Is powerhouse dead?
Edis, Bob
BEdis@usbnc.org
Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:12:20 -0500
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G'day Sam
30 sites is a bit sad in a country the size of Oz. What are the real stats
as per FieldFacts (active licenses) and estimates of sites with no support
license? What about new sales in the last 2 years? Keeping a product on
life-support is a bit different to sales growth. I've been told that sales
of Axiant here in the USA Midwest has picked up significantly (what does
that mean?) but I haven't seen any demand for consultants as yet.
I used to see (2 years ago) several open PH positions in Oz at any one time
when searching the job sites. In the last year I only seen two or three.
But then again Oz IS a bit different to the rest of the world in IT. When I
see Progress 4GL consultants in high demand (enough to be put on the
immigration 'hot' list) but Progress is struggling in the USA I wonder.
Regards,
Blue
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From: Clarke, Sam [mailto:Sam.Clarke@Cognos.COM]
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 6:38 PM
To: 'Steve Heaslip'; powerh-l@cube.swau.edu
Subject: RE: Is powerhouse dead?
Hi Steve,
Not quite dead in Australia based on calls to our Help Desk, I just checked
our stats and since March 1st, 2002 , 30 different organisations in
Australia have placed PowerHouse calls and you weren't on the list.
Definitely down on past years, but looks like there is still life out there.
We continue to have 3 Powerhouse staff on the Help Desk in Sydney.
Rgds..Sam
Sam Clarke
Vice President - IT, Support, Services and Marketing
Asia Pacific Offshore
COGNOS Pty Ltd
Sydney, Australia
Phone : +612 9437 6655
sam.clarke@cognos.com
Fax : +612 9438 1641
www.cognos.com
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From: Steve Heaslip [mailto:heaslips@ozemail.com.au]
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 11:44 PM
To: 'Olmos, Fernando(Sericon at Alcoa)'; powerh-l@cube.swau.edu
Subject: RE: Is powerhouse dead?
It's certainly dead in Australia. You can count yourself amongst a select
few there at Alcoa, but for how much longer?
I've worked with PowerHouse since version 4.01D on the Vax - and it's sad to
see it going the way of the Tassie Tiger. Most of the larger companies have
replaced their in-house PowerHouse systems with the big packages, while some
of the smaller sites have re-developed their systems with tools such as
PowerBuilder etc, because Cognos was too slow off the mark with a viable
Windows version.
What intrigues me though is how company after company keeps making the same
mistake - they're prepared to spend tens of millions of dollars implementing
a package to replace a system that, at the very worst, probably just needs
an overhaul and an upgrade to PowerHouse Web at a fraction of the cost! And,
after they've spent those millions what have they got? A package that (if
they're lucky) does 80% of what the old system did, a room full of
consultants that charge $300 an hour but have no ability to add a new field
or change the way a particular calculation works when the business rules
change, and a capital expenditure request for several million dollars more
to buy the add-ons needed because all the reports produced by the system are
unreadable in their standard form!
I suppose the problem is that company management just aren't looking at
their own IT departments (and therefore places like Cognos) for the big
solutions anymore - they've usually got one of those big accounting firms
whispering in their ears telling them that once they've signed this piece of
paper life will be easy - there'll be a flood of endorphins, there'll be
peace in the middle east and beer will be 20c a schooner again.
If Cognos are serious about PowerHouse having any sort of future, they need
to start promoting their AD Toolset the way they promote the BI tools - and
not just to us propellerheads. They need to start pitching it to management
- to make management aware that there IS an alternative to spending
mega-millions on the big packages.
It's too late here in Australia for the old, large PowerHouse sites as
they've now invested too much money in the packages, but maybe a new
generation of companies might pick up on PowerHouse as a development tool
that will allow them to build customised solutions at a fraction of the cost
of a package, if Cognos can get out there and market it that way.
I wonder if the dinosaurs had dreams like this as that meteor streaked
across the sky? :-)
Steve Heaslip.
-----Original Message-----
From: powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu]On
Behalf Of Olmos, Fernando(Sericon at Alcoa)
Sent: Friday, 31 May 2002 3:45 PM
To: 'powerh-l@cube.swau.edu'
Subject: Is powerhouse dead?
How many of you are now dedicating (or already done so) your time porting
your Powerhouse system(s) to the Windows platform? It seems most large
companies have already signed on the dotted line to either have PeoplSoft,
SAP, Oracle or some other "fancy" system take over the
true-tried-and-trusted text-terminal systems. The logistics of these
exercises make ENRON crashes seem like kids play.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=763350416-03062002>G'day
Sam</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=763350416-03062002>30
sites is a bit sad in a country the size of Oz. What are the real stats as
per FieldFacts (active licenses) and estimates of sites with no support
license? What about new sales in the last 2 years? Keeping a product
on life-support is a bit different to sales growth. I've been told that
sales of Axiant here in the USA Midwest has picked up significantly (what does
that mean?) but I haven't seen any demand for consultants as
yet.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=763350416-03062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=763350416-03062002>I used
to see (2 years ago) several open PH positions in Oz at any one time when
searching the job sites. In the last year I only seen two or
three.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=763350416-03062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=763350416-03062002>But
then again Oz IS a bit different to the rest of the world in IT. When I
see Progress 4GL consultants in high demand (enough to be put on the immigration
'hot' list) but Progress is struggling in the USA I wonder.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=763350416-03062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=763350416-03062002>Regards,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=763350416-03062002>Blue </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Clarke, Sam
[mailto:Sam.Clarke@Cognos.COM]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 02, 2002 6:38
PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Steve Heaslip'; powerh-l@cube.swau.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE: Is powerhouse dead?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=139473223-02062002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi
Steve,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=139473223-02062002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=139473223-02062002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Not
quite dead in Australia based on calls to our Help Desk, I just checked our
stats and since March 1st, 2002 , 30 different organisations in Australia have
placed PowerHouse calls and you weren't on the list.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=139473223-02062002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=139473223-02062002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Definitely down on past years, but looks like there is still life out
there. We continue to have 3 Powerhouse staff on the Help Desk in
Sydney.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=139473223-02062002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=139473223-02062002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Rgds..Sam</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=139473223-02062002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=139473223-02062002>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#0000ff size=2>Sam Clarke</FONT>
<BR><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#0000ff size=2>Vice President
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Services and Marketing</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#0000ff
size=2>Asia Pacific</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#0000ff size=2>
Offshore</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#0000ff size=2>COGNOS
Pty Ltd</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#0000ff size=2>Sydney,
Australia</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#0000ff size=2>Phone :
+612 9437
6655
</FONT><BR><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#0000ff
size=2>sam.clarke@cognos.com</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=#0000ff size=2>Fax : +612 9438
1641
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Steve Heaslip
[mailto:heaslips@ozemail.com.au]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, June 01, 2002
11:44 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Olmos, Fernando(Sericon at Alcoa)';
powerh-l@cube.swau.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Is powerhouse
dead?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=160101712-01062002>It's certainly
dead in Australia. You can count yourself amongst a select few there at
Alcoa, but for how much longer?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=160101712-01062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=160101712-01062002>I've worked with
PowerHouse since version 4.01D on the Vax - and it's sad to see it going the
way of the Tassie Tiger. Most of the larger companies have replaced
their in-house PowerHouse systems with the big packages, while some of the
smaller sites have re-developed their systems with tools such
as PowerBuilder etc, because Cognos was too slow off the mark with a
viable Windows version.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=160101712-01062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=160101712-01062002>What intrigues
me though is how company after company keeps making the same mistake -
they're prepared to spend tens of millions of dollars implementing a package
to replace a system that, at the very worst, probably just needs an overhaul
and an upgrade to PowerHouse Web at a fraction of the cost! And, after
they've spent those millions what have they got? A package
that (if they're lucky) does 80% of what the old system did, a
room full of consultants that charge $300 an hour but have no ability
to add a new field or change the way a particular calculation works when the
business rules change, and a capital expenditure request for several
million dollars more to buy the add-ons needed because all the reports
produced by the system are unreadable in their standard form!
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=160101712-01062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=160101712-01062002>I suppose the
problem is that company management just aren't looking at their own IT
departments (and therefore places like Cognos) for the big solutions anymore
- they've usually got one of those big accounting firms whispering in their
ears telling them that once they've signed this piece of paper life will be
easy - there'll be a flood of endorphins, there'll be peace in the middle
east and beer will be 20c a schooner
again. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=160101712-01062002></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=160101712-01062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=160101712-01062002>If Cognos are
serious about PowerHouse having any sort of future, they need to start
promoting their AD Toolset the way they promote the BI tools - and not just
to us propellerheads. They need to start pitching it to management - to
make management aware that there IS an alternative to spending
mega-millions on the big packages. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=160101712-01062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=160101712-01062002>It's too late
here in Australia for the old, large PowerHouse sites as they've now
invested too much money in the packages, but maybe a new generation of
companies might pick up on PowerHouse as a development tool that will allow
them to build customised solutions at a fraction of the cost of a package,
if Cognos can get out there and market it that way.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=160101712-01062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=160101712-01062002>I wonder if the
dinosaurs had dreams like this as that meteor streaked across the sky?
:-)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=160101712-01062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN class=160101712-01062002>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000
size=2><STRONG><U></U></STRONG></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=+0><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=2>Steve
Heaslip<SPAN
class=160101712-01062002>.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000
size=2></FONT> </DIV></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=160101712-01062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=160101712-01062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=160101712-01062002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>Olmos, Fernando(Sericon at Alcoa)<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, 31
May 2002 3:45 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'powerh-l@cube.swau.edu'<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Is powerhouse dead?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>How many of you are now
dedicating (or already done so) your time porting your Powerhouse system(s)
to the Windows platform? It seems most large companies have already signed
on the dotted line to either have PeoplSoft, SAP, Oracle or some other
"fancy" system take over the true-tried-and-trusted text-terminal systems.
The logistics of these exercises make ENRON crashes seem like kids
play.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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