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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Ok I think this is getting confusing.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>What Bob is referring to is a Browser version of
quick...Axiant would be compared to a Client server version, which is more like
what QKView is in my opinion.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Bob, you are correct, an INTRANET version is what
we need now more than anything. If you want to make an internet
product/module....use PHWEB, but keep the in-house stuff in the new
product.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>What I was getting at was Qdesign generating very robust
HTML syntax (on steroids if you will). </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>(Or better yet...remove the character based screen code
from QUICK all together and replace it with a browser interface on the Windows
version).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>That would mean:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>- Screen Activity statements would generate buttons for
Entry, Find, Change, Delete at the top of the screen.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>- Function key statements would generate buttons on the
bottom of the screen.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>- Select box statements would automatically put a dropdown
indicator beside a field.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>- Cluster statements would/could attach to a
control</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>- A new option to create an icon for Selection/Lookup
screens beside a field.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>- oh my, I am getting excited....woohoo</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B>
powerh-l-bounces+ken.langendock=rogers.com@lists.sowder.com
[mailto:powerh-l-bounces+ken.langendock=rogers.com@lists.sowder.com] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Joe Boyle<BR><B>Sent:</B> June 6, 2007 10:22 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
Deskin, Bob; powerh-l@lists.sowder.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: HTML
Generator<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>I think that users want the interface to
look and feel just like Windows rather than quick; I remember one chap calling
me to complain that he could'nt get Axiant to work the same way that VB did.
Younger people now do the data entry and they are all used to the style of
Windows. I found that they are always amused at how quick screens work, and were
always phased by the function of the action field.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Bob.Deskin@cognos.com href="mailto:Bob.Deskin@cognos.com">Deskin,
Bob</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=powerh-l@lists.sowder.com
href="mailto:powerh-l@lists.sowder.com">powerh-l@lists.sowder.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 06, 2007 2:19
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> HTML Generator</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=921210213-06062007>Now
that we have put the E version to bed (it's in manufacturing but not quite
available yet), we're busy planning the next release. We have lost of
ideas of course, and I'm not specifically soliciting any more. What I
would like to do is follow up on Ken's idea, which we share, of an HTML
generator. We already know that QDESIGN can generate HTML. And it's not
particularly difficult to add to that. I'm not trying to make it sound like
it's a 5 minute job, but we already know how to do it. It's simply a case of
designing the keyword and determining what HTML should be generated and
where.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=921210213-06062007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=921210213-06062007>But
I don't think people want PowerHouse Web with it's panel-oriented stateless
architecture that requires converting subscreen calls to linkscreens and some
other way of handling reports and runs. My take is that people want is
something that feels like QUICK (even down to the Action field is desired) but
looks like a web page. And that it runs over a local network similar to a
terminal emulator as opposed to the internet (although that might be a
possibility). So the first question is - is that a correct
assumption?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=921210213-06062007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=921210213-06062007>If
that is correct, then the next question is how do we do the execution end of
things in a reasonable period of time with limited resources. Sure, it can be
done. The browser engines are available as controls or applets and we could
build the entire infrastructure, but we don't have a large team and 2 or more
years. Rather we have 2 or 3 people and 6 months (no, that's not the whole
team but we do have other things to do, and the 6 months is what I'm aiming
for because I know these projects take longer).</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=921210213-06062007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=921210213-06062007>So
does anyone have any ideas on how to put this sort of thing together? Are
there web sites that describe it? Is it even reasonable considering that a
browser is typically block oriented whereas QUICK is field
oriented?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=921210213-06062007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=921210213-06062007>Any
thoughts? </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=921210213-06062007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=921210213-06062007>Bob</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=921210213-06062007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=921210213-06062007>PS I
removed the other portions of Ken's message because I won't get into pricing
policy in a public forum. Ken's 3rd point is somewhat dependant on the success
of the second. These days, you need to look good to be noticed. However,
whatever we do must be in keeping with our existing architecture. QKView is a
step in the right direction.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
powerh-l-bounces+bob.deskin=cognos.com@lists.sowder.com
[mailto:powerh-l-bounces+bob.deskin=cognos.com@lists.sowder.com] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Ken Langendock<BR><B>Sent:</B> June 5, 2007 6:29
PM<BR><B>To:</B> powerh-l@lists.sowder.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> FW: Is
Powerhouse expanding in India<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=884261022-05062007><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=921210213-06062007><< portions
removed by Bob Deskin >></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=884261022-05062007><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=921210213-06062007></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=884261022-05062007><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=921210213-06062007> </SPAN>b)
The most important thing would be
something NEW</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=884261022-05062007><SPAN class=775202822-05062007>Maybe </SPAN>Some
kind of "controllable/", HTML code generator from the
compiler, </SPAN><SPAN class=884261022-05062007>similar to how access
statements get generated into cursor statements. If we are not happy with
the way the automatic one works, we can create our own. </SPAN><SPAN
class=884261022-05062007>If we could create copy modules that would generate
the correct HTML syntax to make the, for example, screen headers work/look
as they do in Quick, this would cut a lot of code
down.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=884261022-05062007>Function key statements that create proper HTML
code, etc.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=884261022-05062007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=884261022-05062007>The list can go on and on, but the point is, we
need a way of converting our existing quick screens into fancy/schmancy html
screens automatically. I for one am not looking at converting 2000+ quick
screens into HTML without some "automatic" help.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=884261022-05062007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=884261022-05062007>Ken</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=884261022-05062007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=884261022-05062007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=884261022-05062007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Joe Boyle
[mailto:atla38@dsl.pipex.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> June 5, 2007 5:58
PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Ken Langendock';
powerh-l@lists.sowder.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Is Powerhouse expanding in
India<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><I><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> I
think PH is failing ( read dead) because PowerHouse is so expensive –
especially training – all of the MS .net related software can be downloaded
for free – I have MSSQLserver, C#, C++, VB and it did,nt cost me a penny.
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></I></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><I><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">When
I tried to purchase PH software (for NT platforms only), Cognos wouldn’t
sell it me as an individual ( and that, after I worked on the Cognos support
desk for 5 years) with 12 years of PH on VMS, MPE, Unix and Dos
collectively.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></I></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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