HP3000 Migration Statistics

[Edis, Bob]

Why emulate OpenVMS on CISC?  HP is well down the road on porting OpenVMS to
the Itanium processor and is due to complete the task late 2003.  Last I
heard it was on schedule.

Blue

-----Original Message-----
From: Witkopp, Richard [mailto:Richard.Witkopp@idt.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 3:46 PM
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: HP3000 Migration Statistics


Anything is possible, I guess. But it's probably not
as hard to emulate VMS, which ran on CISC cpu's, to run
on other CISC cpu's, as compared to emulating RISC on CISC
(Itanium) cpu's.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathan M. Backus [mailto:JMBackus@TechGroupMD.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 11:39 AM
> To: Witkopp, Richard; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
> Subject: RE: HP3000 Migration Statistics
> 
> 
> Richard,
> 
> 	The PA-RISC hardware is being eclipsed.  Problem is 
> that is the chip set
> that MPE runs on.  So, there are only a handful of options:
> 
> 1)	Port MPE to IA-64:  Isn't going to happen by HP.  
> Conceivably it could be
> done by a group of 3rd party resources but it would be expensive, time
> consuming, and there is a relatively small pool of companies 
> to cover the
> costs.
> 
> 2)	Move on to another processor chip set by moving away 
> from MPE.  The old
> "HP migrate" line which many companies will do, but many 
> others would prefer
> not to.
> 
> 3)	Create an environment on another chip set, such as 
> IA-64 (and others
> going forward), that will emulate the PA-RISC instruction set 
> to the point
> that the MPE/iX operating system (and add-ons, utilities, and 
> applications)
> are completely unaware that it is not running on "natural 
> PA-RISC" hardware.
> 
> 	This option #3 is real and is being investigate by at 
> least two companies,
> SRI and Allegro.  SRI currently has a similar sort of 
> emulator that runs
> VMS.
> 
> Thanx,
> 	Jon
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu
> [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu]On Behalf Of Witkopp, Richard
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 1:12 PM
> To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
> Subject: RE: HP3000 Migration Statistics
> 
> 
> PA-RISC emulator? I thought that was a dying technology too.
> To be replaced by Merced, I mean Itanium, someday.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jonathan M. Backus [mailto:JMBackus@TechGroupMD.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 3:44 AM
> > To: 'Ha, Luan (AD)'; powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
> > Subject: RE: HP3000 Migration Statistics
> >
> >
> > Laun,
> >
> > 	I can speak a little bit to the last option you
> > mentioned.  There is an organization called OpenMPE which is
> > setup as a co-op (member owned).  Right now there are no
> > membership dues and pretty much any end user or vendor that
> > participates in the  OpenMPE discussion group and activities
> > is considered part of the community.  The OpenMPE Board of
> > Directors has been working with the vendor community to
> > coordinate "virtual" groups that would be interested in
> > taking over specific aspects of the support and/or
> > development of MPE (including Image and the various HP
> > sub-systems).  The OpenMPE BoD had conducted surveys of end
> > users to determine the desires of the community.  It has been
> > working closely with HP to turn these desires into reality.
> > HP had a reasonably impressive list of announcements and
> > accomplishments that they presented at the OpenMPE session of
> > HP World, including the early stages of enabling companies to
> > create a PA-RISC emulator to eventually replace the HP
> > hardware currently used to run MPE.  One company, Software
> > Resources International (RSI), has already announced to the
> > OpenMPE community their intentions of moving forward with the
> > research into the emulator.  Another company, Allegro, has
> > expressed strong interest and desire to do the same.
> >
> > 	More information, details, the OpenMPE discussion group
> > (including archives) can be found on the web site (www.OpenMPE.org).
> >
> > Thanx,
> > 	Jon
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu
> > [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu]On Behalf Of Ha, Luan (AD)
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 6:27 AM
> > To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
> > Subject: HP3000 Migration Statistics
> >
> >
> >
> > By now there would be quite a few companies have migrated away from
> > HP3000. It would be interested to know what sort of
> > percentage or number
> > have migrate to a particular platform such as HP9000,
> > PowerhouseWeb, .NET etc.
> >
> > How many companies have decided to do nothing and continue to
> > depend on
> > the HP3000 impressive & reliable track record ?
> >
> > What is the possibility of another company taking over the
> > support and development
> > of HP3000 beyond 2006 ?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Luan
> >
> >
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