PowerHouse and the future of the HP e3000

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RE: PowerHouse and the future of the HP e3000I don't know about the HP3000
box and MPEix but sales of AlphaServers and OpenVMS have been going UP in
the last couple of years to the degree that they plus Tandem keep Compaq
from going under.

I don't think that HP will be able to buy Compaq anyway and I also don't
think the two companies are a good fit - too much overlap of product lines
and services.

Compaq has given the Alpha technology to Intel, including the whole
engineering team, to help make the Itanium (was Merced) CPU a real 21st
century processor.  Compaq software folks are busy with the process of
porting OpenVMS, language compilers and other software to the Itanium as we
speak with the first versions due out late next year.

Given these facts I don't think OpenVMS will have an untimely death like
MPEix.

Regards to all,
Blue
  -----Original Message-----
  From: powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu]On
Behalf Of Robert Mills
  Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 6:55 AM
  To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
  Subject: RE: PowerHouse and the future of the HP e3000

  Don't start celebrating yet Blue. If you read up on what Carly has been
doing at HP you will see that VMS will not last much longer.

  Conrad, suggest that you have a browse of the HP3000-L archive and then
re-evaluate your expected tools/education requirement for users migrating
from MPE/iX to HP-UX. You might be surprised at how much you will have to
DOWNGRADE your expectations.

  regards,
  *****************************
  Robert W.Mills, Systems Development Manager, Windsong Services
   Electron House, Cray Avenue, St. Mary Cray, Kent BR5 3PN, ENGLAND
  Tel: +44 (0)1689.870622 x 3005  Fax: +44 (0)1689 899026
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: Blue [mailto:bobedis@earthling.net]
  Sent: 15 November 2001 06:05
  To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
  Subject: FW: PowerHouse and the future of the HP e3000

  Vive la VMS!

  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu
  > [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu]On Behalf Of Witkopp, Richard
  > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 3:40 PM
  > To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu'
  > Subject: RE: PowerHouse and the future of the HP e3000
  >
  >
  > How ironic that VMS may outlive the 3000 even though
  > HP controls it's fate (if the merger happens).
  >
  > > -----Original Message-----
  > > From: Whittall, Conrad [mailto:Conrad.Whittall@Cognos.COM]
  > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 12:53 PM
  > > To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu'
  > > Subject: PowerHouse and the future of the HP e3000
  > >
  > >
  > > Sorry about the poor formatting of the original post...MS
  > > Outlook don't you
  > > know :-( Perhaps this will be a little easier to read...
  > >
  > > Today's announcement from HP that it will begin advising customers to
  > > transition from HP e3000 servers to other HP server platforms
  > > over the next
  > > five years might have come as a shock to some, and as a
  > > long-expected move
  > > by others. Perhaps the most important thing to remember at
  > > this time, as the
  > > late Douglas Adams tells us (describing what appears in big, friendly,
  > > letters on the cover of The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the
  > > Galaxy), is "Don't
  > > Panic!".
  > >
  > > HP has provided a five-year plan for the HP e3000 platform.
  > > This provides
  > > everyone with sufficient time to assess their business needs,
  > > evaluate the
  > > many alternatives available, plan the migration to their
  > > chosen replacement
  > > platform (or platforms), and start the actual process of
  > > moving from the HP
  > > e3000. The HP e3000 is not going to disappear overnight...and
  > > the systems in
  > > use today will not all suddenly stop working just because of the
  > > announcement from HP.
  > >
  > > You can find full details of the HP announcement in a special
  > > section of the
  > > HP web site, at www.hp.com/products1/mpeixservers/future/.
  > >
  > > Cognos fully understands HP's decision and supports its
  > > five-year plan for
  > > the continued development and support of the HP e3000
  > > platform. Cognos is
  > > committed to protecting its customers' investments in their PowerHouse
  > > applications, the business rules embedded in those
  > > applications, and the
  > > skills of their developers.
  > > Cognos has issued a press release confirming its intent to continue
  > > development until November 2003, and support until December
  > > 2006, of the key
  > > PowerHouse products on the HP e3000 platform -- namely PowerHouse 4GL,
  > > PowerHouse Web and Axiant 4GL. This is entirely consistent with HP's
  > > announced timescales for the future development and support
  > > of the HP e3000
  > > hardware and software. This means that the PowerHouse
  > > products will be kept
  > > up-to-date with the equivalent product on the other
  > > PowerHouse Series 8
  > > platforms, where necessary and/or possible, for the next two
  > > years...with
  > > the final HP e3000 release of these products being supported
  > > for a further
  > > three years beyond that. The PowerHouse Series 8 server products are
  > > currently also available on OpenVMS, HP-UX, AIX, Solaris,
  > > Tru64 UNIX and
  > > Windows 2000/NT.
  > >
  > > Cognos will work closely with HP and its global partner
  > > network to provide
  > > customers with a smooth migration path from the HP e3000 for their
  > > PowerHouse applications. The company is currently developing
  > > new support
  > > programs that will allow customers to benefit from continued technical
  > > support for PowerHouse on their HP e3000 systems, together with simple
  > > transfers of their PowerHouse licenses to their chosen
  > > replacement platform.
  > >
  > >
  > > The company is also planning new, Web-based training
  > > opportunities to help
  > > developers learn how to migrate PowerHouse applications to
  > > new environments,
  > > use PowerHouse tools with relational databases, and develop
  > > client-server
  > > and Web-based applications with the PowerHouse tools.
  > >
  > > Please visit the HP-specific area of the Cognos web site regularly, at
  > > www.cognos.com/hp3000, to access the latest information on
  > > Cognos' plans for
  > > product development, support programs, and new training
  > > programs to assist
  > > our HP e3000 customers successfully research, evaluate, plan,
  > > and carry out
  > > a smooth migration of their PowerHouse applications from the HP e3000
  > > platform.
  > >
  > > Remember. Don't panic!
  > >
  > > Best regards,
  > > Conrad
  > >
  > > Conrad Whittall
  > > Marketing Manager, Application Development Tools
  > > Cognos Incorporated, 3755 Riverside Drive, Ottawa, Ontario,
  > > K1G 4K9, Canada
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 <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader>-----Original Message----- From: =
powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu=20
 [mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu]On Behalf Of Robert=20
 Mills Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 6:55 =
AM To:=20
 powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: RE: PowerHouse and the =
future of=20
 the HP e3000 </DIV>
 Don't start celebrating yet Blue. If you read up on =
what Carly=20
 has been doing at HP you will see that VMS will not last much=20
 longer.
 Conrad, suggest that you have a browse of the =
HP3000-L archive=20
 and then re-evaluate your expected tools/education requirement for =
users=20
 migrating from MPE/iX to HP-UX. You might be surprised at how much you =
will=20
 have to DOWNGRADE your expectations.
 regards, <FONT=20
 size=3D2>***************************** Robert W.Mills,=20
 Systems Development Manager, Windsong Services <FONT=20
 size=3D2>&nbsp;Electron House, Cray Avenue, St. Mary Cray, Kent BR5 =
3PN,=20
 ENGLAND Tel: +44 (0)1689.870622 x 3005&nbsp; =
Fax: +44=20
 (0)1689 899026 <FONT=20
 size=3D2>robert.mills@windsong-services.co.uk <FONT=20
 size=3D2>******************************** The thoughts,=20
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 -----Original Message----- From: Blue=20
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FONT>=20
 Sent: 15 November 2001 06:05 To:=20
 powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: FW: =
PowerHouse and=20
 the future of the HP e3000 
 Vive la VMS! 
 &gt; -----Original Message----- &gt;=20
 From: powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu &gt; [<A=20
 =
href=3D"mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu">mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.s=
wau.edu</A>]On=20
 Behalf Of Witkopp, Richard &gt; Sent: =
Wednesday,=20
 November 14, 2001 3:40 PM &gt; To:=20
 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' &gt; Subject: RE: =
PowerHouse=20
 and the future of the HP e3000 &gt; =
 <FONT=20
 size=3D2>&gt; &gt; How ironic that VMS may =
outlive the=20
 3000 even though &gt; HP controls it's fate =
(if the=20
 merger happens). &gt; &gt;=20
 &gt; -----Original Message----- &gt; &gt; =
From:=20
 Whittall, Conrad [<A=20
 =
href=3D"mailto:Conrad.Whittall@Cognos.COM">mailto:Conrad.Whittall@Cognos.=
COM</A>]=20
 &gt; &gt; Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 12:53 =
PM=20
 &gt; &gt; To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' =
 <FONT=20
 size=3D2>&gt; &gt; Subject: PowerHouse and the future of the HP =
e3000=20
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; =
 <FONT=20
 size=3D2>&gt; &gt; Sorry about the poor formatting of the original =
post...MS=20
 &gt; &gt; Outlook don't you <FONT =

size=3D2>&gt; &gt; know :-( Perhaps this will be a little easier to=20
 read... &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=20
 Today's announcement from HP that it will begin advising customers =
to=20
 &gt; &gt; transition from HP e3000 servers to other =
HP server=20
 platforms &gt; &gt; over the next =
 <FONT=20
 size=3D2>&gt; &gt; five years might have come as a shock to some, and =
as a=20
 &gt; &gt; long-expected move =
 <FONT=20
 size=3D2>&gt; &gt; by others. Perhaps the most important thing to =
remember at=20
 &gt; &gt; this time, as the <FONT =

size=3D2>&gt; &gt; late Douglas Adams tells us (describing what =
appears in big,=20
 friendly, &gt; &gt; letters on the cover of =
The Hitch=20
 Hiker's Guide to the &gt; &gt; Galaxy), is=20
 "Don't &gt; &gt; Panic!". &gt;=20
 &gt; &gt; &gt; HP has provided a five-year =
plan for=20
 the HP e3000 platform. &gt; &gt; This =
provides=20
 &gt; &gt; everyone with sufficient time to assess =
their=20
 business needs, &gt; &gt; evaluate =
the=20
 &gt; &gt; many alternatives available, plan the =
migration to=20
 their &gt; &gt; chosen replacement =
 <FONT=20
 size=3D2>&gt; &gt; platform (or platforms), and start the actual =
process of=20
 &gt; &gt; moving from the HP =
 <FONT=20
 size=3D2>&gt; &gt; e3000. The HP e3000 is not going to disappear =
overnight...and=20
 &gt; &gt; the systems in &gt;=20
 &gt; use today will not all suddenly stop working just because of =
the=20
 &gt; &gt; announcement from HP. &gt;=20
 &gt; &gt; &gt; You can find full details of =
the HP=20
 announcement in a special &gt; &gt; section =
of=20
 the &gt; &gt; HP web site, at=20
 www.hp.com/products1/mpeixservers/future/. &gt; &gt;=20
 &gt; &gt; Cognos fully understands HP's =
decision and=20
 supports its &gt; &gt; five-year plan =
for=20
 &gt; &gt; the continued development and support of =
the HP=20
 e3000 &gt; &gt; platform. Cognos is =
 <FONT=20
 size=3D2>&gt; &gt; committed to protecting its customers' investments =
in their=20
 PowerHouse &gt; &gt; applications, the =
business rules=20
 embedded in those &gt; &gt; applications, =
and=20
 the &gt; &gt; skills of their =
developers.=20
 &gt; &gt; Cognos has issued a press release =
confirming its=20
 intent to continue &gt; &gt; development =
until=20
 November 2003, and support until December &gt; &gt;=20
 2006, of the key &gt; &gt; PowerHouse =
products on the=20
 HP e3000 platform -- namely PowerHouse 4GL, &gt; &gt;=20
 PowerHouse Web and Axiant 4GL. This is entirely consistent with =
HP's=20
 &gt; &gt; announced timescales for the future =
development and=20
 support &gt; &gt; of the HP e3000 =
 <FONT=20
 size=3D2>&gt; &gt; hardware and software. This means that the =
PowerHouse=20
 &gt; &gt; products will be kept =
 <FONT=20
 size=3D2>&gt; &gt; up-to-date with the equivalent product on the other =

&gt; &gt; PowerHouse Series 8 =
 <FONT=20
 size=3D2>&gt; &gt; platforms, where necessary and/or possible, for the =
next two=20
 &gt; &gt; years...with &gt;=20
 &gt; the final HP e3000 release of these products being supported=20
 &gt; &gt; for a further &gt;=20
 &gt; three years beyond that. The PowerHouse Series 8 server products=20
 are &gt; &gt; currently also available on =
OpenVMS,=20
 HP-UX, AIX, Solaris, &gt; &gt; Tru64 UNIX =
and=20
 &gt; &gt; Windows 2000/NT. &gt; &gt;=20
 &gt; &gt; Cognos will work closely with HP =
and its=20
 global partner &gt; &gt; network to =
provide=20
 &gt; &gt; customers with a smooth migration path =
from the HP=20
 e3000 for their &gt; &gt; PowerHouse =
applications. The=20
 company is currently developing &gt; &gt; =
new=20
 support &gt; &gt; programs that will allow =
customers=20
 to benefit from continued technical &gt; =
&gt; support=20
 for PowerHouse on their HP e3000 systems, together with simple=20
 &gt; &gt; transfers of their PowerHouse licenses to =
their=20
 chosen &gt; &gt; replacement =
platform.=20
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; =
 <FONT=20
 size=3D2>&gt; &gt; The company is also planning new, Web-based =
training=20
 &gt; &gt; opportunities to help =
 <FONT=20
 size=3D2>&gt; &gt; developers learn how to migrate PowerHouse =
applications to=20
 &gt; &gt; new environments, <FONT =

  size=3D2>&gt; &gt; use PowerHouse tools with relational databases, and =
develop=20
  </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; &gt; client-server</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>&gt;=20
  &gt; and Web-based applications with the PowerHouse tools.</FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
  size=3D2>&gt; &gt; </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; &gt; Please visit =
the=20
  HP-specific area of the Cognos web site regularly, at</FONT> <BR><FONT =

  size=3D2>&gt; &gt; www.cognos.com/hp3000, to access the latest =
information on=20
  </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; &gt; Cognos' plans for</FONT> <BR><FONT =

  size=3D2>&gt; &gt; product development, support programs, and new =
training=20
  </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; &gt; programs to assist</FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
  size=3D2>&gt; &gt; our HP e3000 customers successfully research, =
evaluate, plan,=20
  </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; &gt; and carry out</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>&gt;=20
  &gt; a smooth migration of their PowerHouse applications from the HP=20
  e3000</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; &gt; platform.</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>&gt;=20
  &gt; </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; &gt; Remember. Don't panic!</FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
  size=3D2>&gt; &gt; </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; &gt; Best =
regards,</FONT>=20
  <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; &gt; Conrad</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; =
&gt;=20
  </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; &gt; Conrad Whittall</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>&gt;=20
  &gt; Marketing Manager, Application Development Tools</FONT> <BR><FONT =

  size=3D2>&gt; &gt; Cognos Incorporated, 3755 Riverside Drive, Ottawa, =
Ontario,=20
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