PowerHouse and the future of the HP e3000

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My buddy at DEC (nee Compact) said they were told that the project
to port VMS to Merced (or whatever they're calling it now) is still on and
to continue work on it. It's no guarantee, but at least they were not
immediately laid off.

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Mills [mailto:robert.mills@windsong-services.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 4:55 AM
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
Subject: RE: PowerHouse and the future of the HP e3000

Don't start celebrating yet Blue. If you read up on what Carly has been
doing at HP you will see that VMS will not last much longer.

Conrad, suggest that you have a browse of the HP3000-L archive and then
re-evaluate your expected tools/education requirement for users migrating
from MPE/iX to HP-UX. You might be surprised at how much you will have to
DOWNGRADE your expectations.

regards, 
***************************** 
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 Electron House, Cray Avenue, St. Mary Cray, Kent BR5 3PN, ENGLAND 
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-----Original Message----- 
From: Blue [ mailto:bobedis@earthling.net <mailto:bobedis@earthling.net> ] 
Sent: 15 November 2001 06:05 
To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu 
Subject: FW: PowerHouse and the future of the HP e3000 

Vive la VMS! 

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<mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu> ]On Behalf Of Witkopp, Richard 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 3:40 PM 
> To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' 
> Subject: RE: PowerHouse and the future of the HP e3000 
> 
> 
> How ironic that VMS may outlive the 3000 even though 
> HP controls it's fate (if the merger happens). 
> 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: Whittall, Conrad [ mailto:Conrad.Whittall@Cognos..COM
<mailto:Conrad.Whittall@Cognos.COM> ] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 12:53 PM 
> > To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' 
> > Subject: PowerHouse and the future of the HP e3000 
> > 
> > 
> > Sorry about the poor formatting of the original post...MS 
> > Outlook don't you 
> > know :-( Perhaps this will be a little easier to read... 
> > 
> > Today's announcement from HP that it will begin advising customers to 
> > transition from HP e3000 servers to other HP server platforms 
> > over the next 
> > five years might have come as a shock to some, and as a 
> > long-expected move 
> > by others. Perhaps the most important thing to remember at 
> > this time, as the 
> > late Douglas Adams tells us (describing what appears in big, friendly, 
> > letters on the cover of The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the 
> > Galaxy), is "Don't 
> > Panic!". 
> > 
> > HP has provided a five-year plan for the HP e3000 platform. 
> > This provides 
> > everyone with sufficient time to assess their business needs, 
> > evaluate the 
> > many alternatives available, plan the migration to their 
> > chosen replacement 
> > platform (or platforms), and start the actual process of 
> > moving from the HP 
> > e3000. The HP e3000 is not going to disappear overnight...and 
> > the systems in 
> > use today will not all suddenly stop working just because of the 
> > announcement from HP. 
> > 
> > You can find full details of the HP announcement in a special 
> > section of the 
> > HP web site, at www.hp.com/products1/mpeixservers/future/. 
> > 
> > Cognos fully understands HP's decision and supports its 
> > five-year plan for 
> > the continued development and support of the HP e3000 
> > platform. Cognos is 
> > committed to protecting its customers' investments in their PowerHouse 
> > applications, the business rules embedded in those 
> > applications, and the 
> > skills of their developers. 
> > Cognos has issued a press release confirming its intent to continue 
> > development until November 2003, and support until December 
> > 2006, of the key 
> > PowerHouse products on the HP e3000 platform -- namely PowerHouse 4GL, 
> > PowerHouse Web and Axiant 4GL. This is entirely consistent with HP's 
> > announced timescales for the future development and support 
> > of the HP e3000 
> > hardware and software. This means that the PowerHouse 
> > products will be kept 
> > up-to-date with the equivalent product on the other 
> > PowerHouse Series 8 
> > platforms, where necessary and/or possible, for the next two 
> > years...with 
> > the final HP e3000 release of these products being supported 
> > for a further 
> > three years beyond that. The PowerHouse Series 8 server products are 
> > currently also available on OpenVMS, HP-UX, AIX, Solaris, 
> > Tru64 UNIX and 
> > Windows 2000/NT. 
> > 
> > Cognos will work closely with HP and its global partner 
> > network to provide 
> > customers with a smooth migration path from the HP e3000 for their 
> > PowerHouse applications. The company is currently developing 
> > new support 
> > programs that will allow customers to benefit from continued technical 
> > support for PowerHouse on their HP e3000 systems, together with simple 
> > transfers of their PowerHouse licenses to their chosen 
> > replacement platform. 
> > 
> > 
> > The company is also planning new, Web-based training 
> > opportunities to help 
> > developers learn how to migrate PowerHouse applications to 
> > new environments, 
> > use PowerHouse tools with relational databases, and develop 
> > client-server 
> > and Web-based applications with the PowerHouse tools. 
> > 
> > Please visit the HP-specific area of the Cognos web site regularly, at 
> > www.cognos.com/hp3000, to access the latest information on 
> > Cognos' plans for 
> > product development, support programs, and new training 
> > programs to assist 
> > our HP e3000 customers successfully research, evaluate, plan, 
> > and carry out 
> > a smooth migration of their PowerHouse applications from the HP e3000 
> > platform. 
> > 
> > Remember. Don't panic! 
> > 
> > Best regards, 
> > Conrad 
> > 
> > Conrad Whittall 
> > Marketing Manager, Application Development Tools 
> > Cognos Incorporated, 3755 Riverside Drive, Ottawa, Ontario, 
> > K1G 4K9, Canada 
> > 
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<DIV>My 
buddy at DEC (nee Compact) said they were told that the 
project</DIV>
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port VMS to Merced (or whatever they're calling it now) is still on 
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continue work on it. It's no guarantee, but at least they were 
not</DIV>
<DIV>immediately laid off.</DIV></DIV>
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 <DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr>-----Original Message----- From: Robert Mills 
 [mailto:robert.mills@windsong-services.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 
 November 15, 2001 4:55 AM To: 
 powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: RE: PowerHouse and the future of 
 the HP e3000 </DIV>
 Don't start celebrating yet Blue. If you read up on what Carly 
 has been doing at HP you will see that VMS will not last much 
 longer.
 Conrad, suggest that you have a browse of the HP3000-L archive 
 and then re-evaluate your expected tools/education requirement for users 
 migrating from MPE/iX to HP-UX. You might be surprised at how much you will 
 have to DOWNGRADE your expectations.
 regards, ***************************** Robert W.Mills, 
 Systems Development Manager, Windsong Services &nbsp;Electron House, Cray Avenue, St. Mary Cray, Kent BR5 3PN, 
 ENGLAND Tel: +44 (0)1689.870622 x 3005&nbsp; Fax: +44 
 (0)1689 899026 robert.mills@windsong-services.co.uk ******************************** The thoughts, 
 comments, and opinions expressed herein are mine. They 
 do not reflect those of my employer, nor anyone else. ******************************** ***Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any 
 attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain 
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 the original message.
 -----Original Message----- From: Blue 
 [<A 
 href="mailto:bobedis@earthling.net">mailto:bobedis@earthling.net</A>] 
 Sent: 15 November 2001 06:05 To: 
 powerh-l@lists.swau.edu Subject: FW: PowerHouse and 
 the future of the HP e3000 
 Vive la VMS! 
 &gt; -----Original Message----- &gt; 
 From: powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu &gt; [<A 
 href="mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu">mailto:powerh-l-admin@cube.swau.edu</A>]On 
 Behalf Of Witkopp, Richard &gt; Sent: Wednesday, 
 November 14, 2001 3:40 PM &gt; To: 
 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' &gt; Subject: RE: PowerHouse 
 and the future of the HP e3000 &gt; &gt; &gt; How ironic that VMS may outlive the 
 3000 even though &gt; HP controls it's fate (if the 
 merger happens). &gt; &gt; 
 &gt; -----Original Message----- &gt; &gt; From: 
 Whittall, Conrad [<A 
 href="mailto:Conrad.Whittall@Cognos.COM">mailto:Conrad.Whittall@Cognos..COM</A>] 
 &gt; &gt; Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 12:53 PM 
 &gt; &gt; To: 'powerh-l@lists.swau.edu' &gt; &gt; Subject: PowerHouse and the future of the HP e3000 
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Sorry about the poor formatting of the original post...MS 
 &gt; &gt; Outlook don't you &gt; &gt; know :-( Perhaps this will be a little easier to 
 read... &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
 Today's announcement from HP that it will begin advising customers to 
 &gt; &gt; transition from HP e3000 servers to other HP server 
 platforms &gt; &gt; over the next &gt; &gt; five years might have come as a shock to some, and as a 
 &gt; &gt; long-expected move &gt; &gt; by others. Perhaps the most important thing to remember at 
 &gt; &gt; this time, as the &gt; &gt; late Douglas Adams tells us (describing what appears in big, 
 friendly, &gt; &gt; letters on the cover of The Hitch 
 Hiker's Guide to the &gt; &gt; Galaxy), is 
 "Don't &gt; &gt; Panic!". &gt; 
 &gt; &gt; &gt; HP has provided a five-year plan for 
 the HP e3000 platform. &gt; &gt; This provides 
 &gt; &gt; everyone with sufficient time to assess their 
 business needs, &gt; &gt; evaluate the 
 &gt; &gt; many alternatives available, plan the migration to 
 their &gt; &gt; chosen replacement &gt; &gt; platform (or platforms), and start the actual process of 
 &gt; &gt; moving from the HP &gt; &gt; e3000. The HP e3000 is not going to disappear overnight...and 
 &gt; &gt; the systems in &gt; 
 &gt; use today will not all suddenly stop working just because of the 
 &gt; &gt; announcement from HP. &gt; 
 &gt; &gt; &gt; You can find full details of the HP 
 announcement in a special &gt; &gt; section of 
 the &gt; &gt; HP web site, at 
 www.hp.com/products1/mpeixservers/future/. &gt; &gt; 
 &gt; &gt; Cognos fully understands HP's decision and 
 supports its &gt; &gt; five-year plan for 
 &gt; &gt; the continued development and support of the HP 
 e3000 &gt; &gt; platform. Cognos is &gt; &gt; committed to protecting its customers' investments in their 
 PowerHouse &gt; &gt; applications, the business rules 
 embedded in those &gt; &gt; applications, and 
 the &gt; &gt; skills of their developers. 
 &gt; &gt; Cognos has issued a press release confirming its 
 intent to continue &gt; &gt; development until 
 November 2003, and support until December &gt; &gt; 
 2006, of the key &gt; &gt; PowerHouse products on the 
 HP e3000 platform -- namely PowerHouse 4GL, &gt; &gt; 
 PowerHouse Web and Axiant 4GL. This is entirely consistent with HP's 
 &gt; &gt; announced timescales for the future development and 
 support &gt; &gt; of the HP e3000 &gt; &gt; hardware and software. This means that the PowerHouse 
 &gt; &gt; products will be kept &gt; &gt; up-to-date with the equivalent product on the other 
 &gt; &gt; PowerHouse Series 8 &gt; &gt; platforms, where necessary and/or possible, for the next two 
 &gt; &gt; years...with &gt; 
 &gt; the final HP e3000 release of these products being supported 
 &gt; &gt; for a further &gt; 
 &gt; three years beyond that. The PowerHouse Series 8 server products 
 are &gt; &gt; currently also available on OpenVMS, 
 HP-UX, AIX, Solaris, &gt; &gt; Tru64 UNIX and 
 &gt; &gt; Windows 2000/NT. &gt; &gt; 
 &gt; &gt; Cognos will work closely with HP and its 
 global partner &gt; &gt; network to provide 
 &gt; &gt; customers with a smooth migration path from the HP 
 e3000 for their &gt; &gt; PowerHouse applications. The 
 company is currently developing &gt; &gt; new 
 support &gt; &gt; programs that will allow customers 
 to benefit from continued technical &gt; &gt; support 
 for PowerHouse on their HP e3000 systems, together with simple 
 &gt; &gt; transfers of their PowerHouse licenses to their 
 chosen &gt; &gt; replacement platform. 
 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; The company is also planning new, Web-based training 
 &gt; &gt; opportunities to help &gt; &gt; developers learn how to migrate PowerHouse applications to 
 &gt; &gt; new environments, &gt; &gt; use PowerHouse tools with relational databases, and develop 
 &gt; &gt; client-server &gt; 
 &gt; and Web-based applications with the PowerHouse tools. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Please visit the 
 HP-specific area of the Cognos web site regularly, at &gt; &gt; www.cognos.com/hp3000, to access the latest information on 
 &gt; &gt; Cognos' plans for &gt; &gt; product development, support programs, and new training 
 &gt; &gt; programs to assist &gt; &gt; our HP e3000 customers successfully research, evaluate, plan, 
 &gt; &gt; and carry out &gt; 
 &gt; a smooth migration of their PowerHouse applications from the HP 
 e3000 &gt; &gt; platform. &gt; 
 &gt; &gt; &gt; Remember. Don't panic! &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Best regards, 
 &gt; &gt; Conrad &gt; &gt; 
 &gt; &gt; Conrad Whittall &gt; 
 &gt; Marketing Manager, Application Development Tools &gt; &gt; Cognos Incorporated, 3755 Riverside Drive, Ottawa, Ontario, 
 &gt; &gt; K1G 4K9, Canada &gt; 
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 and/or confidential &gt; &gt; information.&nbsp; If 
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