HP3000 Powerhouse Openings in India
Edis, Robert
Robert.Edis@blistex.com
Tue, 8 Jul 2003 13:35:49 -0500
Jon Hawks wrote:
"All opinions are needed on this."
I agree that all should be allowed to present their opinion. However such
opinions must not obscure the facts.
"You left out a detail though, the countries that are also suffering
unemployment, are not necessarily in the computer industry ..."
My understanding of the situation in Germany is that computer professionals
ARE in the ranks of the unemployed. Botswana is wealthy through primary
resources such as diamonds so I don't know about the IT work situation there
- I'll ask my brother-in-law in Gaborone.
>From what I've read even Indian IT professionals are suffering with many
being laid off and smaller companies going bust due to the downturn in
demand from overseas.
I would like to hear from computer professionals in those countries that are
suffering high unemployment if their profession is affected.
"where the majority of H1's are issued."
That is not correct. The primary recipients of H1 visas are engineers
(including programmers), teachers and nurses. I believe engineers outnumber
teachers and nurses but no significantly. Of the engineering classification
at least 50% are computer professionals. However the latest stats from the
INS show that the previous and the current year's H1 quota s are unfilled,
particularly in the engineering class. The facts on H1 issues are somewhat
vague but generally available from sources such as the INS itself. What
numbers do you have and where do those numbers come from?
"Also, you left out South Africa ... did have a place to go, the USA."
Actually South African professionals went to many destinations. There is a
sizable Afrikaans contingent in Sydney and I knew many ex-South Africans in
Perth. The U.K. has also been a significant receiver of South African
talent. In 9 years of working in various parts of the USA I have only met 2
South African computer professionals. How many do you know?
Regards,
Blue
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon (Jarod) Hawks [mailto:hawksj@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 1:18 PM
To: Edis, Robert; Powerh-L (E-mail)
Subject: RE: HP3000 Powerhouse Openings in India
All opinions are needed on this. You left out a detail
though, the countries that are also suffering
unemployment, are not necessarily in the computer
industry, where the majority of H1's are issued. Also,
you left out South Africa, which had a mass migration
of professionals a few years back, escaping the
retribution of apartheid. The professionals in our
industry did have a place to go, the USA.
--- "Edis, Robert" <Robert.Edis@blistex.com> wrote:
> G'day all
>
> Some further info on this gig and some of my own
> observations if you please.
>
> I asked the following:
>
> Q. Are the positions open only to candidates
> residing in the areas you
> indicate? (Pune, Bangalore, Chennai)?
> A. Positions are open to outside locations if they
> can relocate
> A. Client deals indirectly with Defence - so Indians
> preferred!
>
> Q. When you say that "Salaries are very competitive"
> what are you comparing
> with, only those places above or globally?
> A. Foremost reason cited by the client could also be
> .. the remuneration..
> The average package offered are $800 (USD) - Rs.
> 40000 per month which
> anyway would automatically mean that only Indian's
> can work for that salary
> in India.
>
> I would like to point out that in both the USA and
> Australia ONLY citizens
> of those countries are allowed to work on defence
> related gigs. There are
> rare exceptions but that is the rule. That includes
> directly working for
> the DOD, government offices doing work related to
> the DOD (or even "Homeland
> Security"), and private firms directly or indirectly
> working on DOD
> projects. I received a postcard from Raytheon the
> other day that stated
> specifically that I had to be a USA citizen to work
> for them.
>
> Jon Hawks said "There are many American citizens out
> of work this day."
> Name ONE country where this is not the case? The
> unemployment rate in the
> USA is 6.1%. This might seem a lot to you but how
> about 16% in Germany or
> 40%+ in Botswana, both affluent nations. People in
> the USA directly and
> indirectly exploit people in other nations to make
> their lives better but in
> many cases make the economic situation in those
> other nations worse. The
> USA can no more survive without its economic ties to
> the rest of the world
> or without the continual inflow of fresh immigrants
> than a shark in a tide
> pool.
>
> How many Americans work in other countries?
>
> I came to the USA for adventure at a time when my
> skills were in high
> demand. I'm still here because I can't afford to
> leave, I have made so many
> good friends - mainly American citizens - who don't
> want me to leave, and
> because my skills are STILL in high demand. My
> gross income is higher than
> average so I don't get my work by undercutting an US
> citizen, I contribute
> in every way legally possible to this great nation
> and my local community,
> and I thank all those kind and generous American
> friends who have made my
> life here fulfilling.
>
> Blue
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Bateman [mailto:shediac92@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:28 AM
> To: hawksj@yahoo.com; Fernando.Olmos@alcoa.com.au;
> powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
> Subject: RE: HP3000 Powerhouse Openings in India
>
>
> Hi!
> I was told that the client is the Indian government.
> Do the other
> governments also
> restrict who can do work for them? It seems rather
> silly. You would think
> that they
> want the best people available working on their
> projects!
>
>
> >From: "Jon \(Jarod\) Hawks" <hawksj@yahoo.com>
> >To: "Olmos, Fernando \(Sericon at Alcoa\)"
> <Fernando.Olmos@alcoa.com.au>,
>
> >powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
> >Subject: RE: HP3000 Powerhouse Openings in India
> >Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 19:02:09 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >LMAO. Not to worry.
> >
> >There are many American citizens out of work this
> day.
> >It's a sore issue now.
> >
> >--- "Olmos, Fernando (Sericon at Alcoa)"
> ><Fernando.Olmos@alcoa.com.au> wrote:
> > > Well, if uniformed thugs smash down my door in
> the
> > > middle of the night, I
> > > will surely be in contact with you!
> > >
> > > ;)
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jon (Jarod) Hawks
> [mailto:hawksj@yahoo.com]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 11:19 AM
> > > > To: Olmos, Fernando (Sericon at Alcoa);
> > > powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
> > > > Subject: RE: HP3000 Powerhouse Openings in
> India
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Great discussion. I find it interesting to
> hear
> > > > outsider viewpoints about American business.
> If
> > > it's
> > > > so bad then why not just stay home and leave
> > > Americans
> > > > to these jobs? I think it is time to justify
> this
> > > in
> > > > the public opinion. I hope you don't mind, but
> I'm
> > > > forwarding this on to the listing service for
> the
> > > news
> > > > agencies and congress. I think this is most
> > > > stimulating to test what Americans feel now
> about
> > > > their jobs being manned by non-US citizens.
> > > Perhaps
> > > > we'll see this issue as a major point in the
> > > upcoming
> > > > elections. Thank you for sharing your opinion.
> We
> > > > encourage them in the US.
> > > > It's everyone's right to do so.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- "Olmos, Fernando (Sericon at Alcoa)"
> > > > <Fernando.Olmos@alcoa.com.au> wrote:
> > > > > I would not go that far George. The US has a
> bad
> > > > > reputation for doing quite
> > > > > the opposite!
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: george.j.wen@us.abb.com
> > > > > [mailto:george.j.wen@us.abb.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 7:21 AM
> > > > > > To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
> > > > > > Subject: Re: HP3000 Powerhouse Openings in
> > > India
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There's the problem; we're playing global
> but
> > > are
> > > > > they?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (Embedded Jerry Hirschel
> > > > > > <jerryh@psc-usa.com>@cube.swau.edu
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > image moved 07/07/2003 04:02 PM
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> > > > > > to file:
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> > > > > > pic25128.pcx)
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