PowerSaurus

Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:28:14 +1100

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I agree with Bob wholeheartedly.=20

My employer runs a number of systems with basically the same =
functionality,
which (due to historical reasons e.g. package buying, experimenting =
with new
technology etc...) use different languages, operating systems and data
storage utilities. We have a system using Cobol / Relational Database / =
IBM
host, Powerhouse / RMS / VMS, Powerbuilder / Sybase / NT among =
others... We
regularly receive a report showing IT expenditure in hours per system =
for
maintenance and enhancements based on function points. And what does =
this
show about relative costs using different tools?=20

The Powerhouse system costs are ORDER OF MAGNITUDE LESS than anything
else!!!  AND... this does not include the difference in relative dollar
costs per hour paid to Powerbuilder programmers, or additional costs =
for
database administrators (we do all our file changes ourselves)!!!=20

Sure, Powerhouse system does not look as sexy as Powerbuilder one, but =
it
provides all the functionality required by users to do their job, is a =
hell
of a lot more stable, requiring much less support and quickly/easily
enhanced (our team, although the smallest by far) is far ahead of other
teams in implementation of enhancements. The company's investment in
Powerhouse has paid for itself countless times over.

Bob, when are we going to get some demos for PH WEB in Australia? Are =
there
any plans for PH WEB on VMS? If so, when?

Regards,

Arthur Kogan
Westpac Financial Services
Sydney, Australia

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Deskin, Bob [SMTP:Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM]
> Sent:	Friday, 12 March 1999 1:38 AM
> To:	powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
> Subject:	RE: PowerSaurus
>=20
> Now I have to respond and will probably start a new "war". Let's not =
start
> the "PowerHouse is dead" thing again. PowerHouse is not on the way =
out. We
> can argue about the price and I'll agree that PowerHouse is more =
expensive
> than anything free. We can argue about how much Cognos charges for =
the
> product and for support. But the bottom line is productivity. How =
much is
> your time worth? Is there something as productive as PowerHouse for =
free?
> PowerHouse is still one of the most, if not the most, productive =
tools
> available for creating business systems on mid-range systems. If you =
want
> to
> re-write your systems in Java, go ahead. But please let us all know =
how
> much
> time it takes compared to the time it would have taken using =
PowerHouse.=20
>=20
> And don't tell me that PowerHouse can't evolve and change. I'm the =
Product
> Manager for PowerHouse Web and I know better. We did client/server =
and now
> we're doing the web. I've seen more jaws drop when I create a working =
web
> application screen and form with 4 lines of code (SCREEN, FILE, GEN,
> BUILD).
> Sure PowerHouse is old, but that doesn't mean it's not still great. =
Look
> at
> our symbol - the Concorde. 30 year old technology that's still world =
class
> -
> just like PowerHouse.
>=20
> And I never get off my PowerHouse soapbox.
>=20
> Now let's get back to solving problems.
>=20
> Bob Deskin             =20
> Senior Product Advisor, Application Development Tools, Cognos Inc.
> bob.deskin@cognos.com (613) 738-1338 ext 4205 FAX: (613) 228-3149
> 3755 Riverside Drive P.O. Box 9707 Stn. T, Ottawa ON K1G 4K9 CANADA
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mao@krifapost.dk [mailto:mao@krifapost.dk]
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 1999 9:19 AM
> To: powerh-l@lists.swau.edu
> Subject: MANUALS
>=20
>=20
> The only think I want to blame our friend who asked the QUIZ =
quistions
> is to start using Power House at all. We live in =B499 and everybody =
knows
> that Powersaurus  is on the way out like a lot of other giants these =
days.
> Today you can get loads of programming tools (ex. Java ) and other
> stuff (ex. Linux) for free or at least at very low expense. We need =
to
> face
> the fact that the world around us is changing, and we need to change
> as well. We have 1500 - 2000 programs (Cobol and PH) and we are
> starting all over again because we often ran into problems and =
limitations
> and spend a lot of time "workin=B4 around". We still need to run the =
stuff
> for at least 1 or 2 years but we want to follow whats going on in the =
real
> world.
>=20
> Mikael Olesen/Denmark
> (My opinion not my employers)
>=20
>=20
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