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<DIV><SPAN class=702300420-06062007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Now
the big question. I understand it's asynchronous. In fact, it would be a neat
tool to let you do a search from PH Web while continuing to do data entry. But
to be useful with existing QUICK applications, it needs to be serial. In other
words, when you enter data into a field and press enter (this is what you
do in QUICK), we need for the data to be transmitted and for the page to be
locked until control is returned by QUICK. Otherwise, we can't do field-by-field
processing.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=702300420-06062007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Of
course we also need for the QUICK process to wait for all the data rather than
process it request by request as in PH Web. But one thing at a
time.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=702300420-06062007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Bob</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Greig Morrison
[mailto:greig.morrison@sympatico.ca] <BR><B>Sent:</B> June 6, 2007 4:01
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Deskin, Bob; powerh-l@lists.sowder.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
HTML Generator<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=266280219-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Essentially yes, which is why I think it could work with
PowerHouse Web.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=266280219-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Ajax (Asynchronous JavaScript and XML) is based on web
standards: JavaScript, XML, HTML and CSS. The idea is to create faster, more
interactive web apps. Instead of reloading the entire page every time you
communicate with the server, AJAX uses the JavaScript XMLHttpRequest object to
exchange data with the web server.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=266280219-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=266280219-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>In addition to providing asynchronous data between the
browser and the web server, AJAX toolkits have all GUI toys on the client to
build web applications with many of features of a desktop application. All
this with a zero footprint.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=266280219-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Have a quick look at these demos:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=266280219-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>dojo Email <A
href="http://dojotoolkit.org/demos/email">http://dojotoolkit.org/demos/email</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=266280219-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>ZK Simply Ajax <A
href="http://www.zkoss.org/zkdemo/userguide/">http://www.zkoss.org/zkdemo/userguide/</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=266280219-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Thinwire <A
href="http://www.thinwire.com/?n=Explore.Explore">http://www.thinwire.com/?n=Explore.Explore</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=266280219-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Greig</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Deskin, Bob
[mailto:Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 06, 2007 2:00
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Greig Morrison; powerh-l@lists.sowder.com<BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE: HTML Generator<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=507135517-06062007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
looked briefly at AJAX (and will again). My initial impression was that it
allows asynchronous processing and uses the web server and CGI like any other
web page. Is this being too simplistic?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507135517-06062007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Is
it reasonable to expect good response from a field-by-field dialog through a
web server, even if it's an intranet?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507135517-06062007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Bob</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
powerh-l-bounces+bob.deskin=cognos.com@lists.sowder.com
[mailto:powerh-l-bounces+bob.deskin=cognos.com@lists.sowder.com] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Greig Morrison<BR><B>Sent:</B> June 6, 2007 12:44
PM<BR><B>To:</B> powerh-l@lists.sowder.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: HTML
Generator<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=837142216-06062007>I would like to
see the PowerHouse Web client support an Ajax framework, this uses the same
zero footprint architecture and provides a dynamic web page on the client
side. Anything useful on the web has move beyond simply html and now include
some form of script (JavaScript or ActionScript).</DIV>
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<DIV><A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajax_framework">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajax_framework</A></DIV>
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<DIV>There are plenty of examples, many are Open Source like:</DIV>
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<DIV>ZK Simply Ajax <A
href="http://www.zkoss.org/">http://www.zkoss.org/</A><BR>Thinwire <A
href="http://www.thinwire.com/">http://www.thinwire.com/</A></DIV>
<DIV><!--StartFragment -->Google Web Toolkit <A
href="http://code.google.com/p/google-web-toolkit/">http://code.google.com/p/google-web-toolkit/</A></DIV>
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<DIV>Regards<BR>Greig Morrison</DIV>
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<DIV>Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 09:19:20 -0400<BR>From: "Deskin, Bob" <<A
href="mailto:Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM">Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM</A>><BR>Subject:
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<DIV>Now that we have put the E version to bed (it's in manufacturing but
not quite available yet), we're busy planning the next release. We have lost
of ideas of course, and I'm not specifically soliciting any more. What I
would like to do is follow up on Ken's idea, which we share, of an HTML
generator. We already know that QDESIGN can generate HTML. And it's not
particularly difficult to add to that. I'm not trying to make it sound like
it's a 5 minute job, but we already know how to do it. It's simply a case of
designing the keyword and determining what HTML should be generated and
where.</DIV>
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<DIV>But I don't think people want PowerHouse Web with it's panel-oriented
stateless architecture that requires converting subscreen calls to
linkscreens and some other way of handling reports and runs. My take is that
people want is something that feels like QUICK (even down to the Action
field is desired) but looks like a web page. And that it runs over a local
network similar to a terminal emulator as opposed to the internet (although
that might be a possibility). So the first question is - is that a correct
assumption?</DIV>
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<DIV>If that is correct, then the next question is how do we do the
execution end of things in a reasonable period of time with limited
resources.<BR>Sure, it can be done. The browser engines are available as
controls or applets and we could build the entire infrastructure, but we
don't have a large team and 2 or more years. Rather we have 2 or 3 people
and 6 months (no, that's not the whole team but we do have other things to
do, and the 6 months is what I'm aiming for because I know these projects
take longer).</DIV>
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<DIV>So does anyone have any ideas on how to put this sort of thing
together?</DIV>
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<DIV>Are there web sites that describe it? Is it even reasonable considering
that a browser is typically block oriented whereas QUICK is field
oriented?</DIV>
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<DIV>Any thoughts? </DIV>
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<DIV><BR>Bob</DIV>
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<DIV>PS I removed the other portions of Ken's message because I won't get
into pricing policy in a public forum. Ken's 3rd point is somewhat dependant
on the success of the second. These days, you need to look good to be
noticed. However, whatever we do must be in keeping with our existing
architecture. QKView is a step in the right
direction.<BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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