HP3000 Powerhouse Openings in India

[Edis, Robert]

Being an ex-H1B myself it was in my own interest to be knowledgeable about
this issue.  My primary sources were Talent Economy magazine (was Contract
Professional www.talenteconomymag.com), a legal newsletter I subscribed to
(I'll have to dig up the URL at home), and the INS web site itself
(www.bcis.gov).

I will find what I can.  As the subject has digressed somewhat from Cognos
ADT issues perhaps I can send the results directly to any listers who desire
the info.  Please let me know personally if you want it.

Blue

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon (Jarod) Hawks [mailto:hawksj@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 2:17 PM
To: Edis, Robert; Powerh-L (E-mail)
Subject: RE: HP3000 Powerhouse Openings in India


You must have something else to do other than monitor
the INS stats, but, since you desire to elevate this
to a personal mission, I had to add that I think that
your zest for facts may outweigh the facts themselves.
My take is the same. Perhaps you can help us by
obtaining these facts from the INS which you appear to
have a close association with. I'd love to see what
you turn up.

--- "Edis, Robert" <Robert.Edis@blistex.com> wrote:
> Jon Hawks wrote:
> "All opinions are needed on this."
> 
> I agree that all should be allowed to present their
> opinion.  However such
> opinions must not obscure the facts.
> 
> "You left out a detail though, the countries that
> are also suffering
> unemployment, are not necessarily in the computer
> industry ..."
> 
> My understanding of the situation in Germany is that
> computer professionals
> ARE in the ranks of the unemployed.  Botswana is
> wealthy through primary
> resources such as diamonds so I don't know about the
> IT work situation there
> - I'll ask my brother-in-law in Gaborone.
> 
> From what I've read even Indian IT professionals are
> suffering with many
> being laid off and smaller companies going bust due
> to the downturn in
> demand from overseas.
> 
> I would like to hear from computer professionals in
> those countries that are
> suffering high unemployment if their profession is
> affected.
> 
> "where the majority of H1's are issued."
> 
> That is not correct.  The primary recipients of H1
> visas are engineers
> (including programmers), teachers and nurses.  I
> believe engineers outnumber
> teachers and nurses but no significantly.  Of the
> engineering classification
> at least 50% are computer professionals.  However
> the latest stats from the
> INS show that the previous and the current year's H1
> quota s are unfilled,
> particularly in the engineering class.  The facts on
> H1 issues are somewhat
> vague but generally available from sources such as
> the INS itself.  What
> numbers do you have and where do those numbers come
> from?
> 
> "Also, you left out South Africa ... did have a
> place to go, the USA."
> 
> Actually South African professionals went to many
> destinations.  There is a
> sizable Afrikaans contingent in Sydney and I knew
> many ex-South Africans in
> Perth.  The U.K. has also been a significant
> receiver of South African
> talent.  In 9 years of working in various parts of
> the USA I have only met 2
> South African computer professionals.  How many do
> you know?
> 
> Regards,
> Blue
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon (Jarod) Hawks [mailto:hawksj@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 1:18 PM
> To: Edis, Robert; Powerh-L (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: HP3000 Powerhouse Openings in India
> 
> 
> All opinions are needed on this. You left out a
> detail
> though, the countries that are also suffering
> unemployment, are not necessarily in the computer
> industry, where the majority of H1's are issued.
> Also,
> you left out South Africa, which had a mass
> migration
> of professionals a few years back, escaping the
> retribution of apartheid. The professionals in our
> industry did have a place to go, the USA.
> 
> --- "Edis, Robert" <Robert.Edis@blistex.com> wrote:
> > G'day all
> > 
> > Some further info on this gig and some of my own
> > observations if you please.
> > 
> > I asked the following:
> > 
> > Q. Are the positions open only to candidates
> > residing in the areas you
> > indicate? (Pune, Bangalore, Chennai)?
> > A. Positions are open to outside locations if they
> > can relocate
> > A. Client deals indirectly with Defence - so
> Indians
> > preferred!
> > 
> > Q. When you say that "Salaries are very
> competitive"
> > what are you comparing
> > with, only those places above or globally?
> > A. Foremost reason cited by the client could also
> be
> > .. the remuneration..
> > The average package offered are $800 (USD) - Rs.
> > 40000 per month which
> > anyway would automatically mean that only Indian's
> > can work for that salary
> > in India.
> > 
> > I would like to point out that in both the USA and
> > Australia ONLY citizens
> > of those countries are allowed to work on defence
> > related gigs.  There are
> > rare exceptions but that is the rule.  That
> includes
> > directly working for
> > the DOD, government offices doing work related to
> > the DOD (or even "Homeland
> > Security"), and private firms directly or
> indirectly
> > working on DOD
> > projects.  I received a postcard from Raytheon the
> > other day that stated
> > specifically that I had to be a USA citizen to
> work
> > for them.
> > 
> > Jon Hawks said "There are many American citizens
> out
> > of work this day."
> > Name ONE country where this is not the case?  The
> > unemployment rate in the
> > USA is 6.1%.  This might seem a lot to you but how
> > about 16% in Germany or
> > 40%+ in Botswana, both affluent nations.  People
> in
> > the USA directly and
> > indirectly exploit people in other nations to make
> > their lives better but in
> > many cases make the economic situation in those
> > other nations worse.  The
> > USA can no more survive without its economic ties
> to
> > the rest of the world
> > or without the continual inflow of fresh
> immigrants
> > than a shark in a tide
> > pool. 
> > 
> > How many Americans work in other countries?
> > 
> > I came to the USA for adventure at a time when my
> > skills were in high
> > demand.  I'm still here because I can't afford to
> > leave, I have made so many
> > good friends - mainly American citizens - who
> don't
> > want me to leave, and
> > because my skills are STILL in high demand.  My
> > gross income is higher than
> > average so I don't get my work by undercutting an
> US
> > citizen, I contribute
> > in every way legally possible to this great nation
> > and my local community,
> > and I thank all those kind and generous American
> > friends who have made my
> > life here fulfilling.
> > 
> > Blue
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Peter Bateman [mailto:shediac92@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:28 AM
> > To: hawksj@yahoo.com; Fernando.Olmos@alcoa.com.au;
> > powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
> > Subject: RE: HP3000 Powerhouse Openings in India
> > 
> > 
> > Hi!
> > I was told that the client is the Indian
> government.
> > Do the other 
> > governments also
> > restrict who can do work for them? It seems rather
> > silly. You would think 
> > that they
> > want the best people available working on their
> > projects!
> > 
> > 
> > >From: "Jon \(Jarod\) Hawks" <hawksj@yahoo.com>
> > >To: "Olmos, Fernando \(Sericon at Alcoa\)"
> 
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