H1B (was Apologies)

[Edis, Bob]

Codswallap, mostly!

I came to the USA as a H1B and was paid the same as my American and Canadian
counterparts.  So were the Indian H1Bs I worked with.  I know as I
maintained the database that contained the billing rates.

There IS a problem with some large businesses such as GE that push the rules
to the limit but the main problem in terms of competition is NOT H1B
programmers being paid less (that's illegal) but outsourcing of work to
India, Russia, Ukraine, Ireland, Philippines, China, etc. where programmers
are paid MUCH less than in the USA.  GE does this too.  It would do all of
its programming off-shore if it could.

If you have REAL evidence and not just hear-say about H1Bs being paid a lot
less (under 95% of prevailing rate) then it's your American duty to report
it to the INS.  If your report it by law they must investigate and respond
to you with the results.

Regards,
Blue

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Mc Coy [mailto:jim@jimmccoy.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 4:37 PM
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: Re: Plus: Apologies
Sensitivity: Confidential


I did not intend to single out Netsysco or Tawnya here, and I hope no one
took it that way.  She is also the unfortunate victim of bad timing.
But the issue here is not rates.  We all understand that markets change and
the price of commodities fluctuate.  Sometimes we need to adjust our rates
to compete.

But in the case of IT, the market rates are being un-naturally lowered due
to the continuing lie of there being a shortage of programmers.  Yet, at the
same time we are told there is a shortage of programmers, we see rates going
down when they should be going up and more programmers losing thier jobs to
lower paid foreigners on a daily basis.

This is much more the fault of the clients that use these agencies than it
is the agencies.  Although the agancies do help contribute to the shortage
myth by not explaining the rate game to thier clients.

In this case, the client wants top level skill at a bottom level rate.  If
there were a shortage of programmers as is claimed, this company would get
no repsonses at all, except maybe a fe sarcastic replies.  But this client
knows that there is no shortage and some unemployed American programmer will
eventually lower thier rates to compete with the H1B.
I still strongly suspect that this client is only interested in hiring an
H1B.

jm


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From: "Tawnya S. Clark" <tsc@netsysco.com>
Date: 2002/06/04 Tue PM 05:19:47 EDT
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: Plus:  Apologies

It seems that I may have raised some issues with the mention of todays rate 
in my last email.  My intention was to set expectations correctly prior to 
having anyone show a strong interest unduly.  I am truly working within the 
constraints that the client has set.  I would happily only email about 
"$150 dollar an hour plus expenses" contracts if  that was feasible or 
honest.  We want to see this situation change as well.

I am still very interested in speaking with anyone that would like to learn 
more about the contract.

Best regards and again my apologies,

Tawnya S. Clark







Tawnya S. Clark
Netsysco, LLC
Suite 1006
9300 Shelbyville Rd.
Louisville, KY 40222-5168
800-888-9028 x 234

www.netsysco.com


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