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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=281020216-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I'm not sure moving QKView to any other platform is such an
urgent issue.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=281020216-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=281020216-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>The world (in my opinion) is moving to a multi-tiered
approach anyways as hardware costs drop.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=281020216-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=281020216-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Even here at EnCore, the approach is looking more like
having and application server (windows) and a database server (Windows, Unix,
Linux). If that was the model other would be using, the more that was put
into the windows version for presentation would be the biggest bang for the
buck. By still having QUICK/QTP and QUIZ on the database means I can offload
some maintenance tasks from the application server.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=281020216-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=281020216-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=281020216-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Ken</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=281020216-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=281020216-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I still want something that puts a 4GL back in front of any
3GL for development.......my wish list......I know.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=281020216-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=281020216-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Anyone else using this model?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=281020216-06062007></SPAN> </DIV><BR>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Deskin, Bob [mailto:Bob.Deskin@Cognos.COM]
<BR><B>Sent:</B> June 6, 2007 11:58 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Ken Langendock;
powerh-l@lists.sowder.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: HTML
Generator<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=776414415-06062007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Take a
deep breath Ken :-)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=776414415-06062007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=776414415-06062007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>QKView
is like a simple terminal emulator. While we don't like the term screen scraper,
it's is similar. In other words, it traps QUICK's output that normally goes to
the Command Console in Windows, and puts out a somewhat prettier picture. User
input is sent to QUICK just like on a terminal. However, there are no individual
controls. We can make it look prettier with etched line drawing and colours.
Function keys work as well as any of the other QUICK UI features, but it is not
Windows and it is not a browser interface.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=776414415-06062007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=776414415-06062007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>We are
looking at extending this model (i.e. we're only thinking about it) to other
platforms and with etched fields. We may even add character-style radio buttons
and checkboxes a la DOS.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=776414415-06062007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=776414415-06062007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Because QKView works on top of QUICK, there's no change in internal
architecture. Nor is there a change in the underlying QDESIGN code other than
possibly whether you want your OS command calls to appear or
not.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=776414415-06062007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=776414415-06062007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Moving
to an HTML interface is different. I don't see the QDESIGN generation as a major
issue.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=776414415-06062007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=776414415-06062007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>What
I'm concerned about is how the execution engine would run. We won't be
re-writing QUICK. So a true Windows-like event-driven approach is a non-starter.
I have no problem with removing the Action field. You can already to that in
QUICK as long as you provide a way to get the actions in.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=776414415-06062007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=776414415-06062007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>But
QUICK operates on a pre-determined sequence. That's why Axiant became so complex
when field processing mode was introduced as opposed to panel mode. If you click
a field in Axiant, we have to generate the equivalent QUICK commands to get from
where the current focus is to where the clicked field is. We do not have the
resources to recreate that, nor do we want to. Moving from PowerHouse to Axiant
usually requires an application architecture change, just as moving to
PowerHouse Web does.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=776414415-06062007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=776414415-06062007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I want
something that lets you simply recompile your existing code with minimal or no
changes (possibly some global SET statements) and run it in the new
interface.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=776414415-06062007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=776414415-06062007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>So the
question again is, if I generate HTML, and I want to use QUICK much as it
already is, what do I use as the client?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=776414415-06062007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=776414415-06062007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Bob</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
powerh-l-bounces+bob.deskin=cognos.com@lists.sowder.com
[mailto:powerh-l-bounces+bob.deskin=cognos.com@lists.sowder.com] <B>On Behalf
Of </B>Ken Langendock<BR><B>Sent:</B> June 6, 2007 11:36 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
powerh-l@lists.sowder.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: HTML
Generator<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Ok I think this is getting confusing.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>What Bob is referring to is a Browser version of
quick...Axiant would be compared to a Client server version, which is more
like what QKView is in my opinion.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Bob, you are correct, an INTRANET version is
what we need now more than anything. If you want to make an internet
product/module....use PHWEB, but keep the in-house stuff in the new
product.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>What I was getting at was Qdesign generating very robust
HTML syntax (on steroids if you will). </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>(Or better yet...remove the character based screen code
from QUICK all together and replace it with a browser interface on the Windows
version).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>That would mean:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>- Screen Activity statements would generate buttons for
Entry, Find, Change, Delete at the top of the screen.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>- Function key statements would generate buttons on the
bottom of the screen.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>- Select box statements would automatically put a
dropdown indicator beside a field.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>- Cluster statements would/could attach to a
control</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>- A new option to create an icon for Selection/Lookup
screens beside a field.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>- oh my, I am getting
excited....woohoo</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765133214-06062007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B>
powerh-l-bounces+ken.langendock=rogers.com@lists.sowder.com
[mailto:powerh-l-bounces+ken.langendock=rogers.com@lists.sowder.com] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Joe Boyle<BR><B>Sent:</B> June 6, 2007 10:22 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
Deskin, Bob; powerh-l@lists.sowder.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: HTML
Generator<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>I think that users want the interface to
look and feel just like Windows rather than quick; I remember one chap calling
me to complain that he could'nt get Axiant to work the same way that VB did.
Younger people now do the data entry and they are all used to the style of
Windows. I found that they are always amused at how quick screens work, and
were always phased by the function of the action field.</FONT></DIV>
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style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Bob.Deskin@cognos.com href="mailto:Bob.Deskin@cognos.com">Deskin,
Bob</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=powerh-l@lists.sowder.com
href="mailto:powerh-l@lists.sowder.com">powerh-l@lists.sowder.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 06, 2007 2:19
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> HTML Generator</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=921210213-06062007>Now that we have put the E version to bed (it's in
manufacturing but not quite available yet), we're busy planning
the next release. We have lost of ideas of course, and I'm not
specifically soliciting any more. What I would like to do is follow up
on Ken's idea, which we share, of an HTML generator. We already know that
QDESIGN can generate HTML. And it's not particularly difficult to add to
that. I'm not trying to make it sound like it's a 5 minute job, but we
already know how to do it. It's simply a case of designing the keyword and
determining what HTML should be generated and where.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=921210213-06062007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=921210213-06062007>But I don't think people want PowerHouse Web with
it's panel-oriented stateless architecture that requires converting
subscreen calls to linkscreens and some other way of handling reports and
runs. My take is that people want is something that feels like QUICK (even
down to the Action field is desired) but looks like a web page. And that it
runs over a local network similar to a terminal emulator as opposed to the
internet (although that might be a possibility). So the first question is -
is that a correct assumption?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=921210213-06062007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=921210213-06062007>If
that is correct, then the next question is how do we do the execution end of
things in a reasonable period of time with limited resources. Sure, it can
be done. The browser engines are available as controls or applets and we
could build the entire infrastructure, but we don't have a large team and 2
or more years. Rather we have 2 or 3 people and 6 months (no, that's not the
whole team but we do have other things to do, and the 6 months is what I'm
aiming for because I know these projects take longer).</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=921210213-06062007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=921210213-06062007>So
does anyone have any ideas on how to put this sort of thing together? Are
there web sites that describe it? Is it even reasonable considering that a
browser is typically block oriented whereas QUICK is field
oriented?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=921210213-06062007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=921210213-06062007>Any thoughts? </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=921210213-06062007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=921210213-06062007>Bob</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=921210213-06062007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=921210213-06062007>PS
I removed the other portions of Ken's message because I won't get into
pricing policy in a public forum. Ken's 3rd point is somewhat dependant on
the success of the second. These days, you need to look good to be noticed.
However, whatever we do must be in keeping with our existing architecture.
QKView is a step in the right direction.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
powerh-l-bounces+bob.deskin=cognos.com@lists.sowder.com
[mailto:powerh-l-bounces+bob.deskin=cognos.com@lists.sowder.com] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Ken Langendock<BR><B>Sent:</B> June 5, 2007 6:29
PM<BR><B>To:</B> powerh-l@lists.sowder.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> FW: Is
Powerhouse expanding in India<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=884261022-05062007><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=921210213-06062007><<
portions removed by Bob Deskin
>></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=884261022-05062007><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=921210213-06062007></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=884261022-05062007><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=921210213-06062007> </SPAN>b)
The most important thing would be
something NEW</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=884261022-05062007><SPAN class=775202822-05062007>Maybe </SPAN>Some
kind of "controllable/", HTML code generator from the
compiler, </SPAN><SPAN class=884261022-05062007>similar to how access
statements get generated into cursor statements. If we are not happy with
the way the automatic one works, we can create our own. </SPAN><SPAN
class=884261022-05062007>If we could create copy modules that would
generate the correct HTML syntax to make the, for example, screen headers
work/look as they do in Quick, this would cut a lot of code
down.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=884261022-05062007>Function key statements that create proper HTML
code, etc.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=884261022-05062007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=884261022-05062007>The list can go on and on, but the point is, we
need a way of converting our existing quick screens into fancy/schmancy
html screens automatically. I for one am not looking at converting 2000+
quick screens into HTML without some "automatic" help.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=884261022-05062007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=884261022-05062007>Ken</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=884261022-05062007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=884261022-05062007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=884261022-05062007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Joe Boyle
[mailto:atla38@dsl.pipex.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> June 5, 2007 5:58
PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Ken Langendock';
powerh-l@lists.sowder.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Is Powerhouse expanding
in India<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><I><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> I
think PH is failing ( read dead) because PowerHouse is so expensive –
especially training – all of the MS .net related software can be
downloaded for free – I have MSSQLserver, C#, C++, VB and it did,nt cost
me a penny. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></I></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><I><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">When
I tried to purchase PH software (for NT platforms only), Cognos wouldn’t
sell it me as an individual ( and that, after I worked on the Cognos
support desk for 5 years) with 12 years of PH on VMS, MPE, Unix and Dos
collectively.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></I></P>
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