Cognos coversion from mainframe to P

[Jon Hawks]

In those immortal words from Danny Glover, "I'm
getting too old for this shit!" Thanks for the shot of
humor, that's always welcome.

--- "Ohmes, Matt" <Matt.Ohmes@COGNOS.com> wrote:
> Touch a nerve there Jon? ;-)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Hawks [mailto:hawksj@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 2:56 PM
> To: pickerij@norbord.com; whl3@nwths.com;
> POWERH-L@lists.swau.edu
> Subject: RE: Cognos coversion from mainframe to P
> 
> 
> I have to embrace any common sense that appears in
> the
> industry, wherever that may happen.
> 
> Just my crusty, old view: 
> The PC revolution has changed the workhorse Midi's
> production positive view, to now look like they are
> old and not-trendy.  Common sense has taken a
> vacation
> on data processing and new terms cause perceptions
> that influence us, as well as users, to believe
> something far greater and more intelligent is
> happening in the industry.  IBM had this mystique,
> long ago, when they had 70% of the market.  The 2-3%
> budget that ran companies for a while have doubled
> and
> tripled in costs, many unnecessarily.  Growth could
> have happened differently.  
> 
> Once, in the latter 80's and early 90's, we were on
> our way, as an industry, to rid ourselves of dba's. 
> We had all the tools we needed to do it ourselves. 
> Oracle has de-revolutionized the intelligent
> databases
> that were dba-free.  Once, we were headed to
> enormously, productive distributed processing
> enviroments.  Only to fall victim to analysts and
> designers, who just couldn't make good on their
> promises.  Meanwhile, when Microsoft was still at
> $14
> a share (1991), a small change was sweeping the
> country.  PC literate, spreadsheet mongering,
> foxbase
> intelligent, crystal report folks were convincing a
> lot of departments they could carry the load.  Hmmm.
> 
> I think we should find those folks and let them. 
> Meanwhile, a revolution started to occur with
> networks.  They actually got fast.  Now, we have
> something,right?  Now, with all these pc's tied
> together, and don't forget the mainframe, we have a
> network!  My goodness, a network.  Now, we really
> look
> smart.  I mean really, really smart!  Soon, we had
> everything from middleware to upperware, and soon
> I'll
> release my version of underware, and added the costs
> of system administrator's for nt, then one for ux,
> then one for networking, no, we need two, and a
> database guru or at least some guy or gal that is
> only
> half anal-retentive, and a couple of gui programmers
> and a document management guy and some guy to manage
> some of these guys and then we also need some person
> to handle more methodologies from prototype, to
> waterfall, to old structured, to object-oriented
> anal
> and prog,and also let's toss in some ER/win guys
> with
> composer's and excellerators, and couple of BPR
> folks
> and let's not forget some components folks to do
> enterprise development software, and let's change
> from
> open systems to tightly integrated systems based on
> ab-bab SAP so that not even the inventor of the
> database can understand what's going on, and let's
> add
> something call DSS, no BI, no EI, I'm sorry but I
> think these are now all wired for OLAP, based on
> ROLAP, but everyone knows them as Nancy. Rocky
> Raccoon, stepped into the saloon, only to find his
> rival.....brrrt, sorry, I forget where I was in this
> confusion.  By Golly, we're so smart, aren't we. 
> Let's quadrulple our costs, become politically bound
> up in battle, and accomplish little to nothing over
> the next few years and repeat the ninety's.  And
> while
> we are still breathing let's bash each other in the
> ego and show each other how smart we are.  Oh, yeah,
> and ask for more budget and resources, because, we
> know so much about business and how to run it and
> process data that we need to increase our staffs and
> get more machines, just because we're so smart.
> 
> 
> 
> --- pickerij@norbord.com wrote:
> > 
> > >My name is Walter Lucas, and I'm a mainframe
> Cognos
> > programmer
> > >working on a HP-3000 900 series using MPE.  My
> > office mate and I
> > >have been at this for 15 years now, but times are
> > a-changin'.
> > >
> > >What we are currently looking at is migrating our
> > homegrown applications   
> > 
> > >from the HP onto the NT platform.
> > <database indecision stuff snipped>
> > >Any help is greatly appreciated, even a pointer
> in
> > the right direction.
> > >Also, I'll gladly offer more information as
> > required.
> > 
> > You asked for a pointer in the right direction!
> > 
> > Why would you move away from one of the lowest
> cost
> > per transaction, most   
> > reliable, easiest to use and yet most open (i.e.
> > Posix compliant)   
> > hardware platforms in the industry with probably
> the
> > most robust,   
> > reliable, flexible database (and it's free with
> the
> > os) of all time in   
> > order to saddle yourself with MS and Oracle?
> > 
> > But then maybe you're just looking for a time and
> > money consuming   
> > adventure at which to throw lots of time and money
> > :-)
> > 
> > Five years ago folks thought your proposed
> migration
> > was the cool way to   
> > go. Time and money, not to mention the astounding
> > lack of success of many   
> > projects, has made those who waited look like the
> > smart ones.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > John "my bias is showing" Pickering
> > Toronto
> > 
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