI Robert, > > The code sample is : > > FILE FKAFCES PRI > > SELECT IF ECIE_NUME OF FKAFCES = NUME_ECIE AND & > > EAJU_NUME OF FKAFCES = NUME_AJUS AND & > > (ECES_STAT OF FKAFCES = "R" OR ECES_STAT OF FKAFCES = "") > > > The field I want to sort on is not indexed. Any workaround > possible??? > > Thanks! > > > -- > Etienne Rompré > Directeur Marketing - Technologies > Marketing - Technologies Director > > Kangouroute Inc. > Location autos - camions > Car & Truck Rental > Québec Canada > > tél: (418) 266-9500 > fax: (418) 683-2610 > courriel/email: rompre@kangouroute.com > internet: http://www.kangouroute.com/ > > > > > > G'day Etienne > > > > Are you saying that: > > > > ACCESS ... ORDER BY ... > > SELECT IF ... > > > > doesn't work for you? > > > > Can we a sample of your code please? > > > > Blue > > > > PS. What are kangaroos doing renting cars in Québec? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Etienne Rompré [mailto:rompre@kangouroute.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:22 PM > > To: Powerhouse List > > Subject: Order by with select if in PHWeb > > > > > > HI, > > > > OpenVMS 7.3 > > Powerhouse 8.30z1 > > Powerhouse Web 2.30z1 > > > > Is there a way to make an «order by» on my primary file in PhWEB > > after I made a »select if» on the same primary file? > > > > Thanks! > > > > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: > powerh-l@lists.swau.edu > Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to > powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu > Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu > http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l > This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a > subscriber. > > From mail@kevinerne.co.uk Sat May 31 14:04:24 2003 From: mail@kevinerne.co.uk (Kevin Erne) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 14:04:24 +0100 Subject: Failed "GET" in POSTFIND In-Reply-To: <3050B72D58AFD5119D0100D0B73E4C9301B80673@msxuk25.london.schroders.com> Message-ID: <3ED7676E00001104@mk-cpfrontend-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com> If you are not updating the designer file what about declaring it as a reference file. Access of reference files is always optional in Find mode Then in the postfind do something like procedure postfind begin for primary file begin if some_key value of reference file is 0 or blank then assign temps from primary else assign temps from reference file end end Even if you have to update the file - you could always open an alias version of it as a designer file and update that Cheers >-- Original Message -- >From: "Heasman, David" >To: "'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu'" >Subject: Failed "GET" in POSTFIND >Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 14:07:47 +0100 > > > Hi there. This is HP3000 PH version 6.09, but I think it obtains everywhere. I have a screen, called by another screen which passes a TEMP item, that's the key to the Primary file in the lower screen. It's called in MODE F Now sometimes the P >imary file has associated with it a file describing how the primary has been "split" into a number of sub-items that aren't on the primary file. Actually the TEMP item that keys the primary file defines the split ID too; the primary file is i >entified by the first 8 bytes, the split by the rest It's required to retrieve the split details if they're there, but not if they're not. Here's the code : - screen blah... activities find... Receiving & T-STP-DEAL-ID > temp T-STP-DEAL-ID char * 14 reset at startup define D-STP-DEAL-ID character size 8 = T-STP-DEAL-ID[1:8] ; here's the main file : - file D-STP-ERROR-DEAL primary occurs 6 close open 1 access via STP-DEAL-ID using D-STP-DEAL-ID ;h >re's the "split" file : - file SDC6000B designer occurs with D-STP-ERROR-DEAL access via DEAL-ID-SPLIT using T-STP-DEAL-ID select if STP-TRADE-DATE of SDC6000B = STP-TRADE-DATE of D-STP-ERROR-DEAL So far so good. When it comes t > picking up split records and their values, I do this : - procedure POSTFIND begin for D-STP-ERROR-DEAL begin get SDC6000B optional if accessok then begin let T-CLT-ALLOC-QTY = CLT-ALLOC-QTY o > SDC6000B let T-CLT-NET-SETT-AMT = CLT-NET-SETT-AMT of SDC6000B end else begin let T-CLT-ALLOC-QTY = & CLT-ALLOC-QTY of D-STP-ERROR-DEAL let T-CLT-NET >SETT-AMT = & CLT-NET-SETT-AMT of D-STP-ERROR-DEAL end Now this works fine for splits; the correct fields display and everything. However, when there *isn't* a split, and record SDC6000B isn't pr >sent the retrieval of the Primary file doesn't happen : - "No records were found matching index/selection values" This is that old chestnut, where the GET for the designer file is in the POSTFIND procedure, and when ACCESS isn't OK the fl >g is set to say that the FIND has failed. My problem is that this retrieval is required for the initial display on the screen, those temps should show up as the screen is entered. How on earth can I get this retrieval to work?? Dave, puzzled >n Cheapside. __________________________________________________________________ This message might contain confidential information. If it has been sent to you in error please do not forward it or copy it or act upon its cont >nts, but report it to postmaster@schroders.com Schroders has the right lawfully to record, monitor and inspect messages between its employees and any third party. Your messages shall be subject to such lawful supervision as Schroders deems to be nec >ssary in order to protect its information, its interests and its reputation. Schroders prohibits and takes steps to prevent its information systems from being used to view, store or forward offensive or discriminatory material. If this message conta >ns such material please report it to abuse@schroders.com Schroders does not normally accept or offer business instructions via email. Any action that you might take upon this message might be at your own risk. Schroder Investment Management L >mited 31 Gresham Street London EC2V 7QA Authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority. Schroder Investment Management Limited is entered on the FSA register under the following register number: 119348 Registered Office 31 Gresha > Street London EC2V 7QA Registered number 1893220 VAT registration number 243 8687 30 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mailing list: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subscribe: "subscribe" in message body to powerh-l-request@lis >s.swau.edu Unsubscribe: "unsubscribe " in message body to powerh-l-request@lists.swau.edu http://lists.swau.edu/mailman/listinfo/powerh-l This list is closed, thus to post to the list you must be a subscriber.