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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Holy cow, I have to disagree with this.
Unless you have small files, an indexed read is much, much faster than reading
the entire file end to end.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Also, if you hire a contractor that doesn’t
take the 60 seconds to run a QSHOW on the files he’s using to see if indexes
are available, you are paying him too much, no matter how little it is. Fire
him (and hire me?). </span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Wingdings><span
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style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Herald.Kaffka@westfraser.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 24, 2013
1:45 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">powerh-l@lists.sowder.com</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: QTP reads every row
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:sans-serif'>Not much, as there is not a really a separate database
layer to push processing down into.</span></font> <br>
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<font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>As
I recall, on RMS/ISAM you can only choose things which are directly supported
by an index,</span></font> <br>
<font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>while
you can select on any expression you can think of.</span></font> <br>
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<font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>About
the only advantage of the choose over a select that I can think of was that it
would ensure that at least </span></font><br>
<font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>the
"core" of your access statement was walking an index. (but it
also meant that the individual programmer</span></font> <br>
<font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>had
to know both the data and index structure, running with just selects
"anything goes", inefficient paths are</span></font> <br>
<font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>very
possible, but the "new guy" or the contractor you brought in for the
special project needed much less</span></font> <br>
<font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>knowledge
of your system/data). Pay me now, pay me later, burn "People
time" front, or CPU time downstream.</span></font> <br>
<br>
<font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>You
can also mix choose/select on RMS/ISAM, again no real performance benefit, but
it does help delineate what</span></font> <br>
<font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>is
and is not index access...</span></font> <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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<font size=1 color="#5f5f5f" face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:7.5pt;
font-family:sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F'>From: </span></font><font
size=1 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:sans-serif'>Etienne
Rompre <erompre@koala-tech.com></span></font> <br>
<font size=1 color="#5f5f5f" face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:7.5pt;
font-family:sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F'>To: </span></font><font
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font-family:sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F'>Date: </span></font><font
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03:29 PM</span></font> <br>
<font size=1 color="#5f5f5f" face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:7.5pt;
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QTP reads every row instead of using index?</span></font> <br>
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<br>
Hi, <br>
<br>
What effect CHOOSE would have on a OPENVMS system on RMS files? <br>
<br>
Thanks! <br>
<br>
Etienne <br>
<br>
Le 2013-09-24 à 13:05, Arnold Chan a écrit : <br>
<br>
</span></font><font size=2 face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Thank you for the tip. I’ve updated my problem QTP
program to use both. It was taking 150 minutes. With the changes it now runs in
less than 8 minutes!</span></font> <br>
<font size=2 face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Comic Sans MS"'> </span></font> <br>
<font size=2 face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Comic Sans MS"'>As I always tell the young folks at work: OpenVMS and
Powerhouse just keep working.</span></font> <br>
<font size=2 face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Comic Sans MS"'> </span></font> <br>
<font size=2 face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Comic Sans MS"'>Cheers, <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Arnold</st1:place></st1:City></span></font>
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To:</span></b> Ken Langendock<b><span style='font-weight:bold'><br>
Cc:</span></b> Arnold Chan; 'powerh-l'; </span></font><a
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Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'> RE: QTP reads every row instead of using index?</span></font>
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<br>
<font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I
think of it as this way:</span></font> <br>
<font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><br>
Select = Tell the database to send me all rows, that I may throw away the ones
that I don't want.</span></font> <br>
<font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><br>
Choose = Tell the database to send me the rows that match the following the
criteria.</span></font> <br>
<font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><br>
You can mix the two, choose something simple and selective, and select on
something complex.</span></font> <font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><br>
Basic rule is that choose happens down in the database layer, while selects
happen in the Powerhouse layer.</span></font> <br>
<font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><br>
(running as much as possible in the database layer is usually more efficient).</span></font>
<br>
<font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><br>
So yes, choose where possible, and save the selects for more complex
expressions....</span></font> <br>
<br>
<br>
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From: </span></font><font size=1 face=Arial><span
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href="mailto:ken.langendock@rogers.com"><font size=1 face=Arial><span
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To: </span></font><font size=1 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial'>"'Arnold Chan'" <</span></font><a
href="mailto:Chan@camosun.bc.ca"><font size=1 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial'>Chan@camosun.bc.ca</span></font></a><font
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Date: </span></font>09/23/2013 06:19 PM</span></font>
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Subject: </span></font><font size=1 face=Arial><span
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When using an SQL database, stop using SELECT and CHOOSE everything.<br>
<br>
> RUN ECE_TEST<br>
> REQUEST ECE_TEST1<br>
> ACCESS CON8 IN IFAS_DB<br>
> SET LIST SQL<br>
> CHOOSE BCSAPFOS_ID "XDG1"<br>
> output con8 in ifas_db update<br>
> item bcsapfos_id = "XDG1"<br>
> GO<br>
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On<br>
Behalf Of <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Arnold</st1:place></st1:City>
Chan<br>
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:13 PM<br>
To: 'powerh-l'<br>
Subject: QTP reads every row instead of using index?<br>
<br>
Hello,<br>
<br>
We're running PH 8.40d with Oracle8i (really) on OpenVMS. We have a problem<br>
with QTP. It correctly applies the SELECT criteria but it does so by reading<br>
every row in the table instead of using the index. Unfortunately something I<br>
can't get SET LIST SQL to show anything either. Here is my test results are<br>
below. I have a index on the bcsapfos_id column but it insists on reading<br>
every row. Its not a problem in my test data with 643 rows but the<br>
production table is much larger.<br>
<br>
The index couldn't be more straightforward. I tried using a plain b-tree<br>
index too. It did not make a difference.<br>
CREATE BITMAP INDEX con8_idx2 ON con8 (bcsapfos_id);<br>
<br>
Any assistance would be *greatly* appreciated.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Arnold</st1:place></st1:City> Chan,<br>
Registrar's Office,<br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Camosun</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></st1:place><br>
<br>
<br>
> RUN ECE_TEST<br>
> REQUEST ECE_TEST1<br>
> ACCESS CON8 IN IFAS_DB<br>
> SET LIST SQL<br>
> SELECT CON8 IF (BCSAPFOS_ID = "XDG1")<br>
> output con8 in ifas_db update<br>
> item bcsapfos_id = "XDG1"<br>
> GO<br>
Executing request ECE_TEST1 ...<br>
Records read:<br>
CON8
643<br>
Transactions processed: 4<br>
Records processed: Added
Updated Unchanged Deleted<br>
CON8
0 0
4 0<br>
Finished.<br>
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